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oh no said:

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i know america-hating communists and the brainwashed masses won't care, but


laptop the FBI had since 2019: email detailing equity for company set up to do business in China: "10% held by H for the Big Guy" among several other texts and emails indicating Joe not only knew about H's lucrative overseas business deals, but was involved with them.

Laptop contents released to NY Post and other outlets in 2020 immediately censored by social media at the behest of FBI - proven by Twitter files and Zuckerberg's own admission on JRE - and 50 current and former "intelligence community" officials sign a letter written at the behest of the Biden campaign claiming the laptop was Russian disinformation.


how can the brainwashed masses not only not see that as the worst election interference we've ever seen, but also not see that Joe's corruption has credible evidence and is worth actually investigating?

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Are those our only options? 1) Believe everything said about HB and Sr and all connections or 2) Not believe it because you are an America Hating communist, or 3) Not believe it because you are brainwashed? There's no gray area for the first?
This seems to be the approach these days...You can't be on the right if you remotely question any part of everything we believe (whether its the Biden impeachment, Trump sham investigation, Paxton sham impeachment, 2020 election stolen, etc). Seems we have to be all in or we are 100% not conservatives and are either brainwashed or just plain hat America.
The problem with this is there is a large number of us (republican conservatives who consider each of these things critically but also individually before making an education opinion) who will not be forced to acquiesced to an all or nothing approach to the conspiracies du jour. We are seeing this play out in Congress now with Gaetz vs other Republicans who won't kowtow to his extremist sycophancy toward Trumps whims. This is what will help the Dems win, whether the presidency and/or Congress if we can't figure out how to be cohesive again.

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Okay Mr. Noble Republican. Which parts are true and which are false? Don't sit here and lecture people when you have no suggestions or ideas of your own.

1) was there a laptop?
2) Did it have emails about Hunters business dealings?
3) Did it point to connections with his father or someone above him pulling strings?
4) Did it mention holding out 10% for someone?
5) Did the government try to discredit and cover up the laptop?
6) Did the media aid in said cover up?
7) Did big tech aid in said cover up?
8) Did Hunter belong on the board of an international gas company?
9) Is Ukraine a corrupt country?
10) Did Joe threaten to fire a prosecutor looking into the corruption at the Ukrainian company in which Hunter was on the board?

BluHorseShu said:

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oh no said:

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i know america-hating communists and the brainwashed masses won't care, but

• laptop the FBI had since 2019: email detailing equity for company set up to do business in China: "10% held by H for the Big Guy" among several other texts and emails indicating Joe not only knew about H's lucrative overseas business deals, but was involved with them.

Laptop contents released to NY Post and other outlets in 2020 immediately censored by social media at the behest of FBI - proven by Twitter files and Zuckerberg's own admission on JRE - and 50 current and former "intelligence community" officials sign a letter written at the behest of the Biden campaign claiming the laptop was Russian disinformation.


how can the brainwashed masses not only not see that as the worst election interference we've ever seen, but also not see that Joe's corruption has credible evidence and is worth actually investigating?

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Are those our only options? 1) Believe everything said about HB and Sr and all connections or 2) Not believe it because you are an America Hating communist, or 3) Not believe it because you are brainwashed? There's no gray area for the first?
This seems to be the approach these days...You can't be on the right if you remotely question any part of everything we believe (whether its the Biden impeachment, Trump sham investigation, Paxton sham impeachment, 2020 election stolen, etc). Seems we have to be all in or we are 100% not conservatives and are either brainwashed or just plain hat America.
The problem with this is there is a large number of us (republican conservatives who consider each of these things critically but also individually before making an education opinion) who will not be forced to acquiesced to an all or nothing approach to the conspiracies du jour. We are seeing this play out in Congress now with Gaetz vs other Republicans who won't kowtow to his extremist sycophancy toward Trumps whims. This is what will help the Dems win, whether the presidency and/or Congress if we can't figure out how to be cohesive again.

