Israel/Hamas going at it

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cryption said:

Seems stupid not to take this opportunity to destroy Iran's nuclear program. I can't think of a better reason ... and the whole world would appreciate it


I'll be pretty shocked if they go after the nuclear sites. Everybody wants it but I just don't see it happening. At least as things stand now. There's no question our idiotic country will do everything it can to prevent it.
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I'd be surprised if Israel has the ability to really go after Iran's nuclear sites. That's probably not something they could do in one night imo
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GAC06 said:

I'd be surprised if Israel has the ability to really go after Iran's nuclear sites. That's probably not something they could do in one night imo
They knocked out one of the S300 systems that was guarding a nuclear site, pretty sure they can. Plus Israel has already shown they own the sky when the F35s are around.
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There are a lot of sites, and some hardened targets. It's a huge undertaking
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GAC06 said:

I'd be surprised if Israel has the ability to really go after Iran's nuclear sites. That's probably not something they could do in one night imo
If they were willing to drop 80+ bunker busters on one Hezbollah bunker, then yes, they have the tools necessary to go after Natanz. They could always just take out all of the entrances and make it a tomb for the scientists working inside.
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It's probably too late to go after most of the nuclear sites. They are hardened and many are underground. Standoff air launched missiles are not going to be able to do much damage to the significant portions of the nuclear program.

They would have to be directly overhead to drop bunker busting bombs. In general this is not feasible for Israel due to not having a stealth bomber and these nuclear facilities being so far away. The range of the F-15 that would be able to carry the smaller bunker busters is insufficient without multiple refuelings over non-allied territory, which would be difficult.
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Yep, I agree with all of that. Unless things really escalate to a dramatically higher level I don't see Israel even trying, and like you guys said, it might be a lot harder than people think anyway. Just my opinion but I think people need to scale back their expectations mightily in that area.
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Isn't their nuke stuff under a mountain somewhere? If so, then that would take an invasion.
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aTmAg said:

Isn't their nuke stuff under a mountain somewhere? If so, then that would take an invasion.


Drop a few of these. Even if doesn't destroy facility, may make it hard for them to reach facility again.


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Now those they would have a hard time delivering but you have the right idea, you don't have to destroy the target, just impair its usability for a long time.
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/03/middleeast/lebanon-hezbollah-nasrallah-ceasefire-assassination-intl-latam/index.html

So Lebanon claims that the Hezbollah General Secretary actually agreed with Israel on a cease fire BEFORE he was obliterated.

Yeah. It's amazing what dead men say.

Israel should double down and say "yes. Hezbollah agreed to a cease fire. They also said they officially recognize Israel and believe that the Palestinians should be relocated to Jordan and they denounced Hamas. They also ordered 24 bbq pulled pork sandwiches for lunch."
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Mathguy64 said:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/03/middleeast/lebanon-hezbollah-nasrallah-ceasefire-assassination-intl-latam/index.html

So Lebanon claims that the Hezbollah General Secretary actually agreed with Israel on a cease fire BEFORE he was obliterated.

Yeah. It's amazing what dead men say.

Israel should double down and say "yes. Hezbollah agreed to a cease fire. They also said they officially recognize Israel and believe that the Palestinians should be relocated to Jordan and they denounced Hamas. They also ordered 24 bbq pulled pork sandwiches for lunch."
Pretty sure every previous battle between the two started with Hezbollah breaking the previous cease fire and firing rockets into Israel. No reason to believe it means anything if they did agree to one. If they did, it was Israel's turn to break one anyway.
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Hez isn't even supposed to have a military wing per Lebanese law.

In 2006 the agreement was for them to stay away from Israeli border and they broke the deal. It was supposed to be monitored by a UN peacekeeping force and we know how well those tend to go.
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Yeah, pretty damn convenient they didn't say anything in the DAYS before he got blown up about this big ceasefire agreement...
AtticusMatlock
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He was the new lead guy. Less than a day on the job.
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Sooner or later they are going to run out of FNGs. More sooner than later.
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Joes said:

cryption said:

Seems stupid not to take this opportunity to destroy Iran's nuclear program. I can't think of a better reason ... and the whole world would appreciate it


I'll be pretty shocked if they go after the nuclear sites. Everybody wants it but I just don't see it happening. At least as things stand now. There's no question our idiotic country will do everything it can to prevent it.
Iran shot ballistic missiles at Israel's nuclear facilities this week.

They just made their own stuff fair game.
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GAC06 said:

I'd be surprised if Israel has the ability to really go after Iran's nuclear sites. That's probably not something they could do in one night imo

Israel dropped 87 bunker busters on Hezbollah's headquarters last weekend. They sequenced them every two seconds, basically creating a hammer drill effect to drill down to the bunker and wipe out the Hezzy leadership.

Why wouldn't anyone think that was a trial run for Iran's nuclear facilities?
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FTAG 2000 said:

GAC06 said:

I'd be surprised if Israel has the ability to really go after Iran's nuclear sites. That's probably not something they could do in one night imo

Israel dropped 87 bunker busters on Hezbollah's headquarters last weekend. They sequenced them every two seconds, basically creating a hammer drill effect to drill down to the bunker and wipe out the Hezzy leadership.

Why wouldn't anyone think that was a trial run for Iran's nuclear facilities?


Because Israel can operate over Lebanon with impunity. Not so much with Iran because of air defenses and range.
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Posted this earlier, maybe on the other thread, but the bunker busters they are using are not standoff weapons. There's no such thing as a standoff bunker buster unless you're talking about a nuke. You have to be directly over the target.

The closest Iranian nuclear base to the closest Israeli air base is roughly 1,300km. An F-15 carrying a heavy payload would have to be refueled on the way there and on the way back over Saudi or Iraqi territory.

