California passes call for constitutional convention - Gun access laws

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8:57a, 9/19/23
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https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/california-passes-call-us-constitutional-convention-limit-gun-access?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social

Law of unintended consequences on line 1.

There have been a number of states that have been wanting a constitutional convention for items such as balanced budgets, term limits for Congress/Judiciary and the like for years. If California goes in thinking it is going to get this passed, I have a feeling they are in for a world of hurt.
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9:07a, 9/19/23
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F. O. California.
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9:09a, 9/19/23
At least they are trying to do it the correct way.

If Democrats want to abolish gun ownership, then amending the Constitution is how to do it.

And of course because someone will say I'm backing them; I am not supporting what they want.
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9:14a, 9/19/23
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The Communists want us disarmed. It is central to their ability to completely control the populace.
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9:15a, 9/19/23
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What pct of "gun violence" is committed using weapons that were illegally obtained? How many of those shootings were committed by convicted felons? When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns=we are sitting ducks.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 9:17a, 9/19/23
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Rapier108 said:
At least they are trying to do it the correct way.

If Democrats want to abolish gun ownership, then amending the Constitution is how to do it.

And of course because someone will say I'm backing them; I am not supporting what they want.
Levin has been begging for a Constitutional Convention for years. I just think that California thinks it will strong arm this through and there would be far more states not wanting this than do want this.
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9:20a, 9/19/23
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A constitutional convention is an extremely high risk/reward gamble if you have radical activists from both sides pushing it. You might get changes you really don't want or with unintended consequences, and it would be incredibly hard to undo.
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In reply to Line Ate Member • 9:21a, 9/19/23
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Rapier108 said:
At least they are trying to do it the correct way.

If Democrats want to abolish gun ownership, then amending the Constitution is how to do it.

And of course because someone will say I'm backing them; I am not supporting what they want.
Levin has been begging for a Constitutional Convention for years. I just think that California thinks it will strong arm this through and there would be far more states not wanting this than do want this.
They might be able to get it sent to the states for ratification, but it would never be approved.

And I agree, I'd like to see the convention of the states. I doubt anything would happen, other than perhaps the Republicans caving and giving the Democrats things they want in return for empty promises.

I doubt any amendment that would come out of it would get ratified because both sides would simply reject any amendment the other side supports.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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9:31a, 9/19/23
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1. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
2. The right of the people to practice their religious beliefs shall not be infringed.
3. The right of the people to speak, publish, print, broadcast, or express opinion and news shall not be infringed.
4. The right of the people to petition their government through peaceable assembly shall not be infringed.
5. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, property, wealth, and data against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be infringed.
6. The right of the people to a speedy and public trial by their peers, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, and to confront the witnesses against them, shall not be infringed.
7. The right of the people to be protected from excessive bail, excessive fines, or cruel and unusual punishments shall not be infringed
8. No person shall be subject to more than one trial or one punishment for the same offense.
9. No person shall be compelled in any criminal case, to be a witness against them self, nor be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law.
10. The powers delegated by the people, through this Constitution, to the government of the United States, shall be exercised as therein appropriated, so that the Legislative shall never exercise the powers vested in the Executive or Judicial; nor the Executive the powers vested in the Legislative or Judicial; nor the Judicial the powers vested in the Legislative or Executive.
11. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
12. Congress shall make no law exempting any class or group of people.
13. Congress shall not spend more than is collected in taxation.
14. Congress shall not delegate law or regulatory making authority to any agency.
15. Personal, inheritance, or corporate federal taxes shall not exceed 10%.
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9:33a, 9/19/23
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Could states use a Constitutional Convention as an opportunity to leave the union?
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9:35a, 9/19/23
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and other weapons of war.
This is such a GD dog whistle for the left. "Weapons of war" - rocks were once weapons of war. Axes, bows, sharp sticks, even boiling water.

