How does this pass a 2nd amendment test of "shall not be infringed"? Since the tax is not general and is targeted at the 2nd amendment right.TRIDENT said:
Poll tax for gun buyers
Cali passes first statewide excise tax on guns/ammo
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Hopefully this gets struck down and the "stamp" on cans and barrel lengths goes down with it!
This used to be a Chris Rock joke.
We don't need gun control. We need bullet control. We'd have a lot less killin' if bullets cost a thousand dollars.
"Yo man, I'd bust a cap in your ass if I had the money. Don't be 'round here when my check comes in."
We don't need gun control. We need bullet control. We'd have a lot less killin' if bullets cost a thousand dollars.
"Yo man, I'd bust a cap in your ass if I had the money. Don't be 'round here when my check comes in."
Bubblez said:
Taxing alcohol is not prohibition
There's no right to alcohol spelled out in the constitution. But, you know that
This brings up a point. If a California resident buys a few boxes of 9mm ammo in Arizona for personal use and takes it home, can California interfere in interstate commerce to seize his ammunition? Or can they merely insist on sales taxes?
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schwabbin said:
Go ahead and tax free speech while you're at it. We don't need all these lol poors around here spouting off.
Wouldn't be surprised for them to tax that. A per tweet, Facebook, Instagram post tax to quell "disinformation" would not shock me
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3401119/replies/65651115
I was recently told that "shall not be infringed" is a lazy meaningless response. You guys apparently can do better.
I was recently told that "shall not be infringed" is a lazy meaningless response. You guys apparently can do better.
Now do Pittman-Robertson...
We all pay a federal excise tax now, kinda surprised these lefty states hadn't thought of this yet.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman%E2%80%93Robertson_Federal_Aid_in_Wildlife_Restoration_Act
We all pay a federal excise tax now, kinda surprised these lefty states hadn't thought of this yet.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman%E2%80%93Robertson_Federal_Aid_in_Wildlife_Restoration_Act
I seem to remember a group of guys that snuck onto a ship and threw it's load of tea into the harbor to protest what they thought an unjust tax. That incident escalated into a revolution.
The Constitution doesn't say your right to be a drunk shall not be infringedBubblez said:
Taxing alcohol is not prohibition
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Time to bootleg bullets into Cali!
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It takes much more training to achieve the professional licensing needed for my trade than it does for any basically untrained person to acquire a firearm.Logos Stick said:
"California will become the first state in the nation to impose an excise tax on gun and ammunition sales under a measure signed into law Tuesday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.
Starting next July, the state will collect an 11% tax on retail sales of guns, gun parts and ammunition."
Gavin calls it a sin tax:
"This is not a general income tax, it's not a corporate tax, it's from my perspective more of a sin tax,"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-enacts-first-statewide-gun-and-ammunition-tax-in-u-s-a36201f8
Yes, you have the right to bear arms, but you can't afford to.
If you are conservative, my rec would be to leave Cali asap.
I am not sure how much sense that makes.
“A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for... is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free.”
— John Stuart Mill----On Liberty
— John Stuart Mill----On Liberty
But he's moving to the middle!
It will be challenged once it goes into effect.doubledog said:How does this pass a 2nd amendment test of "shall not be infringed"? Since the tax is not general and is targeted at the 2nd amendment right.TRIDENT said:
Poll tax for gun buyers
It's just a sin tax.Logos Stick said:Bubblez said:
Taxing alcohol is not prohibition
So you would be ok with a poll tax?
For the sin of exercising your Constitutional right.
Should be declared unconstitutional.Logos Stick said:
"California will become the first state in the nation to impose an excise tax on gun and ammunition sales under a measure signed into law Tuesday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.
Starting next July, the state will collect an 11% tax on retail sales of guns, gun parts and ammunition."
Gavin calls it a sin tax:
"This is not a general income tax, it's not a corporate tax, it's from my perspective more of a sin tax,"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-enacts-first-statewide-gun-and-ammunition-tax-in-u-s-a36201f8
Yes, you have the right to bear arms, but you can't afford to.