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ETA: opps vansprinkle already responded

You left out #4
Believe the

• emails written by Hunter regarding paying his dad
• The sworn testimony of IRS whistleblowers regarding SARS
• Believe the testimony by Hunters business partners
• Believe the video of VP Biden saying fire the prosecutor or you ain't getting the money
• Believe the transfers of funds, now above $20 million, into shell companies some this President used with his grandchildren . (Re: using grandchildren is beyond reprehensible)

That is a short list of the evidence

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fka ftc said:

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That law needs to be used to remove just about every elected official in Washington unless that law does not apply to elected officials and only applies to appointed officials and other "employees". For instance, the Hatch Act excludes the POTUS and VP if I recall.

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Not familiar with the Hatch Act but in 5 CFR 2635.702 the President and Vice President are excluded only from

• Part b (b) Appearance of governmental sanction
• Part c (c) Endorsements.

I would presume the President and VP President would still be under the provisions of Part d

• (d) Performance of official duties affecting a private interest. To ensure that the performance of his official duties does not give rise to an appearance of use of public office for private gain or of giving preferential treatment, an employee whose duties would affect the financial interests of a friend, relative or person with whom he is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity shall comply with any applicable requirements of 2635.502.

Any lawyers are welcome to correct me IANAL

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I think you have it right, at least from the IAalsoNAL.

What is interesting about (d) is that is middle of the fairways grounds for impeachment.

So do you impeach him for his time at VP and does that allow for his removal from his now higher office (under the idea they select the prohibited from holding any other high office). That would seem to be an unanswered question unless it has been done in other non-POTUS / VP situations before.

Note that nothing by law prohibits DOJ from bringing charges against POTUS for charges under the 5 CFR 2635.702. The off cited prohibition regarding indicted a sitting POTUS is a DOJ opinion / policy, nothing else. Though we know they always strictly follow policy.

fka ftc said:

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richardag said:

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fka ftc said:

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That law needs to be used to remove just about every elected official in Washington unless that law does not apply to elected officials and only applies to appointed officials and other "employees". For instance, the Hatch Act excludes the POTUS and VP if I recall.

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Not familiar with the Hatch Act but in 5 CFR 2635.702 the President and Vice President are excluded only from

• Part b (b) Appearance of governmental sanction
• Part c (c) Endorsements.

I would presume the President and VP President would still be under the provisions of Part d

• (d) Performance of official duties affecting a private interest. To ensure that the performance of his official duties does not give rise to an appearance of use of public office for private gain or of giving preferential treatment, an employee whose duties would affect the financial interests of a friend, relative or person with whom he is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity shall comply with any applicable requirements of 2635.502.

Any lawyers are welcome to correct me IANAL

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I think you have it right, at least from the IAalsoNAL.

What is interesting about (d) is that is middle of the fairways grounds for impeachment.

So do you impeach him for his time at VP and does that allow for his removal from his now higher office (under the idea they select the prohibited from holding any other high office). That would seem to be an unanswered question unless it has been done in other non-POTUS / VP situations before.

Note that nothing by law prohibits DOJ from bringing charges against POTUS for charges under the 5 CFR 2635.702. The off cited prohibition regarding indicted a sitting POTUS is a DOJ opinion / policy, nothing else. Though we know they always strictly follow policy.

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Good questions, wondering how many payments have been made to the Biden crime syndicate during his term as President?

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Good questions, wondering how many payments have been made to the Biden crime syndicate during his term as President?

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Would help if we knew who was buying Hunter's finger-paintings and blow-art.

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Good questions, wondering how many payments have been made to the Biden crime syndicate during his term as President?

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Would help if we knew who was buying Hunter's finger-paintings and blow-art.

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I mean one has already been outed that showed a clear linkage to a political (or politically related) appointee.

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What did the laptop reveal that was illegal? Body parts? I don't get this whole "laptop" relevance to anything. It definitely has nothing to do with Joe Biden, which I'm sure he is the intended target in the big picture. It's NOT going to work, no matter how "outraged" conservatives act.

