CNN: The restaurant industry, what happened?

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https://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2023/08/07/the-whole-story-with-anderson-cooper-travels-across-the-country-with-bobby-flay-in-restaurant-nation-whats-changed/amp/

some really tasty snippets:

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The pandemic altered the restaurant industry forever, ushering technological advances that have changed our habits and how we dine out," said Flay. "This is a seismic shift that deserves the attention that only CNN can bring to it It is an honor to join The Whole Story, which is producing the most compelling reporting on television, and I am very honored to play a part in sharing this important story."


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Flay, whose own New York City restaurant was among the more than 110,000 restaurants that closed in 2020,


it's unreal to me that people like Flay won't admit to themselves that CNN, and the party they support, are the primary reason the restaurant industry is dying.




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Quote from who dems wanted over Hillary before the party stepped in in* 2016, "Bread lines are great because they mean everyone is getting fed."
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Restaurant industry is absolutely on fire in my Dallas hood. Maybe he should open something here?
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YouBet said:

Restaurant industry is absolutely on fire in my Dallas hood. Maybe he should open something here?
Yeah I gotta question what markets and locals they are judging this on.

I live in Georgetown (as in the Texas one) and the wife and I tried to get a table or even bar seats Friday night without a reservation at three different hot spots and it was pointless. Finally went over to the Sheraton where we could get a table at the hotel restaurant.

And it's literally always like this and only getting worse with the never ending influx of new residents.

I think red state restaurants are doing just north of "fine".

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These people need to be forced to admit their faults the same way they demanded that people be forced to submit to BLM/Antifa terrorists.

Huge loss of respect for Bobby Flay. Will never watch anything by him ever again until he apologizes (he won't).
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YouBet said:

Restaurant industry is absolutely on fire in my Dallas hood. Maybe he should open something here?
same in my neck of the woods. you'd hardly know we're in a recession the way people are still living/spending. how i know we still have it too good for people to do anything other than b***h and moan to their friends and family.
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What did these people expect ? ? ? They shutdown every restaurant for months if not over a year. Many of them never reopened. Others are limping along under crushing debt that they had to take to survive. Millions of restaurant workers had to find work in other industries and have never come back.

It is actually amazing how many restaurants did survive at all. The restaurant industry and their employees were some of the biggest victims of these insane shutdowns.
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These are people whose world is dying and decaying leftist populated coastal cities that exist in an alternate reality.
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I liked Flay back in the day, but he is getting overplayed now. If you didn't know he was a limousine liberal, I don't know what to tell you.

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College Station Olive Garden is turning customers away
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America's infatuation with restaurants
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In LA, In N Out is starting at $22/hour and having difficulty finding workers.

I went to Del Taco last week and there were 8 customers inside, 3 in the drive thru but only two 55+ y/o Spanish speaking ladies working to serve these customers.

Not to mention how many restaurants have gone out of business since 2019. If you can't find a Yelp review from 2023, it's probably no longer there.
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I have no idea how people can afford to eat out so often anymore in our country. Taking a family of 4 to dinner is easily $65 *minimum* and up-my mom and I had cheap Mexican food yesterday and it was $30. If wages are so bad, where is all this money coming from? Don't tell me you can't pay your student loans if you are eating out daily.

I know most of you are Texags millionaires but honestly it is ridiculous paying day after day for lunch and dinner like this.
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What changed?

Covid and the delivery options

We probably do 15k plus a month in online pick up orders in the summer and 20-30k a month during the college school year.

I literally have people who just do pickups Thursday -Sumday.
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Bryan/College Station has new restaurants opening all the time.

Would be curious to see stats on large blue cities vs medium to smaller conservative towns.
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TresPuertas said:



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The pandemic altered the restaurant industry forever, ushering technological advances that have changed our habits and how we dine out," said Flay. "This is a seismic shift that deserves the attention that only CNN can bring to it It is an honor to join The Whole Story, which is producing the most compelling reporting on television, and I am very honored to play a part in sharing this important story."