If you are conservative, my rec would be to leave Cali asap.
"sin" taxes in general should be unconstitutional anyways. Even those on liquor and tobacco. Cause it opens the door to taxing anything the government deems is 'dangerous'
Give it a little critical thinking and you can probably figure it out. But with your post, I doubt it.Bill Clinternet said:It takes much more training to achieve the professional licensing needed for my trade than it does for any basically untrained person to acquire a firearm.Logos Stick said:
"California will become the first state in the nation to impose an excise tax on gun and ammunition sales under a measure signed into law Tuesday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.
Starting next July, the state will collect an 11% tax on retail sales of guns, gun parts and ammunition."
Gavin calls it a sin tax:
"This is not a general income tax, it's not a corporate tax, it's from my perspective more of a sin tax,"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-enacts-first-statewide-gun-and-ammunition-tax-in-u-s-a36201f8
Yes, you have the right to bear arms, but you can't afford to.
If you are conservative, my rec would be to leave Cali asap.
I am not sure how much sense that makes.
RGLAG85 said:Give it a little critical thinking and you can probably figure it out. But with your post, I doubt it.Bill Clinternet said:It takes much more training to achieve the professional licensing needed for my trade than it does for any basically untrained person to acquire a firearm.Logos Stick said:
"California will become the first state in the nation to impose an excise tax on gun and ammunition sales under a measure signed into law Tuesday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.
Starting next July, the state will collect an 11% tax on retail sales of guns, gun parts and ammunition."
Gavin calls it a sin tax:
"This is not a general income tax, it's not a corporate tax, it's from my perspective more of a sin tax,"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-enacts-first-statewide-gun-and-ammunition-tax-in-u-s-a36201f8
Yes, you have the right to bear arms, but you can't afford to.
If you are conservative, my rec would be to leave Cali asap.
I am not sure how much sense that makes.
Fully aware of your reasoning. It's sound. Spartans and the Swiss were/are required to train. So should Americans.
“A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for... is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free.”
— John Stuart Mill----On Liberty
— John Stuart Mill----On Liberty
Bill Clinternet said:It takes much more training to achieve the professional licensing needed for my trade than it does for any basically untrained person to acquire a firearm.Logos Stick said:
"California will become the first state in the nation to impose an excise tax on gun and ammunition sales under a measure signed into law Tuesday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.
Starting next July, the state will collect an 11% tax on retail sales of guns, gun parts and ammunition."
Gavin calls it a sin tax:
"This is not a general income tax, it's not a corporate tax, it's from my perspective more of a sin tax,"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-enacts-first-statewide-gun-and-ammunition-tax-in-u-s-a36201f8
Yes, you have the right to bear arms, but you can't afford to.
If you are conservative, my rec would be to leave Cali asap.
I am not sure how much sense that makes.
The founders of our nation clearly laid out their reasoning for individuals to be armed. If you can't find the sense in that versus being a licensed professional, I think you should forfeit your license. One of the foundation principles of having a license to practice is to protect the public interest and you clearly have no interest in that.
Owning alcohol is not a fundamental liberty enshrined in the Constitution. Owning firearms isBubblez said:
Taxing alcohol is not prohibition
If I were a lawyer arguing against this in court, I'd probably just say "McDonald v Chicago, McCulloch v Maryland," and go sit back down. Pretty easy case, it seems to me.
Individual ownership of firearms is constitutionally protected.
The power to tax is the power to destroy.
Done.
Individual ownership of firearms is constitutionally protected.
The power to tax is the power to destroy.
Done.
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Bill Clinternet said:RGLAG85 said:Give it a little critical thinking and you can probably figure it out. But with your post, I doubt it.Bill Clinternet said:It takes much more training to achieve the professional licensing needed for my trade than it does for any basically untrained person to acquire a firearm.Logos Stick said:
"California will become the first state in the nation to impose an excise tax on gun and ammunition sales under a measure signed into law Tuesday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.