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A logical mind would have to contemplate if the laptop was no big deal, why did they try so hard to convince everyone it had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation.

However, I see your musings are unencumbered by such restraints.

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BluHorseShu said:

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oh no said:

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i know america-hating communists and the brainwashed masses won't care, but


laptop the FBI had since 2019: email detailing equity for company set up to do business in China: "10% held by H for the Big Guy" among several other texts and emails indicating Joe not only knew about H's lucrative overseas business deals, but was involved with them.

Laptop contents released to NY Post and other outlets in 2020 immediately censored by social media at the behest of FBI - proven by Twitter files and Zuckerberg's own admission on JRE - and 50 current and former "intelligence community" officials sign a letter written at the behest of the Biden campaign claiming the laptop was Russian disinformation.


how can the brainwashed masses not only not see that as the worst election interference we've ever seen, but also not see that Joe's corruption has credible evidence and is worth actually investigating?

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Are those our only options? 1) Believe everything said about HB and Sr and all connections or 2) Not believe it because you are an America Hating communist, or 3) Not believe it because you are brainwashed? There's no gray area for the first?
This seems to be the approach these days...You can't be on the right if you remotely question any part of everything we believe (whether its the Biden impeachment, Trump sham investigation, Paxton sham impeachment, 2020 election stolen, etc). Seems we have to be all in or we are 100% not conservatives and are either brainwashed or just plain hat America.
The problem with this is there is a large number of us (republican conservatives who consider each of these things critically but also individually before making an education opinion) who will not be forced to acquiesced to an all or nothing approach to the conspiracies du jour. We are seeing this play out in Congress now with Gaetz vs other Republicans who won't kowtow to his extremist sycophancy toward Trumps whims. This is what will help the Dems win, whether the presidency and/or Congress if we can't figure out how to be cohesive again.

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Okay Mr. Noble Republican. Which parts are true and which are false? Don't sit here and lecture people when you have no suggestions or ideas of your own.

1) was there a laptop?
2) Did it have emails about Hunters business dealings?
3) Did it point to connections with his father or someone above him pulling strings?
4) Did it mention holding out 10% for someone?
5) Did the government try to discredit and cover up the laptop?
6) Did the media aid in said cover up?
7) Did big tech aid in said cover up?
8) Did Hunter belong on the board of an international gas company?
9) Is Ukraine a corrupt country?
10) Did Joe threaten to fire a prosecutor looking into the corruption at the Ukrainian company in which Hunter was on the board?

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I never said I didn't think Hunter was likely guilty of much of what he's accused of. I think its highly likely is of of most if not all of them. That wasn't the point of my comments. Though to your point on #10, the Dems make the same argument about Trump trying to get Zelenskiy to investigate Biden. I also don't believe that effort was completely innocuous. And to your point about lecturing....do you not read the majority of posts on F16. That's what happens here.

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Hunter Biden is unfit for office!!!!

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BluHorseShu said:

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oh no said:

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i know america-hating communists and the brainwashed masses won't care, but


laptop the FBI had since 2019: email detailing equity for company set up to do business in China: "10% held by H for the Big Guy" among several other texts and emails indicating Joe not only knew about H's lucrative overseas business deals, but was involved with them.

Laptop contents released to NY Post and other outlets in 2020 immediately censored by social media at the behest of FBI - proven by Twitter files and Zuckerberg's own admission on JRE - and 50 current and former "intelligence community" officials sign a letter written at the behest of the Biden campaign claiming the laptop was Russian disinformation.


how can the brainwashed masses not only not see that as the worst election interference we've ever seen, but also not see that Joe's corruption has credible evidence and is worth actually investigating?