I love when leftist idiots use the phrase "the pandemic did xyz". No, the response to the pandemic by leftist democrats did xyz.
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110,000 restaurants that closed in 2020
The economic and social destruction caused by covid has not yet been fully realized.
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Restaurants in Dallas are insane. Packed from open to close, making on average 100-150 per person in some occasions yet they don't make it a year.

Some people just can't run businesses. Has nothing to do with the revenue they bring in.
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HollywoodBQ said:

In LA, In N Out is starting at $22/hour and having difficulty finding workers.

I went to Del Taco last week and there were 8 customers inside, 3 in the drive thru but only two 55+ y/o Spanish speaking ladies working to serve these customers.

Not to mention how many restaurants have gone out of business since 2019. If you can't find a Yelp review from 2023, it's probably no longer there.
Are In and Out and Del Taco really restaurants?
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From what I've seen, it looks like quality restaurants that are in strong/growing economies, like a metro city or college town, and also large chains, are doing just fine.

The ones I see failing are those that offer nothing unique or are in poor locations. Any area can only sustain so many Tex-Mex or Southern/comfort-food places, and unless you're offering very good food, or at least a nice ambiance where people want to feel like they're getting something for their money in one way or another, a bland/typical place will fail. They always have and always will.

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one problem with the restaurant industry is the increase of poor customer service by hiring of gen z kids as waiters. these kids are lazy with no social skills. my wife and i are pleasantly surprised when we actually get a good waiter. we used to not even think about because it used to be the majority.
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Dear CNN NYC != the rest of the US. In fact NYC is very anti-small business. See Louis Rossman and his relocation to Austin and the continued harassment he gets from NY trying to collect money on a business that doesn't exist in their state.
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Urban Ag said:

YouBet said:

Restaurant industry is absolutely on fire in my Dallas hood. Maybe he should open something here?
Yeah I gotta question what markets and locals they are judging this on.

I live in Georgetown (as in the Texas one) and the wife and I tried to get a table or even bar seats Friday night without a reservation at three different hot spots and it was pointless. Finally went over to the Sheraton where we could get a table at the hotel restaurant.

And it's literally always like this and only getting worse with the never ending influx of new residents.

I think red state restaurants are doing just north of "fine".




this whole "wha happen" routine and report is an insane microcosm of CNN. they'll focus on one area who got obliterated by Covid policies, NYC, and then go nowhere outside of that bubble and to places that actually succeeded, because that would be actual journalism and would cause them to question themselves.

so instead they stay in the bubble and "journalism".

mind you, these are the exact same humans that yelled at you and told anyone who went outside they are responsible for mass genocide.

God i hate the left so much
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Prexys Moon said:

TresPuertas said:



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The pandemic altered the restaurant industry forever, ushering technological advances that have changed our habits and how we dine out," said Flay. "This is a seismic shift that deserves the attention that only CNN can bring to it It is an honor to join The Whole Story, which is producing the most compelling reporting on television, and I am very honored to play a part in sharing this important story."

I love when leftist idiots use the phrase "the pandemic did xyz". No, the response to the pandemic by leftist democrats did xyz.
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Satellite of Love said:

Dear CNN NYC != the rest of the US. In fact NYC is very anti-small business. See Louis Rossman and his relocation to Austin and the continued harassment he gets from NY trying to collect money on a business that doesn't exist in their state.
Had to search w/ DuckDuckGo to find the info. As I knew nothing about Louis Rossman.

