My position is yes. Basically you have people who are XX and XY. This is sex. If their gender identity deviates from this, they are suffering from gender dysphoria as a general rule. No one is required to participate in someone else's gender dysphoria.


Any valid arguments against this position?

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Well, genuine question here....what else would it be?

I believe that it is.

FTR, homosexuality used to also be considered a mental illness.

There is no valid rebuttal. Mental health professionals understood this forever, but have been bullied into supporting an obvious lie by the out of control PC mob.

If you're born with a Dick and claim to be a girl, you are ****ing crazy.

Yes.

Yes

Gender Dysphoria has always been considered a mental illness affecting roughly less than one half of one percent of a given population. It is very treatable and most people afflicted by it (genuinely) move on from it in adulthood.

The problem as it stands now is that it being celebrated as both normal and heroic and young people are falsely identifying as trans for attention or a sense of belonging to an aggrieved class. Worse still, liberal parents (mostly white libs) projecting their own need to virtue signal on to there young kids and claiming they are trans (which is just criminal).

1a) Weak ass, ****ty parents

1b) Insanity with a shot of narcissism

When your culture assigns increased social value to victimhood status, people claiming mental illnesses will increase at exponential rates in order to cash in.

I wrote a poem that touches on this issue:

Before the transition they were suicidal
...After the transition they were homicidal
your big fat mom eats a sh!+-ton of toaster strudels


happy Friday. Beat those hogs

Here is the link to the condition at the APA website.

American Psychiatric Association

It is what you would expect and mirrors view on this thread.

There is one piece that caught my eye. If you look under terminology, when gender dysphoria is described, it has the following definition:

• Gender dysphoria: A concept designated in the DSM-5-TR as clinically significant distress or impairment related to gender incongruence, which may include desire to change primary and/or secondary sex characteristics. Not all transgender or gender diverse people experience gender dysphoria.

Is this bowing to the PC woke brigade or is there some validity in what is in bolded above?

It's absolutely a mental illness.

That doesn't make the person any less valid or important. They just need help.

Validating their delusions only hurts them.

Is there anyway to know what the definition was from lets say 20 years ago, if that last line was added since then, we have your answer.

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Is there anyway to know what the definition was from lets say 20 years ago, if that last line was added since then, we have your answer.

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I was reading between the lines there. It may be a sane person/professional referring to a mass cultural delusion in a neutral way.

like a 500% increase. seems more engineered than organic

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like a 500% increase. seems more engineered than organic

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I'd say the majority claiming they have it are doing it for social clout and attention. That's why you're seeing it in record numbers in young, confused people that need attention.

People who wish not to conform to tired, old gender stereotypes laid down by society are not mentally ill.

Is this really a question?! Yes

Yes.

No debate.

Bubblez said:

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People who wish not to conform to tired, old gender stereotypes laid down by society are not mentally ill.

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Is gender a social construct or a provable scientific fact?

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You should get a ban for that. That's in my brain now.

Let us consult experts on the topic.

Bubblez said:

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People who wish not to conform to tired, old gender stereotypes laid down by society are not mentally ill.

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Perhaps the biggest indicator of a mental illness is having suicidal ideations. In fact, it's always one of the first questions asked to you when you're being seen by a psychiatrist for the first time, because it is a clear indication of a brain that isn't working properly. Afterall, suicide goes against our most basic instinct which is survival.

Explain then why trans people and those with gender dysphoria have astronomical suicide rates compared to the rest of the population if they are of sound mind.

it's a mental illness and spiritual issue

It is important to note that mental illness and psychological disorder are not synonymous. However, it is found in the DSM-5:

Gender Dysphoria in Adolescents and Adults - 302.85 (F64.1)

A. A marked incongruence between one's experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least 6 months duration, as manifested by at least two of the following:

1. A marked incongruence between one's experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics).
2. A strong desire to be rid of one's primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one's experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics).
3. A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender.
4. A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one's assigned gender).
5. A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one's assigned gender).
6. A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one's assigned gender).

B. . The condition is associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

American Psychiatric Association. Desk Reference to the Diagnostic Criteria : from DSM-5 by American Psychiatric Association (p. 215). Kindle Edition.

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Bubblez said:

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People who wish not to conform to tired, old gender stereotypes laid down by society are not mentally ill.

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Is gender a social construct or a provable scientific fact?

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Gender is a social construct. Sex is biological.

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Bubblez said:

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People who wish not to conform to tired, old gender stereotypes laid down by society are not mentally ill.

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Is gender a social construct or a provable scientific fact?

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Gender is a social construct. Sex is biological.

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So then if most of society for the past 30,000 years and 99% of all other species agrees that there are only two genders, then anyone arguing differently would be wrong, correct?

I tend to think homosexuality is a mental illness, even though it was de-categorized as one in the 70's or 80's I believe. I could be wrong, just naturally seems like one to me. I lived in the Heights/Montrose area for the better part of a decade. you observe a lot about certain types of people and their general behavior over the years. If someone with mild OCD or depression or ADD or anxiety has a "mental illness"...it would stand to reason that a super dramatic flamboyant man who finds men attractive does as well.

But Gender Dysphoria...ABSOLUTELY, zero doubt in my mind. I predict they will decategorize it as such within the next few years, because science is dead, but nothing will ever change my mind.

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Bubblez said:

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People who wish not to conform to tired, old gender stereotypes laid down by society are not mentally ill.

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Is gender a social construct or a provable scientific fact?

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Gender is a social construct. Sex is biological.

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Pretty sure the narrative has moved beyond that temporary distinction at this point. It was used to get the foot in the door, but the demands are now full acceptance. Ex: "Trans women are women" or "some men can get pregnant."

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Bubblez said:

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People who wish not to conform to tired, old gender stereotypes laid down by society are not mentally ill.

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Perhaps the biggest indicator of a mental illness is having suicidal ideations. In fact, it's always one of the first questions asked to you when you're being seen by a psychiatrist for the first time, because it is a clear indication of a brain that isn't working properly. Afterall, suicide goes against our most basic instinct which is survival.

Explain then why trans people and those with gender dysphoria have astronomical suicide rates compared to the rest of the population if they are of sound mind.

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Great points. The left would argue that it is YOUR fault that they are suicidal, for not accepting that men can get pregnant and breastfeed and shatter womens' faces in t e octagon and shower/change with them in the locker room. For not adoring them and considering them "heroes". They kill themselves in high numbers because of YOU.

Here is something I found online about separating sex and gender.

Interesting read to say the least.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/sex-gender-identity

Yes

Bubblez said:

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People who wish not to conform to tired, old gender stereotypes laid down by society are not mentally ill.

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lol.

Gonna resist saying what's deserved here so I'm not banned.

In my uneducated opinion, yes.