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Israel/Hamas going at it
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Damn - the sh** is hitting the fan in Beirut not far from our embassy. (via Fox News).
Isn't the median age in the Gaza Strip 18 years? If so, 1/3 is quite remarkable. But for a different reason.TXaggiesTX said:J. Walter Weatherman said:TXaggiesTX said:RGLAG85 said:Who provoked it?TXaggiesTX said:RGLAG85 said:This is such bull**** and only a reason for you to hold onto an anti-Israeli view point. Show me one time Israel has killed Palestinian civilians unprovoked and I'll show you a hundred of the Palestinians doing it to Israelis.TXaggiesTX said:Additionally, the idea that this all just started relatively unprovoked is a lie, both sides have been killing civilians from the other side for decades.LMCane said:what EXACTLY has been "fake" from the Israeli side?TXaggiesTX said:FireAg said:
There's very little chance the Israelis hit a hospital…
The ME wants full scale war with the West…
From listening to Morons like Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley it certainly seems like America is the one itching for war. Didn't Janet Yellen just say "we can afford 2 wars". Insane.
Talking about this conflict is impossible because both sides just say everything their side does that normal people would consider horrific is fake. And there's plenty on both sides.
Ok. From times of Israel - 151 Palestinians died in the conflict last year (PA claims 167), versus 27 Israelites. Most estimates of the deaths this month have Israeli deaths at 1,500 and Palestinian deaths around 3,000.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/2022-shaping-up-to-be-deadliest-for-israelis-and-palestinians-in-years/amp/
Excerpts from the article:
Several bystanders have been killed amid the gun battles too, such as Al Jazeera reporter Shireen Abu Akleh, who was accidentally shot dead by an Israeli soldier during a raid in Jenin in May.
On Sunday night, a 16-year-old girl, Jana Zakarna, was apparently shot dead by an Israeli soldier as she was on a rooftop in Jenin, amid an armed clash between troops and Palestinian gunmen.
In the cases of Abu Akleh, Zakarna, and Omar Assad a Palestinian who had a heart attack and died after being arrested and later abandoned by troops Israeli officials and even the army have apologized for their deaths.
But there have also been Palestinians killed in murkier circumstances, such as Ammar Shafiq Abu Afifa, an unarmed 19-year-old student who was shot dead after running away from troops who sought to question him. The IDF did not say he sought to commit an attack or was otherwise wanted for questioning.
Excerpt from United Nations report in 2022
Reiterating the United Nations steadfast support to both sides in achieving a sustainable peace, he outlined recent developments on the ground, noting that a total of 14 Palestinians were killed between 8 December 2022 and 13 January 2023, and another 117 were injured by Israeli security forces. Israeli settlers or other civilians perpetrated 63 attacks against Palestinians resulting in 28 injuries, including six children. According to Israeli sources, five Israeli civilians and four security forces personnel were injured by Palestinians in attacks, clashes, the throwing of stones and Molotov cocktails, and other incidents. Palestinians perpetrated a total of 89 attacks against Israeli civilians during the reporting period.
Again, show me where Israel has just killed Palestinians because it was a Tuesday?
What? Every death I just listed was the result of something that happened earlier. This conflict has been ongoing for 70 years. You wouldn't consider going to some family farm that they have been on for generations and just forcibly taking it over and forcing them off provocative? That doesn't justify Palestinian murders of Israelis but 99% of the violence in this conflict and every conflict has some form of internal justification from the perpetrator. I bet you think every time or most of the time an Israeli kills a Palestinian it's totally justified. That's…laughable is the wrong word but it's very ignorant. And what BLM is saying the other way is also ignorant.
Regardless - The most important thing in this conflict is that America doesn't take a side and get ourselves into another Middle East mess. We need Trump, the only candidate that doesn't seem to be pounding the war drum.
If the argument you're clumsily attempting to make puts you even remotely on the side of the group who just massacred 1,500+ civilians, including infants and grandparents, you should probably stop.
Yeah that's why my position is America should stay out of this conflict - because both sides are doing that. Been to both Israel and Palestine and talked to Christians in the area about it.
