Israel/Hamas going at it

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First time any Jew has celebrated Hannukah in the Gaza Strip since 2005

but occupation!

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Red Cross Reprimands Families of Israeli Hostages:
""Families of Israelis being held hostage by Hamas were reprimanded by representatives of the Red Cross in a meeting earlier this week, with the Red Cross telling one family they need to "think about the Palestinian side," KAN reported on Thursday night.

Roni and Simona, the parents of Doron Steinbrecher who was kidnapped by Hamas terrorists from Kfar Azza on October 7, were invited to a meeting with the Red Cross earlier this week."

"The Red Cross has sparked outrage in Israel with how it has handled the mass kidnapping and massacre conducted by Hamas on October 7, with some Israelis saying that the international organization operated as nothing more than a taxi service for when the hostages were released.

The family of Elma Avraham, an 84-year-old woman who was released during the ceasefire, told Israeli media that the Red Cross had refused to bring Avraham the medicine she needed. Immediately after Avraham was released, she was rushed to the hospital in critical condition. Since then, her condition has improved."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/red-cross-reprimanded-hostage-families-think-about-the-palestinians/ar-AA1lc10X?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=c26cd96c059b447c8a700530273446c5&ei=14

Yet another international "aid organization" failing in its duties. How much US taxpayers money does it get?
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Red Cross isn't merely failing in it's responsibilities, but rather it's working in exact opposition to it's intended purpose.
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If that is true F the red cross. I will work to ensure they never see another dime again.
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So, everyone's favorite news website has a headline which read "Hamas condemns US veto of UN ceasefire vote". As if any should give a **** what Hamas thinks. I mean they're the *******s that started this whole thing.

Strangely, the headline has now been updated to "Palestinian officials condemn US veto of UN ceasefire vote". I guess the same comment still applies.
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torrid said:

So, everyone's favorite news website has a headline which read "Hamas condemns US veto of UN ceasefire vote". As if any should give a **** what Hamas thinks. I mean they're the *******s that started this whole thing.

Strangely, the headline has now been updated to "Palestinian officials condemn US veto of UN ceasefire vote". I guess the same comment still applies.


Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that any Palestinians officials saying that aren't 100% aligned with Hamas...
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They ARE Hamas. Period.
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Great piece detailing the flushing out of the al aqsa flood Hamas vermin from their tunnels.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/12/israels_idf_flushes_hamass_tunnels_with_sea_water__and_sends_terrorists_scurrying_out_like_rats.html
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nortex97 said:

Great piece detailing the flushing out of the al aqsa flood Hamas vermin from their tunnels.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/12/israels_idf_flushes_hamass_tunnels_with_sea_water__and_sends_terrorists_scurrying_out_like_rats.html
Well, Hamas did call October 7th the "Al Aqsa Flood."

Irony. Hamas called their shot and got it right.
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This is encouraging. Put every one of these barbarians in prison and let them face justice whatever justice the Israeli legal system allows. Utterly destroy their ability to make war and humiliate them to the point where they have no choice but to accept defeat on Israel's terms.

Then silently go after the leadership in Hamas that is abroad and take them out one by one until every single one of them is dead. Make whatever time they have left a season of constant fear and understanding that their lives are forfeit.
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Ag87H2O said:

nortex97 said:

Great piece detailing the flushing out of the al aqsa flood Hamas vermin from their tunnels.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/12/israels_idf_flushes_hamass_tunnels_with_sea_water__and_sends_terrorists_scurrying_out_like_rats.html
Well, Hamas did call October 7th the "Al Aqsa Flood." Irony at its best.


Humbly submit "Al-Aqsa 2: Hydraulic Boogaloo" as tunnel op name.
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I have been wondering what they will do with all those terrorist. None of them should ever be set free to commit more terror.
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Ag87H2O said:



This is encouraging. Put every one of these barbarians in prison and let them face justice whatever justice the Israeli legal system allows. Utterly destroy their ability to make war and humiliate them to the point where they have no choice but to accept defeat on Israel's terms.

Then silently go after the leadership in Hamas that is abroad and take them out one by one until every single one of them is dead. Make whatever time they have left a season of constant fear and understanding that their lives are forfeit.
Oh, I was expecting dead bodies.
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Thanks for the updates and keeping us informed. I'm afraid our microwave societie's attention span is moving on to the next shiny thing. This needs to stay in the forefront of our news and minds.

Frankly, this thread should be stickied.
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Our resident propagandists are of course hiding truths about Hamas/Islam/Jihad etc., dutifully;


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Palestinian PM states while in Qatar "Hamas must be part of Gaza on the day after" the war ends. Umm, no.

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Hamas must be part of the 'day after' plan for Gaza, West Bank, and east Jerusalem, Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Mohammed Shtayyeh told the Doha Forum in Qatar on Sunday.
"Hamas is an integral part of the Palestinian mosaic," Shtayyeh said as he addressed the question of whether there was a role for a reformed Hamas within the Palestinian Authority once the Gaza war was over.

