Israel/Hamas going at it

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the difference between the two sides:

Hamas invaded Israeli towns and murdered or kidnapped every baby they could find.

When the IDF comes across a Palestinian child, they wrap her wounds and give her water and ensure she is taken by the Red Cross.

4 Year old Arab girl falls asleep in IDF position
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LMCane said:

Hamas terrorists not so tough - when they can't surprise women and children in their homes:


Try them with war crimes. Sentence appropriately.
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UTExan said:

Red Cross Reprimands Families of Israeli Hostages:
""Families of Israelis being held hostage by Hamas were reprimanded by representatives of the Red Cross in a meeting earlier this week, with the Red Cross telling one family they need to "think about the Palestinian side," KAN reported on Thursday night.

Roni and Simona, the parents of Doron Steinbrecher who was kidnapped by Hamas terrorists from Kfar Azza on October 7, were invited to a meeting with the Red Cross earlier this week."

"The Red Cross has sparked outrage in Israel with how it has handled the mass kidnapping and massacre conducted by Hamas on October 7, with some Israelis saying that the international organization operated as nothing more than a taxi service for when the hostages were released.

The family of Elma Avraham, an 84-year-old woman who was released during the ceasefire, told Israeli media that the Red Cross had refused to bring Avraham the medicine she needed. Immediately after Avraham was released, she was rushed to the hospital in critical condition. Since then, her condition has improved."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/red-cross-reprimanded-hostage-families-think-about-the-palestinians/ar-AA1lc10X?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=c26cd96c059b447c8a700530273446c5&ei=14

Yet another international "aid organization" failing in its duties. How much US taxpayers money does it get?
Not another dime to the Red Cross.
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richardag said:

LMCane said:

Hamas terrorists not so tough - when they can't surprise women and children in their homes:


Try them with war crimes. Sentence appropriately.
Why? Better to turn off the cameras and put a bullet in each one. They will just do it again.
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Why waste bullets, when a hammer would be perfectly fine for the job?
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So save your bullets. Just use the grenades they were lugging around when they were captured. Saves having to dispose of unwanted ordinance while still accomplishing something useful.
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Houthis hit a Norway flagged tanker with a missile apparently. Luckily no casualties apparently.
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A letter that a fallen IDF Sgt Maj Zussman left to be opened in case he fell battling Hamas


"If you're reading this, something must have happened to me…I'm grateful for the privilege of protecting our beautiful country and the people of Israel.

If something happens to me, I don't allow you to sink into sadness. I had the privilege of fulfilling my destiny and you can be sure that I am looking down on you with a huge smile.

If God forbid you sit shiva, make it a week full of friends, family and fun. Bring food, meat, beers, sweets, tea and, of course, my mother's cookies. Joke around and tell stories. I'll be jealous of you all! I would have liked to join.

I left my house without being called to join the reserves. I am full of pride and a sense of purpose. I have always said that if I must die, I want it to be for the defense of others and for my country."
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ISRAEL has deployed a battalion of their best, strongest and most professional female fighters to carry out a "special activity" in Gaza. 29-year-old Major Shira, the commander of this elite all-female team, described their actions in the Gaza Strip as "another glass ceiling shattered".

Israel's female soldiers have already been working on the frontline. The IDF says around 18 per cent of its soldiers are women.She told Israeli media that she received instructions from the commander of the mixed battalion dubbed the Cheetah Battalion to create an all-women team. Although Major Shira was unable to reveal much information about their activity, she said that their specialist team was helping with the continuation of fighting and military intelligence.

She said: "We are fighters alongside men and in cooperation with special units. "This is a high point, another glass ceiling that has been shattered." Major Shira added that this is an exciting point in time for her, and her team, both as commanders in the IDF and as women. She said: "We have been through hundreds of violent smuggling, and shooting is not a foreign thing to us, and still, entering Gaza is different.

"What's more, we have a responsibility. A petition to return all female fighters home. I am very proud of them, they simply give their souls." Captain Panina, 26, was a former police officer who has also been given a significant role, as part of this task force. Much like Major Shira, she believes that the successes of their battalion is paving the way for future female fighters in the IDF.

