nortex97 said:

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I don't disagree, just not sure how feasible it is to establish some sort of cordoned off strip right at the border to flush them out/north.

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this is the nub of the problem as the Egyptians and their awesome border wall do not want to see hordes of Palestinians trying to get into Egypt

which is why it would be a huge mistake to keep attacking from Khan Yunis down south into Rafah- that simply pushes the palestinians up against the border

that's why I hope someone has enough strategic savvy to attack ALONG the border north and south (landing troops from the Med and coming north from Israeli territory)

and push everyone north AWAY from the Egyptian border.

nortex97 said:

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!!

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 26, 2024

Good. Now make it permanent. And arrest every single employee/staffer/contractor who participated.

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It doesn't surprise me. The Venn diagram of "advocates for Palestinian refugees" and "people who hate Jews" is pretty much a circle. Maybe the UNRWA as an institution wasn't involved in the attack, but their hiring pool consists largely of people who would.

BillYeoman said:

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nortex97 said:

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!!

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 26, 2024

Good. Now make it permanent. And arrest every single employee/staffer/contractor who participated.

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If they participated they should be hunted and killed.

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Pretty sure Mossad is on that!

LMCane said:

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The IDF found a Hamas document in Gaza in which it was ordered to treat the entire Israeli society as a legitimate target.

“everyone in israel are settlers, and there is no difference between men, women, elderly, and children - all are legitimate targets”pic.twitter.com/Wyb63MCKFR

— Adam Albilya - אדם אלביליה (@AdamAlbilya) January 25, 2024

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That sure sounds more like genocide than what SA was bringing up in the World Court...

[Stop the derails with the conspiracy theories. This thread is for updates to the ongoing Israel/Hamas conflict -- Staff]

Hey - any chance you're willing to connect off here? Have a few questions about your experiences in Israel.

[Stop derailing the thread. Any more will result in bans. There's your warning -- Staff]

IDF combat soldiers in Gaza once again abuse their power by helping an old Arab man.

This is what genocide looks like people! pic.twitter.com/HIwq9KTY5h

— Documenting Israel (@DocumentIsrael) February 1, 2024

Brilliant! https://t.co/ifCsdxWem2

— The Mossad: Satirical, Yet Awesome (@TheMossadIL) January 31, 2024

Sisters Dafna and Ela were kidnapped at ages 8 and 15 to Gaza on October 7 after Palestinian terrorists broke into their home, shot their dad in the leg, and killed their older brother.

The sisters were kept in two homes, then a school, and then in a tunnel.

They were held… pic.twitter.com/qm80GucUpH

— Marina Medvin 🇺🇸 (@MarinaMedvin) February 1, 2024

CNBC just said there's a rumor circulating on the floor of a possible ceasefire in the ME. Oil dropping and markets jumping so could be true.

I'll add link if they put up an article about it.

ProgN said:

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CNBC just said there's a rumor circulating on the floor of a possible ceasefire in the ME. Oil dropping and markets jumping so could be true.

I'll add link if they put up an article about it.

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Maybe after we hit empty Iranian bases since the Iranians have had days to leave

BBC reporting a proPalestinian kidnapper is holding employees hostage at a Proctor and Gamble plant in Turkey.

Pretty good chance that's the mental calculus Israel is using here.

MJ20/20 said:

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There was no intelligence failure. October 7 was the equivalent of letting someone hit you in the mouth so you can beat the **** outta them.

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So the second "date which will live in infamy"

12.07.1941 and 10.07.2023

Might as well add 08.02.1964 as well.

ProgN said:

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I say do it and then unleash Mossad on them wherever they go until every last one of them burn, but after all remaining hostages alive and deceased are returned to Israel.

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Yeah, if the Israelis let him go he had better grow a pair of eyeballs in the back of his head and enroll in the best witness protection program he can find. Heck, the Biden administration may bring him to the US and hide him over here somewhere. If I was an insurance agent I wouldn't sell him any life insurance because the odds of him living to a ripe old age aren't very good.

HunterAggie said:

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MJ20/20 said:

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There was no intelligence failure. October 7 was the equivalent of letting someone hit you in the mouth so you can beat the **** outta them.

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So the second "date which will live in infamy"

12.07.1941 and 10.07.2023

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People act like the war in 1973 never happened, that was a large intelligence failure, even larger I would argue.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/02/09/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news

Heading into the Southern tip of Gaza at the crossing with Egypt.