I'm hearing we need to get a speaker so we can pass a multi billion dollar aid package to Israel and Ukraine, here's a novel idea - let's cut spending and reduce our debt instead.Hey Israel, stop the Gaza Genocide now. #GazaGenocide #Water4Gaza pic.twitter.com/tCvCh7fukx
— Chief Trumpster (@ChiefTrumpster) October 18, 2023
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watching the local "military & police" push back rioters is laughable. Do you see these guys? throwing rocks and backing up like it's their first game of paintball or something. that's an absolute joke of security. we see exactly why our military has to train all these countries. i think my kids and their airsoft buddies could do a better job.
wow- such a huge bomb crater from a massive dropped bomb...
oh right- actually NO crater at all. and no damage to actual buildings.
exactly what one would expect to see from a Islamic Jihad homemade rocket which failed in mid flight. only an idiot would believe that 500 people were killed here. or a Hamas supporter.
oh right- actually NO crater at all. and no damage to actual buildings.
exactly what one would expect to see from a Islamic Jihad homemade rocket which failed in mid flight. only an idiot would believe that 500 people were killed here. or a Hamas supporter.
First video in daylight of the Al-Ahly hospital.
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 18, 2023
It looks like the parking lot in front of the hospital took the main hit. pic.twitter.com/p8yBM80GRi
believe me, if those "military and police" really wanted to stop the crowds,Kyle Field Shade Chaser said:
watching the local "military & police" push back rioters is laughable. Do you see these guys? throwing rocks and backing up like it's their first game of paintball or something. that's an absolute joke of security. we see exactly why our military has to train all these countries. i think my kids and their airsoft buddies could do a better job.
they would be opening fire with automatic weapons as they do all the time in Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq.
the fact is the "authorities" are plenty happy with US installations being attacked.
Just my personal feelings, but I don't feel sorry for this religious group. Over the last 1400 years they have caused so much pain and suffering to so many around the world.
They enjoy it when others suffer. We see it in their faces, in their eyes. But when it hits them, they want sympathy and help and try to guilt you about it. The world has seen far too much.
They never cared about non Muslim children. Why should anyone care about their future terrorists?
They enjoy it when others suffer. We see it in their faces, in their eyes. But when it hits them, they want sympathy and help and try to guilt you about it. The world has seen far too much.
They never cared about non Muslim children. Why should anyone care about their future terrorists?
Israel needs to give them a 6 hour warning to evacuate, target hospital, then tell them this is what an Israeli bomb looks like you idiots.LMCane said:
wow- such a huge bomb crater from a massive dropped bomb...
oh right- actually NO crater at all. and no damage to actual buildings.
exactly what one would expect to see from a Islamic Jihad homemade rocket which failed in mid flight. only an idiot would believe that 500 people were killed here. or a Hamas supporter.First video in daylight of the Al-Ahly hospital.
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 18, 2023
It looks like the parking lot in front of the hospital took the main hit. pic.twitter.com/p8yBM80GRi
If they're going to lie and fabricate crap, then at least try a little harder.
There's a lot of crow eating that should be going on over this one.
So, I'm busy at work and admittedly barely keeping up. Can someone fill in a few blanks?
1-Rocket hit near or at hospital
2- Rocket seemingly hit in parking lot and video this morning shows this.
3- Hamas immediately blamed Israel and precipitated the same from other ME countries and Palestinian sympathizers.
4-Evidence has seemingly shown this was propaganda and that Hana's actually failed a missile launch and knows it (internal communications support this)
Did the hospital actually explode and are there daytime pics if this?
Has there been any confirmation of anywhere close to "500 casualties"?
1-Rocket hit near or at hospital
2- Rocket seemingly hit in parking lot and video this morning shows this.
3- Hamas immediately blamed Israel and precipitated the same from other ME countries and Palestinian sympathizers.
4-Evidence has seemingly shown this was propaganda and that Hana's actually failed a missile launch and knows it (internal communications support this)
Did the hospital actually explode and are there daytime pics if this?
Has there been any confirmation of anywhere close to "500 casualties"?