She said: "When the fighting started, we did things that had never been seen before in the battalion. "We arrived from the Egyptian sector to Gaza, which is an area of more than 200 km. "It's crazy. A large force of the battalion arrived at Holit to help, evacuate the wounded and fight. "At the beginning we captured a line of defense in the envelope, this has not happened before."

Captain Panina added: "This is one of the most frightening, exciting and significant events. In the end when you enter it is a battlefield. "You see, hear and smell everything. October 7 was a turning point, everything we have experienced since then is complex. The feelings are mixed, there is no one in the country who has not lost someone or been injured." She went on to speak about the "crazy motivation" female combatants are currently experiencing, and suggested that the war has changed her societies attitudes to female fighters.

Captain Panina said: "It seems that the discussions and controversies that have been heard on the subject until today are similar to the facts on the ground.

"The reactions are exciting and moving, there is a lot of interest."

While Major Shira said: "There were always raised eyebrows, and now a little less."We see that the attitude is changing, we pass through the settlements and see the citizens' perspective. "We receive a lot of feedback about the professionalism, and our truth is that it feels natural, especially in the field. "We breathe the mission and the operationality."

Although women were allowed to join the IDF as combat soldiers in 1948, following the end of the War of Independence, women were banned from holding such positions.

This stance lasted until the late 1990s when women were permitted to join infantry units and the artillery corps.

In the early to mid 200s, more positions were opened to them such as the military police, combat engineering corps, and other units although they still faced a lot of resistance.

Now, attitudes have been changing as Israel turn its attention to the annihilation of Hamas. This is especially the case after one all-female defence squad were able to liberate a kibbutz early in the fighting against Hamas.

As Lt-Col Ben-Yehuda and her 12-women squad zoned in on a Hamas base in the southern Israel kibbutz of Sufa while 50 heavily-armed terrorists charged towards them.

At the time it was reported that the commander came face-to-face with a male terrorist and shot him at close range. She instead directed her attack fire at the terrorists who were out in the open and scattered around the base. It took 14 hours for them to secure the base. Lt-Col Ben-Yehuda said the result was proof there "are no more doubts about female combat soldiers".

She praised her soldiers' "significant contributions" to winning the battle and killing about 100 terrorists, as well as saving the lives of the wounded by carrying out helicopter evacuations while under fire. She said: "The training and performance [of the female combat units] on the battlefield have erased any doubts [about their ability].

"They fought bravely, saved lives, and emerged as heroes." Cheetah Battalion
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LMCane said:


after the grenade there was blood on the floor when he looks down and blood on the wall when he moves his left hand. I feel confident he's shot in the exchange with the 2nd guy.

According to Reddit he's out of surgery and will survive his wounds.
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I'll give you three guesses and any guess that isn't Iran doesn't count.

ETA: rumor is that Harvard has offered them faculty positions.
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txags92 said:



I'll give you three guesses and any guess that isn't Iran doesn't count.

ETA: rumor is that Harvard has offered them faculty positions.
Qatar plays an interesting part in Middle East politics, they serve as "mediators" to all the country's good or bad, the US backs this because it serves as a place for all sides to meet and work out issues. I read where the US, Israel and other Israel backers were putting pressure on Qatar to stop hosting the Hamas leaders, which I guess finally happened.. I would think their leaders will now end up in Iran? Blinken was recently quoted as saying, we can no longer deal with Hamas (insinuating they need to go).. anyway, I don't think Qatar is as bad as some may think, they simply want to act as mediation for any conflicts in the Middle East. The Hamas leaders are dead men walking if they show up in almost any non Iran backed countries
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Swiss Parliament lower house just voted to end support for UNRWA in Gaza.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/swiss-parliament-moves-to-cut-ties-with-unrwa/ar-AA1lpwXs?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6e35ac435a394fabb63fba3118974156&ei=11

Puma, a German company decided to end sponsorship of Israeli Olympic team.
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fullback44 said:

txags92 said:



I'll give you three guesses and any guess that isn't Iran doesn't count.

