who were Masterson's lawyers?

check minus

BadMoonRisin said:

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SantaLucia said:

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riverrataggie said:

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Regardless if he is a scum bag or not, 20 years after the fact is frankly scary.

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So he's guilty but shouldn't be punished because it was a long time ago?

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You raped me in 2003. Prove me wrong. Have a great time in Jail.

See how weird this all is?

No love lost for Danny, but this "let's wait 30 years to come forward" **** is ******ed.

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Well, like said above, she filed the report back then. It's not like she just showed up. It's still terrifying that they can get a conviction based on "he raped me" with no physical evidence.

Masterson's wikipedia page has several other allegations of rape/assault that I was unaware of. The allegation below... yikes.

Cedric Bixler-Zavala, singer for the bands The Mars Volta and At the Drive-In, alleged that Masterson sexually assaulted his wife, and stated that At the Drive-In's song "Incurably Innocent" (from the 2017 album Inter alia) is about the incident.

On January 22, 2020, Bixler-Zavala reported that a second of his family pets had to be put down due to being fed rat poison wrapped inside a rolled-up piece of raw meat, alleging this was done by Scientologists in response to his repeated public statements alleging Masterson raped his wife (who was one of the four women who filed suit against Masterson). Masterson has yet to directly respond to any of Bixler-Zavala's claims or his prior allegations made; the closest acknowledgment being Masterson's wife Bijou Phillips making an Instagram post mocking court papers against Masterson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Masterson

LMCane said:

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Yesterday said:

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https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/danny-masterson-found-of-two-counts-of-rape-in-second-trial/

Edit- he was just sentenced to 30 years. He was convicted in June.

This trial and now conviction has me a bit concerned. Now granted I did not follow it closely nor do I have or have heard all of the evidence other than what I can read in articles; so take all of that into consideration.

From what I have read, two of the accused were his girlfriend at the time. Both claim they told the scientology church of the rapes but were told not to speak of it nor report it to the police. Neither went to the police until years later, one being during the "me too" movement. Both victims reached out to Masterson after the fact, one trying to get back together with him.

The first trial was hung as they could not reach a verdict. The second trial deliberated for two weeks before reaching a verdict. The main piece of evidence is the word of the victims against Masterson. The second piece of evidence which was barred from being used in the first trial but allowed in the second was the women's claim that they were "drugged." One stating she was completely unconscious and the other saying she felt drunk. No evidence other than the victims word.

He will be sentenced from 30 years to life.

Again, I don't know what happened but it does concern me that a man can be sentenced to basically the rest of his life for a crime that two women say happened 20 years ago. I do hope that the allegations were true and justice is being served because the opposite just sounds terrible and insane to me.

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Uh, who knows more about this case?

the ACTUAL American jury that heard all of the evidence and witnesses...

or some guy on a sports message board.

will there ever be a time when posters here just accept verdicts of jurors?

or you only want to be able to decide every single civil and criminal case based on votes by the F16?

I thought I lived in the United States of America -where the jury system was actually enshrined in our Founding documents.

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Like the OJ trial?

People are idiots. One of my biggest fears is being judged by 12 idiots for something I didn't do.

Look at how impressionable ppl were during covid. Lack of gumption.

I don't know if this guy is innocent or guilty. I do know I have zero faith in the intelligence of society/peers.

It Aint Easy Being Brown said:

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LMCane said:

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Yesterday said:

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https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/danny-masterson-found-of-two-counts-of-rape-in-second-trial/

Edit- he was just sentenced to 30 years. He was convicted in June.

This trial and now conviction has me a bit concerned. Now granted I did not follow it closely nor do I have or have heard all of the evidence other than what I can read in articles; so take all of that into consideration.

From what I have read, two of the accused were his girlfriend at the time. Both claim they told the scientology church of the rapes but were told not to speak of it nor report it to the police. Neither went to the police until years later, one being during the "me too" movement. Both victims reached out to Masterson after the fact, one trying to get back together with him.

The first trial was hung as they could not reach a verdict. The second trial deliberated for two weeks before reaching a verdict. The main piece of evidence is the word of the victims against Masterson. The second piece of evidence which was barred from being used in the first trial but allowed in the second was the women's claim that they were "drugged." One stating she was completely unconscious and the other saying she felt drunk. No evidence other than the victims word.

