Tucker Carlson's interview on Monday was with Colonel Douglas McGregor (retired). McGregor, who is a defense industry consultant, claimed that Ukraine is losing the war badly and that US troops and NATO will soon be on the ground in Ukraine fighting Russians. He also claimed that Russians are kidnapping Ukrainian children. Oh, if you believe it all, it's a mess and perhaps the national media in the US isn't reporting the facts. Yeah, I don't trust anything anymore.

Here's the McGregor interview:

Ep. 18 Into the abyss: Colonel Douglas Macgregor tells us why the Ukraine war must end now. pic.twitter.com/a3bGLvJC4s

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) August 21, 2023

Is McGregor correct?

First he claimed 400,000 Ukrianian casualties. Reuters and the NY Times claim 500,000 casualties on both sides, with Russia suffering 300,000 of them (roughly). Ukraine has suffered 220,000. That's a bunch of dead and maimed for smaller Ukraine. source.

McGregor also alleged that the children of Ukraine are going missing. The WSJ backs up that claim with today's story, "Ukrainian Children Brought to Camps in Belarus, Exposed to Pro-Kremlin Propaganda" (free link from my account)


We all watched the way Biden (or who controls Biden) handled the withdrawal from Afghanistan. What makes me or anyone else believe this clown show is handling Ukraine any different? The McGregor interview made be very nervous and not much truthful press to calm my fears.

Who is telling the truth about the Ukraine War?

sa said:

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Who is telling the truth about the Ukraine War?

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That's hard to say. Propaganda is a powerful weapon.

What we can be sure of is that politicians in several countries are enriching themselves on American taxpayer money.

There will be 3 or 4 posters along shortly to explain why McGregor is a dirty russkie hoe spreading propaganda.

sanangelo said:

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Tucker Carlson's interview on Monday was with Colonel Douglas McGregor (retired). McGregor, who is a defense industry consultant, claimed that Ukraine is losing the war badly and that US troops and NATO will soon be on the ground in Ukraine fighting Russians. He also claimed that Russians are kidnapping Ukrainian children. Oh, if you believe it all, it's a mess and perhaps the national media in the US isn't reporting the facts. Yeah, I don't trust anything anymore.

Here's the McGregor interview:

Ep. 18 Into the abyss: Colonel Douglas Macgregor tells us why the Ukraine war must end now. pic.twitter.com/a3bGLvJC4s

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) August 21, 2023

Is McGregor correct?

First he claimed 400,000 Ukrianian casualties. Reuters and the NY Times claim 500,000 casualties on both sides, with Russia suffering 300,000 of them (roughly). Ukraine has suffered 220,000. That's a bunch of dead and maimed for smaller Ukraine. source.

McGregor also alleged that the children of Ukraine are going missing. The WSJ backs up that claim with today's story, "Ukrainian Children Brought to Camps in Belarus, Exposed to Pro-Kremlin Propaganda" (free link from my account)


We all watched the way Biden (or who controls Biden) handled the withdrawal from Afghanistan. What makes me or anyone else believe this clown show is handling Ukraine any different? The McGregor interview made be very nervous and not much truthful press to calm my fears.

Who is telling the truth about the Ukraine War?

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McGregor is a loon who's been parroting Russian talking points for two years now.

He's about as non biased on this topic as Rachel Maddow is talking about gay rights.

Ben Domenech in this morning's The Transom:

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It's really not worth debunking Colonel Douglas Macgregor, because he's long been established as a mouthpiece for pro-Russia propaganda with scant relation with the truth. Literally his first answer to Tucker Carlson includes an incredible falsehood, that "Ukraine now we think have lost 400,000 men killed in battle." While the numbers we actually have are indeed staggering, the actual military deaths for Ukraine are believed to be 70,000, with another 120,000 wounded compared to Russian figures believed to be 300,000 casualties including 120,000 deaths. When he's off by that much right off the bat, you know you're not going to be getting the best information.

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However, Ben backed up McGregor on the missing kids.

More at The Transom.

Well, that didn't take long.

I trust absolutely no one when it comes to Ukraine. We know that Russia is trying to put the band back together so to speak and invaded another country. We know that many of our politicians are bought and paid for and a big conduit for that runs through Ukraine. Everyone has dirty hands here and you cannot trust anything from either side.

His numbers are questionable, to say the least.

jefe95 said:

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There will be 3 or 4 posters along shortly to explain why McGregor is a dirty russkie hoe spreading propaganda.

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McGregor is a Russian shrill, always has been. He has been predicting Ukraine losing since day 1.

The truth is, there is so much propaganda being put out by both sides that the truth is so buried no one has a clue what it is, and the government sure as hell isn't going to tell us.

And obligatory, there are no good sides in this conflict.

Russia is the aggressive bully with Putin trying to reconstitute the Russian Empire.

Ukraine is a ultra-corrupt ****hole country.

I don't believe what anybody says about this, it's all propaganda.

On casualties -- Domenech is quoting the NY Post that is quoting the NY Times (Reuters also quotes the NY Times). The NY Times admits no one, Ukraine or Russia officials, will confirm. Who the hell knows what the casualties are? Are there any other sources other than the NY Times?