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Are those our only options? 1) Believe everything said about HB and Sr and all connections or 2) Not believe it because you are an America Hating communist, or 3) Not believe it because you are brainwashed? There's no gray area for the first?
This seems to be the approach these days...You can't be on the right if you remotely question any part of everything we believe (whether its the Biden impeachment, Trump sham investigation, Paxton sham impeachment, 2020 election stolen, etc). Seems we have to be all in or we are 100% not conservatives and are either brainwashed or just plain hat America.
The problem with this is there is a large number of us (republican conservatives who consider each of these things critically but also individually before making an education opinion) who will not be forced to acquiesced to an all or nothing approach to the conspiracies du jour. We are seeing this play out in Congress now with Gaetz vs other Republicans who won't kowtow to his extremist sycophancy toward Trumps whims. This is what will help the Dems win, whether the presidency and/or Congress if we can't figure out how to be cohesive again.

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Nobody is buying your "iM A rEpUbLiCaN" schtick.

Opalka said:

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What did the laptop reveal that was illegal? Body parts? I don't get this whole "laptop" relevance to anything. It definitely has nothing to do with Joe Biden, which I'm sure he is the intended target in the big picture. It's NOT going to work, no matter how "outraged" conservatives act.

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In Hunter's own words, he was simply a glorified bag man for the big guy. Its all on the laptop

Opalka said:

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What did the laptop reveal that was illegal? Body parts? I don't get this whole "laptop" relevance to anything. It definitely has nothing to do with Joe Biden, which I'm sure he is the intended target in the big picture. It's NOT going to work, no matter how "outraged" conservatives act.

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Trolling or willfully ignorant?

...truthfully, no one here cares about your $.02 because its obvious you're opposed to knowing the truth and/or discovering the facts. Go back to living in Oblvioun you leftist loving NPC.

Seriously... there could be a video of him in a zoom conference with the big guy ...while having sex with a minor, smoking crack and playing with an illegally owned firearm... and lefties would still find some way to live in denial.

First it never happened, then it was russians... its amazing that this denial bull**** works to surpress the truth... and way too many are willfully ignorant because "their side" says the good warm and fuzzies.

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Good questions, wondering how many payments have been made to the Biden crime syndicate during his term as President?

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Would help if we knew who was buying Hunter's finger-paintings and blow-art.

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Thanks for the reminder. The corruption seems ongoing.

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Good questions, wondering how many payments have been made to the Biden crime syndicate during his term as President?

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Would help if we knew who was buying Hunter's finger-paintings and blow-art.

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I mean one has already been outed that showed a clear linkage to a political (or politically related) appointee.

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I am getting old, which one?

Found one(bet there are more):
Hunter Biden sold $1.3M in art and one buyer was a Dem donor 'friend' Joe appointed to a prestigious commission: report By Steven Nelson Published July 24, 2023

• Elizabeth Hirsh Naftali, a Los Angeles real estate investor and philanthropist, bought one of Hunter's works, according to Business Insider, which cited sales records kept by his art dealer, the Georges Bergs Gallery of Manhattan.
  
  Naftali was appointed by President Biden to the Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad in July 2022 about eight months after Hunter's first art show, which took place in Hollywood.

Update:

New emails obtained by a law group allege the top cybersecurity defense agency in the U.S. immediately worked to discredit the infamous Hunter Biden laptop story on the same day the New York Post published the article.

America First Legal, a non-profit law group led by former senior members of the Trump administration, said on social media Wednesday that two weeks before the 2020 presidential election, the Department of Homeland Security's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) linked Biden's laptop story to the likes of "QAnon" and the 2016 "Pizzagate" child-sex trafficking theory.

In the heavily redacted documents, a CISA analyst on the Countering Foreign Influence Task Force flagged "colleagues" in an email with an Axios report titled "QAnon Conspiracy Theory Explodes Ahead of the Election."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/u-s-cybersecurity-defense-agency-immediately-worked-to-discredit-hunter-biden-laptop-story-legal-group-says

Not to put too fine a point on this but CISA is also tasked with election security and integrity.

