Israel/Hamas going at it

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GAC06 said:




The hold on this funding is entirely on the pro-Hamas White House.



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This war could have been over and done, with Hamas properly exterminated like the roaches they are, months ago were it not for the Biden Administration kissing terrorist ass.

Once 10/7 took place, it should have been hammer down from the git-go assisting Israel in getting Hamas done and dusted as quickly as possible. This appeasement has cost us in time, money and reputation.

Just like Afghanistan. Just like Ukraine. Just like Iran. Weakness is provocation. Weakness is costly. Weakness emboldens evil and gets people killed.

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notice how the only time Hamas actually wears uniforms is during a photo op-

and in real combat they switch to pajamas.
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As if this "order" to hide among civilians is something new and not SOP for these murderous cowards
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LMCane said:


Casually strolling across the rooftop to his death. Enjoy your 72 mules.
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Why Hamas must be demolished

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Id've brought down the whole building to make sure anyone close to him got taken out too, but that's just me.
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wow. I squinted at the video and was like "lets see if I can see the sho....OOOOOOH"
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LMCane said:


Burn in hell you SOB!
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Now we have once again hit peak insanity. An American woman invades a mosque near Gaza and claims she is a Muslim and she will wreak vengeance on the likely Jewish police officers defending the mosque:

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Faustus
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Some sparring going on between the IDF and Bibi as far as public expectations and what happens after the military operation is done:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/20/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas?source=nyt_sports

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The armed forces' chief spokesman goes public with frustration over Prime Minister Netanyahu's failure to advance a plan for governing postwar Gaza.

For months, reports had swirled about growing divisions between Israel's military and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over the direction of the war in Gaza. This week, that rift spilled into the open.

It began with unusually direct comments from the armed forces' chief spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, who in an apparent rebuttal to Mr. Netanyahu's repeated promises of "absolute victory" over Hamas, said: "The idea that it is possible to destroy Hamas, to make Hamas vanish that is throwing sand in the eyes of the public."

In an interview with Israel's Channel 13 that aired Wednesday evening, he added: "If we do not bring something else to Gaza, at the end of the day, we will get Hamas."

That prompted a swift rejoinder from Mr. Netanyahu's office, which said that the Israeli cabinet had set "the destruction of Hamas's military and governing capabilities" as one of the war's aims, and that the Israeli military was "of course committed to this."
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In the meantime, Palestinians in Gaza face rising anarchy. With no police to enforce law and order, armed gangs are attacking and stripping aid convoys. Public services like trash collection barely exist. Schools have been closed since the beginning of the war.

The security is so bad, particularly in southern Gaza, that thousands of tons of desperately needed humanitarian aid have been stranded on the Gaza side of the main Israeli border crossing even after Israeli forces paused daytime combat operations this week because aid groups say it is too dangerous to retrieve and deliver the goods.

Admiral Hagari's remarks reflected growing concern among Israeli military leaders that they might be handed responsibility for administering Gaza, said Amir Avivi, a retired Israeli brigadier general who chairs a hawkish forum of former security officials.

"That is the last thing they want," said General Avivi, who supports long-term Israeli control in the enclave.

Some of the military's top leaders, believing that the war's main aims had been achieved as much as possible, were eager to wind down the campaign in Gaza in order to turn their focus to rising tensions with Hezbollah, the Lebanese armed group, on the country's northern border, said General Avivi.

But there is little consensus on what should come after Hamas. U.S. officials say they want to install Hamas's rival, the Palestinian Authority, which administers some areas of the occupied West Bank. Mr. Netanyahu and his far-right allies have ruled out such a scenario.

The differences with the defense establishment have been simmering for months. Yoav Gallant, the Israeli defense minister, in January floated a postwar plan that called for Israel to maintain military control of Gaza's borders while a multinational group oversaw reconstruction and economic development. That proposal, widely seen as a trial balloon, did not gain traction.

Mr. Gallant, in a speech last month, said that Mr. Netanyahu's indecision was moving Israel inexorably toward two unappealing outcomes: either an Israeli military regime in Gaza or Hamas eventually returning to power.
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https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-806958
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office responded on Wednesday to IDF Spokesperson R.-Adm. Daniel Hagari's interview on Channel 13, in which he stated the destruction of Hamas was "throwing dust in the public's eyes."

"The Security Cabinet, chaired by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, has defined the destruction of Hamas's military and governing capabilities as one of the goals of the war," the PMO statement read.

"The IDF, of course, is committed to this," the statement added.


During the interview, Hagari stated, "Hamas is an idea. You can't destroy an idea. The political echelon needs to find an alternative - or it [Hamas] will remain."

Addressing "Operation Arnon," which saw the rescue of the four hostages, Noa Argamani, Shlomi Ziv, Almog Meir Jan, and Andrey Kozlov, from Gaza captivity, Hagari stated, "It is not possible to rescue all the hostages in military operations."
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The military affirmed, "In his words, the IDF Spokesperson referred to the destruction of Hamas as an ideology and an idea, and the words were said by him in a clear and explicit manner. Any other claim is taking things out of context."

Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi stated in response to the interview, "The words of the IDF Spokesperson this evening are only a sign of the lax commanding spirit of the Chief of Staff and the Defense Minister."

