Per WaPo and ABC polls. GOP challengers need to get behind Trump. If they'll all get behind him, I'm not sure the dems can cheat themselves out of this one.

Hmmm... not sure I'm buying it.

Link? Or this thread will be locked, you know that.

So, link?

I don't think there's enough weed in the world to get me high enough to believe that.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-leads-biden-2024-poll-potential-outlier-washington-post-abc-2023-9?amp

taterchip said:

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Per WaPo and ABC polls. GOP challengers need to get behind Trump. If they'll all get behind him, I'm not sure the dems can cheat themselves out of this one.

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Saw that, uh sure. Trump apparently has made a miraculous 22 point swing with Independents and women love him.

Apparently winning Youth vote by 15 now too. K.

I believe these polls less and less every day. They are running counter to everything logical.

aggie93 said:

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taterchip said:

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Per WaPo and ABC polls. GOP challengers need to get behind Trump. If they'll all get behind him, I'm not sure the dems can cheat themselves out of this one.

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Saw that, uh sure. Trump apparently has made a miraculous 22 point swing with Independents and women love him.

I believe these polls less and less every day. They are running counter to everything logical.

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Really? Just the opposite is true. Anyone running against Trump, thinking they're going to win, is illogical. You must live at the Desantis campaign HC.

ORANGE MAN CAN NEVER WIN THEY SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did WaPo and ABC News include suitcases full of blank mail-in ballots in their poll? If not, I'm afraid those numbers don't matter much.

Wrong.

The wheels of the Dominion machines go wrrrr wrrrr wrrrr…wrrrr wrrrr wrrrr

Never ever doubt the democrat cheating game. They've mastered it. 81 million votes my a…….

taterchip said:

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aggie93 said:

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taterchip said:

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Per WaPo and ABC polls. GOP challengers need to get behind Trump. If they'll all get behind him, I'm not sure the dems can cheat themselves out of this one.

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Saw that, uh sure. Trump apparently has made a miraculous 22 point swing with Independents and women love him.

I believe these polls less and less every day. They are running counter to everything logical.

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Really? Just the opposite is true. Anyone running against Trump, thinking they're going to win, is illogical. You must live at the Desantis campaign HC.

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Look, if Trump is the nominee I will vote for him. I just know those numbers are crap. If you think that suddenly groups that have consistently voted against Trump and that the polls this far out, which can say anything and change later with zero consequences, are accurate that's fine.

Trump has fewer people at his rallies and events than ever. He's making major gaffes regularly. He's got more baggage than ever and won't debate. Yet we are supposed to believe that people can't wait to vote for him. He's spending money attacking DeSantis again even though he claims he isn't a threat. I mean maybe, I'll just wait until the voting happens.

Of course I seriously doubt Biden is the nominee anyway. So much of this is against all conventional wisdom except the media and Dems clearly want Trump as the opponent. Believe what you want.

Ballot harvesters will fix that.

I guess we better run Trump like the left wants us to

Just an observation from where I sit. All the blacks and browns that I work with and that are usually very quiet about politics are now ALL (to a man) on the Trump Train. I'm talking 25-30 guys. This has never happened where I work.

But, unless the ballot cheating is stopped, no (R) will win.

Good help us all if our choices are Biden or Trump.

aggie93 said:

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taterchip said:

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Per WaPo and ABC polls. GOP challengers need to get behind Trump. If they'll all get behind him, I'm not sure the dems can cheat themselves out of this one.

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Saw that, uh sure. Trump apparently has made a miraculous 22 point swing with Independents and women love him.

Apparently winning Youth vote by 15 now too. K.

I believe these polls less and less every day. They are running counter to everything logical.

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Critical thinking isn't a skill that Trumpers exhibit.

If the numbers in this poll were flipped, they'd call it fake news.

They believe two things; anything that looks positive for Trump, and anything Trump tells them.

Everything else is automatically dismissed, generally with infantile derisiveness.

As I said on another thread.

This poll is the definition of push polling. It is all about getting people to support Trump in the primary, thinking he's a shoe in for the general. Right now the Trumpers are having orgasms thinking Trump is going to win 40+ states which is simply not possible for either party anymore. Plus, California, Illinois, and New York ensure Democrats will likely win the worthless popular vote from now on.

Meanwhile, other polls show both geezers at around 40%, and if Trump is convicted, his support craters into the 30s. The Democrats will keep Biden as the nominee as long as they think it is helpful, then comes Newsom or Whitmer.

It doesn't matter what a national poll shows because Trump could be leading Biden 99-1 in every state the Republican is going to win regardless, but still lose the election because in the swing states, the Democrat will defeat Trump, either outright, or because it will be within the margin of fraud.