It was an idea he raised during an interview with Bloomberg published on Friday. "If they [Hamas] are ready to come to an agreement [with the Palestine Liberation Organization], then there will be room for talk," Shtayyeh said as he discussed PA rule of Gaza after the war.

Shtayyeh spoke while the IDF was in the midst of a military campaign to oust Hamas from the Gaza Strip. The Israeli army entered Gaza after Hamas infiltrated southern Israel on October 7, killing over 1,200 people and seizing 250 hostages.

Netanyahu: There will be no Hamas

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has insisted that the PA cannot rule Gaza and that the IDF must retain control of the enclave's security.

"There will be no Hamas, we will eliminate it," Netanyahu said in a post on X Friday as he directly rebutted Shtayyeh's statement.
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Hamas is a terrorist organization. It has no place ANYWHERE. I am still baffled that Hamas "leadership" around the world remain free. I'm still baffled that protestors who say they support Hamas remain free. You want to be a terrorist, get treated like one.

Autocorrect just gave me a great idea. Every terrorist captured, the Israelis should tattoo "terrorist" on their face in Hebrew. Mark then for life.
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dmart90 said:

Hamas is a terrorist organization. It has no place ANYWHERE. I am still baffled that Hamas "leadership" around the world remain free. I'm still baffled that protestors who say they support Hamas remain free. You want to be a terrorist, get treated like one.

Autocorrect just gave me a great idea. Every terrorist captured, the Israelis should tattoo "terrorist" on their face in Hebrew. Mark then for life.


Israel has already publicly announced they are going to kill all of the leaders. I suspect they are just all hands on deck right now with Gaza and as soon as that gets leveled off they will divert Mossad to global operations.
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"Terrorism is an integral part of the palestinian culture."

palestinians are terrorists. They said it themselves...
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ABATTBQ11 said:

"Terrorism is an integral part of the palestinian culture."

palestinians are terrorists. They said it themselves...
Many are; Hamas has to get their people from somewhere after all, and aside from Iran, I can't think of a more fertile ground for them.

Now, does that mean that every Palestinian is a terrorist, no, but it would be willfully naive to think there aren't plenty of people left in that area who are very sympathetic to Hamas.
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dmart90 said:

Hamas is a terrorist organization. It has no place ANYWHERE. I am still baffled that Hamas "leadership" around the world remain free. I'm still baffled that protestors who say they support Hamas remain free. You want to be a terrorist, get treated like one.

Autocorrect just gave me a great idea. Every terrorist captured, the Israelis should tattoo "terrorist" on their face in Hebrew. Mark then for life.
Jews...

Tattoos...

Sounds a little Holocausty...

I LIKE the idea in concept, but I think it would then backfire on the Israelis - they'd get compared to the Nazis (wouldn't that be ironic) for tattooing people AND it might soften the impact of the Holocaust itself if they did the same thing.
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nortex97 said:







There was a video on Reddit earlier today showing the same guy surrendering an AK in almost the same exact manner, except the rifle was in the other hand. The video wasn't mirrored as evidenced by people behind him, the camera view just before he puts the rifle on the ground, and his mannerisms right after he placed the gun down.

Was a very interesting video. Either a) he was the one being asked to surrender all rifles for the people who had surrendered or b) Israeli propaganda. Not many other options.

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Ag with kids said:

dmart90 said:

Hamas is a terrorist organization. It has no place ANYWHERE. I am still baffled that Hamas "leadership" around the world remain free. I'm still baffled that protestors who say they support Hamas remain free. You want to be a terrorist, get treated like one.

Autocorrect just gave me a great idea. Every terrorist captured, the Israelis should tattoo "terrorist" on their face in Hebrew. Mark then for life.
Jews...

Tattoos...

Sounds a little Holocausty...

I LIKE the idea in concept, but I think it would then backfire on the Israelis - they'd get compared to the Nazis (wouldn't that be ironic) for tattooing people AND it might soften the impact of the Holocaust itself if they did the same thing.

Fair point...
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Just my opinion, but in any conflict or war the best way to determine who is "good," and who is "bad," is to look at how each side treats their opponent/enemy/captive.

Especially when one side or the other has a large advantage.

Israel has always made concessions for palestinians, and I highly doubt they would ever brand or mark them. More than likely they will be given a trial, and those found to have murdered Israelis will be executed, and those who were just involved may be in prison for life.

The palestinians would rape/behead Jewish captives; and they've already done this.
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Pizza said:

Just my opinion, but in any conflict or war the best way to determine who is "good," and who is "bad," is to look at how each side treats their opponent/enemy/captive.

Especially when one side or the other has a large advantage.

Israel has always made concessions for palestinians, and I highly doubt they would ever brand or mark them. More than likely they will be given a trial, and those found to have murdered Israelis will be executed, and those who were just involved may be in prison for life.