BluHorseShu said:

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oh no said:

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i know america-hating communists and the brainwashed masses won't care, but


laptop the FBI had since 2019: email detailing equity for company set up to do business in China: "10% held by H for the Big Guy" among several other texts and emails indicating Joe not only knew about H's lucrative overseas business deals, but was involved with them.

Laptop contents released to NY Post and other outlets in 2020 immediately censored by social media at the behest of FBI - proven by Twitter files and Zuckerberg's own admission on JRE - and 50 current and former "intelligence community" officials sign a letter written at the behest of the Biden campaign claiming the laptop was Russian disinformation.


how can the brainwashed masses not only not see that as the worst election interference we've ever seen, but also not see that Joe's corruption has credible evidence and is worth actually investigating?

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Are those our only options? 1) Believe everything said about HB and Sr and all connections or 2) Not believe it because you are an America Hating communist, or 3) Not believe it because you are brainwashed? There's no gray area for the first?
This seems to be the approach these days...You can't be on the right if you remotely question any part of everything we believe (whether its the Biden impeachment, Trump sham investigation, Paxton sham impeachment, 2020 election stolen, etc). Seems we have to be all in or we are 100% not conservatives and are either brainwashed or just plain hat America.
The problem with this is there is a large number of us (republican conservatives who consider each of these things critically but also individually before making an education opinion) who will not be forced to acquiesced to an all or nothing approach to the conspiracies du jour. We are seeing this play out in Congress now with Gaetz vs other Republicans who won't kowtow to his extremist sycophancy toward Trumps whims. This is what will help the Dems win, whether the presidency and/or Congress if we can't figure out how to be cohesive again.

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Well...that's awkward.

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A federal appeals court on Thursday rejected Hunter Biden's request to dismiss his gun charges in Delaware, clearing the way for a June trial.
Biden's lawyer, Abbe Lowell, said he would keep fighting to dismiss the case. "In reviewing the panel's decision, we believe the issues involved are too important and further review of our request is appropriate," Lowell said in a statement.
U.S. District Judge Maryellen Noreika had refused to dismiss the charges against Biden, who allegedly lied about an addiction to drugs when buying a gun in 2018.

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This could be Joe Biden's exit strategy. Hunter's convicted, Joe makes some emotional address about the pain of losing one son and fear that his other one will relapse under the stress of these politically motivated prosecutions, therefore pardons Hunter for the gun and tax crimes, then announces he won't be seeking re-election to focus on having the family time he's neglected for 52 years in service to the American people.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/09/hunter-biden-gun-charges-appeal/73629996007/

"I remember when Bo (dunno how to spell it) was locked up in federal prison for a bogus gun charge and died when a white supremacist shanked him over a pack of smokes, Jack!" /fjb

Opalka said:

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What did the laptop reveal that was illegal? Body parts? I don't get this whole "laptop" relevance to anything. It definitely has nothing to do with Joe Biden, which I'm sure he is the intended target in the big picture. It's NOT going to work, no matter how "outraged" conservatives act.

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Emails about "big guy" getting 10% on Hunter's laptop match Tony Bob's devices too. Proof that Hunter was a tool in leveraging taxpayer dollars and elected office to benefit Biden crime fam.

Opalka said:

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What did the laptop reveal that was illegal? Body parts? I don't get this whole "laptop" relevance to anything. It definitely has nothing to do with Joe Biden, which I'm sure he is the intended target in the big picture. It's NOT going to work, no matter how "outraged" conservatives act.

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Reads like a hedgepost.

