They also collected over 1 million in fines. Where does that money go?

And they have their own collections division that is commission based

They are there to generate revenue. If I'm not mistaken, this was at one time a big liquor and beer sales area for people coming from Tyler. Smith County used to be bone dry. I bet they had a revenue drop when Smith County opened up alcohol sales and are using traffic enforcement to help get their numbers up.

But if you have 50 officers and only bring in a little over $1 million in tickets, that's barely paying for itself. Doesn't seem like they are being nearly efficient enough.

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They are there to generate revenue. If I'm not mistaken, this was at one time a big liquor and beer sales area for people coming from Tyler. Smith County used to be bone dry. I bet they had a revenue drop when Smith County opened up alcohol sales and are using traffic enforcement to help get their numbers up.

But if you have 50 officers and only bring in a little over $1 million in tickets, that's barely paying for itself. Doesn't seem like they are being nearly efficient enough.

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He hires 'full time' officers and lets them work from home doing collections.

Then they are allowed to do police side work. They arr hinting he gets a % of their side work revenue

https://www.khou.com/video/news/investigations/caught-on-camera-small-town-police-chief-goes-on-tirade/285-1343f446-0fec-4aa2-965b-f54fd2a438e2

They only generate revenue via traffic tickets to be able to justify the number of officers. The real gig is the security contracts. The owner of the security company makes a percentage of the overall business plus any profits. Real common to see retired law enforcement officers keep their badge with another agency and run small town politics. County commissioner, city council, etc. And of group of them will own a security company together. They hire off duty officer to work security jobs.
The underlying reason is the security company owned by those in power. And it's all legal.

We have land up near there. No one ever talked about CC in the past. It was a sleepy little town with a boat ramp. But now, after the new regime took control of the ticketing, all you hear about is the speed trap that CC has become.

Security work side hustle is where the money is and I can see a small town sheriff monetizing it.

Off duty LEO's are everywhere in uniform providing security
If you want to rent a facility like the expo center that is part of the cost of having an event there. Makes sense that a small town sheriff could have an oversized force and run a private security firm with off duty deputies

The deputies probably prefer working security at events which is less dangerous than evicting tenants of making traffic stops

Sounds like Manor, TX in the 80's and 90's. The town had about 3000 residents and about 50+ officers whose job was to ticket as many as possible. Spring breakers from A&M and t.u. were especially targeted*. I was one of them but being an older student, I didn't succumb to their kangaroo court. I appealed my ticket and took it to Travis County court. The officer who ticketed me (with three other students going to Austin) was the chief himself. He didn't show up for the trial, and I suggested they dismiss the case. I got glaring stares from the judge and prosecutor. I had a big drawing of the incident that intimidated them. The prosecutor took me aside and asked if I would take a driving course instead. I should have stood my ground, but I went along just to get it over with.

A couple of years later, the Texas legislature passed a law that stated any township of 3000 or less couldn't generate more than a certain amount of revenue from traffic fines (I can't remember the amount), and the excess money was to go to the state. Manor fired most of their force after that, and suddenly, all those police vehicles disappeared from their sham courthouse.

So, this practice in Coffee City is illegal and needs to be shut down by the State.

* The woman at the courthouse showed me two 3-inch stacks of tickets from students alone from Spring Break.

I'm failing to see what the problem is? Are they writing bs tickets or doing anything bad?

The rate at which people break the traffic laws here in texas is staggering... and cops basically don't pull people over anymore unless it's speeding.

Crossing solid white lines. Not stopping for right on red. Failure to yield. Cutting through a median. Stopping for a lane change because you werent paying attention... and at least 80% of the drivers in Texas don't know how to merge.

I35 is 10x worse than it needs to be because of the **** drivers here.

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Big family...

It's where all the liquor stores are. Smith county only sells beer/wine… so everyone in south Tyler goes there for liquor. East Tyler goes toward Kilgore, and north tyler for to Winona. West Tyler heads towards canton.

All of those areas are heavily patrolled speed traps, with very long speed decreases and increases in 5mph increments so they can hammer you for missing a sign.

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Security work side hustle is where the money is and I can see a small town sheriff monetizing it.