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The entire narrative that this was an Israeli strike crumbles in the light of day. First, Hamas' (or Islamic Jihad', same difference) rocket didn't hit the hospital, it landed in the parking lot. So it did NOT hit the hospital proper. First lie debunked. Next, the absence of a crater is further evidence that this was caused by Hamas' "friendly fire." Israeli missiles leave deep craters and there is none in the parking lot. Next, video evidence shows the terrorist missile breaking apart mid-flight, followed by the explosion next to the hospital. Vectoring shows where that missile originated, and it didn't come from Israel. Finally, that exchange between terrorists trying to figure out what just happened is final nail in this BS story's coffin.
None of that is going to matter.....they lie has already been spread around the world. No one is going to retract their headlines.
There will be another distraction today or tomorrow to get this off the front pages and forgotten by Saturday morning.
Everything is correct except there wasn't an explosion. I saw a bunch of videos being passed around last night on twitter that seemed to show detonation of a bomb, but there is no crater, no buildings were leveled, and no windows were blown out. What it does show is that a rocket fell in a parking lot and caused a small fire.Catag94 said:
So, I'm busy at work and admittedly barely keeping up. Can someone fill in a few blanks?
1-Rocket hit near or at hospital
2- Rocket seemingly hit in parking lot and video this morning shows this.
3- Hamas immediately blamed Israel and precipitated the same from other ME countries and Palestinian sympathizers.
4-Evidence has seemingly shown this was propaganda and that Hana's actually failed a missile launch and knows it (internal communications support this)
Did the hospital actually explode and are there daytime pics if this?
Has there been any confirmation of anywhere close to "500 casualties"?
Catag94 said:
So, I'm busy at work and admittedly barely keeping up. Can someone fill in a few blanks?
1-Rocket hit near or at hospital
2- Rocket seemingly hit in parking lot and video this morning shows this.
3- Hamas immediately blamed Israel and precipitated the same from other ME countries and Palestinian sympathizers.
4-Evidence has seemingly shown this was propaganda and that Hana's actually failed a missile launch and knows it (internal communications support this)
Did the hospital actually explode and are there daytime pics if this?
Has there been any confirmation of anywhere close to "500 casualties"?
3A) Western media gladly and gleefully attributed it to an Israeli attack based solely on the word of Hamas, a terrorist organization.
carl spacklers hat said:The entire narrative that this was an Israeli strike crumbles in the light of day. First, Hamas' (or Islamic Jihad', same difference) rocket didn't hit the hospital, it landed in the parking lot. So it did NOT hit the hospital proper. First lie debunked. Next, the absence of a crater is further evidence that this was caused by Hamas' "friendly fire." Israeli missiles leave deep craters and there is none in the parking lot. Next, video evidence shows the terrorist missile breaking apart mid-flight, followed by the explosion next to the hospital. Vectoring shows where that missile originated, and it didn't come from Israel. Finally, that exchange between terrorists trying to figure out what just happened is final nail in this BS story's coffin.JobSecurity said:
There's no chance this killed a hundred people let alone 500. Still haven't seen a pic or video of the aftermath with more than 3 bodies in itFirst video in daylight of the Al-Ahly hospital.
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 18, 2023
It looks like the parking lot in front of the hospital took the main hit. pic.twitter.com/p8yBM80GRi
And this AM listening to CNN and MSNBC talking heads have these exact pieces of evidence spelled out to them and the final comments were basically "we'll never really know if it was ISRAEL or not that bombed that hospital though".
The media and academia are the root of the problem. Pro Islamic Jihad, anti Semetic. Oh, and pro Democrat Socialist Party. See the correlation here?
Fix the MSM and academia as a start.
"Green" is the new RED.
one other correction-TKEAg04 said:Everything is correct except there wasn't an explosion. I saw a bunch of videos being passed around last night on twitter that seemed to show detonation of a bomb, but there is no crater, no buildings were leveled, and no windows were blown out. What it does show is that a rocket fell in a parking lot and caused a small fire.Catag94 said:
So, I'm busy at work and admittedly barely keeping up. Can someone fill in a few blanks?
