I stumbled across this tonight. It's pretty scary to listen to even though (or maybe because) we know the outcome:

Idiot troofers will say all this was staged/faked

I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

One of the most horrifying things I've ever heard, right up there with this:



4:41 was the last words this man ever spoke.

Absolutely **** the perpetrators that did this. May they burn in agony in Hell forever.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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Why do you believe that?

TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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It is.

And I despise all conspiracy theories with my entire soul and consider anyone who believes in them to be seriously mentally defective.

eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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It is.

And I despise all conspiracy theories with my entire soul and consider anyone who believes in them to be seriously mentally defective.

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Conspiracy theories like:

Obama wire tapping Trump Tower?
Covid being released from a lab?
Clinton campaign paying for fake Russian dossier?
Hunter Biden's laptop?

Oh, wait…

I despise all blind leftist sheep with my entire soul and consider anyone who blindly believes everything the media tells them to be seriously mentally defective.

eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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It is.

And I despise all conspiracy theories with my entire soul and consider anyone who believes in them to be seriously mentally defective.

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This person is delusional or simply not intelligent.

Geddy Lee soul patch said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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Why do you believe that?

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I have read the 9-11 commission report. There were missed opportunities to arrest and/or deport the terrorists.

To sum up the numerous failures with our intelligence services, Thomas Keen, who was on the commission said: "President Clinton and President Bush were not well served by the CIA or the FBI"

eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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It is.

And I despise all conspiracy theories with my entire soul and consider anyone who believes in them to be seriously mentally defective.

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So you despise people that theorized there was a lab leak of COVID19? (hey that's another topic)

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I don't make ridiculous claims about WTC7 being 'demolitioned' or that explosives contributed at all to the collapse of the structures or that the government itself coordinated the hijackings etc etc.

It is not conspiracy to state that these men who carried out these hijackings/suicide missions were not appropriately dealt with by authorities prior to that fateful day.... even though some of them had been monitored by not only our intelligence service but ones in Europe as well.

If you want to despise me for saying that.... then so be it.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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Geddy Lee soul patch said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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Why do you believe that?

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I have read the 9-11 commission report. There were missed opportunities to arrest and/or deport the terrorists.

To sum up the numerous failures with our intelligence services, Thomas Keen, who was on the commission said: "President Clinton and President Bush were not well served by the CIA or the FBI"

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There were missed opportunities. That doesn't mean that they plotted to miss those opportunities for whatever nefarious reasons you imagine.

To believe that the Feds to have the kind of overwhelming knowledge and control that the conspiracy theories would require in order to be true is preposterous. There are plenty of things that they have to do. I suspect that they are largely reactive to that which they have neither foreseen nor encountered previously and not directing it behind the scenes.

eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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Geddy Lee soul patch said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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Why do you believe that?

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I have read the 9-11 commission report. There were missed opportunities to arrest and/or deport the terrorists.

To sum up the numerous failures with our intelligence services, Thomas Keen, who was on the commission said: "President Clinton and President Bush were not well served by the CIA or the FBI"

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There were missed opportunities. That doesn't mean that they plotted to miss those opportunities for whatever nefarious reasons you imagine.

To believe that the Feds to have the kind of overwhelming knowledge and control that the conspiracy theories would require in order to be true is preposterous. There are plenty of things that they have to do. I suspect that they are largely reactive to that which they have neither foreseen nor encountered previously and not directing it behind the scenes.

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He never said that our agencies were purposefully bad at their jobs. He just said that they were bad at their jobs. But by all means… triple down.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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It is.

And I despise all conspiracy theories with my entire soul and consider anyone who believes in them to be seriously mentally defective.

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So you despise people that theorized there was a lab leak of COVID19? (hey that's another topic)

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I don't make ridiculous claims about WTC7 being 'demolitioned' or that explosives contributed at all to the collapse of the structures or that the government itself coordinated the hijackings etc etc.

It is not conspiracy to state that these men who carried out these hijackings/suicide missions were not appropriately dealt with by authorities prior to that fateful day.... even though some of them had been monitored by not only our intelligence service but ones in Europe as well.

If you want to despise me for saying that.... then so be it.

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I think the odds are overwhelming that there was some kind of lab leak, but it is far more likely that the lab leaks was some kind of accident than it was that it was orchestrated by the Chinese government in some kind of deep plan to overthrow the US government. Accidents happen. This wouldn't be the first time that an organism escaped from a lab due to negligence or to stupidity.

We used to do much of our more dangerous research on Plum Island to help reduce the consequences of a leak by making it improbable that an infected animal could reach the mainland.

When you have very limited access to information yet are given a commonly relayed (active) story from multiple channels then what do people think and trust?

I have no idea what has gone on beyond reports.

Was everything honest, direct and without political influence? Doubt it

Aggies1322 said:

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eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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Geddy Lee soul patch said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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Why do you believe that?

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I have read the 9-11 commission report. There were missed opportunities to arrest and/or deport the terrorists.