The information regarding Apple only reinforces my beliefs that the loss of Steve Jobs irreparably damaged the quality of all Apple products. Seems Tim Cook, the supply chain guru that Steve Jobs even praised, is not concerned with the standards Steve insisted on in all Apple products.
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My wife and I and another couple went to the horse races a few Fridays ago, and stayed until 9:45 or so. There's a Jim's restaurant (San Antonio fixture, family-owned local chain, similar to IHOP or Denny's) near the track, and it's been a tradition for us to go there after leaving the races. They were closing the doors as we arrived at 10pm. They USED to be an all-night breakfast place. So, we loaded back into the truck and headed to an IHOP not far away. It was ALSO closed, and it used to be 24 hrs, too. We wound up going to Chili's, which was open.

Covid definitely changed the restaurant landscape forever. Once the mandates were lifted, I made a point of never wearing a mask again, even if I was the only one in a place that wasn't. There were many times in the first month or so that I was. Or, I would see one other person without, and I would give them a thumbs up or a wink. There was definitely a reluctance on the part of some to venture back out into public. Once restaurants started re-opening (and/or putting all the tables back in) we made a point of patronizing them. They had HELL staffing up. We would often see a place with a long wait AND empty tables. We asked, and they had sections closed because they just didn't have, and couldn't get, servers. We'd talk to our waitstaff, and they would tell us none of their peers were coming back to work. There were lots of reasons. The first, and temporary reason, was the increased availability of unemployment. That ran out and stopped being a factor, though. Some servers realized they were able to economize and get by on one salary, especially by eliminating day-care costs - i.e. they became stay at home parents. Some had moved back in with Mom and Dad.

That was pretty much the extent of what we heard, and we chalked it up to those reasons. "It" was the lack of servers across the board, and the lack of good/experienced servers, in particular.

Last summer, it was a bartender in Prague that turned me on to what I now think is the overriding reason. (The above are all still valid, but I think this makes more sense for the severity of the problem.) My wife and I were the only ones in this place in the early afternoon, so we had the bartender to ourselves. Being in a different country, we really wanted to talk to as many people as possible to maximize the experience. This guy was an American or Canadian ex-pat living over there. We bemoaned the lack of servers returning to work and he explained his view of it. He said he had lots of friends (both in Czech Republic and "back home" ) that had been servers for many years and really hadn't given a lot of thought to getting out of the industry. OR, they HAD thought about it, but just hadn't gotten around to doing anything about it. Once the Pandemic and the shut-downs hit, they were cut off from their livelihood. Some were able to wait it out and some weren't, or weren't inclined to. There are SO MANY ways to make money these days working remotely. Many of them found one of those jobs, and found that they liked it. Better pay, better schedules, less a-hole customers, and a host of "first order" reasons enticed them to stay and not return to serving. But one factor outweighed the rest for many... these jobs were WAY less fragile than waiting tables. By that, I mean there's little to no chance that they will be cut off from their livelihood again by another pandemic. If Covid 2 or airborne Ebola or whatever crops up, they'll still be able to sell insurance or edit web pages from home.

Wait staff has already lived thru a SHTF scenario and have taken off with their bug-out bags to other industries.
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Re: "Restaurant industry is absolutely on fire in my Dallas hood. Maybe he should open something here?"

Exactly... example the "simple" bagel.

There are multiple shops now competing and people are lining up at Shug's, Sclafani's, Starship, and the recently opened Lubbies in E. Dallas.

It may not be a New York City-bagel, but Dallas is getting a very high quality, crafted product ... finally.

Good stuff.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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110,000 restaurants that closed in 2020
The economic and social destruction caused by covid has not yet been fully realized.


And it won't be for years because too many in charge now won't admit the mistakes they made.
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BaileyAg said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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110,000 restaurants that closed in 2020
The economic and social destruction caused by covid has not yet been fully realized.


And it won't be for years because too many in charge now won't admit the mistakes they made.


And if they're lucky enough to have been reelected, like Abbott, they probably feel like they don't have to.
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As recent as 2022, leftist politicians like Clay Jenkins were still telling people to get their food "curbside" in the name of "safety". If you get your food "curbside" (another covid term I hope I never hear again, right there with uptick and mitigation) you're not tipping, getting drinks, dessert, etc. The restaurant suffers. All part of the leftist plan.