1-Rocket hit near or at hospital
2- Rocket seemingly hit in parking lot and video this morning shows this.
3- Hamas immediately blamed Israel and precipitated the same from other ME countries and Palestinian sympathizers.
4-Evidence has seemingly shown this was propaganda and that Hana's actually failed a missile launch and knows it (internal communications support this)
Did the hospital actually explode and are there daytime pics if this?
Has there been any confirmation of anywhere close to "500 casualties"?
Israel believes it was a missile that failed as part of a missile barrage from Islamic Jihad, not Hamas.
it's hard to keep up with the different terror organizations in Gaza.
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Your summary is correct.
Video and audio evidence this was a failed rocket. Including recorded evidence with hamas leaders is was a jihad rocket that misfired. Casualties are nowhere near 500. My guess looking at the video would be a max of 50.
Video and audio evidence this was a failed rocket. Including recorded evidence with hamas leaders is was a jihad rocket that misfired. Casualties are nowhere near 500. My guess looking at the video would be a max of 50.
Israeli Artillery is currently Heavily Shelling a number of Locations in Southern Lebanon due to Small-Arms and Mortar Fire being directly at IDF Troops earlier.
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) October 18, 2023
BERAKING: Shortly after Biden meets Israeli war cabinet Israel announces it will allow the entry of humanitarian aid to Gaza from Egypt, Israeli officials say
— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 18, 2023
Did the Baptist Hospital convert to Islam overnight?
Was it a forced resignation? What is going on = Lol
Was it a forced resignation? What is going on = Lol
BB's
Know your Palestinian terror organizations:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/major-palestinian-terror-organizations
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/major-palestinian-terror-organizations
Hamas's al-Qassam Brigades has named three of its members who were killed while trying to infiltrate #Israel from #Lebanon, on October 14. Two of them are from the Ain al-Hilweh refugee camp. pic.twitter.com/VtAo3mF3hS
— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) October 18, 2023
At a minimum the Israelis should demand the cargo be inspected by third parties before crossing the border to verify there are no weapons with the shipments. There is about a zero percent chance the Arab countries sending supplies won't try to smuggle military aid to Hamas.JobSecurity said:BERAKING: Shortly after Biden meets Israeli war cabinet Israel announces it will allow the entry of humanitarian aid to Gaza from Egypt, Israeli officials say
— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 18, 2023
no comment. but here's scott ritter's not positive forecast.
go to beginning of stream.
go to beginning of stream.
BREAKING: The US sanctions 10 Hamas linked entities to curb its funding sources
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) October 18, 2023
If they didn't get all hostages, this is freaking stupid!!JobSecurity said:BERAKING: Shortly after Biden meets Israeli war cabinet Israel announces it will allow the entry of humanitarian aid to Gaza from Egypt, Israeli officials say
— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 18, 2023
Rossticus said:BREAKING: The US sanctions 10 Hamas linked entities to curb its funding sources
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) October 18, 2023
Is there a list naming these entities?
Thank you all for the update on the Hospital.
Yeah but even food and water and medical supplies and such is still just going to go to Hamas.Ag87H2O said:At a minimum the Israelis should demand the cargo be inspected by third parties before crossing the border to verify there are no weapons with the shipments. There is about a zero percent chance the Arab countries sending supplies won't try to smuggle military aid to Hamas.JobSecurity said:BERAKING: Shortly after Biden meets Israeli war cabinet Israel announces it will allow the entry of humanitarian aid to Gaza from Egypt, Israeli officials say
— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 18, 2023
We are the dumbest country around. It's astonishing we're as powerful as we are. For now anyway..
LMCane said:one other correction-TKEAg04 said:Everything is correct except there wasn't an explosion. I saw a bunch of videos being passed around last night on twitter that seemed to show detonation of a bomb, but there is no crater, no buildings were leveled, and no windows were blown out. What it does show is that a rocket fell in a parking lot and caused a small fire.Catag94 said:
So, I'm busy at work and admittedly barely keeping up. Can someone fill in a few blanks?
