SantaLucia said:

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Why is this funny? This is 100% the future of transportation. It's like laughing at that guy who bought a bicycle while thinking nobody will ever stop riding horses.

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Because the tech is not yet ready for prime time and Austin is letting it happen. It's like watching Hammertech products fail in the Iron Man movies.

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FriendlyAg said:

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Just gonna say it…

If this becomes a thing and no one is in these cars, you'll start to see people vandalize and cause damage to these cars

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This person vandalizing a self-driving Cruise car with a hammer in San Francisco pic.twitter.com/RPcygprWnj

— Levandov (@Levandov_2) September 22, 2023

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Just as effective…

So if I wanted to rob someone in a self driving car it won't take much to stop their car. Ok, got it.

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FriendlyAg said:

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Just gonna say it…

If this becomes a thing and no one is in these cars, you'll start to see people vandalize and cause damage to these cars

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This person vandalizing a self-driving Cruise car with a hammer in San Francisco pic.twitter.com/RPcygprWnj

— Levandov (@Levandov_2) September 22, 2023

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What is the deal with hammer attacks in San Francisco? Seems to be the weapon of choice

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TChaney said:

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FriendlyAg said:

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Just gonna say it…

If this becomes a thing and no one is in these cars, you'll start to see people vandalize and cause damage to these cars

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This person vandalizing a self-driving Cruise car with a hammer in San Francisco pic.twitter.com/RPcygprWnj

— Levandov (@Levandov_2) September 22, 2023

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What is the deal with hammer attacks in San Francisco? Seems to be the weapon of choice

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They carry them with them to break into cars and steal stuff?

SantaLucia said:

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Why is this funny? This is 100% the future of transportation. It's like laughing at that guy who bought a bicycle while thinking nobody will ever stop riding horses.

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But here's the deal - bicycles were an actual improvement over horses in an urban environment

And to attack the wealthy john that stiffed you on your gay prostitute services

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TChaney said:

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FriendlyAg said:

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Just gonna say it…

If this becomes a thing and no one is in these cars, you'll start to see people vandalize and cause damage to these cars

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This person vandalizing a self-driving Cruise car with a hammer in San Francisco pic.twitter.com/RPcygprWnj

— Levandov (@Levandov_2) September 22, 2023

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What is the deal with hammer attacks in San Francisco? Seems to be the weapon of choice

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They have made the city safe from gun crimes by making it difficult for law abiding citizens to carry them. Or something.

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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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SantaLucia said:

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Why is this funny? This is 100% the future of transportation. It's like laughing at that guy who bought a bicycle while thinking nobody will ever stop riding horses.

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Not my future.

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It is if you're under 60. I just got back from Phoenix and these are everywhere. If you use Uber, Lyft or other ride services, you will absolutely be in self-driving cars within a couple of years. They've reported over a million rides already with zero accidents in that market.

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Salute the self-driving cars.

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It's coming. Brace yourself.

1. Vaccines
2. Ukraine
3. Tesla
4. Now this....

The ADHD displayed around this is almost impressive to watch.

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SantaLucia said:

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Why is this funny? This is 100% the future of transportation. It's like laughing at that guy who bought a bicycle while thinking nobody will ever stop riding horses.

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Not my future.

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It is if you're under 60. I just got back from Phoenix and these are everywhere. If you use Uber, Lyft or other ride services, you will absolutely be in self-driving cars within a couple of years. They've reported over a million rides already with zero accidents in that market.

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I've got the employee code for Cruise cars via a friend. Taken a few rides around Houston over the past week. It's a weird but perfectly good experience.


As someone who once got ran over at a crosswalk by a car with a driver, I don't know that I believe these things any less safe even though they're in their infancy.

The only reason I would ever want a self driving car is basically to fulfill a sexual fantasy of mine. I have always thought it would be pretty cool to bang the wife in a moving vehicle. Could make for a fun date night as long as windows are tinted.

Outside of that, I want control, so no thanks. And I like driving.

There are private bedrooms on the train.

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The only reason I would ever want a self driving car is basically to fulfill a sexual fantasy of mine. I have always thought it would be pretty cool to bang the wife in a moving vehicle. Could make for a fun date night as long as windows are tinted.

Outside of that, I want control, so no thanks. And I like driving.

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It's not going to be like the scene in The Chase

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The only reason I would ever want a self driving car is basically to fulfill a sexual fantasy of mine. I have always thought it would be pretty cool to bang the wife in a moving vehicle. Could make for a fun date night as long as windows are tinted.