He will be sentenced from 30 years to life.

Again, I don't know what happened but it does concern me that a man can be sentenced to basically the rest of his life for a crime that two women say happened 20 years ago. I do hope that the allegations were true and justice is being served because the opposite just sounds terrible and insane to me.

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Uh, who knows more about this case?

the ACTUAL American jury that heard all of the evidence and witnesses...

or some guy on a sports message board.

will there ever be a time when posters here just accept verdicts of jurors?

or you only want to be able to decide every single civil and criminal case based on votes by the F16?

I thought I lived in the United States of America -where the jury system was actually enshrined in our Founding documents.

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Lol what?

Juries are always loaded with idiots that can't follow simple instructions

& prosecuting attorneys almost always have a political agenda


Please tell me this absurd post is sarcasm

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Probably not, this sock has gone far left this time to hide his true identity.

Petrino1 said:

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Masterson's wikipedia page has several other allegations of rape/assault that I was unaware of. The allegation below... yikes.

Cedric Bixler-Zavala, singer for the bands The Mars Volta and At the Drive-In, alleged that Masterson sexually assaulted his wife, and stated that At the Drive-In's song "Incurably Innocent" (from the 2017 album Inter alia) is about the incident.

On January 22, 2020, Bixler-Zavala reported that a second of his family pets had to be put down due to being fed rat poison wrapped inside a rolled-up piece of raw meat, alleging this was done by Scientologists in response to his repeated public statements alleging Masterson raped his wife (who was one of the four women who filed suit against Masterson). Masterson has yet to directly respond to any of Bixler-Zavala's claims or his prior allegations made; the closest acknowledgment being Masterson's wife Bijou Phillips making an Instagram post mocking court papers against Masterson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Masterson

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His wife is the one who dated him before and after the incident and tried to get back with him. Even threatening to beat up his current wife. She has also accused multiple other celebrities of rape.

She's also the only one who didn't get a conviction after two trials.

riverrataggie said:

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Regardless if he is a scum bag or not, 20 years after the fact is frankly scary.

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Not scary unless you did something really bad 20 years ago.

Edited to add that if this was a case of one woman making an accusation 20 years later with no corroborating evidence I'd tend to agree with the people who questioned the verdict. This guy has a lot of accusers and a track record of sleezy behavior. I'm disappointed it took 20 years only because he got 20 years of freedom he didn't deserve and hurt no telling how many more women in the meantime. Creeps like him rarely quit their actions.

Unless there is a charge of serial behavior, the number of accusations/charges is usually irrelevant and each charge should stand on its own merit.

LMCane said:

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Yesterday said:

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https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/danny-masterson-found-of-two-counts-of-rape-in-second-trial/

Edit- he was just sentenced to 30 years. He was convicted in June.

This trial and now conviction has me a bit concerned. Now granted I did not follow it closely nor do I have or have heard all of the evidence other than what I can read in articles; so take all of that into consideration.

From what I have read, two of the accused were his girlfriend at the time. Both claim they told the scientology church of the rapes but were told not to speak of it nor report it to the police. Neither went to the police until years later, one being during the "me too" movement. Both victims reached out to Masterson after the fact, one trying to get back together with him.

The first trial was hung as they could not reach a verdict. The second trial deliberated for two weeks before reaching a verdict. The main piece of evidence is the word of the victims against Masterson. The second piece of evidence which was barred from being used in the first trial but allowed in the second was the women's claim that they were "drugged." One stating she was completely unconscious and the other saying she felt drunk. No evidence other than the victims word.

He will be sentenced from 30 years to life.

Again, I don't know what happened but it does concern me that a man can be sentenced to basically the rest of his life for a crime that two women say happened 20 years ago. I do hope that the allegations were true and justice is being served because the opposite just sounds terrible and insane to me.

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Uh, who knows more about this case?

the ACTUAL American jury that heard all of the evidence and witnesses...

or some guy on a sports message board.

will there ever be a time when posters here just accept verdicts of jurors?

or you only want to be able to decide every single civil and criminal case based on votes by the F16?

I thought I lived in the United States of America -where the jury system was actually enshrined in our Founding documents.

