Israel/Hamas going at it

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The Palestinians are more valuable to the Arab world as a problem than they are as a free people.
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bthotugigem05 said:

The Palestinians are more valuable to the Arab world as a problem than they are as a free people.
The Palestinians are their own worst enemy. Gaza has been free of Israeli control since 2005, subsidized with utilities by Israel, and swamped with $Billion$ in international financial aid. A moral people would seek to prosper themselves by non-violent means. They could have established a tourism or agricultural economy. But rather than living side by side in peace with Israel, they persist in indoctrinating their children into carrying out the worst in human atrocities. When given the chance to govern themselves, they elect Hamas as their representatives. There wouldn't even be border restrictions if these folks were not constantly smuggling arms and being useful pawns of Iran.
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The Pentagon, on Monday, issued orders to 2,000 troops to prepare for immediate deployment to the Middle East in response to rising security threats to American interests in the region due to the Israel-Hamas War. The makeup of the forces includes medical personnel, explosive ordinance disposal units, and other various security personnel to bolster the security at key American facilities in the region.
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The Pentagon stated that these forces, who would be coming from existing bases in the region and Europe, would not deploy into Israel itself. Rather, they would go to other countries in the region. However, White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said recently that the administration has not ruled out the possibility of US forces being used inside Israel and/or Gaza in order to effect the release of American Hostages inside Gaza.

The Pentagon has already issued deployment orders to two American Carrier Strike Groups, consisting of the USS Gerald Ford Carrier Strike Group 12 out of the 6th Fleet, which is made up of the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford, with its eight squadrons of attack and support aircraft, and the Ticonderoga class guided missile cruiser USS Normandy, as well as the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers USS Thomas Hudner, USS Ramage, USS Carney, and USS Roosevelt. The other Carrier Strike Group consists of the 5th Fleet's USS Eisenhower, the guided missile cruiser USS Philippine Sea, and the guided missile destroyers USS Laboon, USS Mason, and USS Gravely.
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In addition to the Carrier strike groups, the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit Special Operations Capable (MEUSOC) is also on its way to the region from its bases in Kuwait, onboard the Amphibious Assault Ship USS Bataan. The 26th MEUSOC is comprised of roughly 2,400 Marines and Sailors and is formed from aviation units flying the F-35B, MV-22 Ospreys, and other helicopters, an infantry battalion, with supporting artillery and track units, in addition to whatever special operations forces they may have attached.

All total, there is an immense amount of American Naval and Marine Corps firepower headed toward the region. That doesn't even include the numerous Air Force squadrons also being deployed in the region as well. With the war in its 10th day now, and no signs of stopping anytime soon, the US is gearing up to defend Israel if Hezbollah forces out of Lebanon live up to their threat to attack and or invade Israel from the North if Israel does not stop their offensive. Iran has seemed to back down from their threats to attack Israel if they continued their assault.
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Rossticus said:




I have no idea what all the back room stategies are or the immense pressures being applied, but seems to me that Israel needs to move and move quickly. Every minute they wait, their enemies are driving a narrative and building support against full Israeli retaliation. Their threats of entering the conflict, whether true or bluffing, will cause Israel's allies to reconsider their support of total destruction of Hamas in Gaza. They may never have another opportunity like this to land a real and lasting blow to these butchers.
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Pressure from all sides. Question is how much does Israel care?





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Our feckless leaders doing everything they can to control the situation.

They have zero clue on what to do but think they know it all.
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Ag In Ok said:

I have a question for you hardest working Ags in O&G - how accurate is ground penetrating radar and how effective is airborne GPR?
Shooting from the hip here. I think if you have a good ground penetrating radar that is AT ground level in a relatively open area, any tunnels should be easy to find.

I don't know how effective it could be if mounted on an airplane even at a low altitude, especially in an urban area with a lot of buildings. Or rubble that used to be buildings. You would have to consider how the signal travels through the air, through the ground, and what it does at the air/ground interface.
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CDUB98 said:

Kceovaisnt- said:

Why is he covering his face? His name is listed in the description. Covid?


Might as well be Jack Smith with that name...also, no guarantee it is his real name.


Probably so you don't recognize him when he is blending in with, and trying to look like, non-combatants.
Hence, they can't be trusted regardless of uniform.
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In a humanitarian play, they could fill them entirely for non-potable use throughout Gaza.

This is a relatively easy issue. The larger question of what comes after Hamas is the real issue. Do they let PA take over despite the lack of public support?
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The longer they wait for any reason the longer Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran have to prepare.

They should have gone in day one and started wrecking face.
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fixer said:

The longer they wait for any reason the longer Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran have to prepare.

They should have gone in day one and started wrecking face.


How well is Hamas preparing with no/limited food or water or power?
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Catag94 said:

fixer said:

The longer they wait for any reason the longer Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran have to prepare.

They should have gone in day one and started wrecking face.


How well is Hamas preparing with no/limited food or water or power?
Their crops are growing more and more... Oh wait.
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I'm sure they are doing whatever they can to better prepare for a ground war.


Every day is another they have to plan. And make arrangements with Iran and Hezbollah.
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fixer said:

I'm sure they are doing whatever they can to better prepare for a ground war.


Every day is another they have to plan. And make arrangements with Iran and Hezbollah.