Off duty LEO's are everywhere in uniform providing security
If you want to rent a facility like the expo center that is part of the cost of having an event there. Makes sense that a small town sheriff could have an oversized force and run a private security firm with off duty deputies

The deputies probably prefer working security at events which is less dangerous than evicting tenants of making traffic stops

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Yep, traffic control is another one. In San Antonio they have it written in city construction contracts that the contractor MUST hire an off-duty police officer to monitor traffic when doing work in the ROW.

Maybe the other 200 are real a-holes.*


*Staff delete if warranted. Still funny.

All government employees. But especially thieving traffic cops

This explains why every construction project in ETX has Coffee City cops working it.

Ok, ill be honest. I just realized Coffee city is the joint across the lake from us. We are still newbies out here. I see someone pulled over every-time we head to Frankston.

None of this surprises me.

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This explains why every construction project in ETX has Coffee City cops working it.

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Exactly. In our area the biggest gig is pipeline construction. The project requires county road bonds the county commissioners must approve. Guess who gets the very lucrative contracts to provide night time security for the expensive equipment and do the police escorts for oversized loads during the construction.
And then the same commissioners are responsible for getting all the rural county roads repaired after they are torn up by the heavy loads of pipe and equipment when the project is completed.
And this is just one of numerous examples.

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Security work side hustle is where the money is and I can see a small town sheriff monetizing it.

Off duty LEO's are everywhere in uniform providing security
If you want to rent a facility like the expo center that is part of the cost of having an event there. Makes sense that a small town sheriff could have an oversized force and run a private security firm with off duty deputies

The deputies probably prefer working security at events which is less dangerous than evicting tenants of making traffic stops

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Yep, traffic control is another one. In San Antonio they have it written in city construction contracts that the contractor MUST hire an off-duty police officer to monitor traffic when doing work in the ROW.

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For highway construction projects TxDOT defines when an off duty officer must be present then TxDOT reimburses that cost. In other words the state dictates the need then covers the cost. My guess is local municipalities follow that model. Off duty cops are very expensive so I'm certain you're only seeing them when it's required or the need is justified.

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Security work side hustle is where the money is and I can see a small town sheriff monetizing it.

Off duty LEO's are everywhere in uniform providing security
If you want to rent a facility like the expo center that is part of the cost of having an event there. Makes sense that a small town sheriff could have an oversized force and run a private security firm with off duty deputies

The deputies probably prefer working security at events which is less dangerous than evicting tenants of making traffic stops

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Yep, traffic control is another one. In San Antonio they have it written in city construction contracts that the contractor MUST hire an off-duty police officer to monitor traffic when doing work in the ROW.

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For highway construction projects TxDOT defines when an off duty officer must be present then TxDOT reimburses that cost. In other words the state dictates the need then covers the cost. My guess is local municipalities follow that model. Off duty cops are very expensive so I'm certain you're only seeing them when it's required or the need is justified.

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My cousin used to be a motorcycle cop in Austin. He told me he made more money, escorting windmill blades through the city as required by city code, and than he did working as a cop.

Reminds me of Iowa Colony. Cops would drive right up on your ass, hoping you would accelerate a bit to put some distance between you and them, then nail you for speeding. This was on 288 just south of Houston. I believe the State of Texas shut this down in the 90s.

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This is just extortion. This makes people hate the police

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This is just extortion. This makes people hate the police

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I would love to hear some of the phone calls to collect. Doubt they were conducted legally.

cop land

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Sounds like Manor, TX in the 80's and 90's. The town had about 3000 residents and about 50+ officers whose job was to ticket as many as possible. Spring breakers from A&M and t.u. were especially targeted*. I was one of them but being an older student, I didn't succumb to their kangaroo court. I appealed my ticket and took it to Travis County court. The officer who ticketed me (with three other students going to Austin) was the chief himself. He didn't show up for the trial, and I suggested they dismiss the case. I got glaring stares from the judge and prosecutor. I had a big drawing of the incident that intimidated them. The prosecutor took me aside and asked if I would take a driving course instead. I should have stood my ground, but I went along just to get it over with.

A couple of years later, the Texas legislature passed a law that stated any township of 3000 or less couldn't generate more than a certain amount of revenue from traffic fines (I can't remember the amount), and the excess money was to go to the state. Manor fired most of their force after that, and suddenly, all those police vehicles disappeared from their sham courthouse.

So, this practice in Coffee City is illegal and needs to be shut down by the State.

* The woman at the courthouse showed me two 3-inch stacks of tickets from students alone from Spring Break.

