Israel/Hamas going at it

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2000AgPhD said:

Hamas is already making excuses - they can't locate some hostages. others were killed in IDF airstrikes, blah, blah, blah. Sad to say, but I hope this falls apart quickly and the IDF gets back to killing Hamas and IJ.
Hamas lies as they see fit. I hope they are wiped off the face of the earth.
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LMCane said:


THIS is the type of information that can change minds.
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Athanasius said:

LMCane said:


THIS is the type of information that can change minds.
Yep, Hamas mouthpieces can protest all they want, but they cannot credibly claim they weren't using mosques, hospitals, daycares, schools, and personal residences for terrorists activities. These types of discoveries make those claims as hollow as the tunnels themselves.
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very good combat footage here

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Athanasius said:

LMCane said:


THIS is the type of information that can change minds.


I don't know, people aren't the brightest bulbs and once their mind is made up they typically don't change it.
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Very good thread (20 posts) for those interested in a 'less optimistic' assessment of the 'deal.'
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Agthatbuilds said:



This is how you do propaganda.

I'm sure many Palestinian children have died as a result of Israeli actions since 10/7.

It's to be expected because 1. A significant portion of the gaza population are children


And, this is big -2. Hamas built their ****ing network underneath and within the civilian population of gaza

So, Turkish media, should hamas be granted immunity because they are purposely located within the civilian population? Is that a get out of jail free card?
No, that is a war crime
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LMCane said:

I can now proudly report that the ideas brainstormed by the F16 Fighting TexAgs board have been passed along and successfully implemented by the IDF:


I've been hoping the IDF would start doing this. It has always seemed like it would be impossible to blow up the entire length of these tunnels without time to fully plant charges through out the entire length. Fill them with water and not only does it flush out the terrorists, but it completely blocks them from further use until they can be properly investigated, mapped, and blown up.
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This is why Israel plans to bury hundreds of cars, with ashes and blood stains


To preserve the sanctity of those murdered by Hamas, for the first time since the establishment of the state, they decided to bury the vehicles.
By ZVIKA KLEIN NOVEMBER 22, 2023


Due to the lack of body parts or remains of many of those killed in the October 7 Hamas massacre, the ZAKA has recommended burying the cars of those who were killed in them.

ZAKA Tel Aviv is the emergency response unit of central Israel, serving in over 21 cities across the country with thousands of volunteers, and is recognized as a civil extension of Israel's emergency services and the only emergency response unit authorized to operate in central Israel. One of the organization's units is dedicated to ensuring "dignity in death," particularly in situations of sudden or unexpected loss.

N12 reported on Tuesday that the organization, after intense and distressing efforts, concluded that they could not locate or clean all the remains of the victims inside the vehicles in which they were slaughtered.

Some of the cars have blood stains or ashes that are difficult to collect for various technical reasons that have to do with the way these individuals were killed.

In order to preserve the sanctity of the deceased they decided to bury the vehicles. According to the report, "After consulting with the Military Rabbinate and the Chief Rabbinate, hundreds of vehicles will be buried in the coming few days in Jewish cemeteries across Israel."

The Chief Rabbinate as well as the Religious Services Ministry have yet to officially respond to this report.

Israel Hasid, a spokesperson for ZAKA-Tel Aviv, addressed the pressing issue with The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday. He explained that Rabbi Yaakov Roza, the rabbinic authority of ZAKA, and the most highly esteemed halachic figure in Israel concerning proper burial, "raised a critical question regarding the disposal of vehicles after they have undergone cleaning," after the massacre, where hundreds were killed or were burned alive in vehicles.

"These are vehicles that have become contaminated with ashes or blood, making it impossible to completely cleanse them."

Hasid emphasized that the final decision on this matter must be sanctioned by either the Chief Rabbinate or the Religious Services Ministry and that the decision is expected to be reached and publicly announced in the coming days.

The process of burial will involve placing these vehicles in designated burial pits, "akin to how significant findings are treated in major tragedies," Hasid explained.

According to Halacha (Jewish law), ashes or blood remains are holy and need to be buried, yet they aren't necessarily buried in a cemetery with the deceased, but in a designated burial pit. "Importantly, there won't be any headstones above these plots, and they won't be buried in a cemetery," Hasid explained, adding that he assumed the state would build some sort of monument above these plots.

In order to save space and be as environment-friendly as possible, Hasid explained that the cars may be shredded before being buried. "The underlying rationale behind this initiative is to maximize space efficiency by compacting the existing vehicles."

Hasid added, "It is believed that creating a unique memorial in this manner will provide solace to some grieving families who are uncertain about the whereabouts of their loved ones. The families are highly supportive of this initiative, understanding that it may include the ashes or blood of their dear ones who will find a final resting place in this manner."
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Agthatbuilds said:

The no drone thing is absolutely insane. I sincerely hope the usa, Israel and whomever else says "drone" to mean a very specific thing but has plans to know exactly where the hostages are released from and to know the exact movements of hamas during this pause


I am absolutely certain that we have satellite and other assets that will provide any level of visibility we need while the drones are not flying. The question is whether we will share that info with the Israelis. I kind of suspect that Israel would not have agreed to the deal without assurances that we would share it.
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Agthatbuilds said:

The no drone thing is absolutely insane. I sincerely hope the usa, Israel and whomever else says "drone" to mean a very specific thing but has plans to know exactly where the hostages are released from and to know the exact movements of hamas during this pause
correct.

as an Israeli Major General pointed out during an interview today-

Israel has been through 6 wars before anyone in the world knew what a drone was.

I am sure the IDF has ways to understand what is happening around them.
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Seems like I recall the US bragging about satellites that could read a car's license plate, and that was a several decades ago. I can only imagine our capabilities now with those and the Blackbird.
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That'll get some people angry up to their necks.

Wouldn't be surprised if it upsets the ceasefire plan
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Sucks to have ****ty parents
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Agthatbuilds said:

That'll get some people angry up to their necks.

Wouldn't be surprised if it upsets the ceasefire plan


I'm all for the IDFs way of "apprehending" Hamas as they exit the tunnels.

Point blank!
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Also...
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will25u said:



Also...



Good, the IDF needs to follow every lead and leave no stone unturned in their pursuit of ridding the world of Hamas, regardless of where it leads.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Al Shifa Hospital Staff, western journalists, Hamas supporters in the United States on campuses and social media... suddenly very quite the last 24 hours!!

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billions of dollars wasted by the West to "support Gaza" over the last 17 years. guess where all that money went?

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