Israel/Hamas going at it

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Israel has taken down some more operations centers, and a lot of rockets fired off from Gaza in the past few minutes.





Muslims/democrats are such lovely people:











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agent-maroon said:

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bonfarr said:

Israel isnt going to get those hostages back alive. Once that is assured we are going to see the fireworks begin. Any house that has housed a terrorist on Mossad's list is going to be leveled. Any military aged male with an AK in his hand is going to get smoked. They are likely also going to hit a major target in Iran and there isn't a damn thing Iran can do to stop it.


I think it is going to be / needs to be worse than you describe... I believe indiscriminate death is about to descend upon them in a manner we haven't seen in generations.
Anybody else surprised that massive retaliatory actions haven't already begun? I mean we all know it's going to happen, but I'm surprised that it's taking so long.


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Surrendering to the Taliban.

Paying tribute to Iran.

Funding Hamas….from Day One.

This the worst foreign policy POTUS we have ever had and it isn't close.

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Strange how Arctic Penguin refuses criticizing a Biden Administration who actively funded an Islamo-Fascist terrorist group bent on killing every Jew they can get their hands on, but goes after someone who wants to end Hamas permanently.

So what do you want Israel to do, AP? Lay down and take it like the Biden Administration first suggested? Would you prefer us to continue funding Hamas as we have from the first day of the Biden Administration?

Or will you finally admit your commitment to grievance culture and distress over mean tweeting helped bring this stupidity about?

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Yes, they are striking hard from afar right now, and have amassed 100K but probably will build to 250K before rolling in on the ground. They know pretty much every square inch of that 'strip.'

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It seems inconceivable that Hamas would start such an operation without a contingency, particularly if Iran helped plan it. We know that Hezbollah has already stated it would intervene if the IDF enters Gaza.

Recall that only days ago, the U.S. shot down a very expensive and high-end Turkish drone over Syria, when said drone was reportedly coming close to bombing U.S. forces. Such developments speak of larger simmering tensions in the region.

Many now believe that Israel is set to fall into a "trap" set by Iranwhereby they enter Gaza and will have Hezbollah open up a second front. Hamas has already reportedly depleted much of Israel's Iron Dome with their own cheap 'bottle rockets', and has thus paved the way for Hezbollah to demolish Israel with real Iranian-supplied firepower in the form of heavy SRBMs and drones, etc.

The plan could then be secretly aided by the entire Russian bloc due to the knowledge that such a widescale conflict could greatly benefit Russia and even China in a variety of ways.
The first and most obvious is it would take all U.S. attention away from Ukraine, forcing them to focus on combating Iran and its regional powers, which would allow Russia to swiftly finish off an abandoned Ukraine.

Secondly, and in aid to the first above, any conflict of this sort would send oil prices through the roof, which are already being estimated to go to $150 per barrel in the future. This would lead to Russia's already-exorbitant fossil fuel profits to shoot through the roof, not only stabilizing its own economy but helping to finance the Ukraine war.

China of course could benefit in a similar way in having the U.S.'s attention diverted elsewhere, giving China breathing room to continue building up and consolidating its own regional strength while also depleting the U.S. and thus preventing it from ever funding/supplying Taiwan to substantial degrees
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Stlkofta said:

Surrendering to the Taliban.

Paying tribute to Iran.

Funding Hamas….from Day One.

This the worst foreign policy POTUS we have ever had and it isn't close.




The writing was on the wall ever since the absolute dumpster fire that was the pullout of the military from Afghanistan.
Biden admin should have been imprisoned for that level of negligence. It has only gotten worse since then.
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It wasn't negligence. It was quite deliberate treason.
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nortex97 said:

It wasn't negligence. It was quite deliberate treason.
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I don't think this is remotely true but it is a possibility:

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Got to love Oldfinger's stimulus packages.