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That was the Selma Law. Selma was a notorious speed trap in the 70's and 80's.

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2ndGen87 said:

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I would love to hear some of the phone calls to collect. Doubt they were conducted legally. I w

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I wonder if they accepted Amazon gift cards as payment.

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Sounds like Manor, TX in the 80's and 90's. The town had about 3000 residents and about 50+ officers whose job was to ticket as many as possible. Spring breakers from A&M and t.u. were especially targeted*. I was one of them but being an older student, I didn't succumb to their kangaroo court. I appealed my ticket and took it to Travis County court. The officer who ticketed me (with three other students going to Austin) was the chief himself. He didn't show up for the trial, and I suggested they dismiss the case. I got glaring stares from the judge and prosecutor. I had a big drawing of the incident that intimidated them. The prosecutor took me aside and asked if I would take a driving course instead. I should have stood my ground, but I went along just to get it over with.

A couple of years later, the Texas legislature passed a law that stated any township of 3000 or less couldn't generate more than a certain amount of revenue from traffic fines (I can't remember the amount), and the excess money was to go to the state. Manor fired most of their force after that, and suddenly, all those police vehicles disappeared from their sham courthouse.

So, this practice in Coffee City is illegal and needs to be shut down by the State.

* The woman at the courthouse showed me two 3-inch stacks of tickets from students alone from Spring Break.

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That was the Selma Law. Selma was a notorious speed trap in the 70's and 80's.

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Schertz/Cibilo/Selma...

I remember the nice drive up from NE SA to New Braunfels in HS. Head on a swivel...

Most of the cops are reserve, not full-time.

The warrant division has been shut down because it probably does not meet the legal standards. They lived out of town and were paid by collection fees, but still considered "full time" officers. That seems to not meet the legal requirements for full time status and pay.

Don't want to help their revenue stream, don't speed through their town.


BTW, 70% of ticket revenue goes to the state, not the agency/ municipality issuing the ticket.

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Most of the cops are reserve, not full-time.

The warrant division has been shut down because it probably does not meet the legal standards. They lived out of town and were paid by collection fees, but still considered "full time" officers. That seems to not meet the legal requirements for full time status and pay.

Don't want to help their revenue stream, don't speed through their town.


BTW, 70% of ticket revenue goes to the state, not the agency/ municipality issuing the ticket.

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The court fees go directly to the city, over $1MM.

> Does a town of 250 need 50 cops?

It's 250 *******s

The Chief also failed to disclose his FTA warrant in FL for DUI.

This whole thing is a scam.

Cops

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Security work side hustle is where the money is and I can see a small town sheriff monetizing it.

Off duty LEO's are everywhere in uniform providing security
If you want to rent a facility like the expo center that is part of the cost of having an event there. Makes sense that a small town sheriff could have an oversized force and run a private security firm with off duty deputies

The deputies probably prefer working security at events which is less dangerous than evicting tenants of making traffic stops

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Yep, traffic control is another one. In San Antonio they have it written in city construction contracts that the contractor MUST hire an off-duty police officer to monitor traffic when doing work in the ROW.

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For highway construction projects TxDOT defines when an off duty officer must be present then TxDOT reimburses that cost. In other words the state dictates the need then covers the cost. My guess is local municipalities follow that model. Off duty cops are very expensive so I'm certain you're only seeing them when it's required or the need is justified.

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My cousin used to be a motorcycle cop in Austin. He told me he made more money, escorting windmill blades through the city as required by city code, and than he did working as a cop.

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Definitely some truth to that. I have an uncle that's Dallas PD and Dallas doesn't let sergeant and up work off duty so he's refused that promotion because he had a standing gig with one of the area hospitals and makes more there plus three give him access to their 401(k). Off duty is good money for sure.

The way to cut the head off the cartel in the US is to start with our own domestic politicians and 3 letter agencies.

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They only generate revenue via traffic tickets to be able to justify the number of officers. The real gig is the security contracts. The owner of the security company makes a percentage of the overall business plus any profits. Real common to see retired law enforcement officers keep their badge with another agency and run small town politics. County commissioner, city council, etc. And of group of them will own a security company together. They hire off duty officer to work security jobs.
The underlying reason is the security company owned by those in power. And it's all legal.

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And that should stop forthwith. I am not against people using professional experience and training to start up a business to provide security, but all ties to law enforcement should cease at that point.