He wants to ban ALL semi-auto options to citizens, then when it fails, they'll claim the "Chicago defense" that neighboring states provide the guns.
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In reply to Aggie Infantry • 9:37a, 9/19/23
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Aggie Infantry said:
1. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
2. The right of the people to practice their religious beliefs shall not be infringed.
3. The right of the people to speak, publish, print, broadcast, or express opinion and news shall not be infringed.
4. The right of the people to petition their government through peaceable assembly shall not be infringed.
5. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, property, wealth, and data against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be infringed.
6. The right of the people to a speedy and public trial by their peers, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, and to confront the witnesses against them, shall not be infringed.
7. The right of the people to be protected from excessive bail, excessive fines, or cruel and unusual punishments shall not be infringed
8. No person shall be subject to more than one trial or one punishment for the same offense.
9. No person shall be compelled in any criminal case, to be a witness against them self, nor be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law.
10. The powers delegated by the people, through this Constitution, to the government of the United States, shall be exercised as therein appropriated, so that the Legislative shall never exercise the powers vested in the Executive or Judicial; nor the Executive the powers vested in the Legislative or Judicial; nor the Judicial the powers vested in the Legislative or Executive.
11. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
12. Congress shall make no law exempting any class or group of people.
13. Congress shall not spend more than is collected in taxation.
14. Congress shall not delegate law or regulatory making authority to any agency.
15. Personal, inheritance, or corporate federal taxes shall not exceed 10%.
16. No person who has reached the age of 70 shall run for elective office.
17. No person elected to any national office shall be eligible to serve for more than 2 terms.
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9:39a, 9/19/23
They are just upset that a koo koo bird whacked another cop this week.

The family of this koo koo bird is like the nut job parents of the Sandy Hook and El Paos shooter.
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In reply to Aggie Infantry • 9:40a, 9/19/23

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15. Personal, inheritance, or corporate federal taxes shall not exceed 10%.
Aircraft carriers don't fund themselves hippie.
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10:01a, 9/19/23
Meh. Let's have the Constitutional Convention and let the states really show their hands for what they really want to push for.

If the leftist states really want to push for less liberty, then the conservative states need to either dominate the leftist ideology into submission or they need to put secession on the table.
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12:18p, 9/19/23
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TxTarpon...

Navy - Uber for the Marine Corps

USAF - A viable alternative to military service.
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 12:34p, 9/19/23
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MouthBQ98 said:
A constitutional convention is an extremely high risk/reward gamble if you have radical activists from both sides pushing it. You might get changes you really don't want or with unintended consequences, and it would be incredibly hard to undo.

There's no real risk. The ratification process is still the same. Right now, nothing is coming up because the process to PROPOSE amendments is controlled by Congress, specifically 2/3rds of Congress, which won't happen on much of anything. 38, or whatever number of states required for ratification, are not going to ratify something radical.
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12:35p, 9/19/23
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So Gavin is now suing O&G for climate change and trying to ban guns.

He's clearly setting up his policy plank for President to get the left all excited.

FGN
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In reply to TxTarpon • 12:39p, 9/19/23
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TxTarpon said:

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15. Personal, inheritance, or corporate federal taxes shall not exceed 10%.
Aircraft carriers don't fund themselves hippie.
And this right here tells you all you need to know about our government's position on firepower and the utility thereof.
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In reply to WHOOP!'91 • 12:45p, 9/19/23
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Could states use a Constitutional Convention as an opportunity to leave the union?

Would gladly purchase a new 49 star flag. They should do it and elect Newsome as their first POC. They can murder babies by the dumpster full and live gun free. What a utopia. They could create a tax that takes all possessions if you leave the country utilizing their new digital currency. Meanwhile the remaining states can sit back and watch the failure with our own eyes while enjoying those 50 some odd electoral points.
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In reply to Line Ate Member • 12:48p, 9/19/23
If the Right is entitled to seek a Convention of the States on its issues, so is the Left.

Neither will accomplish much.

As I read Article V, the 2/3 of the States need not request a Convention to address the same questions or proposals. So, California and ten other States might request a convention to limit the Second Amendment, Texas and twenty states might request a Convention to remove birthright citizenship, and Louisiana and four States might request a Convention to revise the 19th Amendment. You've got your 2/3, and no one is discussing the same issues.

Chaos ensues, rather like 1787, when they met to amend the Articles and ended-up trashing them completely.
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 1:26p, 9/19/23
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MouthBQ98 said:
A constitutional convention is an extremely high risk/reward gamble if you have radical activists from both sides pushing it. You might get changes you really don't want or with unintended consequences, and it would be incredibly hard to undo.
In no way, shape or form would a constitutional convention be a good idea with the quality of politician and people in general we have today. In fact, it is one of the scariest things I can think of and would likely end up in full scale conflict as a result.
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In reply to IndividualFreedom • 1:29p, 9/19/23
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IndividualFreedom said:
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Could states use a Constitutional Convention as an opportunity to leave the union?

