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I am hardly the first or the only person to note the fact that social justice ideology is simply a religious replacement for Christianity. It has a doctrine, evangelists, and claims to provide a higher meaning to life.

But my Alma Mater, Carleton College, surprised even me by hiring as its new Chaplain of the college an avowed atheist. They aren't even pretending anymore.

Schuyler Vogel seems like a truly nice guy. A graduate of the college himself he is surely thrilled to be back on campus to spread the gospel of progressivism, and given how hostile modern academia is to traditional religion it is hard for me to actually get outraged by the college's indifference to hiring a religious person to be its new chaplain.

What is one more SJW on a campus full of them? Could things be any worse than they were already? Hardly.

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Based in Skinner Memorial Chapel and overseeing chaplains from Christian, Jewish, and Muslim traditions, he'll be focused on both the contemplative life of campus and the more outward manifestations of spirituality, including social justice advocacy....

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I love the Christian tradition, its rituals, its stories, its sense of justice, but I don't believe in its core theological assumptions. Eventually I returned to Unitarian Universalism, where I was ordained as a minister. I probably don't believe in God, although I believe that we human beings have a moral calling to serve love and justice....

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Perhaps I am making too much of this, given my attachment to Carleton and my relatively recent attachment to Christianity. But I don't think so.

Common sense, after all, suggests that at the very least a Chaplain shouldn't be an atheist.

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https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/09/08/perfect-metaphor-an-atheist-college-chaplain-whose-mission-is-social-justice-n576624

There are no atheists. I'm pretty convinced by this point in
My life that humans, even the most cynical and clinical and academic beings, are biologically religious/spiritual by nature and things of that nature creep into our perceptions beyond our control. We aren't dispassionate calculating beings. We are emotional animals with a consciousness layered over more primitive functions including emotional compulsions.

No human being that ever lived was truly atheist despite the purity claims that some assert, because their own consciousness does not control the true breadth and complexity of their own minds.

Today's cultural Marxism is absolutely a religion.

This is simply a public manifestation of one tentacle.

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I probably don't believe in God, although I believe that we human beings have a moral calling to serve love and justice....

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"Believes" in love
God is love
Therefore....

I believe you call it a political officer when you remove the religion.

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I believe you call it a political officer when you remove the religion.

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The word you are looking for is "commissar".

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I am hardly the first or the only person to note the fact that social justice ideology is simply a religious replacement for Christianity. It has a doctrine, evangelists, and claims to provide a higher meaning to life.

But my Alma Mater, Carleton College, surprised even me by hiring as its new Chaplain of the college an avowed atheist. They aren't even pretending anymore.

Schuyler Vogel seems like a truly nice guy. A graduate of the college himself he is surely thrilled to be back on campus to spread the gospel of progressivism, and given how hostile modern academia is to traditional religion it is hard for me to actually get outraged by the college's indifference to hiring a religious person to be its new chaplain.

What is one more SJW on a campus full of them? Could things be any worse than they were already? Hardly.

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Based in Skinner Memorial Chapel and overseeing chaplains from Christian, Jewish, and Muslim traditions, he'll be focused on both the contemplative life of campus and the more outward manifestations of spirituality, including social justice advocacy....

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I love the Christian tradition, its rituals, its stories, its sense of justice, but I don't believe in its core theological assumptions. Eventually I returned to Unitarian Universalism, where I was ordained as a minister. I probably don't believe in God, although I believe that we human beings have a moral calling to serve love and justice....

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Perhaps I am making too much of this, given my attachment to Carleton and my relatively recent attachment to Christianity. But I don't think so.

Common sense, after all, suggests that at the very least a Chaplain shouldn't be an atheist.

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https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/09/08/perfect-metaphor-an-atheist-college-chaplain-whose-mission-is-social-justice-n576624

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Chill out. He said probably.

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There are no atheists. I'm pretty convinced by this point in
My life that humans, even the most cynical and clinical and academic beings, are biologically religious/spiritual by nature and things of that nature creep into our perceptions beyond our control. We aren't dispassionate calculating beings. We are emotional animals with a consciousness layered over more primitive functions including emotional compulsions.

No human being that ever lived was truly atheist despite the purity claims that some assert, because their own consciousness does not control the true breadth and complexity of their own minds.

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Having emotions and not operating on pure cold logic requires you to believe in the existence of one or more gods?

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I probably don't believe in God, although I believe that we human beings have a moral calling to serve love and justice....

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"Believes" in love
God is love
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This is just semantics. "God is everything." Ok, I believe there's an everything, so if God is just your word for that, then sure I believe in God. Same with love, hope, joy… physics. If God is just a name you give to various observable phenomena, then sure, by that definition everybody believes in God.

Wrong board..

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If any of these other chaplains are serious about their work & faith they would quit immediately.

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I probably don't believe in God, although I believe that we human beings have a moral calling to serve love and justice....

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God is love
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This is just semantics. "God is everything." Ok, I believe there's an everything, so if God is just your word for that, then sure I believe in God. Same with love, hope, joy… physics. If God is just a name you give to various observable phenomena, then sure, by that definition everybody believes in God.

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The Thermos is talking . blah blah blah. Take your garbage elsewhere. Trust me your gibberish means less than nothing.

I didn't say, "God is everything..."

I was quiting the Good Book from over in 1 John. "God is love"

I'll add you to my prayer list.

I think they have confused "Chaplin" with "Religion Denier and Enabler"

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Wrong board..