Getting an F-15 over Iran and over a nuclear site is not only not feasible due to range but it is just asking for a shoot down.

If the US were to carry out this mission they would be using the larger 30,000 lb bunker busters which can only effectively be carried in that situation by the B-2.

Israel does have some standoff weaponry which will likely be the weaponry of choice, and I'm assuming they have a lot of assets inside Iran they can activate similar to how they took out the guy in the embassy. No telling how many bombs and other goodies they already have in place.
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Also it looks like they only have 7 707 tankers, which I doubt is enough to get the numbers it would take there and back, so it would have to be a multi day campaign, meaning a real war.
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AtticusMatlock said:

Posted this earlier, maybe on the other thread, but the bunker busters they are using are not standoff weapons. There's no such thing as a standoff bunker buster unless you're talking about a nuke. You have to be directly over the target.

The closest Iranian nuclear base to the closest Israeli air base is roughly 1,300km. An F-15 carrying a heavy payload would have to be refueled on the way there and on the way back over Saudi or Iraqi territory.

Getting an F-15 over Iran and over a nuclear site is not only not feasible due to range but it is just asking for a shoot down.

If the US were to carry out this mission they would be using the larger 30,000 lb bunker busters which can only effectively be carried in that situation by the B-2.

Israel does have some standoff weaponry which will likely be the weaponry of choice, and I'm assuming they have a lot of assets inside Iran they can activate similar to how they took out the guy in the embassy. No telling how many bombs and other goodies they already have in place.


An ICBM would do the trick, too.
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I predict the Israeli's will do something very creative and which we won't have predicted to next strike Iran and cause fear and trembling among the mullahs. That just seems to be how they roll.

I don't think the Russians really have any 'extra' satellites to monitor the Israeli's. Their total spy sat orbiting inventory is something like 5 or 6 I believe.


LOL:


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Natanz nuclear facility is rumored to be around 300 feet underground, much deeper than the tunnels in Lebanon. The standard US GBU-28 can go down around 160 feet and the GBU 72 can go through 160 feet of concrete and then deliver 5000 pounds. I think at this point the F15 is the only Israeli aircraft that is designed to carry the GBU 72 so all air defenses would have to be destroyed before it attempted this.

Natanz is pretty deep inside Iran and a one way trip from Israel through Syria to Natanz would be around 1100 miles. The F15 can do this but would need to be refueled on the way back. The F35 does not have the same range so it would need at least 2 refuels. Turkey, Iraq, and Jordan already said they won't allow aircraft from either country in their airspace so the refueling would have to be done over Syria, hence the reason Israel has been taken down air defenses of Syria, Iran, and Russia there.

The wildcard is what Israel's true submarine capabilities are, we know about their Dolphins but they are rumored to have nuclear powered though never confirmed. If some of those can get inside the gulf that would be a game changer
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That's where the geography favors Iran in terms of having to shove anything through the straight of Hormuz. Everything that passes through there including submarines are not all that difficult to spot.

Building, owning, operating a nuclear sub is not something that is generally done in secret. Very doubtful they have one without everyone else knowing about it.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13924269/Irans-supreme-leader-Ali-Khamenei-holds-rifle-sermon-rants-Israel-not-long-hails-October-7-massacre.html
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Iran's supreme leader held a rifle by his side as he addressed worshippers in Tehran in a rare public sermon, days after Iran's missile attack on Israel.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, 80, delivered his first sermon in nearly five years to faithful at the Imam Khomeini Grand Mosalla mosque in central Tehran today.

It comes three days before the one-year anniversary of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, triggered by the Iran-backed Palestinian group's October 7 attack

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Analysts said Iran's missile attack - its second-ever directly targeting Israel - was meant to counter a string of setbacks suffered by Tehran and its regional allies.

Iran has said this week's attack was carried out in 'self-defence' and warned of 'crushing attacks' on Israel if it retaliated.

After attacking Israel unannounced with some 200 missiles, Khamenei asserted that the US and 'some European countries' were responsible for instability in the region.
I hope Israel is able to blow this sob to hell.
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"Iranian oil tankers have fled Kharg Island ahead of a potential retaliation strike by Israel which has vowed vengeance for Tuesday's massive Iranian missile barrage. The island, handling 90% of Iran's oil exports, is thought to be at the very top the reprisal target list for Israel."

FLEEING

The Iranian people are reportedly deeply divided about the attack on Israel. Good, now how can Israel exploit that further?

ANGST
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13925879/U-S-bombs-Yemen-Airstrikes-launched-Iranian-backed-Houthi-targets.html
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The U.S. bombed more than a dozen Houthi targets in Yemen in a series of airstrikes on Iranian-backed Houthi rebels on Friday.

Military aircraft and warships struck the militant strongholds and their weapons systems in five locations days after American warships were attacked in the Red Sea.

The joint operation with the British military is a sign of serious escalation with the Middle East still waiting to see if Israel will retaliate against Iran for the rocket barrage earlier this week.
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Good. Time to stop these idiots.
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ProgN said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13925879/U-S-bombs-Yemen-Airstrikes-launched-Iranian-backed-Houthi-targets.html
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The U.S. bombed more than a dozen Houthi targets in Yemen in a series of airstrikes on Iranian-backed Houthi rebels on Friday.

Military aircraft and warships struck the militant strongholds and their weapons systems in five locations days after American warships were attacked in the Red Sea.

The joint operation with the British military is a sign of serious escalation with the Middle East still waiting to see if Israel will retaliate against Iran for the rocket barrage earlier this week.

How the Houthi's have not been obliterated given the **** they have pulled over the years is beyond me.
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Looking at FlightAware and airspace is cleared over Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. Also IRAN05 is the only flight in the area leaving Beirut
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