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Netanyahu Orders Military to Make Plans to Evacuate Civilians in Rafah
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has ordered the Israeli military to come up with a plan for civilians sheltering in the southern city of Rafah to evacuate, his office said on Friday, clearing the way for an expected offensive into the crowded city.
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In recent weeks, roughly 1.4 million Palestinians have squeezed into Rafah one of the last areas of the Gaza Strip in which Israeli ground troops have yet to deploy in force.
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But it is not clear where those people could go. Many of them have fled from towns and cities farther north in the enclave, devastated by war, where fighting continues and basic supplies are critically short, and Israel has said they cannot yet return. Egypt has sealed the border and Cairo so far has shown no inclination to let large numbers of Palestinian refugees cross, in part because of fears they will never be allowed to return.
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In a statement, the Israeli prime minister's office said that it could not realize Israel's aim of eliminating Hamas's rule in Gaza while leaving intact what it said were battalions of the group's fighters in Rafah.

The military's "combined plan" would have to both "evacuate the civilian population and topple the brigades," it added.

Israeli leaders have made clear in recent days that they intend to extend the invasion of Gaza into Rafah, on the border with Egypt. On Wednesday, Mr. Netanyahu said the Israeli security establishment was preparing to operate in the densely crowded area.

"Our soldiers are now in Khan Younis, Hamas's main stronghold." his office later wrote on social media. "They'll soon go into Rafah, Hamas's last bastion."

The Palestinian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, based in the occupied West Bank, demanded that Israel's allies put pressure on its government not to send troops into Rafah.
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Good luck with that last bit PMFA.

Once the operation in Rafah finishes up, I'll be curious if Israel maintains a permanent presence in Gaza, or if they'll repair to the (now) much more heavily guarded border. Absent being there in considerable force it's hard to imagine the IDF would want to maintain what amounts to targets at checkpoints as in the West Bank (especially in the urban centers), but there are political considerations as well.

Faustus said:

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/02/09/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news

Heading into the Southern tip of Gaza at the crossing with Egypt.

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Netanyahu Orders Military to Make Plans to Evacuate Civilians in Rafah
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has ordered the Israeli military to come up with a plan for civilians sheltering in the southern city of Rafah to evacuate, his office said on Friday, clearing the way for an expected offensive into the crowded city.
. . .
In recent weeks, roughly 1.4 million Palestinians have squeezed into Rafah one of the last areas of the Gaza Strip in which Israeli ground troops have yet to deploy in force.
. . .
But it is not clear where those people could go. Many of them have fled from towns and cities farther north in the enclave, devastated by war, where fighting continues and basic supplies are critically short, and Israel has said they cannot yet return. Egypt has sealed the border and Cairo so far has shown no inclination to let large numbers of Palestinian refugees cross, in part because of fears they will never be allowed to return.
. . .
In a statement, the Israeli prime minister's office said that it could not realize Israel's aim of eliminating Hamas's rule in Gaza while leaving intact what it said were battalions of the group's fighters in Rafah.

The military's "combined plan" would have to both "evacuate the civilian population and topple the brigades," it added.

Israeli leaders have made clear in recent days that they intend to extend the invasion of Gaza into Rafah, on the border with Egypt. On Wednesday, Mr. Netanyahu said the Israeli security establishment was preparing to operate in the densely crowded area.

"Our soldiers are now in Khan Younis, Hamas's main stronghold." his office later wrote on social media. "They'll soon go into Rafah, Hamas's last bastion."

The Palestinian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, based in the occupied West Bank, demanded that Israel's allies put pressure on its government not to send troops into Rafah.
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Good luck with that last bit PMFA.

Once the operation in Rafah finishes up, I'll be curious if Israel maintains a permanent presence in Gaza, or if they'll repair to the (now) much more heavily guarded border. Absent being there in considerable force it's hard to imagine the IDF would want to maintain what amounts to targets at checkpoints as in the West Bank (especially in the urban centers), but there are political considerations as well.

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I think they will seek to retain control of the border crossing with Egypt. They have already telegraphed a desire to have a non-sectarian government rule Gaza and try to deprogram their schools from teaching hatred of Israel. Not sure who or how that will take place without heavy Saudi or Jordanian influence, because the UN is infested from top to bottom with anti-semites and has shown to not be a viable partner in administering the Palestinian areas.

I could see that, although Israel already has the Kerem Shalom military base (in Israel) about two miles from the Rafah crossing wherein it monitors the crossing in relative safety.



https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-gazas-rafah-border-crossing-matters-why-egypt-is-keeping-it-shut-2023-10-17/

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Although Israel does not directly control the Rafah crossing, it monitors all activity in southern Gaza from Kerem Shalom military base, and other surveillance.
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Hearing that our administration is considering 45 days to try and impose a two state solution by unilaterally recognizing a Palestinian state BEFORE any borders and other negotiations.

After all that happened on Oct 7…..just unbelievable….