Two completely different times in US history, I wonder how they'll compare in the end. Right now looks like the Maui fire will be worse.


Chicago Fire

The fire killed approximately 300 people, over 17,000 structures, and left more than 100,000 residents homeless.

$222 million (1871 USD)
(approx. $5.4 billion in 2022)

Burned area
2,112 acres (8.55 km2)


Maui Fire

The fire so far has killed approximately 114 people with 850 displaced, 20 missing, over 2,200 structures

Burned area
At least 3,200 acres (12.94 km2)

Property damage
$5.5B

Being on an island didn't help.

https://instagr.am/p/CwNf2K3Mt03

Did they really kill 1000 people?

And waited until Biden left….

Burrus86 said:

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techno-ag said:

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Being on an island didn't help.

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Having Joe Biden for President did not help.

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I know Grant had his issues, but yeah, they had a better president.

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When the Chicago Fire occurred in October 1871, Grant had been president for two years and six months. Grant responded to the disaster by sending General Phillip Sheridan and six companies of federal troops to maintain the city. As well, the president sent federal aid to help rebuild Chicago.

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Even CNN is pissed about the lack of details coming out of Maui:

"There are potentially 1,000 people who have perished in the wildfires. How can we not know more about this, this many days out?"
pic.twitter.com/fqcH79odra

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) August 20, 2023

techno-ag said:

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Being on an island didn't help.

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Well at least it can only spread so far.

Seeing some of those cars on front street with all doors closed...I am hoping most of those were people fleeing to the waters and shutting their doors just in case, but a buddy was telling me about a vid he saw of a local woman (forgot her position, but it wasn't just some rando off the streets) claiming that the death toll is at least 1,000-1,500, maybe more, with many of those people basically being cremated by the extreme heat, leaving no remains for search parties, cadaver dogs etc. She claims a lot of those people were trapped and cremated in their cars because the files spread so fast. I am hoping that is not the case...but there did not appear to be many people who made it into the ocean.

Seems like if 1,000+ people were truly unaccounted for, in an area that small, we would be hearing so much more about it from the locals. That would be a very significant % of the local population, and a lot of tourists with families.

techno-ag said:

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Being on an island didn't help.

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...a tropical island surrounded by water...

Official unaccounted for is 850. That was released 4 hours ago by the mayor.

Mrs. O'Leary's Cow strikes again!

I think local leaders are slow-walking what they know in order to protect themselves as much as possible.

The media won't really press -- or dig into people's stories -- so they know they can get away with it.

Secolobo said:

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techno-ag said:

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Being on an island didn't help.

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...a tropical island surrounded by water...

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Which they couldn't access easily.

If you've spent any time there you know how difficult moving resources is. One of the reasons everything is more expensive is almost every thing has to be flown in. And Maui isn't even the main island.

At least in Chicago people could get there easily to help and send supplies.

GeorgiAg said:

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Mrs. O'Leary's Cow strikes again!

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That's one damn old cow.

Has anyone seen the videos of the guy being interviewed who said the cops blocked the road and weren't letting people out?! Any reporting on that??? Or is it just another conspiracy theory like all the rest?

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Secolobo said:

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techno-ag said:

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Being on an island didn't help.

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...a tropical island surrounded by water...

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Which they couldn't access easily.

If you've spent any time there you know how difficult moving resources is. One of the reasons everything is more expensive is almost every thing has to be flown in. And Maui isn't even the main island.

At least in Chicago people could get there easily to help and send supplies.

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There are what? A quarter of a million troops stationed in Hawaii? With ships, helicopters, planes, etc? And they can't get there? 45 minutes awat by air?

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That's likely political more than logistics.

They can thank the Jones Act too. Liberalism fails every time it is tried.

techno-ag said:

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aggiehawg said:

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techno-ag said:

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Secolobo said:

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techno-ag said:

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Being on an island didn't help.

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...a tropical island surrounded by water...

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Which they couldn't access easily.

If you've spent any time there you know how difficult moving resources is. One of the reasons everything is more expensive is almost every thing has to be flown in. And Maui isn't even the main island.

At least in Chicago people could get there easily to help and send supplies.

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There are what? A quarter of a million troops stationed in Hawaii? With ships, helicopters, planes, etc? And they can't get there? 45 minutes awat by air?

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That's likely political more than logistics.

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And that's supposed to excuse it somehow?

aggiehawg said:

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techno-ag said:

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aggiehawg said:

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techno-ag said:

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Secolobo said:

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techno-ag said:

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Being on an island didn't help.

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...a tropical island surrounded by water...

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Which they couldn't access easily.

If you've spent any time there you know how difficult moving resources is. One of the reasons everything is more expensive is almost every thing has to be flown in. And Maui isn't even the main island.

At least in Chicago people could get there easily to help and send supplies.

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There are what? A quarter of a million troops stationed in Hawaii? With ships, helicopters, planes, etc? And they can't get there? 45 minutes awat by air?

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That's likely political more than logistics.

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And that's supposed to excuse it somehow?

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Of course not. I think you have me confused with another poster.

Q: when assessing damage - do they just take the real estate value? …cause the beachfront property is still beachfront - whether it has a structure on it or not.

Not to downplay anything, just wondering if a $900k lot with a $100k structure is being reported as a $1M loss.

Did Chicago have gale force winds too like Maui did that day or did they have to deal with some other act of God?

aTmAg said:

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They can thank the Jones Act too. Liberalism fails every time it is tried.

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I remember the impact that had on Puerto Rico, but how does it nail Hawaii?

Having a haole democrat governor certainly didn't help.

Secolobo said:

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techno-ag said:

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Being on an island didn't help.

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...a tropical island surrounded by water...

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Maybe they should have just flipped it over like Guam.

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Seeing some of those cars on front street with all doors closed...I am hoping most of those were people fleeing to the waters and shutting their doors just in case, but a buddy was telling me about a vid he saw of a local woman (forgot her position, but it wasn't just some rando off the streets) claiming that the death toll is at least 1,000-1,500, maybe more, with many of those people basically being cremated by the extreme heat, leaving no remains for search parties, cadaver dogs etc. She claims a lot of those people were trapped and cremated in their cars because the files spread so fast. I am hoping that is not the case...but there did not appear to be many people who made it into the ocean.

Seems like if 1,000+ people were truly unaccounted for, in an area that small, we would be hearing so much more about it from the locals. That would be a very significant % of the local population, and a lot of tourists with families.

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Car fire does not burn hot and long enough to completely remove all evidence of a body. There's just too much water to evaporate away

agz win said:

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Did Chicago have gale force winds too like Maui did that day or did they have to deal with some other act of God?

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No public safety/ building codes and yes the weather did pay a role. A cold front finally blew in shifting the wind as I recall that stopped the spread. Chicago fire went from bad to worse when the fire consumed the Publix waterworks facility and the fire brigade lost water access.

From last week.

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aTmAg said:

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They can thank the Jones Act too. Liberalism fails every time it is tried.

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I remember the impact that had on Puerto Rico, but how does it nail Hawaii?

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Oh, my bad. I forgot it didn't apply to Hawaii.

Warning: This is tough to listen to.

“He was there, lying and hugging my dog”: A Maui mother describes to @lilialuciano the devastating moment her family made it back to their home to find her son, who died just days before his 15th birthday. https://t.co/la7KsbQmU0 pic.twitter.com/sRVFqYm9NL

— CBS Mornings (@CBSMornings) August 21, 2023

ED: NM Watched the videl

agz win said:

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Did Chicago have gale force winds too like Maui did that day or did they have to deal with some other act of God?

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