Trump committed freedom of speech

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LegalDrugPusher
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Trump committed no crimes not even close on January 6 or anything leading up to January 6.

It doesn't matter in the election was stolen or not. He has the right to express his opinion.

The constitution is not a suggestion. At all of these indictments happened when he was the president he's already been impeached for them and acquitted. What we have here is a rogue DOJ and presidential administration going after the man simply because he is breathing.

They are overthrowing the constitution of the United States the guard rails are off and they don't give a damn what the law is.

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They are going after him not because he is breathing, but because he can still become president.

They know the second term would be his last opportunity, and thus he could run rough shot over the whole swamp without having to worry about re-election.

They skeerd!
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LegalDrugPusher said:

Trump committed no crimes not even close on January 6 or anything leading up to January 6.

It doesn't matter in the election was stolen or not. He has the right to express his opinion.

The constitution is not a suggestion. At all of these indictments happened when he was the president he's already been impeached for them and acquitted. What we have here is a rogue DOJ and presidential administration going after the man simply because he is breathing.

They are overthrowing the constitution of the United States the guard rails are off and they don't give a damn what the law is.
Hate to break it to you, but the Constitution is no longer in effect

The sooner people realize this the sooner the public can do something about it (if they are so inclined)
America the Beautiful
1776 - 2020
MouthBQ98
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Talking with lawyers about an implausible yet untested legal theory is also apparently illegal now.
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great argument! trump should hire you as his lawyer
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JohnLA762 said:

They are going after him not because he is breathing, but because he can still become president.

They know the second term would be his last opportunity, and thus he could run rough shot over the whole swamp without having to worry about re-election.

They skeerd!


No doubt that is definitely a big part of the situation! But they are breaking the law in order to get him behind bars
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Old McDonald said:

great argument! trump should hire you as his lawyer


Tell me where I'm wrong?
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Old McDonald said:

great argument! trump should hire you as his lawyer


you know that I'm right that's why you make a comment like you just made
jteAg
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LegalDrugPusher said:

Trump committed no crimes not even close on January 6 or anything leading up to January 6.

It doesn't matter in the election was stolen or not. He has the right to express his opinion.

The constitution is not a suggestion. At all of these indictments happened when he was the president he's already been impeached for them and acquitted. What we have here is a rogue DOJ and presidential administration going after the man simply because he is breathing.

They are overthrowing the constitution of the United States the guard rails are off and they don't give a damn what the law is.


OK… keep telling yourself that.
Love your loyalties to the loser though.
If ANY dem had given that same speech, which encouraged the minions to storm the capital, you'd have the gallows already built.
Oh, wait… they were already built…for Pence!
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jteAg said:

LegalDrugPusher said:

Trump committed no crimes not even close on January 6 or anything leading up to January 6.

It doesn't matter in the election was stolen or not. He has the right to express his opinion.

The constitution is not a suggestion. At all of these indictments happened when he was the president he's already been impeached for them and acquitted. What we have here is a rogue DOJ and presidential administration going after the man simply because he is breathing.

They are overthrowing the constitution of the United States the guard rails are off and they don't give a damn what the law is.


OK… keep telling yourself that.
Love your loyalties to the loser though.
If ANY dem had given that same speech, which encouraged the minions to storm the capital, you'd have the gallows already built.
Oh, wait… they were already built…for Pence!


No, where in his speech did, he mention anything about storming the capital he said, go in peace and patriotism, you are a damn liar
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Two things can coexist

Trump is a buffoon.

This whole indictment deal is politicized horse *****
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Old May Banker said:

Two things can coexist

Trump is a buffoon.

This whole indictment deal is politicized horse *****
do you Destanties have to bring your TDS to every thread. its old and tired
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MouthBQ98 said:

Talking with lawyers about an implausible yet untested legal theory is also apparently illegal now.
Yes. That has always been the problem here, our election laws are f***ed up and there is little guidance coming from the courts other than their rulings that there is no way to challenge those laws in court

Although, there may now be a way to challenge some of them through a conviction?
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Old May Banker said:

Two things can coexist

Trump is a buffoon.