Understand. But unless they have stores of fuel and generators, they will be pretty low tech soon.
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Catag94 said:

fixer said:

I'm sure they are doing whatever they can to better prepare for a ground war.


Every day is another they have to plan. And make arrangements with Iran and Hezbollah.


Understand. But unless they have stores of fuel and generators, they will be pretty low tech soon.
They do.
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Hamas did this fully expecting Israel to respond with a devastating ground attack and possible occupation. They wanted to do something so horrible that it would leave Israel no choice.

I wonder what would happen if Israel decides to call it a day with some more aerial bombardment, trying to pick off more of the Hamas leadership without any boots on the ground in numbers?

Hamas wouldn't get their world wide outrage at Israeli "atrocities" in Gaza and maybe the peace process with Saudi Arabia (what kicked this off) could continue.
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So Iran is sending mixed signals?!?
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Catag94 said:

So Iran is sending mixed signals?!?
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Different article than the one I posted a few days ago. What happened when Egypt flooded the border tunnels: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/world/middleeast/as-egypt-floods-gaza-tunnels-smugglers-fear-an-end-to-their-trade.html

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"This is the end for us," said Abu Jazar, a 42-year-old smuggler, who, like others interviewed for this article, declined to give his full name out of fear that the Egyptian authorities might identify him. "If they were bombing us, we could fix it."
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fixer said:

The longer they wait for any reason the longer Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran have to prepare.

They should have gone in day one and started wrecking face.

We know they've been preparing for a year or two. What does an extra week get them? Especially if that week includes 8000 air strikes?
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Didn't go well for the terrorist

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Imo no chance this happens if they've already started a push into Gaza, so they must've agreed to wait at least that long

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captkirk said:

Didn't go well for the terrorist




I love happy endings.
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captkirk said:

Didn't go well for the terrorist




Perfect.
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The telegram posted earlier had this in there, and another one. Crazy watching them get taken out. Barely had time to say prayers.

Watched another dude get taken out, asking for help or something, and his democrat, I mean Hamas, comrades looted him for ammo and stuff. Quite the gang
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/blinken-slated-to-make-late-night-statement-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-for-eight-hours/


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US Secretary of State Antony Blinken is slated to make a late-night statement from the US Embassy's branch office in Tel Aviv after meeting with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet for nearly eight hours at the IDF's Kirya military headquarters nearby.

Say one thing in public. Ask for something else in private.

I don't know how you can possibly ask the Israelis to deal with a ridiculous concept of "proportionality" after what happened on October 7.

But here we are, trying to tell Israel to treat Hamas and Gaza with kid gloves.

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PJYoung said:

Hamas did this fully expecting Israel to respond with a devastating ground attack and possible occupation. They wanted to do something so horrible that it would leave Israel no choice.

I wonder what would happen if Israel decides to call it a day with some more aerial bombardment, trying to pick off more of the Hamas leadership without any boots on the ground in numbers?

Hamas wouldn't get their world wide outrage at Israeli "atrocities" in Gaza and maybe the peace process with Saudi Arabia (what kicked this off) could continue.
I think the peace process will continue, but it's on an understandable hold right now. SA knows as well as everyone else that this was orchestrated by their enemy Iran precisely to derail it. But, there's no way it can continue AT THIS TIME.

Let the dust settle and some time pass and I think they'll resume the process...
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Stlkofta said:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/blinken-slated-to-make-late-night-statement-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-for-eight-hours/


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US Secretary of State Antony Blinken is slated to make a late-night statement from the US Embassy's branch office in Tel Aviv after meeting with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet for nearly eight hours at the IDF's Kirya military headquarters nearby.

Say one thing in public. Ask for something else in private.

I don't know how you can possibly ask the Israelis to deal with a ridiculous concept of "proportionality" after what happened on October 7.

But here we are, trying to tell Israel to treat Hamas and Gaza with kid gloves.


Israel dithered and Hamas and Iran will benefit as will Jordan, Syria, and Egypt because the Gazans will stay where they are. If the offensive is called off Iran is going to crow about it. Hamas will be seen by Palestinians as having stared down the IDF. Imagine how China will interpret this weakness as they look across the straight towards Taiwan. Weakness put the world in this situation and weakness will make it worse.
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HumpitPuryear said:

Stlkofta said:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/blinken-slated-to-make-late-night-statement-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-for-eight-hours/


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US Secretary of State Antony Blinken is slated to make a late-night statement from the US Embassy's branch office in Tel Aviv after meeting with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet for nearly eight hours at the IDF's Kirya military headquarters nearby.

Say one thing in public. Ask for something else in private.

I don't know how you can possibly ask the Israelis to deal with a ridiculous concept of "proportionality" after what happened on October 7.

But here we are, trying to tell Israel to treat Hamas and Gaza with kid gloves.


Israel dithered and Hamas and Iran will benefit as will Jordan, Syria, and Egypt because the Gazans will stay where they are. If the offensive is called off Iran is going to crow about it. Hamas will be seen by Palestinians as having stared down the IDF. Imagine how China will interpret this weakness as they look across the straight towards Taiwan. Weakness put the world in this situation and weakness will make it worse.


Yep they still have to eradicate Hamas as best they can. No questions asked
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Catag94 said:

So Iran is sending mixed signals?!?
Nothing a few Billions of dollars wouldn't fix
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