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Here are "wrong" jury verdicts in which men were sentenced to prison on the word of women:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_wrongfully_convicted_of_rape

Enshrined yes with people rightfully convicted with evidence and not just he said, she said with the she being believed.

Robert L. Peters said:

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Unless there is a charge of serial behavior, the number of accusations/charges is usually irrelevant and each charge should stand on its own merit.

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You're not wrong from a purely legal sense. I could be wrong but I think since he was charged with three counts they were probably able to present evidence for all 3. Strictly speaking the jury should have judged each charge only on testimony about that case. Not many juries are going to do that and I'm not sure it's a bad thing that they don't.

Here's my stance on the whole rape thing:

If you're raped, report it immediately.

There should be a shelf life on these cases. If it's been more than a couple years, it should be expired.

Speak up or shut up.


I'll also add that I know nothing about Danny Masterson other than he was in a few hit television shows, riding the coat tails of Ashton Kutcher. That doesn't matter. 20 years later? Go **** yourself.

APHIS AG said:

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LMCane said:

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Yesterday said:

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https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/danny-masterson-found-of-two-counts-of-rape-in-second-trial/

Edit- he was just sentenced to 30 years. He was convicted in June.

This trial and now conviction has me a bit concerned. Now granted I did not follow it closely nor do I have or have heard all of the evidence other than what I can read in articles; so take all of that into consideration.

From what I have read, two of the accused were his girlfriend at the time. Both claim they told the scientology church of the rapes but were told not to speak of it nor report it to the police. Neither went to the police until years later, one being during the "me too" movement. Both victims reached out to Masterson after the fact, one trying to get back together with him.

The first trial was hung as they could not reach a verdict. The second trial deliberated for two weeks before reaching a verdict. The main piece of evidence is the word of the victims against Masterson. The second piece of evidence which was barred from being used in the first trial but allowed in the second was the women's claim that they were "drugged." One stating she was completely unconscious and the other saying she felt drunk. No evidence other than the victims word.

He will be sentenced from 30 years to life.

Again, I don't know what happened but it does concern me that a man can be sentenced to basically the rest of his life for a crime that two women say happened 20 years ago. I do hope that the allegations were true and justice is being served because the opposite just sounds terrible and insane to me.

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Uh, who knows more about this case?

the ACTUAL American jury that heard all of the evidence and witnesses...

or some guy on a sports message board.

will there ever be a time when posters here just accept verdicts of jurors?

or you only want to be able to decide every single civil and criminal case based on votes by the F16?

I thought I lived in the United States of America -where the jury system was actually enshrined in our Founding documents.

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Here are "wrong" jury verdicts in which men were sentenced to prison on the word of women:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_wrongfully_convicted_of_rape

Enshrined yes with people rightfully convicted with evidence and not just he said, she said with the she being believed.

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You could also post the number of cases where a guilty man got off because of what "he said" and general unwillingness to convict men of crimes in these cases.

Screw scientology.

But a crime with no physical evidence 20 years after the fact.....Jesus christ that is a stretch.

What about the statute of limitations?

An inherent difficulty with prosecuting rape is that it's the type of crime that's rarely committed in front of independent witnesses. Which makes it typically a matter of her word against his. And she has the burden of proof.

Ags4DaWin said:

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What about the statute of limitations?

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Depends on the state. Some have no time limit.

I actually followed the trial.

The post in the OP is exactly the kind of PR crap that Scientology is putting out.

Scientology kept records of these abuse claims. It's been an open secret among members of Scientology for years and he's not the only one who was drugging and raping women. These three women making claims in this case were not the only ones.

Masterson was disciplined inside of Scientology. Many people knew what he was doing. I don't think people understand how much control Scientology takes of you when you move up in the organization. They cut you off from everything. If you leave, you leave with absolutely nothing. Not even any friendships or family.

A former higher-up in Scientology testified for the prosecution in the trial explaining why the women could not come forward at the time.

California expanded the statute of limitations a few years ago. It used to be quite short, IIRC.

Not a Bot said:

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I actually followed the trial.

The post in the OP is exactly the kind of PR crap that Scientology is putting out.

Scientology kept records of these abuse claims. It's been an open secret among members of Scientology for years and he's not the only one who was drugging and raping women. These three women making claims in this case were not the only ones.

