I think we tried playing defense having our own War on Drugs but that has failed. Vivek and DeSantis have said they would go on offense and take on the cartel with US forces. I'm sure the military has drawn up plans for taking out the cartel but no president has taken the fight to them.

Here are some challenges I can think of

• Will we have Mexican government cooperation
• Will US congress support it
• Would this trigger a Mexican civil war
• Mexico is our largest trading partner, about 20%
• Cartel backed terrorist attacks in the United States
• Millions of potential Mexican sympathizers inside the US
• Mexican invasion provide cover to China to invade Taiwan
• Will rest of world support after disastrous invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya
• Will we have to rebuild and what to do with even bigger refugee crisis if its a civil war

Why would the Biden admin go to war with the Mexican cartel? They have the same objectives.

Good grief, wake up.

Vivek and DeSantis have said they would go on offense and take on the cartel with US forces.

I think you missed that part.

Very poorly. We would *****foot around much of it instead of a real war like when we took on the Nazis.

This will be a fun thread. What needs to be done most couldnt stomach it. Other than that, it will be a long and drawn out process.

Ever seen an A-10 Brrrrrrrt?

Precision drone strikes on known cartel facilities would be a great start

Logos Stick said:

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Why would the Biden admin go to war with the Mexican cartel? They have the same objectives.

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Joe's probably getting more than his normal 10% on this deal.

They will end up killing some women and children. Social media will be in outrage about the racism and evil US government killing innocent people while the cartels do it without any pushback .

200,000 more people will die of fentanyl overdoses.

Massive number of terror attacks in the US including bombings, mass shootings, hostage taking, etc. Schools would be a primary target.

HarryJ33tamu said:

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Precision drone strikes on known cartel facilities would be a great start

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Drones are the obvious most likely weapon, but I'd stop short of saying it'd be effective. The corruption is so pervasive that it'll survive anything short of a complete takeover of Mexico.

This is what's in the rear with the gear:

HarryJ33tamu said:

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Precision drone strikes on known cartel facilities would be a great start

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We used to call these "cruise missiles" IIRC. Specifically "Tomahawks"

We would evacuate and they would capture all our equipment.

China is already fighting a proxy war against us through the cartels by supplying fentanyl precursors. The cartels provide final production and the supply chain, plus cover for terrorists and operatives coming through our southern border.

Mexico's political leadership is compromised, and will likely support ramping-up China's involvement if we get aggressive. They may also invite the Russians to join in.

The border needs to be closed yesterday and illegal drug smuggling needs to be punishable by death.

we'd need provisional open season instant fatal justice for anybody taking their money.

A war against the cartels would be covert with the occasional drone strike. The CIA would use cartel informants to rat each other out. The CIA would basically be choosing the the winning cartel and regulating the amount of narcotics and imposing 'taxes' or kickbacks to CIA run shell companies.

I think it's a bad idea.

It would be cheaper to just pay the cartels to spike 2% of their product with lethal doses of fentanyl. All the hard core addicts will be gone soon enough and the recreational users will be frightened away from using.

Satellite of Love said:

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Very poorly. We would *****foot around much of it instead of a real war like when we took on the Nazis.

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lb3 said:

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A war against the cartels would be covert with the occasional drone strike. The CIA would use cartel informants to rat each other out. The CIA would basically be choosing the the winning cartel and regulating the amount of narcotics and imposing 'taxes' or kickbacks to CIA run shell companies.

I think it's a bad idea.

It would be cheaper to just pay the cartels to spike 2% of their product with lethal doses of fentanyl. All the hard core addicts will be gone soon enough and the recreational users will be frightened away from using.

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your number 1 sounds like sad the reality.
In the second scenario, if we paid them to kill off their drug clientele, they'd really have to step up their avocado and human trafficking game.

I see them like Isis, who was somebody's destabilizing army that was built and funded and allowed to exist.
The cartels are good earners for somebody, and they could be taken out, but instead, like you said, are worked with and allowed to exist.

The Walking Dead.

Maybe Firefly dealing with the Reapers.

Senseless deaths, violence, destructions, rapes, robberies, and hopes they make the change.


Glad I no longer live in Texas if it happens.

I don't know but it needs to happen. Question is if it should happen before or after America is restored.

It would require a completely closed border. As others have said, they would bring their domestic terrorism here. We'd have to root them out and kill every single one of them. The only bright side is that the any war on the cartels would not be ideological, and some of them could simply be bought off. They also wouldn't engage in suicide attacks, because they like living.