Then Jenkins and his ilk cry in the press, OMG what happened to the restaurants??

You killed them.
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TX AG 88 said:

My wife and I and another couple went to the horse races a few Fridays ago, and stayed until 9:45 or so. There's a Jim's restaurant (San Antonio fixture, family-owned local chain, similar to IHOP or Denny's) near the track, and it's been a tradition for us to go there after leaving the races. They were closing the doors as we arrived at 10pm. They USED to be an all-night breakfast place. So, we loaded back into the truck and headed to an IHOP not far away. It was ALSO closed, and it used to be 24 hrs, too. We wound up going to Chili's, which was open.


Last summer, it was a bartender in Prague that turned me on to what I now think is the overriding reason. ... We bemoaned the lack of servers returning to work and he explained his view of it. He said he had lots of friends (both in Czech Republic and "back home" ) that had been servers for many years and really hadn't given a lot of thought to getting out of the industry. OR, they HAD thought about it, but just hadn't gotten around to doing anything about it. Once the Pandemic and the shut-downs hit, they were cut off from their livelihood. Some were able to wait it out and some weren't, or weren't inclined to. There are SO MANY ways to make money these days working remotely. Many of them found one of those jobs, and found that they liked it. Better pay, better schedules, less a-hole customers, and a host of "first order" reasons enticed them to stay and not return to serving.
You've hit upon two other issues here that have impacted the industry that you don't see much talk of::

1. Hours of Ops - these have changed because people's dining habits of changed. Saw an article on this and generally speaking the dinner hour has moved up. Whereas most people used to eat dinner 7-8, that has moved up to 5-6. It's no longer just the blue hairs that eat early dinners. Many people have permanently shifted when they eat which has led to restaurants closing much earlier than normal. I've seen this even in Dallas where you would think you would have a lot of late-night eating fare. It was never a NYC or Vegas eating at all hours city, but you had options and now we see a lot of restaurants closing at 9 or so that used to stay open until 11 or 12.

2. Better Jobs - Covid forced everyone to at least think about what they were doing and resulted in many people making life changing decisions. You live life, you get in a rut, and you just do what you do because that's where you are. All of sudden there is a pause in life that lets you look up from what you are doing and take stock of things. You realize what you are doing is not what you want to be doing so you make a change.

The latter happened to us. Our life has completely changed because of COVID and we would probably still be doing what we were doing in 2019 if not for COVID.
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RoadkillBBQ said:

HollywoodBQ said:

In LA, In N Out is starting at $22/hour and having difficulty finding workers.

I went to Del Taco last week and there were 8 customers inside, 3 in the drive thru but only two 55+ y/o Spanish speaking ladies working to serve these customers.

Not to mention how many restaurants have gone out of business since 2019. If you can't find a Yelp review from 2023, it's probably no longer there.
Are In and Out and Del Taco really restaurants?
Staples in my diet.

The shredded cheddar cheese on the Del Tacos is amazing.
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In LA, I lived close to a Morton's Steakhouse and I went there for dinner a few times in the mid-2000s with co-workers and salespeople. The place was always packed and it was always a big deal. Service was great. We'd usually spend some stupid money on steaks sides and a bottle of wine and maybe even some Cognac.

In 2021 when they re-opened, a sales rep took me there and we were one of maybe 5 tables in the restaurant. There was one server and a manager. I couldn't believe the fact that nobody was there. The food was good and even more expensive but the restaurant was dead.

In 2022, we went back to Morton's and this time there were two servers covering the 10 tables. It was just a shell of it's former self.

And this wasn't just an LA problem. In September 2022, I went to Morton's in downtown Houston and it was dead. There were maybe 3 tables worth of customers.

For these high-end restaurants, I think Work From Home had killed off the 3 hour lunch and the important business dinner. I don't think people stopped liking Steak, Wine and Service.
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