This whole indictment deal is politicized horse *****
This.

From what I've read, I feel like there is a high probability that an conviction would be thrown out on appeal on First Amendment grounds. They could have charged incitement to violence and not had a First Amendment problem, but evidently determined that the facts would not support such a charge. That should have been the end of the inquiry.
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LegalDrugPusher said:

jteAg said:

LegalDrugPusher said:

Trump committed no crimes not even close on January 6 or anything leading up to January 6.

It doesn't matter in the election was stolen or not. He has the right to express his opinion.

The constitution is not a suggestion. At all of these indictments happened when he was the president he's already been impeached for them and acquitted. What we have here is a rogue DOJ and presidential administration going after the man simply because he is breathing.

They are overthrowing the constitution of the United States the guard rails are off and they don't give a damn what the law is.
OK… keep telling yourself that.
Love your loyalties to the loser though.
If ANY dem had given that same speech, which encouraged the minions to storm the capital, you'd have the gallows already built.
Oh, wait… they were already built…for Pence!
No, where in his speech did, he mention anything about storming the capital he said, go in peace and patriotism, you are a damn liar
The indictment lays out dozens of phone calls and contacts made to government officials asking them/telling them to take one action or another. The 1st Amendment won't get him off there.

Where "his speech" comes into play, the Indictment largely focuses on allegedly known to be false statements in order to benefit personally. The 1st Amendment won't get him off there, either.
Old May Banker
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You're the only person to mention RD on this thread.

As I said, both of my statements can be true and I'm happy to defend the former president against political BS.

But you do you, troll.
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"do you Destanties have to bring your TDS to every thread. its old and tired."

Does the OP have to drag his head into post after post while it's still shoved so far up Trump's ass?

I guess the answer is yes to both questions. You can either ignore them or laugh at them, which is my preferred method with the OP's posts.
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LegalDrugPusher said:

Old McDonald said:

great argument! trump should hire you as his lawyer
you know that I'm right that's why you make a comment like you just made
Mark Levin makes this very point and I believe his law creditials outweigh certain posters here that repeat the ridiculous leftist talking points.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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considering possible remedies to ****ed up elections, such as possible alternate electors or the VP possibly sending it back to the states, are crimes, unless the ones considering such remedies are (d)ifferent.
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LegalDrugPusher said:

Trump committed no crimes not even close on January 6 or anything leading up to January 6.

It doesn't matter in the election was stolen or not. He has the right to express his opinion.

The constitution is not a suggestion. At all of these indictments happened when he was the president he's already been impeached for them and acquitted. What we have here is a rogue DOJ and presidential administration going after the man simply because he is breathing.

They are overthrowing the constitution of the United States the guard rails are off and they don't give a damn what the law is.


Certainly don't disagree but the reality is Trump was incredibly careless as well. He didn't think things through, he was not smart in his words and actions, and he trusted some terrible people. Democrats are terrible and they don't care about the law, that isn't new. The key is you can't keep giving them the rope to hang you with and then be surprised when it happens.

BTW, in the end the Dems don't really care about putting Trump in jail. I mean that would be a nice bonus but if you think this is about a legal matter you really haven't learned anything. This is about winning in November of '24 and one way to do that is to get the Republicans fighting with each other and having Trump drain all his resources on legal issues at the same time among other things. The beauty is none of this costs the Dems a cent, they are doing it all with our tax dollars while they spend their money on their vote gathering machinery and lawyers to get even more favorable election laws. They don't care about Biden either, he's just a proxy and easily replaceable.

Make no mistake, there is little that the Democrats would fear more than for Trump to drop out and enthusiastically endorse DeSantis. That is their nightmare scenario and they will do anything they can to either prevent it or minimize it. Hopefully more people wake up to that.