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"I remember when Bo (dunno how to spell it) was locked up in federal prison for a bogus gun charge and died when a white supremacist shanked him over a pack of smokes, Jack!" /fjb

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Not a joke

BREAKING: FBI Imposed  “Gag Order” About Hunter Biden Laptop After Employee Accidentally Confirmed Its Authenticity To Twitter  

Newly released internal FBI chat messages reveal senior bureau officials actively shutting down discussion of the laptop’s credibility days before the… pic.twitter.com/PzaCUG6B7L

— Catherine Herridge (@C__Herridge) April 1, 2025

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BREAKING: FBI Imposed "Gag Order" About Hunter Biden Laptop After Employee Accidentally Confirmed Its Authenticity To Twitter

Newly released internal FBI chat messages reveal senior bureau officials actively shutting down discussion of the laptop's credibility days before the 2020 Presidential election

This is a CatherineHerridgeReports
@C__Herridge
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@Shellenberger
Joint Investigation

An FBI official admitted to House investigators that an FBI employee had inadvertently confirmed the authenticity of Hunter Biden's laptop to Twitter on a conference call the morning of October 14, 2020, the day the New York Post published a story about it.

"I recall that when the question came up, an intelligence analyst assigned to the Criminal Investigative Division said something to the effect of, 'Yes, the laptop is real'," the then Russia unit chief testified in a closed door transcribed interview.

"I believe it was an (Office of General Counsel) attorney assigned to the (Foreign Influence Task Force) stepped in and said, 'We will not comment further on this topic.'"

For the first time, and with a change of administration, the FBI has now turned over to GOP House investigators the internal chat messages that show Bureau leadership actively silenced its employees.

The FBI, which had a special task force to counter foreign election interference, could have set the record straight by confirming the laptop was real and the subject of an ongoing criminal probe. Instead, FBI leadership allowed the false narrative about the laptop to gain momentum.

The FBI provided the chat messages to congressional investigators with heavy redactions.

Some of the redactions on the chats are marked "OGC AGC," which appears to mean that they were made by the FBI's Office of General Counsel and Associate General Counsel.

An individual whose name is blacked out, tells Elvis M. Chan, the San Francisco-based FBI special agent tasked with interacting with social media companies, there was a "gag order" on discussion of Hunter Biden's laptop. In a separate exchange, Chan is told "official response no commen(t)."

In the chat, the FBI officials showed awareness that the laptop may have contained evidence of criminal activity.

Asked Chan, "actually what kind of case is the laptop thing? corruption? campaign financing?"

Another FBI employee responds, "CLOSE HOLD " after which the response is redacted.

To which Chan responds, "oh crap" appearing to underscore the serious nature of the probe, which included felony tax charges. Chan adds, "ok. It ends here".

In the same conversation, Chan is asked if "Anyone discussing that NYPost article on the Biden's?" Chan responds, "yes we are. c d confirmed an active investigation. No further comment." "C D" is likely shorthand for the FBI's Criminal Division.

Said another FBI employee, whose name was redacted by the Bureau, "please do not discuss biden matter."

We asked for a response from the bureau and the FBI employees identified in the chat messages. An FBI spokesman declined to comment.

We go in-depth on the chat messages for subscribers!

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More on thread...

The FBI had Hunter Biden’s laptop, but on the day the NY Post story came out, the FBI refused to tell Big Tech the truth.

— House Judiciary GOP 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 (@JudiciaryGOP) April 1, 2025

Our report showed how the FBI worked to discredit the story as so-called ‘Russian disinformation’ before it was even published.

Read it here: https://t.co/1dlJWSo1CF

— House Judiciary GOP 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 (@JudiciaryGOP) April 1, 2025

Corrupt government is corrupt.

SPERRY: FBI report reveals that the bureau knew Hunter's laptop was authentic in 2019 — and covered it up — and knew all about Joe and Hunter’s shady Chinese business dealings in 2017 — and did nothinghttps://t.co/wyy2B8Uk63

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) April 11, 2025

BREAKING: Sen. Grassley has sent letter to FBI Dir Patel demanding all text messages, instant messages, team chat messages ref to the Hunter Biden laptop sent by Elvis Chan; Laura Dehmlow; Bradley Benavides; James Dennehy; et. al.; plus all FBI records Dec. 1, 2019-Pres re laptop

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) April 11, 2025

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Corrupt government is corrupt.

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Somehow, there are people that think it should be bigger and more powerful.