ETA: rumor is that Harvard has offered them faculty positions.
Qatar plays an interesting part in Middle East politics, they serve as "mediators" to all the country's good or bad, the US backs this because it serves as a place for all sides to meet and work out issues. I read where the US, Israel and other Israel backers were putting pressure on Qatar to stop hosting the Hamas leaders, which I guess finally happened.. I would think their leaders will now end up in Iran? Blinken was recently quoted as saying, we can no longer deal with Hamas (insinuating they need to go).. anyway, I don't think Qatar is as bad as some may think, they simply want to act as mediation for any conflicts in the Middle East. The Hamas leaders are dead men walking if they show up in almost any non Iran backed countries
It is one thing to act as a mediator in the middle of a conflict rich region. It is another to host and shelter the leaders of a group that committed extremely well documented war crimes for which the leaders have offered no apologies or regrets. I am sure the Israelis have let the Qatar leaders know that Mossad was coming for the Hamas leaders and nothing Qatar did would be able to protect them.
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UTExan said:

Swiss Parliament lower house just voted to end support for UNRWA in Gaza.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/swiss-parliament-moves-to-cut-ties-with-unrwa/ar-AA1lpwXs?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6e35ac435a394fabb63fba3118974156&ei=11

Puma, a German company decided to end sponsorship of Israeli Olympic team.
Saw it said elsewhere that Puma (a German company) was trying to party like it was 1939.
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I agree … Mossad was about to make bbq out of their leaders I suspect ..
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fullback44 said:

I agree … Mossad was about to make bbq out of their leaders I suspect ..


Hiding in Iran doesn't guarantee their safety either.
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Heard something interesting. It came from an Israeli. Bedouin tribes are poised to exact revenge on Hamas. They were attacked by Hamas at the same time as Israelis were attacked. They are happy so long as Israel keeps going after Hamas. If Israel stops, they are chomping at the bit to kill Hamas.
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Why would hamas attack Bedouins? Are they the wrong kind of Muslim for hamas or something?

Not that this is a bad thing at all. Make no mistake about that.
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agent-maroon said:

Why would hamas attack Bedouins? Are they the wrong kind of Muslim for hamas or something?

Not that this is a bad thing at all. Make no mistake about that.
because they view any Arab that lives within Israel as a traitor.

why do Syrian Arabs butcher other Syrian Arabs?
Why do iraqi arabs butcher other iraqi arabs?

if you aren't on "Team Hamas" you are a target for them.
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it will be much easier for Mossad to kill Hamas leaders in Russia and Venezuela than in Iran

Russia can't even keep out Ukrainian entire regiments of armored forces crossing their border.

Venezuela sees massive amounts of population transfer every day across their porous borders.

Hamas would be safest in Qatar, a very small country with easily defended borders and politically sensitive.

so it is an amazing development that the terrorists are being kicked out now.
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*if it is true, then yes.

I don't know if it is or not. And I have seen rumors of African/asian/South American countries, sure. These are fabulously wealthy people at the top, but it starts to degrade quickly. There aren't many places in Venezuela/South Africa etc. these ****s are going to try to hide in, it's not like they are used to living on the lam a la bin Laden.

This is a fascinating time to see how mossad handles going after/eliminating these folks on the run, if again this is true.

I'd argue it's not just the top 3 or 10 that matter, but the top 500 or 1,000 or so. And al-Thani needs to be feeling some pressure personally (Qatar). He's definitely not used to being concerned for his/his family's safety.
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nortex97 said:

*if it is true, then yes.

I don't know if it is or not. And I have seen rumors of African/asian/South American countries, sure. These are fabulously wealthy people at the top, but it starts to degrade quickly. There aren't many places in Venezuela/South Africa etc. these ****s are going to try to hide in, it's not like they are used to living on the lam a la bin Laden.

This is a fascinating time to see how mossad handles going after/eliminating these folks on the run, if again this is true.

I'd argue it's not just the top 3 or 10 that matter, but the top 500 or 1,000 or so. And al-Thani needs to be feeling some pressure personally (Qatar). He's definitely not used to being concerned for his/his family's safety.

100% correct

if anything- it's more important now to eliminate numbers 150-50 than the top 5.

decimate the Hamas mid level propagandists and money men all over the world.
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JFABNRGR said:

fullback44 said:

I agree … Mossad was about to make bbq out of their leaders I suspect ..


Hiding in Iran doesn't guarantee their safety either.
It will be very very interesting to see what happens to these 2 Hamas leaders.. I agree with you, their days may be numbered no matter where they are.. they better find a worm hole like Sadam did and hope no one finds them
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How much influence does France still have in Algeria?
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