Outside of that, I want control, so no thanks. And I like driving.

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I get it. I like driving too but I don't like sitting in traffic or creeping down the highway at 30 mph. That's not driving. These have great potential for the commuting space. Override and drive it yourself when you can actually drive

The problem is there won't be an override button available unless the car determines there is a malfunction or it can't decide. Good luck with that.

If it was human controlled by default with a "Nap" or "Drive my drunk ass home" button as an option, there would be much less pushback and adoption would ramp up. People don't want to be forced to give up control.

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The problem is there won't be an override button available unless the car determines there is a malfunction or it can't decide. Good luck with that.

If it was human controlled by default with a "Nap" or "Drive my drunk ass home" button as an option, there would be much less pushback and adoption would ramp up. People don't want to be forced to give up control.

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Getting the general population to buy into autonomy will always be one of the biggest hurdles.

I'm in the unmanned aircraft world and I don't know if many in our industry truly understand that that.

I see it with the EV crowd - EVs can do no wrong and any issues you point out are just hand waved away when they really need to understand that getting population to buy in is more important than all the tech put together.

It's the same with anything to do with autonomy...

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SantaLucia said:

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Why is this funny? This is 100% the future of transportation. It's like laughing at that guy who bought a bicycle while thinking nobody will ever stop riding horses.

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Not my future.

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It is if you're under 60. I just got back from Phoenix and these are everywhere. If you use Uber, Lyft or other ride services, you will absolutely be in self-driving cars within a couple of years. They've reported over a million rides already with zero accidents in that market.

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I think it's highly likely that my profession (law) sees to it that anyone selling these things gets sued to oblivion every time they cause an accident. We are a long ways away from the point where self driving cars can operate in an uncontrolled environment without regular screw ups. What you will probably see, instead, is freeways built for self driving technology, where every driver has to turn over operation to a system where the cars communicate with each other, and maybe with some kind of central traffic control. Absent that, there will be too much liability exposure.

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The car manufacturers of these self driving cars have deep pockets, much deeper than the drivers that cause accidents. It is going to get interesting.

At some point I would bet the Democratic Party leadership will exempt car manufacturers from lawsuits much like they did the mRNA "vaccine" manufacturers.

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Just gonna say it…

If this becomes a thing and no one is in these cars, you'll start to see people vandalize and cause damage to these cars

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In San Francisco people are already putting cones on the car to disrupt the sensors. But they are even further hippy leftists that want to do away with cars entirely

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SantaLucia said:

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Why is this funny? This is 100% the future of transportation. It's like laughing at that guy who bought a bicycle while thinking nobody will ever stop riding horses.

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Not my future.

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It is if you're under 60. I just got back from Phoenix and these are everywhere. If you use Uber, Lyft or other ride services, you will absolutely be in self-driving cars within a couple of years. They've reported over a million rides already with zero accidents in that market.

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Sure pal, we believe you.

Those cruise cars are trash and are terrible compared to the latest tesla beta self driving.

That said, I'd still make it illegal to be driverless, and if you turn it on, you must still be looking at the road with hands on the steering wheel, or it shuts off (stops the car slowly)

How do those driverless cars navigate? Google Maps?

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SantaLucia said:

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Why is this funny? This is 100% the future of transportation. It's like laughing at that guy who bought a bicycle while thinking nobody will ever stop riding horses.

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Not my future.

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It is if you're under 60. I just got back from Phoenix and these are everywhere. If you use Uber, Lyft or other ride services, you will absolutely be in self-driving cars within a couple of years. They've reported over a million rides already with zero accidents in that market.

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As I stated, not my future. And happy for it.

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Someone has to virtue signal.

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SantaLucia said:

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Why is this funny? This is 100% the future of transportation. It's like laughing at that guy who bought a bicycle while thinking nobody will ever stop riding horses.

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Not my future.

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It is if you're under 60. I just got back from Phoenix and these are everywhere. If you use Uber, Lyft or other ride services, you will absolutely be in self-driving cars within a couple of years. They've reported over a million rides already with zero accidents in that market.

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As I stated, not my future. And happy for it.

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Someone has to virtue signal.

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I'll be 60 in a couple of months. No signal from me. I like getting a rental on our vacations so we can go to out of the way locations away from the idiots.

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SantaLucia said:

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Why is this funny? This is 100% the future of transportation. It's like laughing at that guy who bought a bicycle while thinking nobody will ever stop riding horses.