Dude, I get that Tucker can be good on some domestic issues. But McGregor is a kook. He's been wrong a ton of times on this. He said the war would be over in 10 more days last year on Fox. He says the casualty ratio is something like 5 Ukrainians to every Russian. He is saying that the Russians are being very cautious and judicious about how they send in their men and that Russia is stronger now than they were in the 80s.

It's just whack job level stuff. After the Russians got the door slammed on them at the airfields, Kharkiv and northeast of Kyiv it was immediately clear this wasn't over in 10 days. The Russians are clearly receiving casualties far in excess of 5 to 1. At best they're at parity. The Russians basically haven't armed and equipped mobliks and sent huge numbers in wave attacks that got minced.

Tucker is mostly an isolationist, the impulse to that I understand if not agree with. But this McGregor guy isn't realistic, authoritative or frankly believable. It is great red meat for certain sectors though. Look I get wanting to spend money on our sovereignty. We can and should prioritize that first above sending stuff to the Ukes. But clearly that money is not going to get spent on defending our border right now. It's sad but true. That doesn't mean ignoring this situation would have been a better outcome. At the very least it appears to have deterred or set back Chinese plans in regards to Taiwan which would have a direct and dire impact on our economy along with the US ending up in a peer to peer conflict. That's worth it, at least in my opinion. I want money spent on fixing our border and clearing out illegals as much as anyone, but the two goals aren't mutually exclusive. And yes our border is a more immediate and troublesome crisis to our citizens than the Ukraine. Totally understand that point of view. Doesn't mean that this isn't a worthwhile endeavor and it looks like it will lead to positive changes in parts of defense supply chain that were obviously a weak point.

But don't put any stock into McGregor, he's a crazy dude.

The only person/persons winning this war right now, are Zelenskyy and the biden people. Whom have stolen billions and billions from the American tax payers.

I don't think I trust anyone when it comes to Uke war propoganda, but if Ukraine was losing badly, shouldn't they be, I don't know, losing? They are gaining some ground, which doesn't seem like losing badly.

maybe this time he's right?

2-27-22 Macgregor said Ukrainians have 24 hours to surrender because the “game is over”

3-5-22 he predicted the war would be over within 10 days

9-12-22 he said Ukrainians are “desperate” and “war may be over soon”

Starting to think he might not know what he’s talking about… https://t.co/qYdXXdiCEN

— AG (@AGHamilton29) July 3, 2023

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Dude, I get that Tucker can be good on some domestic issues. But McGregor is a kook. He's been wrong a ton of times on this. He said the war would be over in 10 more days last year on Fox. He says the casualty ratio is something like 5 Ukrainians to every Russian. He is saying that the Russians are being very cautious and judicious about how they send in their men and that Russia is stronger now than they were in the 80s.

It's just whack job level stuff. After the Russians got the door slammed on them at the airfields, Kharkiv and northeast of Kyiv it was immediately clear this wasn't over in 10 days. The Russians are clearly receiving casualties far in excess of 5 to 1. At best they're at parity. The Russians basically haven't armed and equipped mobliks and sent huge numbers in wave attacks that got minced.

Tucker is mostly an isolationist, the impulse to that I understand if not agree with. But this McGregor guy isn't realistic, authoritative or frankly believable. It is great red meat for certain sectors though. Look I get wanting to spend money on our sovereignty. We can and should prioritize that first above sending stuff to the Ukes. But clearly that money is not going to get spent on defending our border right now. It's sad but true. That doesn't mean ignoring this situation would have been a better outcome. At the very least it appears to have deterred or set back Chinese plans in regards to Taiwan which would have a direct and dire impact on our economy along with the US ending up in a peer to peer conflict. That's worth it, at least in my opinion. I want money spent on fixing our border and clearing out illegals as much as anyone, but the two goals aren't mutually exclusive. And yes our border is a more immediate and troublesome crisis to our citizens than the Ukraine. Totally understand that point of view. Doesn't mean that this isn't a worthwhile endeavor and it looks like it will lead to positive changes in parts of defense supply chain that were obviously a weak point.

But don't put any stock into McGregor, he's a crazy dude.

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I'll echo the sentiments that no side can be trusted with this conflict.

- Biden Admin pumps up Zelenskyy as a 'freedom fighter'
- Zelenskyy arrogantly claims our 'children' will be fighting for his country one day if they don't win now
- People like McGregor claiming we're on the brink of sending in American and NATO troops
- People like Mike Pence claiming that if we "don't fight 'em where they are now" that Russia will take over Ukraine and invade a NATO country immediately...causing a bigger war with U.S. ground troops

Ukraine isn't losing the war badly. They're just not making much progress on the counter offensive yet. Russia did a good job of putting out craploads of mines, making progress tedious.

Ukraine has now focused on causing Russia logistical problems in the south and precision targeting Russian artillery and artillery radars, and are getting about a 2-3 to 1 kill ratio on them. Russia is closing in on being at an artillery disadvantage, and that will cause them big problems on defense.