Starting next July, the state will collect an 11% tax on retail sales of guns, gun parts and ammunition."
Gavin calls it a sin tax:
"This is not a general income tax, it's not a corporate tax, it's from my perspective more of a sin tax,"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-enacts-first-statewide-gun-and-ammunition-tax-in-u-s-a36201f8
Yes, you have the right to bear arms, but you can't afford to.
If you are conservative, my rec would be to leave Cali asap.
I am not sure how much sense that makes.
Fully aware of your reasoning. It's sound. Spartans and the Swiss were/are required to train. So should Americans.
They were/are also required to be armed. Maybe Americans should be, also.
FYI there is an 11% federal tax embedded in firearm prices already. It is levied directly on the manufacturers.
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They can't tax gun ownership, but they can tax guns and ammo.
They can't poll tax, but can they tax ballots and pens?
They can't poll tax, but can they tax ballots and pens?
Bill Clinternet said:It takes much more training to achieve the professional licensing needed for my trade than it does for any basically untrained person to acquire a firearm.Logos Stick said:
"California will become the first state in the nation to impose an excise tax on gun and ammunition sales under a measure signed into law Tuesday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.
Starting next July, the state will collect an 11% tax on retail sales of guns, gun parts and ammunition."
Gavin calls it a sin tax:
"This is not a general income tax, it's not a corporate tax, it's from my perspective more of a sin tax,"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-enacts-first-statewide-gun-and-ammunition-tax-in-u-s-a36201f8
Yes, you have the right to bear arms, but you can't afford to.
If you are conservative, my rec would be to leave Cali asap.
I am not sure how much sense that makes.
How does training law abiding citizens on firearms prevent criminals from using guns in crimes?
Can you show us the statistics on gun deaths due to law abiding citizens misusing guns because of lack of training?
Thanks.
A lotta ammo shops are going to open on the California border now...
Well, on the positive side, the tax money will be used to help schools fortify themselves to protect against mass shootings. I mean, that was always a talking point, that schools need more protection.
I wonder if this might backfire on them, as the state might wind up wanting to maximize revenues so taxes won't go 'too high' to actually suppress demand.
Opalka said:
Well, on the positive side, the tax money will be used to help schools fortify themselves to protect against mass shootings. I mean, that was always a talking point, that schools need more protection.
Poll taxes would allow for a lot more voting locations too. Glad you are on board.
Opalka said:
Well, on the positive side, the tax money will be used to help schools fortify themselves to protect against mass shootings. I mean, that was always a talking point, that schools need more protection.
Like how the lottery is a tax on stupidity and revenue is supposed to go to schools, but it doesn't.
Like how the tobacco settlement was supposed to go to healthcare, but it doesn't.
In California districts, I fully expect those fortification/improvements to involve free needle dispensaries on campuses and some sort of pornographic GLBTQ safe room for each school or something insane like that.Burdizzo said:Opalka said:
Well, on the positive side, the tax money will be used to help schools fortify themselves to protect against mass shootings. I mean, that was always a talking point, that schools need more protection.
Like how the lottery is a tax on stupidity and revenue is supposed to go to schools, but it doesn't.
Like how the tobacco settlement was supposed to go to healthcare, but it doesn't.
I've paid sales tax on every gun/ammo purchase I've made.The System said:
Seems like something the courts would strike down…you know…the whole "shall not be infringed" thing. A sin tax on a constitutional right seems…unconstitutional.
How is this different?
IIRC, you cannot purchase a pistol with an out of state DL (?)DD88 said:
If upheld, this will just drive up sales outside the state. Stores will pop up near the borders.
Meh
Govt taxes all kinds of stuff
Smokes
Booze
FHP
Ammo
Property
Just another day
Govt taxes all kinds of stuff
Smokes
Booze
FHP
Ammo
Property
Just another day
Bubblez said:
Taxing alcohol is not prohibition
What amendment guarantees the right to alcohol?
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