"We have superhero warriors and a security leadership that doesn't deserve them.

Instead of thinking that he is still Gantz's and Eisenkot's bureau chief and talking from their throats, the IDF spokesperson should concentrate on strengthening our fighters and that his commanders, Herzi and Gallant, strive for victory!"
Letting the PA administer Gaza seems like the best of a bunch of bad options to me since they would do a lot of the dirty work of continuing to root out Hamas for Israel. No love lost between those two.

But that appears to be a nonstarter for Bibi.
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LMCane said:

Now we have once again hit peak insanity. An American woman invades a mosque near Gaza and claims she is a Muslim and she will wreak vengeance on the likely Jewish police officers defending the mosque:



Is she dressed appropriately as a woman entering a mosque? The police may have been protecting her from a quick death by stoning
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Wonder what they used, small explosion and very precise. Looks like it is something a lot smaller than a hellfire
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Heckfire
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agent-maroon said:

LMCane said:

Now we have once again hit peak insanity. An American woman invades a mosque near Gaza and claims she is a Muslim and she will wreak vengeance on the likely Jewish police officers defending the mosque:



Is she dressed appropriately as a woman entering a mosque? The police may have been protecting her from a quick death by stoning
I was thinking same thing. This is a stunt.
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Letting the PA administer Gaza seems like the best of a bunch of bad options to me since they would do a lot of the dirty work of continuing to root out Hamas for Israel. No love lost between those two.

But that appears to be a nonstarter for Bibi.


Well, the PLA has a public policy of paying Palestinians to murder Jews so I can understand his hesitancy.

Both groups are terrorist scum and should be eliminated.

I think the proposal that got no traction that called for an international group to manage Gaza while Israel controlled the border is probably the least worst, most realistic idea.

But it would be ready, fire, aim from a ROE if I'm Israel running that border. And that would be made very public.

Ideally, you just relocate all of them to one of their allied countries which is apparently now defined as genocide? So I guess that makes me evil. Unfortunate.

LMCane
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Israel kills a big fish in Hamas- getting closer to the top of the entire leadership chain.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

Id've brought down the whole building to make sure anyone close to him got taken out too, but that's just me.
Agree with you. Blow the whole SOB up, level it, kill everything inside it. No matter who it is. Have to make an example of muslim terrorists as well as those who allow muslim terrorists to exist in their midst.
LMCane
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it's not just the funding, it's the export approval process which democrats in the Administration are definitely blocking
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Just another reminder how complicated Lebanon is.
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Hamas to relocate to Baghdad?



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Hamas plans to leave Qatar for Iraq, as pressure from Doha and the US mounts on the group's political leaders to show greater flexibility in talks for a Gaza ceasefire.
The Iraqi government approved the move last month, sources told The National on Monday.
Iran will be responsible for protecting Hamas's leaders, offices and personnel in Baghdad, the sources added.
The move was discussed last month by Hamas's political leader Ismail Haniyeh and representatives of the Iraqi and Iranian governments. Those talks were confirmed by a senior Iraqi MP and the leader of a political party with close ties to an Iran-backed armed group.
The potential move was also reviewed separately last month by Mr Haniyeh and Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammed Shia Al Sudani, who spoke by telephone, the senior Iraqi MP said.
"There is no consensus among Iraqi political groups on Hamas's move to Baghdad," the senior Iraqi MP told The National. "Some, especially the Kurds and some Sunnis, fear it will deepen differences with the United States. But despite the lack of consensus, the government's decision to host Hamas will not be reversed."
The Iraqi MP and the political leader said Baghdad has welcomed the idea of Hamas maintaining a high-profile presence in Iraq.
I believe it will be easier for the IDF/Mossad folks to target them in Baghdad, politically. It's still a very violent/huge city.
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Yes, Tehran makes much more sense, especially if Iran is doing the protecting as implied by what you posted.
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BQ78 said:

Yes, Tehran makes much more sense, especially if Iran is doing the protecting as implied by what you posted.
According to Google Sunnis make up about 40% of Iraq compared to 12% of Iran, and Iraq is 75-80% Arabic (with most of the rest Kurds), while Iran is 2-3% Arabic.

Sure Iran is helping to fund Hamas (as does Qatar, private organizations in Turkey, etc.), but the terrorist organization would probably feel more at home in Iraq.
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Faustus said:

BQ78 said:

Yes, Tehran makes much more sense, especially if Iran is doing the protecting as implied by what you posted.
According to Google Sunnis make up about 40% of Iraq compared to 12% of Iran, and Iraq is 75-80% Arabic (with most of the rest Kurds), while Iran is 2-3% Arabic.

Sure Iran is helping to fund Hamas (as does Qatar, private organizations in Turkey, etc.), but the terrorist organization would probably feel more at home in Iraq.
will definitely be easier to destroy Hamas leadership in Iraq than in Qatar

most Americans don't even know that

Al Udeid Air Force Base is a major installation for USAF in Qatar.

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I get that too but if I am responsible for security, I want a secure environment, Iraq is not that.
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Fair enough.

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LMCane said:


No wonder the UN & UNRWA didn't want them going into Rafa.
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A lot less news coming out of Israel now, anyone have any updates?
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P.U.T.U said:

A lot less news coming out of Israel now, anyone have any updates?
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