This war unfortunately will not resolve quickly. Russia is extremely stubborn and is politically all in on something it could call success, and Ukraine pretty much hates Russia now, and so don't see it relenting either.

It'll go through another winter and this one will really test Russian logistics and stating power, and morale.

Gigem314 said:

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I'll echo the sentiments that no side can be trusted with this conflict.

- Biden Admin pumps up Zelenskyy as a 'freedom fighter'
- Zelenskyy arrogantly claims our 'children' will be fighting for his country one day if they don't win now
- People like McGregor claiming we're on the brink of sending in American and NATO troops
- People like Mike Pence claiming that if we "don't fight 'em where they are now" that Russia will take over Ukraine and invade a NATO country immediately...causing a bigger war with U.S. ground troops

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…and Biden keeps saying that Ukraine can't be a NATO member right now.

Stories about us starting a draft and going to Ukraine to fight alongside the Ukrainians is fear mongering.

The majority of DoD is still focused on modernizing and prepping for China.

Remember in 2014 you didn't care about Crimea? Couldn't find Ukraine on a map? But then all your mask/vax buddies started posting the flag on their Facebook?

Psyop.

I'm not 100% ready to go all in, but my $1000 to your $1.00 this all goes back to Hunter/Joe coverup and/or the biolabs.

So where does Putin fit in to this conspiracy?

jefe95 said:

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There will be 3 or 4 posters along shortly to explain why McGregor Tucker is a dirty russkie hoe spreading propaganda.

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I'm not even sure there's a war there. If Brad Paisley can fly in for photos is there really a war?

Teslag said:

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So where does Putin fit in to this conspiracy?

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Just doing what he did in 2014 when Obama promised a reset.

I don't put much stock in McGregor, tbf, so take that as you may.

He spouts some occasional inconvenient truths, but his prognostications have proven to be incorrect many times over in this conflict. The coverage is heavily warped on/for both sides, as stated by others. I think folks interested in some useful truth/actual data can go dig up from a variety of sources likely/estimated casualty figures for both sides...and rapidly reach the conclusion it is unsustainable for much longer for Ukraine in particular.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Ukraine isn't losing the war badly. They're just not making much progress on the counter offensive yet. Russia did a good job of putting out craploads of mines, making progress tedious.

Ukraine has now focused on causing Russia logistical problems in the south and precision targeting Russian artillery and artillery radars, and are getting about a 2-3 to 1 kill ratio on them. Russia is closing in on being at an artillery disadvantage, and that will cause them big problems on defense.

This war unfortunately will not resolve quickly. Russia is extremely stubborn and is politically all in on something it could call success, and Ukraine pretty much hates Russia now, and so don't see it relenting either.

It'll go through another winter and this one will really test Russian logistics and stating power, and morale. Ukraine and their ability to survive another winter with bleak economic outlooks and Western Europe to survive another bleak economic outlook, energy concerns during winter and pending major elections (cough USA cough).

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It should be clear that Ukraine suffers a far more pressing urgency to win because of the waning will of the Western Europeans and soon America. Biden and democrats will be desperate for Ukraine to not still be a big issue or potential big issue come fall of 2024.

jja79 said:

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I'm not even sure there's a war there. If Brad Paisley can fly in for photos is there really a war?

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^this

I don't believe a single thing that's reported on this topic.

Towns03 said:

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jja79 said:

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I'm not even sure there's a war there. If Brad Paisley can fly in for photos is there really a war?

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^this

I don't believe a single thing that's reported on this topic.

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Me neither. I was done after Ghost of Kiev and snake island

Robert L. Peters said:

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Remember in 2014 you didn't care about Crimea? Couldn't find Ukraine on a map? But then all your mask/vax buddies started posting the flag on their Facebook?

Psyop.

I'm not 100% ready to go all in, but my $1000 to your $1.00 this all goes back to Hunter/Joe coverup and/or the biolabs.

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My money is on NATO and the Nazis on the bingo card, but Joe/Hunter cover up and Biolabs were tempting. I recall coup, LGBTQ, native Russians being abused, and some other rationales too.

In the end it's whatever works for you.

Towns03 said:

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jja79 said:

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I'm not even sure there's a war there. If Brad Paisley can fly in for photos is there really a war?

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^this

I don't believe a single thing that's reported on this topic.

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So you think there's no war at all? And it's just all made up?

no one knows the actual truth about what is going on in ukaraine. i have no idea about the casualties on either side.

i do however know that typically the country that has control of the air has a big advantage. it seems that would be russia since zelensky is constantly complaining about not having f16s.

nm

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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no one knows the actual truth about what is going on in ukaraine. i have no idea about the casualties on either side.

i do however know that typically the country that has control of the air has a big advantage. it seems that would be russia since zelensky is constantly complaining about not having f16s.

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Zelensky hasn't even seen Top Gun Maverick. If he had he'd know the f16s are obsolete! And people think he can lead Ukraine to victory...

jefe95 said:

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There will be 3 or 4 posters along shortly to explain why McGregor is a dirty russkie hoe spreading propaganda.

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Yep - they always go there.

McGregor served our nation honorably.

He deserves to be listened to.

He is no ally of Putin either.