The people I've talk to that are from there have said it would go over poorly. Something about the Mexican Government saying US soldiers are not allowed in Mexico. They acted like unfortunately war with the cartel would be war with Mexico.

ShaggySLC said:

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The people I've talk to that are from there have said it would go over poorly. Something about the Mexican Government saying US soldiers are not allowed in Mexico. They acted like unfortunately war with the cartel would be war with Mexico.

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If they got an honest deal from the USA the Mexican gov and (I think) the people would welcome the help. They'd like more control over their country. The government only really controls the middle of the country, east and west of Mexico City and surrounding that area..the most densely populated. Sure they send soldiers to the borders, but control is mostly contingent on that presence.
But the cartels earn a lot of money not just for themselves, and they can also be an asset of influence on the government.

Biden isn't fighting his partners.

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ShaggySLC said:

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The people I've talk to that are from there have said it would go over poorly. Something about the Mexican Government saying US soldiers are not allowed in Mexico. They acted like unfortunately war with the cartel would be war with Mexico.

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If they got an honest deal from the USA the Mexican gov and (I think) the people would welcome the help. They'd like more control over their country. The government only really controls the middle of the country, east and west of Mexico City and surrounding that area..the most densely populated. Sure they send soldiers to the borders, but control is mostly contingent on that presence.
But the cartels earn a lot of money not just for themselves, and they can also be an asset of influence on the government.

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That's what I would think. I was surprised to hear them say that. The cartel controls a lot by their definition. The are guys from small towns there and ranches here for construction, so their opinion might differ from someone from Mexico City. The cartel is the only way they're allowed or can get here it sounds like.

I think you wildly missed the mark on the Mexican government. It's every man for themselves. Honestly you'd probably see a lot of Tom Clancy style reciprocity stuff. I would also sink a couple of Chinese ships headed to the Cartels so deep in the Pacific you would never find them.

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I think you wildly missed the mark on the Mexican government. It's every man for themselves. Honestly you'd probably see a lot of Tom Clancy style reciprocity stuff. I would also sink a couple of Chinese ships headed to the Cartels so deep in the Pacific you would never find them.

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Absent the sinking Chinese ships, US soldiers under CIA direction would be something to consider if you keep the locals out of the loop to prevent informants.

Hoyt Ag said:

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This will be a fun thread. What needs to be done most couldnt stomach it. Other than that, it will be a long and drawn out process.

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This

Americans, on the whole, are giant wussies. While the cartel will literally saw your head off with a rusty knife.

aezmvp said:

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I think you wildly missed the mark on the Mexican government. It's every man for themselves. Honestly you'd probably see a lot of Tom Clancy style reciprocity stuff. I would also sink a couple of Chinese ships headed to the Cartels so deep in the Pacific you would never find them.

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well lets say the current Mexican gov, because they change. The current presidente, a socialist, likes Trump. And part of that is because he believes Trump would actually help him take out the cartels. Instead of what's been going on, operation fast and furious is just the tip of the tip...

the cartels are an asset just like noriega was an asset.. then he got uppity. unfortunately we didn't attack panama to stop the drug trade. we did it to send a message to future cartels. partners/assets

ShaggySLC said:

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The people I've talk to that are from there have said it would go over poorly. Something about the Mexican Government saying US soldiers are not allowed in Mexico. They acted like unfortunately war with the cartel would be war with Mexico.

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Hoyt Ag said:

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This will be a fun thread. What needs to be done most couldnt stomach it. Other than that, it will be a long and drawn out process.

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This

Americans, on the whole, are giant wussies. While the cartel will literally saw your head off with a rusty knife.

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Marcus and Morgan Luttrell would like a word.

aggiehawg said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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This will be a fun thread. What needs to be done most couldnt stomach it. Other than that, it will be a long and drawn out process.

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This

Americans, on the whole, are giant wussies. While the cartel will literally saw your head off with a rusty knife.

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Marcus ad Morgan Luttrell would like a word.

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"On the whole"....

BigRobSA said:

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aggiehawg said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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This will be a fun thread. What needs to be done most couldnt stomach it. Other than that, it will be a long and drawn out process.

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This

Americans, on the whole, are giant wussies. While the cartel will literally saw your head off with a rusty knife.

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Marcus ad Morgan Luttrell would like a word.

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"On the whole"....

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Bombs and drones cover a lot of those weaknesses