The palestinians would rape/behead Jewish captives; and they've already done this.
I agree..

Personally I'd probably sentence all of them to death. The one's in prison for "life" will just be bargained for the next time somebody takes Israeli citizens hostage.

I think I saw where the Israeli PM stated they'd have a presence in the Gaza strip from here on out. Good move on their part.
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87IE said:

Pizza said:

Just my opinion, but in any conflict or war the best way to determine who is "good," and who is "bad," is to look at how each side treats their opponent/enemy/captive.

Especially when one side or the other has a large advantage.

Israel has always made concessions for palestinians, and I highly doubt they would ever brand or mark them. More than likely they will be given a trial, and those found to have murdered Israelis will be executed, and those who were just involved may be in prison for life.

The palestinians would rape/behead Jewish captives; and they've already done this.
I agree..

Personally I'd probably sentence all of them to death. The one's in prison for "life" will just be bargained for the next time somebody takes Israeli citizens hostage.

I think I saw where the Israeli PM stated they'd have a presence in the Gaza strip from here on out. Good move on their part.


They definitely need a presence in gaza to maintain situational awareness.

Most of what I said is a general idea that really needs elaboration, but I'll let others like k2 copy/paste stratfor talking points & their opinions.

Right now I just hope Israel beings a swift end to the conflict, and I hope the USA is involved in assisting them.
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Gaza needs to be occupied and deradicalized, similar to the denazification of Germany. The world needs to stomach the fact that some people cannot be a self-governing society and need to be occupied and intensively re-educated for generations.
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Agreed. Meanwhile, the UN further beclowns itself;

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Gilad Erdan said that the 'biased visit' highlights the Council's disregard of Israelis' suffering and proves illegitimacy of UN's decisions on Gaza

Gilad Erdan, Israel's Permanent Representative to the United Nations (UN), on Monday reacted to the news of anticipated visit by the UN's Security Council (UNSC) delegation to the Rafah border crossing. The Council representatives are said to evaluate the aid provided to the Gaza residents and discuss the ways to improve the humanitarian situation in the Strip.

He said it was "a disgrace" and "a new low" in the organization's bias towards Israeli victims of the October 7 massacres and the hostages remaining in the Hamas's captivity for over 60 days.

On his X (formerly Twitter) account, he posted: "This is a biased visit by the Council and is a new low that proves that the Council only cares about the residents of Gaza and ignores the suffering of the residents of our south and the fate of the abductees."

He added that "the distorted visit by the Council, that has not condemned Hamas to this day, eliminates any legitimacy for its decisions regarding the war in Gaza. This is a disgrace!"

The development follows a series of incidents when Israeli officials accused the UN and its agencies of biased treatment of Israelis. Earlier in December, UN Women - the organization's body for gender equality and women's empowerment - only found words to condemn Hamas's acts of sexualized violence against Israeli women two months after the October 7 attack.
I am not sure which I would favor cutting all funding permanently for first if given a choice, the UN or the FBI.

Huge rocket blasts/salvo this am from Hezbollah in the north into central Israel. The IDF has been taking out their leadership so I think they are really getting frustrated now.



Some moderately encouraging news/perspective, though only provided/admitted by an IDF interrogation;

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In interrogations by the Shin Bet, Hamas's former communications minister Yosef Almansi harshly criticized the terror organization, and painted their leader, Yahya Sinwar, as an unpopular despot who has only brought harm to Palestinians, according to a statement by the Israel security agency on Sunday.

Sinwar "has delusions of grandeur," Almansi said. "He feels like he is above everyone else." The people, he said, don't agree: "I have not seen anybody in the Gaza Strip who supports Sinwar," he told Shin Bet interrogators. "Nobody likes Sinwar. There are people who, day and night, pray that God will free us from him."
Speaking of the group he served as a part of the Gazan government, Almansi told interrogators that "the achievements of Hamas are the killing and destruction of more than 60% of the buildings, infrastructure, streets, and public facilities. This is a group of lunatics that Sinwar leads," he said. "They destroyed the Gaza Strip; they set it back 200 years."
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Seems like a similar situation to the NAZI's. The radical element was an extremely active and vocal minority that exploits some existing biases and sentiments and tendencies within the larger population's culture and pulls a majority of them along with exuberant promises of success and greatness. They stay in power when they can't deliver by then making it clear that they will go to extremes to do so, so the majority make sure to be seen to support the movement, amongst the true believers that actively do. It sure seems like human beings are vulnerable to this type of group behavior.
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nortex97 said:



I hope the Israelis are smart enough to realize they need to put as many flags and menorahs all over the Gaza Strip before allowing back in the Palestinian residents from the South

every Palestinian should be seeing hundreds of israeli flags and IDF soldiers all around them when they return to their neighborhoods.

else it becomes the German 'stabbed in the back we never lost World War I" bs all over again.
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