Masterson was disciplined inside of Scientology. Many people knew what he was doing. I don't think people understand how much control Scientology takes of you when you move up in the organization. They cut you off from everything. If you leave, you leave with absolutely nothing. Not even any friendships or family.

A former higher-up in Scientology testified for the prosecution in the trial explaining why the women could not come forward at the time.

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Still seems like he said she said, has anyone posted any actual evidence?

https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/03/lapd-probing-scientology-and-danny-masterston-for-multiple-rapes-cover-up/

Article from 6 years ago (2017) that goes into a lot of detail about the LAPD investigation and the different victim's cases. This is a good read if you want to get a good sense of what the police investigation was probing and the victim's and other witness statements.

BonfireNerd04 said:

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An inherent difficulty with prosecuting rape is that it's the type of crime that's rarely committed in front of independent witnesses. Which makes it typically a matter of her word against his. And she has the burden of proof.

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https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/03/lapd-probing-scientology-and-danny-masterston-for-multiple-rapes-cover-up/

In this 2017 report, Eye-witness testimony by ex-Scientology member of one of the victims being taken upstairs to his room at a party and then the girl came back down shortly after crying saying he'd raped her. The party was allegedly mostly Scientology members who then pressured her to stay quiet, saying it was no big deal.

usmcbrooks said:

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It Aint Easy Being Brown said:

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LMCane said:

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Yesterday said:

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https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/danny-masterson-found-of-two-counts-of-rape-in-second-trial/

Edit- he was just sentenced to 30 years. He was convicted in June.

This trial and now conviction has me a bit concerned. Now granted I did not follow it closely nor do I have or have heard all of the evidence other than what I can read in articles; so take all of that into consideration.

From what I have read, two of the accused were his girlfriend at the time. Both claim they told the scientology church of the rapes but were told not to speak of it nor report it to the police. Neither went to the police until years later, one being during the "me too" movement. Both victims reached out to Masterson after the fact, one trying to get back together with him.

The first trial was hung as they could not reach a verdict. The second trial deliberated for two weeks before reaching a verdict. The main piece of evidence is the word of the victims against Masterson. The second piece of evidence which was barred from being used in the first trial but allowed in the second was the women's claim that they were "drugged." One stating she was completely unconscious and the other saying she felt drunk. No evidence other than the victims word.

He will be sentenced from 30 years to life.

Again, I don't know what happened but it does concern me that a man can be sentenced to basically the rest of his life for a crime that two women say happened 20 years ago. I do hope that the allegations were true and justice is being served because the opposite just sounds terrible and insane to me.

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Uh, who knows more about this case?

the ACTUAL American jury that heard all of the evidence and witnesses...

or some guy on a sports message board.

will there ever be a time when posters here just accept verdicts of jurors?

or you only want to be able to decide every single civil and criminal case based on votes by the F16?

I thought I lived in the United States of America -where the jury system was actually enshrined in our Founding documents.

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Lol what?

Juries are always loaded with idiots that can't follow simple instructions

& prosecuting attorneys almost always have a political agenda


Please tell me this absurd post is sarcasm

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Probably not, this sock has gone far left this time to hide his true identity.

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I doubt it. MBUSA was far more prolific and actually leftist before outed, and even flaunted the MB in the moniker. It was a pretty cheeky run of several years it seems like. LMCane's biggest sin is to be antithetical to Trump, which is hardly unique these days on F 16 given all the Deep State Establishment DeSantis Rinos around. He might as well be role playing an extra.

Pumpkinhead said:

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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An inherent difficulty with prosecuting rape is that it's the type of crime that's rarely committed in front of independent witnesses. Which makes it typically a matter of her word against his. And she has the burden of proof.

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https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/03/lapd-probing-scientology-and-danny-masterston-for-multiple-rapes-cover-up/

In this 2017 report, Eye-witness testimony by ex-Scientology member of one of the victims being taken upstairs to his room at a party and then the girl came back down shortly after crying saying he'd raped her. The party was allegedly mostly Scientology members who then pressured her to stay quiet, saying it was no big deal.

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From what I have read this victim is the most credible report but still she didn't file a police report until a year after the fact. I haven't read that this witness testified in the trial. If he did then that absolutely changes things. This report doesn't name the witness but it concludes.