Once this poll get dissected, it will be shown to be Superfund level trash.

valvemonkey91 said:

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Just an observation from where I sit. All the blacks and browns that I work with and that are usually very quiet about politics are now ALL (to a man) on the Trump Train. I'm talking 25-30 guys. This has never happened where I work.

But, unless the ballot cheating is stopped, no (R) will win.

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Just to tag on to that, another poll had Trump up 16 points with male black voters. 16 points!! I travel around the US, and Trump is overwhelmingly the people's choice. I'm around a lot of hispanic and black folks, and there is a major shift toward Trump among minorities.

Pure pinche Trump!

Brush Country Ag said:

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Puro pinche Trump!

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Grocery checkout lines and paying at the gas pump could be the cause of the swing.

There is no way in the world Trump is +16 among blacks, even just black males.

Democrats will win the black vote 90-95% like always.

Rapier108 said:

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There is no way in the world Trump is +16 among blacks, even just black males.

Democrats will win the black vote 90-95% like always.

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The facts are, Trump won 4% in 2016 and 8% in 2020. Not a far stretch to think he doubled it to 16% now. My observation sure says he has.

taterchip said:

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valvemonkey91 said:

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Just an observation from where I sit. All the blacks and browns that I work with and that are usually very quiet about politics are now ALL (to a man) on the Trump Train. I'm talking 25-30 guys. This has never happened where I work.

But, unless the ballot cheating is stopped, no (R) will win.

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Just to tag on to that, another poll had Trump up 16 points with male black voters. 16 points!! I travel around the US, and Trump is overwhelmingly the people's choice. I'm around a lot of hispanic and black folks, and there is a major shift toward Trump among minorities.

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Lol, just like last time! And in 2022 when the supported all the Trump nominees!

23% of Black males voted Trump in 2020

Yeah, random poster on TA is a better source than decades of voting records, including ones which showed blacks still voting 90%+ Democrat when the polls, and random people on the Internet, said otherwise.

rwtxag83 said:

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23% of Black males voted Trump in 2020

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That is not +16, not even close. Math is hard I guess.

rwtxag83 said:

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23% of Black males voted Trump in 2020

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How about Black women. 5%? Maybe?

In the meantime Trump has decimated the GOP in the Suburbs. You know, the largest voting block that used to lean GOP and now leans Dem? Very winnable votes? Trump is toxic there and especially with women even though many agree with him on a lot of policy.

States that have run good governance types with low drama have crushed it with that voting block (Kemp, Youngkin, DeSantis, Reynolds, etc) and won easily.

Nah, let's hope that suddenly the Black and Youth vote is going MAGA because some polls from people that desperately want Trump to be the nominee are telling us so.

Rapier108 said:

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rwtxag83 said:

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23% of Black males voted Trump in 2020

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That is not +16, not even close. Math is hard I guess.

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2016 4% All black voters (11% males)
2020 8% All black voters (23% males)

Currently, he sits at 39% among black male voters, up 16%.

Wa post? It's a trap!!

Also…we like polls now?

aggie93 said:

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rwtxag83 said:

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23% of Black males voted Trump in 2020

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How about Black women. 5%? Maybe?

In the meantime Trump has decimated the GOP in the Suburbs. You know, the largest voting block that used to lean GOP and now leans Dem? Very winnable votes? Trump is toxic there and especially with women even though many agree with him on a lot of policy.

States that have run good governance types with low drama have crushed it with that voting block (Kemp, Youngkin, DeSantis, Reynolds, etc) and won easily.

Nah, let's hope that suddenly the Black and Youth vote is going MAGA because some polls from people that desperately want Trump to be the nominee are telling us so.

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Assuming the gains are true, the 5 points Trump has lost in white voters more than erases any minority gains Trump made anyway. It's fool's gold.

valvemonkey91 said:

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Just an observation from where I sit. All the blacks and browns that I work with and that are usually very quiet about politics are now ALL (to a man) on the Trump Train. I'm talking 25-30 guys. This has never happened where I work.

But, unless the ballot cheating is stopped, no (R) will win.

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I'm in manufacturing now, and work with a couple hundred. I talk politics and not a single one is a Trump supporter, currently. Most don't have a choice yet, but won't vote for Trump, if they vote at all. I also know a black Floridian who is on the Desantis battleship.

This idea that Trump is winning over groups that have historically disliked him is silly on its face. Polls are almost as good as a ruhtarded person's semi-educated guess. Almost.

I still remember posters saying Trump was going to win 40 states in 2020. It would be Mondale style beat down. Devastate the Democratic Party for years.

Places like NY were going to flip. You'd see. He proceeded to lose NY by 2M votes and a bigger % margin than 2016. Brilliant.