Would gladly purchase a new 49 star flag. They should do it and elect Newsome as their first POC. They can murder babies by the dumpster full and live gun free. What a utopia. They could create a tax that takes all possessions if you leave the country utilizing their new digital currency. Meanwhile the remaining states can sit back and watch the failure with our own eyes while enjoying those 50 some odd electoral points.
I would prefer to purchase a flag with one - or maybe you would say lone - star. Commi-fornia isn't the only problem with the USSA. As the UK showed with the EU, self-determination on matters such as fiscal policy and immigration are the only good solution.
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In reply to 91AggieLawyer • 1:33p, 9/19/23
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A convention for an entire rewrite of the constitution is different than a mere amendment, no?
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 1:35p, 9/19/23
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A constitutional convention is an extremely high risk/reward gamble if you have radical activists from both sides pushing it. You might get changes you really don't want or with unintended consequences, and it would be incredibly hard to undo.


Or alternatively, we could pass a constitutional amendment allowing states that disagree with enumerated rights embodied the US constitution to secede.
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 1:37p, 9/19/23
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A constitutional convention is an extremely high risk/reward gamble if you have radical activists from both sides pushing it. You might get changes you really don't want or with unintended consequences, and it would be incredibly hard to undo.
At least the governance is returned to the states. Let radical activists have their way as long as it is contained in each state and not pushed on the masses from Washington.
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1:37p, 9/19/23
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This will go nowhere
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MouthBQ98 said:
A convention for an entire rewrite of the constitution is different than a mere amendment, no?

How?
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MouthBQ98 said:
A convention for an entire rewrite of the constitution is different than a mere amendment, no?

How?


One takes longer.

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3:13p, 9/19/23
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Can we just conquer them and get it over with...
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 3:24p, 9/19/23
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MouthBQ98 said:
A convention for an entire rewrite of the constitution is different than a mere amendment, no?
It could be called for under the premis of XYZ reason, but once a convention is convened - should the delegates decide to do so, they have the power at the convention to re-write any or all parts of the constitution.
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3:30p, 9/19/23
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Cold dead hands.
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In reply to Sooper Jeenyus • 3:33p, 9/19/23
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TxTarpon said:

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15. Personal, inheritance, or corporate federal taxes shall not exceed 10%.
Aircraft carriers don't fund themselves hippie.
And this right here tells you all you need to know about our government's position on firepower and the utility thereof.
Sit down hippie.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
Aggie Infantry said:
1. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
2. The right of the people to practice their religious beliefs shall not be infringed.
3. The right of the people to speak, publish, print, broadcast, or express opinion and news shall not be infringed.
4. The right of the people to petition their government through peaceable assembly shall not be infringed.
5. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, property, wealth, and data against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be infringed.
6. The right of the people to a speedy and public trial by their peers, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, and to confront the witnesses against them, shall not be infringed.
7. The right of the people to be protected from excessive bail, excessive fines, or cruel and unusual punishments shall not be infringed
8. No person shall be subject to more than one trial or one punishment for the same offense.
9. No person shall be compelled in any criminal case, to be a witness against them self, nor be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law.
10. The powers delegated by the people, through this Constitution, to the government of the United States, shall be exercised as therein appropriated, so that the Legislative shall never exercise the powers vested in the Executive or Judicial; nor the Executive the powers vested in the Legislative or Judicial; nor the Judicial the powers vested in the Legislative or Executive.
11. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
12. Congress shall make no law exempting any class or group of people.
13. Congress shall not spend more than is collected in taxation.
14. Congress shall not delegate law or regulatory making authority to any agency.
15. Personal, inheritance, or corporate federal taxes shall not exceed 10%.
16. No person who has reached the age of 70 shall run for elective office.
17. No person elected to any national office shall be eligible to serve for more than 2 terms.
18. Only White, Christian, land owning, net tax paying males may vote.*



*shocked this hasn't been posted
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In reply to B-1 83 • 3:40p, 9/19/23

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18. Only White, Christian, land owning, net tax paying males may vote.*
Silly whitey!
Jews own the banks so that will never happen.
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