No matter how much you may want it or think it's unfair Trump has no chance of ever being President again, it's just a matter of when his supporters accept that be it today, tomorrow, or in November of '24 when he loses by Goldwater margins and we are truly screwed as a country.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Ronald Reagan
Urban Ag
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Old McDonald said:

great argument! trump should hire you as his lawyer
Keep laughing.

Trump survives this and he will have the unmotivated to vote, motivated to vote.

Your side's best bet was to do nothing and let him just continue to make a fool out of himself. He's now close to martyr status.
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Again. Every democrat:

Old May Banker
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Your side's best bet was to do nothing and let him just continue to make a fool out of himself. He's now close to martyr status.

Agreed
Old McDonald
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Urban Ag said:

Old McDonald said:

great argument! trump should hire you as his lawyer
Keep laughing.

Trump survives this and he will have the unmotivated to vote, motivated to vote.

Your side's best bet was to do nothing and let him just continue to make a fool out of himself. He's now close to martyr status.
yes, trump must have his vengeance!
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oh no said:

Again. Every democrat(and RINO's):



FIFY
Ronnie '88
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TexAgs91 said:

LegalDrugPusher said:

Trump committed no crimes not even close on January 6 or anything leading up to January 6.

It doesn't matter in the election was stolen or not. He has the right to express his opinion.

The constitution is not a suggestion. At all of these indictments happened when he was the president he's already been impeached for them and acquitted. What we have here is a rogue DOJ and presidential administration going after the man simply because he is breathing.

They are overthrowing the constitution of the United States the guard rails are off and they don't give a damn what the law is.
Hate to break it to you, but the Constitution is no longer in effect

The sooner people realize this the sooner the public can do something about it (if they are so inclined)
Pam Tillis sang about shaking the sugar tree.

Thomas Jefferson sang wrote about shaking the tree of Liberty.

twk
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Where "his speech" comes into play, the Indictment largely focuses on allegedly known to be false statements in order to benefit personally. The 1st Amendment won't get him off there, either.
Really? False statements are going to get Trump sent to prison? I'm waiting with baited breath for the indictment charging Biden committing fraud against the Unite States for telling voters on the debate stage that the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation and that Hunter didn't make any money from China, because he certainly made those false statements with an intent that voters act on them.
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twk said:

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Where "his speech" comes into play, the Indictment largely focuses on allegedly known to be false statements in order to benefit personally. The 1st Amendment won't get him off there, either.
Really? False statements are going to get Trump sent to prison? I'm waiting with baited breath for the indictment charging Biden committing fraud against the Unite States for telling voters on the debate stage that the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation and that Hunter didn't make any money from China, because he certainly made those false statements with an intent that voters act on them.


I swear some of these idiots actuallly want dystopia.
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jteAg said:

LegalDrugPusher said:

Trump committed no crimes not even close on January 6 or anything leading up to January 6.

It doesn't matter in the election was stolen or not. He has the right to express his opinion.

The constitution is not a suggestion. At all of these indictments happened when he was the president he's already been impeached for them and acquitted. What we have here is a rogue DOJ and presidential administration going after the man simply because he is breathing.

They are overthrowing the constitution of the United States the guard rails are off and they don't give a damn what the law is.


OK… keep telling yourself that.
Love your loyalties to the loser though.
If ANY dem had given that same speech, which encouraged the minions to storm the capital, you'd have the gallows already built.
Oh, wait… they were already built…for Pence!
Why did Twitter take this down and then later you and all of your brethren said he never called for peace or told people to stand down on Jan 6?

Why do yall ALWAYS lie? Is it because most leftists were raised by godless amoral parents?