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Because the tech is not yet ready for prime time and Austin is letting it happen.

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They've been employed since last fall in numerous cities.

They are plenty ready.

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SantaLucia said:

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Why is this funny? This is 100% the future of transportation. It's like laughing at that guy who bought a bicycle while thinking nobody will ever stop riding horses.

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Because the tech is not yet ready for prime time and Austin is letting it happen.

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They've been employed since last fall in numerous cities.

They are plenty ready.

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They are?

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A North Carolina woman is suing Google after her husband died after he drove off a collapsed bridge last year while he was following GPS directions, according to a lawsuit filed this week.
Philip Paxson died after he drove off "an unmarked, unbarricaded collapsed bridge" on the night of Sept. 30 in Hickory, his widow, Alicia Paxson, said in the suit, filed Tuesday in Wake County.

Paxson was not aware the bridge had collapsed and was following GPS directions from Google, which had not been updated, the lawsuit says.

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The suit, which alleges negligence, seeks a jury trial. It does not specify a damage amount it is requesting.

It named Alphabet, Google's parent company, and three people who own or control the land on which the bridge on 24th Street Place NE sits.

A large section of the bridge, known as the Snow Creek Bridge, collapsed in 2013 and was never repaired, the lawsuit alleges.

Google Maps directed Paxson to take that route, the suit says, as he drove home on a rainy night from his 9-year-old daughter's birthday party and was killed.

He was the only one in the vehicle, a Jeep Gladiator. He had stayed late to help clean up after the party, and his wife took their two daughters home in a different vehicle, the suit says.

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The suit says a woman had told Google that the bridge was out. That person in 2020 used a "suggest an edit" feature twice and was told in an emailed response that the matter was under review, the lawsuit alleges.

The Paxsons lived a little over 4 miles from where the party occurred, and he was unfamiliar with the area, the suit says. The family moved to Hickory in 2020 after Philip Paxson, a medical device salesman, was promoted, it says.

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The area was unlit and "pitch black at 11:00 p.m." when the crash occurred, the suit alleges. The Jeep went 20 feet down, and Paxson drowned, it says.

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So the old man wasn't driving?

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So the old man wasn't driving?

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He was in his forties and he was driving.

So you are saying diverless cars use another navigation system? I asked previously on this thread for that clarification and to how they navigate. Don't use Google at all?

Some unique situations with that bridge. For some reason, the road was never transferred from the developer to the city or county. They didn't want to spend any money to maintain it, especially after the bridge collapsed. Locals tried to put up barricades, but kids seemed to always take them down.

Lots of finger pointing as to who is responsible. If in fact the developer still owned it, would the road be considered some sort of attractive nuisance? Google is obviously going to be a target because of deep pockets, but I don't see how they can be held liable for every inch of road on the planet.

Seems to me regardless of circumstances, the driver himself had the ultimate responsibility.

It seems MapQuest did know the bridge was out. If you look at Google maps now, for some strange reason it has been updated to show the closed road.



https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/local/catawba-county-nc-bridge-to-nowhere-death-lawsuit/275-417257fe-2437-4241-8fd6-1e036771ae85

There are multiple legal questions regarding this case.

Problem is that Google was repeatedly told the bridge was out. The bridge had been out since 2013. Did the driver even know he was being directed down a private road? Did Google even know that it was a private road? It was a more rural area and Google probably doesn't keep up with those but they were alerted and responded they were reviewing the issue. Did they review it?

NC is a comparative negligence state and it seems there is some fault on multiple sides.

But back to the central question, do driverless cars use that product to navigate?

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Well, they got sued.

And they'll have insurance. I don't get why anyone would root against this.

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It seems MapQuest did know the bridge was out. If you look at Google maps now, for some strange reason it has been updated to show the closed road.

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Well, they got sued.

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I'm sure they're sued often.

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It seems MapQuest did know the bridge was out. If you look at Google maps now, for some strange reason it has been updated to show the closed road.

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Well, they got sued.

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I'm sure they're sued often.

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How many people have they killed through their negligence?

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It seems MapQuest did know the bridge was out. If you look at Google maps now, for some strange reason it has been updated to show the closed road.

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Well, they got sued.

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I'm sure they're sued often.

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How many people have they killed through their negligence?

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I'll have to look through my files to find that number and then I'll get back to you. Negligence will never go away. Driverless cars have the chance to significantly reduce it.

They can't even make a self-shifting transmission that shifts when it's supposed to. Why would anyone think a whole car could drive itself?