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For those calling for Israel to change their gun laws permitting citizens to own firearms how would that work with 18% of the population in Israel being Muslim? They couldn't pass a law banning firearm ownership by religion and it isn't as if background checks would help much. I'm sure there is a database of people on terror watchlists but like in the US those people wouldn't buy weapons legally. You can have a well armed populace but that would also include Muslims that could decide to go jihadi at any moment if they have a gun in their hand. That is a complicated problem I would think.
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Agthatbuilds said:

https://instagr.am/p/CyIMhsYsN2g
When we get to the line about "innocent women and children" being killed in Gaza from our Democrat-run media, remember this picture and understand Biden and the Democrat Party backed the Nazis here and funded them from the first day of their term.

There are very few innocents in Gaza. What is coming their way, they fully deserve.

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Why do people keep posting stuff from random Twitter accounts that Israel sent 80% of their artillery shells to Ukraine? That is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard in a while.
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If you question the MSM at all, be very circumspect about the amount of coverage this conflict is receiving.
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bonfarr said:

For those calling for Israel to change their gun laws permitting citizens to own firearms how would that work with 18% of the population in Israel being Muslim? They couldn't pass a law banning firearm ownership by religion and it isn't as if background checks would help much. I'm sure there is a database of people on terror watchlists but like in the US those people wouldn't buy weapons legally. You can have a well armed populace but that would also include Muslims that could decide to go jihadi at any moment if they have a gun in their hand. That is a complicated problem I would think.


I doubt Israel gives a **** about banning gun sales to Muslims?

Israel rarely asks permission from its enemies about decisions it believes to be best for Israelis. They aren't us.
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Fox News:

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Israeli Energy and Infrastructure Minister Israel Katz ordered that water supply be cut off from the Gaza strip Monday. two days after Israel halted the flow of electricity and fuel to the area.

Israel has deployed tens of thousands of troops around the Gaza border, retaking land from Hamas terrorists. Israel has lost at least 800 citizens in the Hamas assault and at least another 2,000 have been wounded.

Israel Defense Minister Yoav Gallant ordered a "complete siege" on the Gaza Strip in retaliation for the strikes.

"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip," Gallant said at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.


"There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed."Gallant added: "We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly."


Footage from Gaza Monday morning showed frequent explosions as Israeli artillery and air strikes rained down on Hamas targets.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stated that the war with Hamas will be "long and difficult."


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GO ISRAEL!
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Stlkofta said:

Surrendering to the Taliban.

Paying tribute to Iran.

Funding Hamas….from Day One.

This the worst foreign policy POTUS we have ever had and it isn't close.



Well, admit it. All Presidents, both D and R have done things like this. We funded terrorism in Pakistan as well as long as it did not touch us.
On the economic front, we built up China until they became the global menace they are today.
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cslifer said:

Why do people keep posting stuff from random Twitter accounts that Israel sent 80% of their artillery shells to Ukraine? That is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard in a while.


They aren't random Twitter accounts. They are the same Russian milblogger accounts used in the pro Russian perspective thread. Basically just Russia being Russia trying to use this as an attempt to blame Ukraine aid.
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As long as you say "I don't think this is true but it's an interesting perspective" then it's ok to post the bs over and over again.
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Teslag said:

cslifer said:

Why do people keep posting stuff from random Twitter accounts that Israel sent 80% of their artillery shells to Ukraine? That is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard in a while.


They aren't random Twitter accounts. They are the same Russian milblogger accounts used in the pro Russian perspective thread. Basically just Russia being Russia trying to use this as an attempt to blame Ukraine aid.


I'm constantly amazed by the boomer generation, being manipulated by the Internet or the MSM.
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It is extremely unsettling to know that an 80 year old corrupt corpse and a cackling dumbass are at the top of decision making and intelligence information flow.

But it is worse still knowing their cabinet is full of slimy and evil goons.

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infinity ag said:

Stlkofta said:

Surrendering to the Taliban.

Paying tribute to Iran.

Funding Hamas….from Day One.

This the worst foreign policy POTUS we have ever had and it isn't close.



Well, admit it. All Presidents, both D and R have done things like this. We funded terrorism in Pakistan as well as long as it did not touch us.
On the economic front, we built up China until they became the global menace they are today.