" The witness says he was told by Victim B that she had given his phone number to Detective Reyes when the investigation began last fall, but he hasn't been contacted by the LAPD"

LMCane said:

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Yesterday said:

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https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/danny-masterson-found-of-two-counts-of-rape-in-second-trial/

Edit- he was just sentenced to 30 years. He was convicted in June.

This trial and now conviction has me a bit concerned. Now granted I did not follow it closely nor do I have or have heard all of the evidence other than what I can read in articles; so take all of that into consideration.

From what I have read, two of the accused were his girlfriend at the time. Both claim they told the scientology church of the rapes but were told not to speak of it nor report it to the police. Neither went to the police until years later, one being during the "me too" movement. Both victims reached out to Masterson after the fact, one trying to get back together with him.

The first trial was hung as they could not reach a verdict. The second trial deliberated for two weeks before reaching a verdict. The main piece of evidence is the word of the victims against Masterson. The second piece of evidence which was barred from being used in the first trial but allowed in the second was the women's claim that they were "drugged." One stating she was completely unconscious and the other saying she felt drunk. No evidence other than the victims word.

He will be sentenced from 30 years to life.

Again, I don't know what happened but it does concern me that a man can be sentenced to basically the rest of his life for a crime that two women say happened 20 years ago. I do hope that the allegations were true and justice is being served because the opposite just sounds terrible and insane to me.

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Uh, who knows more about this case?

the ACTUAL American jury that heard all of the evidence and witnesses...

or some guy on a sports message board.

will there ever be a time when posters here just accept verdicts of jurors?

or you only want to be able to decide every single civil and criminal case based on votes by the F16?

I thought I lived in the United States of America -where the jury system was actually enshrined in our Founding documents.

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Will you admit that sometimes juries get it wrong? Who knew more about the two cases listed below?
We do live in the United States of America - where not only the jury system was enshrined in our Founding documents but so was the ability to appeal to a higher court to see if mistakes were made. When prosecutors withhold exculpatory evidence did the jury get it right?

https://www.kristv.com/news/6-investigates/judge-recommends-capital-murder-conviction-of-corpus-christi-man-serving-life-in-prison-be-overturned

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A man sentenced to life in prison for the capital murder killings of two Corpus Christi men may have his conviction overturned following the findings of a Nueces County District Court Judge.

Joe David Padron has spent the last 20 years behind bars for those killings, which were dubbed the "Mary Street Murders."

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/14/lamar-johnson-freed-28-years-missouri-prison

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A Missouri judge on Tuesday overturned the conviction of a man who has served nearly 28 years of a life sentence for a killing that he has always said he didn't commit.

Lamar Johnson, 50, closed his eyes and shook his head slightly as a member of his legal team patted him on the back when Judge David Mason issued his ruling. In coming to his decision, Mason explained that there had to be "reliable evidence of actual innocence evidence so reliable that it actually passes the standard of clear and convincing"

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I don't have a dog in the hunt of the OP, but go back and read the part I bolded.

I do think that Rape is a horrible crime and have previously stated that someone caught in the act of aggravated rape should be shot on the spot.

I also have realized that some women have falsely accused men of rape for whatever reasons. A he said/she said case would be one that I don't think I'd want to be on the jury for. On one hand you have the "innocent until proven guilty" and the other you have, to me, a crime up there with child abuse. To figure out which one is "more credible" wouldn't necessarily be the correct answer as the female could be a woman of questionable morals yet it could still be rape. The same thing with a POS male, he could have a history of hitting his girlfriend yet that doesn't mean the instance in question is rape.

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If it's been more than a couple years, it should be expired.

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"Expired" Say it in that yankee lady voice and have a chuckle

FrioAg 00 said:

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I haven't looked at any details, and I REALLY hope there is more evidence than the women's testimony decades later.

It's a very scary time for young men in general.

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Only if you like raping women but dislike being held accountable for raping women

There are some allegations floating around that LAPD chose not to thoroughly investigate the claims when they were first made. A lot of the investigation was not followed up on properly. Leah Remini and others are going after the LAPD pretty hard for how much they've looked the other way when Scientology does things.

LAPD has a history of being notoriously corrupt and it would not shock me if Scientology threw some money and other things around to keep these things quiet. That's what they do.