To sum up the numerous failures with our intelligence services, Thomas Keen, who was on the commission said: "President Clinton and President Bush were not well served by the CIA or the FBI"

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There were missed opportunities. That doesn't mean that they plotted to miss those opportunities for whatever nefarious reasons you imagine.

To believe that the Feds to have the kind of overwhelming knowledge and control that the conspiracy theories would require in order to be true is preposterous. There are plenty of things that they have to do. I suspect that they are largely reactive to that which they have neither foreseen nor encountered previously and not directing it behind the scenes.

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He never said that our agencies were purposefully bad at their jobs. He just said that they were bad at their jobs. But by all means… triple down.

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The implications were clear -- that we knew what they were up to and did nothing to try to stop them.

The reality is that they are not omnificient. They are well trained and good at what they do, but they cannot catch everything that happens. At least, not without a police state and our complete loss of freedom. We do not need North Korea as a role model.

"Chapter Three evaluates the FBI's handling of the Phoenix EC. As an initial matter, we provide background on how "leads" were assigned in the FBI before September 11, 2001, and we summarize the contents of the Phoenix EC. We then describe in detail how the Phoenix EC was handled within the FBI before September 11. In the analysis section of Chapter Three, we examine problems in how the Phoenix EC was handled, first focusing on the systemic problems that affected the way the FBI treated the EC and then discussing the performance of the individuals involved with the EC. At the end of the chapter we discuss several other pieces of information in the possession of the FBI before September 11 that also noted connections of potential terrorists to the aviation industry or the use of airplanes.

Chapter Four examines the FBI's investigation of Moussaoui, including allegations raised by Rowley. In this chapter, we describe in detail the facts regarding the FBI's investigation of Moussaoui, the interactions between the Minneapolis FBI and FBI Headquarters on the investigation, the request to seek a criminal warrant or a FISA warrant to search Moussaoui's belongings, and the plans to deport Moussaoui. We then provide our analysis of these actions. This analysis discusses systemic problems that this case revealed, and it also assesses the performance of the FBI employees who were involved in the Moussaoui investigation.

In Chapter Five, we examine the FBI's handling of intelligence information concerning Hazmi and Mihdhar. We found that, beginning in late 1999 and continuing through September 11, 2001, the FBI had at least five opportunities to learn of intelligence information about Mihdhar and Hazmi which could have led it to focus on them before the September 11 attacks. In this chapter, we describe each of these five opportunities in detail. We describe the intelligence information regarding Hazmi and Mihdhar that existed at the time, whether the information was made available to the FBI, and what additional information about Hazmi and Mihdhar the FBI could have developed on its own. In the analysis section of this chapter, we evaluate the problems that impeded the FBI's handling of the information about Hazmi and Mihdhar before September 11, and we also address the performance of the individuals involved in the Hazmi and Mihdhar case."

EP: I think our govt knew stuff and didn't act appropriately

OIG: We found multiple failures of handling of intel

https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/bitstream/handle/10822/1059008/final.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

eric76 said:

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Aggies1322 said:

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eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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Geddy Lee soul patch said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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Why do you believe that?

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I have read the 9-11 commission report. There were missed opportunities to arrest and/or deport the terrorists.

To sum up the numerous failures with our intelligence services, Thomas Keen, who was on the commission said: "President Clinton and President Bush were not well served by the CIA or the FBI"

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There were missed opportunities. That doesn't mean that they plotted to miss those opportunities for whatever nefarious reasons you imagine.

To believe that the Feds to have the kind of overwhelming knowledge and control that the conspiracy theories would require in order to be true is preposterous. There are plenty of things that they have to do. I suspect that they are largely reactive to that which they have neither foreseen nor encountered previously and not directing it behind the scenes.

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He never said that our agencies were purposefully bad at their jobs. He just said that they were bad at their jobs. But by all means… triple down.

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The implications were clear -- that we knew what they were up to and did nothing to try to stop them.

The reality is that they are not omnificient. They are well trained and good at what they do, but they cannot catch everything that happens. At least, not without a police state and our complete loss of freedom. We do not need North Korea as a role model.

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I disagree. You are extrapolating to that conclusion. He didn't say they knew the entire plot and never lifted a finger. What was in the commission report was the agencies did not coordinate or discuss their intelligence with each other. If they did they might have been able to piece it together, or at least know something bad and how it was going to happen. I think we were caught with out pants down on that day.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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I think it was more arrogance and incompetence in our intelligence agencies.

ts5641 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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I think it was more arrogance and incompetence in our intelligence agencies.

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I think that's very much true today. But in the 90's-2001 I think the agencies had more patriots than they do today. Obama took care of that. He was a very destructive president with our government apparatus and continues to be so even today.

I just want to note- the calm demeanor and composure of the air traffic controllers, the management, the military, and others in the face of something unimaginable. What a credit to all of them

Hard to believe this country elected Barack hussein Obama president twice and are dealing with him now he has almost single handily destroyed our country.

It only took three posts for people to start up with the conspiracy theories. Never change, TexAgs.

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eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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It is.

And I despise all conspiracy theories with my entire soul and consider anyone who believes in them to be seriously mentally defective.