I never understood our war on communism concurrent with the efforts to normalize relations with China in the 1970s.
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infinity ag said:

Stlkofta said:

Surrendering to the Taliban.

Paying tribute to Iran.

Funding Hamas….from Day One.

This the worst foreign policy POTUS we have ever had and it isn't close.



Well, admit it. All Presidents, both D and R have done things like this. We funded terrorism in Pakistan as well as long as it did not touch us.
On the economic front, we built up China until they became the global menace they are today.
Biden is not getting a pass on this or any of his other foreign policy failures with the claim "they all do it."

Even Obama didn't surrender to the Taliban.

With regard to Pakistan, you sometimes have to deal with a slime nation in order to advance overall foreign policy goals. Pakistan was essential to the planning and development of Afghanistan operations and could have been a far bigger issue for us and our assets in that country.

Saudi Arabia aren't princes amongst nations and we all know that. But as a counter to Iran, who is a far more dangerous nation to American foreign policy interests, the Saudis have to be in our equation warts and all.

What was the foreign policy benefit to funding Hamas? What was the foreign policy benefit of funding Iran under Obama and now Biden?

As far as the CCP, only one President authorized the mass transfer of technology allowing the Chinese to be where they are today. That was a Democrat as well. After Nixon, the interest was primarily in opening China to American overseas business with an eye towards countering the Soviets in the Cold War era. In other words, that market-oriented interest represented a return to an American foreign policy goal that existed from the very founding of our nation.

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"Pakistan was essential to the planning and development of Afghanistan operations and could have been a far bigger issue for us and our assets in that country"

End result? A failed war with needless loss of US Servicemen and women that went on far too long.
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jagvocate said:

"Pakistan was essential to the planning and development of Afghanistan operations and could have been a far bigger issue for us and our assets in that country"

End result? A failed war with needless loss of US Servicemen and women that went on far too long.
Ignore the man who made it happen.

That was a COIN operation. It did not have to end that way but for the current President who decided to make sure the Afghan government couldn't win it.

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It was reported a couple of days ago that Israel apparently has a $2B line to the US for armament as insurance. There was speculation that we diverted most of these arms to Ukraine. That may be where the 80% is coming from and shouldn't be surprising if we did that. Because....Biden.

On the hostages, it sounds like they are all still in Gaza. A Hamas spokesman said they had spread them throughout Gaza as a deterrent to Israel coming into Gaza - WSJ.

On a personal note, we moved out of Dallas last week to a small town. Very happy about that.
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The Afghanistan cards had been dealt long before then. We were funneling money to a fake army that existed only on paper. The Afghanistan papers were leaked in (iirc) 2011, but no one reported on it. The CIA and DOD knew that the Afghani Army was a walking pile of crap and couldn't do anything, but at the same time we're telling the public and Congress that everything was going great.
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Just heard from a dear friend of mine who retired from the Israeli army, she's on standby, in case Israel calls up veterans. She's currently making arrangements in case she has to bug out.
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Not a Bot said:

The Afghanistan cards had been dealt long before then. We were funneling money to a fake army that existed only on paper. The Afghanistan papers were leaked in (iirc) 2011, but no one reported on it. The CIA and DOD knew that the Afghani Army was a walking pile of crap and couldn't do anything, but at the same time we're telling the public and Congress that everything was going great.
Yeah. That is why no Taliban offensive ever got that far off the ground while Trump was President.

SIGAR reports point to the effectiveness of the Afghan Air Force and the Afghan Special Forces. The main body ANA was not all that good. But it was good enough to fight in the way we trained it to fight.

President Biden took away logistical funding from the two most effective segments of the Afghan military structure we built and trained in our way of fighting. That created the conditions for an effective Taliban offensive, as President Biden and his team stripped the Afghan military of its ability to fight as we had spent decades training it to fight.

Now we see the consequences of Biden's surrender to the Taliban at work here in tandem with his ridiculous decisions to fund Hamas and pay tribute to Iran. The chickens for a weak and insidious President have come home to roost.

No amount of blame-shifting is going to save him from the fact he is as terrible a President as he is a human being.

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