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You want to connect this religious issue to politics?

Carleton had its beginnings as a Christian college. Then, in 1964 it dropped its religious worship requirement and Christian associations. Quite frankly, this is consistent with the change of the American culture in the 1960's.

The 'free love' of the 60's framed the beginnings of the progressive movement which has done more to hurt our once great nation more than its ever done to helped it. Sure, not everything from the 60's was negative, but the 60's changed our country culturally, morally, religiously, etc. more than any other generation. It set the foundation for the fracturing of America that we are experiencing today.

So when Carleton goes so woke as to hire an atheist (perhaps more correctly - an agnostic) to be its multi-denominational chaplain, none of us should be surprised.

We live in dark times.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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There are no atheists. I'm pretty convinced by this point in
My life that humans, even the most cynical and clinical and academic beings, are biologically religious/spiritual by nature and things of that nature creep into our perceptions beyond our control. We aren't dispassionate calculating beings. We are emotional animals with a consciousness layered over more primitive functions including emotional compulsions.

No human being that ever lived was truly atheist despite the purity claims that some assert, because their own consciousness does not control the true breadth and complexity of their own minds.

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Having emotions and not operating on pure cold logic requires you to believe in the existence of one or more gods?

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Missing the point.

Being a human will cause you to act in religious ways, regardless of what you claim to believe. Atheists aren't any more logical in their worldview than theists

"I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will come in among you after I leave, not sparing the flock"

Acts 20:29

MouthBQ98 said:

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There are no atheists. I'm pretty convinced by this point in
My life that humans, even the most cynical and clinical and academic beings, are biologically religious/spiritual by nature and things of that nature creep into our perceptions beyond our control. We aren't dispassionate calculating beings. We are emotional animals with a consciousness layered over more primitive functions including emotional compulsions.

No human being that ever lived was truly atheist despite the purity claims that some assert, because their own consciousness does not control the true breadth and complexity of their own minds.

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Old May Banker said:

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I didn't say, "God is everything..."

I was quiting the Good Book from over in 1 John. "God is love"

I'll add you to my prayer list.

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I'm confused. Is "God is love" the only definition that you can give for God? For example…do you believe God is our Creator?

Of course.

I believe that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is our creator. I only used that verse as it was applicable to the "chaplain" saying that he "believed in love"

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I probably don't believe in God, although I believe that we human beings have a moral calling to serve love and justice....

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"Believes" in love
God is love
Therefore....

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This is just semantics. "God is everything." Ok, I believe there's an everything, so if God is just your word for that, then sure I believe in God. Same with love, hope, joy… physics. If God is just a name you give to various observable phenomena, then sure, by that definition everybody believes in God.

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The Thermos is talking . blah blah blah. Take your garbage elsewhere. Trust me your gibberish means less than nothing.

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I think you could more accurately say it means less than nothing to you and leave it at that. It makes perfect sense from a semantics POV

Lmao, I have some very good friends that are actually atheists, they don't talk about it much because there is no point in talking about not believing in something.

I think the flip side is accurate and many people claiming to be religious don't actually believe in God, but want to use Religion as a weapon.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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There are no atheists. I'm pretty convinced by this point in
My life that humans, even the most cynical and clinical and academic beings, are biologically religious/spiritual by nature and things of that nature creep into our perceptions beyond our control. We aren't dispassionate calculating beings. We are emotional animals with a consciousness layered over more primitive functions including emotional compulsions.

No human being that ever lived was truly atheist despite the purity claims that some assert, because their own consciousness does not control the true breadth and complexity of their own minds.

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Having emotions and not operating on pure cold logic requires you to believe in the existence of one or more gods?

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Missing the point.

Being a human will cause you to act in religious ways, regardless of what you claim to believe. Atheists aren't any more logical in their worldview than theists

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Humans aren't purely feral emotional beings either. We are perfectly capable of a logical thought and based on our emotional and logical thoughts we form beliefs on things including whether people are capable of logical thought or if there's a god or not

Everyone worships something. For some it's just being anti-Christian, for some it's the government. Religion is a good move in the evolutionary space, as it allows best practices to be passed down generation after generation. We physically don't evolve fast enough to be past that yet.

Atheist college chaplain?...it's as if the word "atheist" has been redefined.

Like "marriage", etc. Someone's gonna need to setup google translate to go from English to Newspeak one of these days.

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There are no atheists. I'm pretty convinced by this point in
My life that humans, even the most cynical and clinical and academic beings, are biologically religious/spiritual by nature and things of that nature creep into our perceptions beyond our control. We aren't dispassionate calculating beings. We are emotional animals with a consciousness layered over more primitive functions including emotional compulsions.

No human being that ever lived was truly atheist despite the purity claims that some assert, because their own consciousness does not control the true breadth and complexity of their own minds.

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See, I would make the argument that I don't think there are many people that actually believe in god. My experience is with Christianity, but it is extensive. If people actually believed the doctrines, they would live lives of absolute devotion out of the fear of consequences from an omnipotent being. I observed and experienced the opposite. It's mostly just people that show up to a social organization a couple times a week and practice not cussing, drinking, or being gay. Very little thought is given to the sacrifices of wealth, freedom, and comfort that the texts require. I imagine that it is similar with other religions. My observations of a few Jewish people have lead me to believe that their practice is also mostly ceremonial in nature. Muslims do appear to be a bit more fanatical in their practice but I'm mostly unaware of their doctrine.