1-Rocket hit near or at hospital
2- Rocket seemingly hit in parking lot and video this morning shows this.
3- Hamas immediately blamed Israel and precipitated the same from other ME countries and Palestinian sympathizers.
4-Evidence has seemingly shown this was propaganda and that Hana's actually failed a missile launch and knows it (internal communications support this)
Did the hospital actually explode and are there daytime pics if this?
Has there been any confirmation of anywhere close to "500 casualties"?
Israel believes it was a missile that failed as part of a missile barrage from Islamic Jihad, not Hamas.
it's hard to keep up with the different terror organizations in Gaza.
Real question: Is there a meaningful difference here? Isn't Hamas in essence engaged in Jihad?
Joes said:Yeah but even food and water and medical supplies and such is still just going to go to Hamas.Ag87H2O said:At a minimum the Israelis should demand the cargo be inspected by third parties before crossing the border to verify there are no weapons with the shipments. There is about a zero percent chance the Arab countries sending supplies won't try to smuggle military aid to Hamas.JobSecurity said:BERAKING: Shortly after Biden meets Israeli war cabinet Israel announces it will allow the entry of humanitarian aid to Gaza from Egypt, Israeli officials say
— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 18, 2023
We are the dumbest country around. It's astonishing we're as powerful as we are. For now anyway..
This am exactly. Didn't Hamas already steal a bunch food and fuel aid?
They're all competitors with the same goal.Catag94 said:LMCane said:one other correction-TKEAg04 said:Everything is correct except there wasn't an explosion. I saw a bunch of videos being passed around last night on twitter that seemed to show detonation of a bomb, but there is no crater, no buildings were leveled, and no windows were blown out. What it does show is that a rocket fell in a parking lot and caused a small fire.Catag94 said:
So, I'm busy at work and admittedly barely keeping up. Can someone fill in a few blanks?
1-Rocket hit near or at hospital
2- Rocket seemingly hit in parking lot and video this morning shows this.
3- Hamas immediately blamed Israel and precipitated the same from other ME countries and Palestinian sympathizers.
4-Evidence has seemingly shown this was propaganda and that Hana's actually failed a missile launch and knows it (internal communications support this)
Did the hospital actually explode and are there daytime pics if this?
Has there been any confirmation of anywhere close to "500 casualties"?
Israel believes it was a missile that failed as part of a missile barrage from Islamic Jihad, not Hamas.
it's hard to keep up with the different terror organizations in Gaza.
Real question: Is there a meaningful difference here? Isn't Hamas in essence engaged in Jihad?
Just like the People's Front of Judea and the Judean People's Front.
I'd put the Council on American-Islamic Relations near the top, they're headquartered in DC.Catag94 said:Rossticus said:BREAKING: The US sanctions 10 Hamas linked entities to curb its funding sources
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) October 18, 2023
Is there a list naming these entities?
After that, probably Qatar related entities.
Oh, you wanted the ones not attached the administrations at the hip? I dunno. Putin is probably on the list just for feels.
Rossticus said:BREAKING: The US sanctions 10 Hamas linked entities to curb its funding sources
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) October 18, 2023
Why wasn't this done when Hamas took over Gaza, or anytime since?
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
J. Walter Weatherman said:TXaggiesTX said:RGLAG85 said:Who provoked it?TXaggiesTX said:RGLAG85 said:This is such bull**** and only a reason for you to hold onto an anti-Israeli view point. Show me one time Israel has killed Palestinian civilians unprovoked and I'll show you a hundred of the Palestinians doing it to Israelis.TXaggiesTX said:Additionally, the idea that this all just started relatively unprovoked is a lie, both sides have been killing civilians from the other side for decades.LMCane said:what EXACTLY has been "fake" from the Israeli side?TXaggiesTX said:FireAg said:
There's very little chance the Israelis hit a hospital…
The ME wants full scale war with the West…
From listening to Morons like Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley it certainly seems like America is the one itching for war. Didn't Janet Yellen just say "we can afford 2 wars". Insane.
Talking about this conflict is impossible because both sides just say everything their side does that normal people would consider horrific is fake. And there's plenty on both sides.