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This person is delusional or simply not intelligent.

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Hell, we knew that years ago! He's our own TexAg's Cliff Claven!

eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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It is.

And I despise all conspiracy theories with my entire soul and consider anyone who believes in them to be seriously mentally defective.

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So you despise people that theorized there was a lab leak of COVID19? (hey that's another topic)

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I don't make ridiculous claims about WTC7 being 'demolitioned' or that explosives contributed at all to the collapse of the structures or that the government itself coordinated the hijackings etc etc.

It is not conspiracy to state that these men who carried out these hijackings/suicide missions were not appropriately dealt with by authorities prior to that fateful day.... even though some of them had been monitored by not only our intelligence service but ones in Europe as well.

If you want to despise me for saying that.... then so be it.

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I think the odds are overwhelming that there was some kind of lab leak, but it is far more likely that the lab leaks was some kind of accident than it was that it was orchestrated by the Chinese government in some kind of deep plan to overthrow the US government. Accidents happen. This wouldn't be the first time that an organism escaped from a lab due to negligence or to stupidity.

We used to do much of our more dangerous research on Plum Island to help reduce the consequences of a leak by making it improbable that an infected animal could reach the mainland.

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LOL

Are people here equating 9/11 truthism with the lab leak theory?

Sane people deduced that Covid leaked from a covid specific lab. Insane people think that 9/11 was an inside job.

eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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It is.

And I despise all conspiracy theories with my entire soul and consider anyone who believes in them to be seriously mentally defective.

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So you despise people that theorized there was a lab leak of COVID19? (hey that's another topic)

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I don't make ridiculous claims about WTC7 being 'demolitioned' or that explosives contributed at all to the collapse of the structures or that the government itself coordinated the hijackings etc etc.

It is not conspiracy to state that these men who carried out these hijackings/suicide missions were not appropriately dealt with by authorities prior to that fateful day.... even though some of them had been monitored by not only our intelligence service but ones in Europe as well.

If you want to despise me for saying that.... then so be it.

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I think the odds are overwhelming that there was some kind of lab leak, but it is far more likely that the lab leaks was some kind of accident than it was that it was orchestrated by the Chinese government in some kind of deep plan to overthrow the US government. Accidents happen. This wouldn't be the first time that an organism escaped from a lab due to negligence or to stupidity.

We used to do much of our more dangerous research on Plum Island to help reduce the consequences of a leak by making it improbable that an infected animal could reach the mainland.

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I would say the real international crime the Chinese perpetrated was after the spread of COVID was known in Wuhan they prohibited travel from Wuhan in China. However, they allowed international flights out of Wuhan.

For that they should be tried in international courts.

The good news is we are allowing a fresh crop of terrorists to enter this "great" country unchecked through our southern border. "We" are giving our country away.

Just because those may have happened doesn't mean that 9/11 was a conspiracy.

With all the "conspiracy theories" that have been proven to be TRUE over the last few years. I actually do believe our corrupt govt did have their hand in 9/11. I was in the military (coast guard) at the time and was on my way to GZ. But didn't go. I was a "robot" at the time. As time goes on and I get older and wiser my eyes are more open thanks to the communist liberals. You can despise me all you want! DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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It is.

And I despise all conspiracy theories with my entire soul and consider anyone who believes in them to be seriously mentally defective.

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Opinions, everybody has one like...something, something...

People that believe the story of 9-11 and people that believe in covid shots are the same people.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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Never chalk up to conspiracy that which basic incompetence will explain.

Waffledynamics said:

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One of the most horrifying things I've ever heard, right up there with this:



4:41 was the last words this man ever spoke.

Absolutely **** the perpetrators that did this. May they burn in agony in Hell forever.

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That was horrifying to hear.

Nearly all the attackers were Saudis. We didn't invade Saudi Arabia, but instead fabricated enough of an excuse to invade Iraq.

The perpetrators will burn in Hell, but there are plenty more from their country that never even got a slap on the wrist.

eric76 said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I don't believe 9/11 was faked or any of that jazz.....

...I do believe our intelligence services and key people in government knew that there was a threat with these 19-20 men ....... and that they did nothing substantial to stop them.

That is not a conspiracy theory.

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It is.

And I despise all conspiracy theories with my entire soul and consider anyone who believes in them to be seriously mentally defective.

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You've fallen for the media/government combined effort to paint everyone that doesn't believe the official narrative as "crazy conspiracy theorists" wearing tinfoil hats and whatnot.

Conspiracies happen all the time. Everywhere. There are many recorded instances of conspiracies all throughout history. Conspiracies are a fact of life. Every time a government is overthrown by the military, that's a conspiracy that worked. As we speak there are certainly conspiracies to overthrow our government that will fail. There were multiple conspiracies to assassinate Hitler that unfortunately failed.

It's pretty short sighted to say you despise all conspiracy theories. Hell, during Covid things like "the virus was engineered in a Chinese lab" was a "conspiracy theory" and now we know it's true.

Seth Rich nor Jefferey Epstein killed themselves.