This Masterson stuff is just a drop in the bucket of what Scientology has been doing to people. There are people living in Scientology communes right now with little to no contact with the outside world. They don't let some of them finish high school before they join. They are given like $100 a month stipend for personal items and that's it. It's all they have and all they know. They can't leave.

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FrioAg 00 said:

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I haven't looked at any details, and I REALLY hope there is more evidence than the women's testimony decades later.

It's a very scary time for young men in general.

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Only if you like raping women but dislike being held accountable for raping women

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I have sons and daughters, so to suggest anything about this post is "pro rape" says a whole lot about your intelligence.

As stated, I certainly hope there was more evidence than what is described - because what is described is only he said she said from decades ago. The idea that anyone can be tried and convicted from that is scary as hell.

There is zero evidential value in the fact multiple accusers exist - because there are tons of recent examples of multiple women joining on to perpetuating lies, particularly when it sets up civil suits against rich men. So that fact means nothing.

This concept of "believe all women" is trash. Many of them are saints and angels. Many of them are horrible.

waiting for a jury to hear Tara Reade's case

FrioAg 00 said:

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TheTruthsLastHope said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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I haven't looked at any details, and I REALLY hope there is more evidence than the women's testimony decades later.

It's a very scary time for young men in general.

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Only if you like raping women but dislike being held accountable for raping women

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I have sons and daughters, so to suggest anything about this post is "pro rape" says a whole lot about your intelligence.

As stated, I certainly hope there was more evidence than what is described - because what is described is only he said she said from decades ago. The idea that anyone can be tried and convicted from that is scary as hell.

There is zero evidential value in the fact multiple accusers exist - because there are tons of recent examples of multiple women joining on to perpetuating lies, particularly when it sets up civil suits against rich men. So that fact means nothing.

This concept of "believe all women" is trash. Many of them are saints and angels. Many of them are horrible.

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I didn't mention or suggest the post being pro rape. I was referring to it being a very scary time in direct correlation to being found guilty of rape by a jury of your peers. That's only scary time if you enjoy raping women and not being held accountable. But if personal insults is how you need to convince yourself of your "intelligence" please proceed. You could always pull the case transcripts as a greater basis than what was "described" on TA message board where no one sat on the jury. Yes people can be convicted of crimes that don't have statute of limitations or where statue of limitations has not ran out, ie 20 years later. Are court systems don't allow for trials to reach sentencing with zero evidence, sorry if you're emotional about a rapist who was convicted of a rape from a long time ago but he shouldn't have raped those women. The concept of believe all women is something you've mentioned but has no basis in reality or being actually practiced. Women are found guilty of crimes in which they say they didn't commit everyday so that one example factually destroys your concept you believe in of believe all women. Humans are a horrible species regardless of gender, I don't need to be in the he man haters club to spin and make it seem if it's gender based.

Petrino1 said:

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Masterson's wikipedia page has several other allegations of rape/assault that I was unaware of. The allegation below... yikes.

Cedric Bixler-Zavala, singer for the bands The Mars Volta and At the Drive-In, alleged that Masterson sexually assaulted his wife, and stated that At the Drive-In's song "Incurably Innocent" (from the 2017 album Inter alia) is about the incident.

On January 22, 2020, Bixler-Zavala reported that a second of his family pets had to be put down due to being fed rat poison wrapped inside a rolled-up piece of raw meat, alleging this was done by Scientologists in response to his repeated public statements alleging Masterson raped his wife (who was one of the four women who filed suit against Masterson). Masterson has yet to directly respond to any of Bixler-Zavala's claims or his prior allegations made; the closest acknowledgment being Masterson's wife Bijou Phillips making an Instagram post mocking court papers against Masterson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Masterson

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Can't trust anyone with hyphenated last names.

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How did they ever find him guilty with that testimony? Were there more victims? Jeez.

They convicted him of rape when the victim literally said out loud, on the stand -- under oath --, that she didnt feel like she was raped?

That is some pretty scary ***** It's just their word against his. There's literally no proof, and they just sentenced him to decades.

I wasn't there, I don't know what happened but that's not right. There is no way that they had certainty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Sounds like they had a bunch of liberal women on the jury.

Just like with Kavanaugh and Trump basically today you can say anything happened. But have actual video of your pants-pooping idiot in the White House right now of literally molesting and touching children and women all over the place and no one cares.