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3. Wrong a smart meter doesn't have access to individual appliances.

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Actually this is fairly easy to do since appliances have specific power draw over time. It would be fairly easy to train a neural network to detect the usage patterns of specific appliances. The only question is if using a 15 minute average can give enough fidelity to get that specific.

It would be easy to determine major appliances like dish washers or washing machines by combing the water + electricity data.

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It would be really tough. Light, random appliance usage, electronics, A/C kicking on and off, ceiling fans, garage door opening, the residents moving out, residents WFH, etc.

Basically things change frequently enough you would struggle to pin down exact things. Sure you know the family runs their dishwasher, Washing machine and Dryer, but you already knew that. This would be a TON of effort for almost no return. Also the competency and skills required would far exceed what one would suspect for a government employee.

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This is signal theory 101. The only question is sample interval. At 15 min the data will be noisy. If the sample rate is switched to 1 min the data would be super easy to filter. This does not take a super skilled person.

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I have seen data methodologies like that applied to residential customer usage in Texas. The takeaway is and has always been this is the general shape. The data is too random to be properly normalized so it becomes extremely difficult to extract details like you are talking about. Only the strictest of OCD time people will live and operate in a way to glean that information off of them.

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current data does not have a high enough sample rate to do better than provide a shape. The more the sample rate increases the more information that can be extracted.

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That was using 15 minute usage, maybe 5 minute.

I'm amazed people still willingly live in Travis county.

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Which they can't do with your monthly bill now because...? Exactly how does a smart meter affect this one iota?

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Because they can do it effortlessly while scheming up the next plan to remove your individual freedom.

I was hoping that a city somewhere using smart meters allowed a limit to a once per month reading (or storage of data) if requested. This approach really doesn't seem unreasonable.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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I think some people forget that as little as 10 years ago the utility had to employ meter readers that jumped your fence and went into your back yard to read your meter once a month.

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In the '80s and '90s Pedernales Electric sent out a card every month you were supposed to write in the numbers on your meter and mail it back to them so they could print the bill. As the oldest kid in the house filling out the card and sticking it in the mailbox was part of my job description.

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I'm amazed people still willingly live in Travis county.

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I'm amazed you do not think this will spread many other places in Texas within the next 5-10 years.

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I was hoping that a city somewhere using smart meters allowed a limit to a once per month reading (or storage of data) if requested. This approach really doesn't seem unreasonable.

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Seattle has them and have been installing them for about 4 years now. we have ample electricity here due to relying predominantly on hydroelectric, so we have no capacity issues that require micromanaging.

while they likely have the ability to poll more frequently, at present they really only use it for billing ( they can always change of course). lots of houses use gas and heating oil, and the majority of housing (incl apartments) do not have AC). so not much can be gleaned at present.

but again, they can always be collecting more than they claim they are.

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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I think some people forget that as little as 10 years ago the utility had to employ meter readers that jumped your fence and went into your back yard to read your meter once a month.

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In the '80s and '90s Pedernales Electric sent out a card every month you were supposed to write in the numbers on your meter and mail it back to them so they could print the bill. As the oldest kid in the house filling out the card and sticking it in the mailbox was part of my job description.

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My grandparents had the same in Leon County. Shoot I filled out a couple of those for her in the early 2000s!

1) buy Tesla
2) hookit up to house as a generator
3) put into neutral , after turning it on
4) have the brakes applied indefinitely
5) endless power

YWIA

I think these smart meters are different than what you're thinking. We're getting them now in Colorado as well and have the same opt out charges.

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Which they can't do with your monthly bill now because...? Exactly how does a smart meter affect this one iota?

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Because they can do it effortlessly while scheming up the next plan to remove your individual freedom.

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So, nothing. Got it.