Ok. From times of Israel - 151 Palestinians died in the conflict last year (PA claims 167), versus 27 Israelites. Most estimates of the deaths this month have Israeli deaths at 1,500 and Palestinian deaths around 3,000.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/2022-shaping-up-to-be-deadliest-for-israelis-and-palestinians-in-years/amp/
Excerpts from the article:
Several bystanders have been killed amid the gun battles too, such as Al Jazeera reporter Shireen Abu Akleh, who was accidentally shot dead by an Israeli soldier during a raid in Jenin in May.
On Sunday night, a 16-year-old girl, Jana Zakarna, was apparently shot dead by an Israeli soldier as she was on a rooftop in Jenin, amid an armed clash between troops and Palestinian gunmen.
In the cases of Abu Akleh, Zakarna, and Omar Assad a Palestinian who had a heart attack and died after being arrested and later abandoned by troops Israeli officials and even the army have apologized for their deaths.
But there have also been Palestinians killed in murkier circumstances, such as Ammar Shafiq Abu Afifa, an unarmed 19-year-old student who was shot dead after running away from troops who sought to question him. The IDF did not say he sought to commit an attack or was otherwise wanted for questioning.
Excerpt from United Nations report in 2022
Reiterating the United Nations steadfast support to both sides in achieving a sustainable peace, he outlined recent developments on the ground, noting that a total of 14 Palestinians were killed between 8 December 2022 and 13 January 2023, and another 117 were injured by Israeli security forces. Israeli settlers or other civilians perpetrated 63 attacks against Palestinians resulting in 28 injuries, including six children. According to Israeli sources, five Israeli civilians and four security forces personnel were injured by Palestinians in attacks, clashes, the throwing of stones and Molotov cocktails, and other incidents. Palestinians perpetrated a total of 89 attacks against Israeli civilians during the reporting period.
Again, show me where Israel has just killed Palestinians because it was a Tuesday?
What? Every death I just listed was the result of something that happened earlier. This conflict has been ongoing for 70 years. You wouldn't consider going to some family farm that they have been on for generations and just forcibly taking it over and forcing them off provocative? That doesn't justify Palestinian murders of Israelis but 99% of the violence in this conflict and every conflict has some form of internal justification from the perpetrator. I bet you think every time or most of the time an Israeli kills a Palestinian it's totally justified. That's…laughable is the wrong word but it's very ignorant. And what BLM is saying the other way is also ignorant.
Regardless - The most important thing in this conflict is that America doesn't take a side and get ourselves into another Middle East mess. We need Trump, the only candidate that doesn't seem to be pounding the war drum.
If the argument you're clumsily attempting to make puts you even remotely on the side of the group who just massacred 1,500+ civilians, including infants and grandparents, you should probably stop.
"What? Every death I just listed was the result of something that happened earlier. This conflict has been ongoing for 70 years.
You wouldn't consider going to some family farm that they have been on for generations and just forcibly taking it over and forcing them off provocative?
That doesn't justify German murders of Jews and Poles- but 99% of the violence in this conflict and every conflict has some form of internal justification from the perpetrator.
I bet you think every time or most of the time a British soldier kills a German it's totally justified. That's…laughable is the wrong word but it's very ignorant. And what Berlin is saying the other way is also ignorant.
Regardless - The most important thing in this conflict is that America doesn't take a side and get ourselves into another European mess. We need Lindbergh, the only candidate that doesn't seem to be pounding the war drum."
same poster in early 1941 defending the Nazis.
LOL guess why...No Spin Ag said:Rossticus said:BREAKING: The US sanctions 10 Hamas linked entities to curb its funding sources
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) October 18, 2023
Why wasn't this done when Hamas took over Gaza, or anytime since?
Obama - didn't care
Trump - might have cared but didn't do anything
Biden- didn't care
were all Presidents during all of this.
You heard it from CJ. Hamas has no right to exist. pic.twitter.com/JMF3Jc1Yfi
— Aviva Klompas (@AvivaKlompas) October 18, 2023
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