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Quote:

jteAg said:
OK… keep telling yourself that.
Love your loyalties to the loser though.
If ANY dem had given that same speech, which encouraged the minions to storm the capital, you'd have the gallows already built.
What alternate reality do you live in that you think the above is anything but complete garbage? Do you need help? Because the above post is so stupid I'm worried about you. It's that f'ing stupid.
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Old May Banker said:

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Your side's best bet was to do nothing and let him just continue to make a fool out of himself. He's now close to martyr status.

Agreed
I think they want nothing more than for Trump to be the nominee. There is almost no way he wins. The average street level and message board liberal useful idiot doesn't share this sentiment, because they're not nearly as smart as the string pullers who control them and how they think. They think Trump being the GOP candidate is the absolute worst case scenario, but there is a reason those in control are constantly keeping him in the news and making him a martyr. Dems are master deceivers.
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LegalDrugPusher said:

jteAg said:

LegalDrugPusher said:

Trump committed no crimes not even close on January 6 or anything leading up to January 6.

It doesn't matter in the election was stolen or not. He has the right to express his opinion.

The constitution is not a suggestion. At all of these indictments happened when he was the president he's already been impeached for them and acquitted. What we have here is a rogue DOJ and presidential administration going after the man simply because he is breathing.

They are overthrowing the constitution of the United States the guard rails are off and they don't give a damn what the law is.


OK… keep telling yourself that.
Love your loyalties to the loser though.
If ANY dem had given that same speech, which encouraged the minions to storm the capital, you'd have the gallows already built.
Oh, wait… they were already built…for Pence!


No, where in his speech did, he mention anything about storming the capital he said, go in peace and patriotism, you are a damn liar
BS! His rhetoric in that speech fired up those minions like a coach's pre-game speech. He might had said, "go in peace" but he knew what that mob was gonna do, especially when he said, "we've got to fight like hell".
Why do you think it took him hours to call off the dogs, when members of his own party and administration beggged him to do so sooner… cause he loved what he created.
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So firing up people is now a crime?
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jteAg said:


BS! His rhetoric in that speech fired up those minions like a coach's pre-game speech. He might had said, "go in peace" but he knew what that mob was gonna do, especially when he said, "we've got to fight like hell".
Now do Ray Epps.
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LegalDrugPusher said:

It doesn't matter in the election was stolen or not. He has the right to express his opinion.


The thing is, how does ANYBODY know for sure if the election was stolen, or to put it another way, if there were enough fraudulent votes cast to allow Biden to win? The elections are not conducted in an auditable fashion, and this was made more the case in 2020 by the democratic party activists in an effort, in their words, "to make it easier to vote". Which also makes it easy to commit fraud and harder or impossible to audit the vote. Ballot harvesting and ballot drop boxes, along with mass mailings of ballots to any name that was ever present on any list, often make voting fraud quite easy and virtually undetectable.

This was Trump's warning before the election. And he wasn't able to stop them from doing it.

This was his frustration on Jan 6th and he is still obviously incredibly frustrated by it. Trump STILL believes the election was fraudulent, so an effort in court to prove he knew the election was legit on January 6th, and that everything he did was simply to overturn a rightful election, seems absurd. NO ONE truly knows the full extent of everything that went on in 2020. There is no way to really know and that was/is at least partially by design.

It's pretty disappointing that FOX has decided to take a stance on not discussing the election. I assume their lost lawsuit has something to do with that. Free speech takes yet another hit. It isn't necessary to claim the election was stolen, as the democrats did in 2016 on a widespread basis, but it seems quite reasonable to investigate areas where the legality of the voting was questionable or cannot be verified- if for no other reason than to help us improve our voting procedures and prevent fraud, something only one party wants to do. Such efforts seem to have been delegated to conspiracy theorists instead of any mainstream media. Just because many claims have been falsely made about the election doesn't mean that others are not true or that there aren't other problems that haven't been fully explored.

Does anyone think that if the progressive democrat activists could fraudulently cast or count votes, without any possibility of being caught, against Donald Trump, that they wouldn't?

Do rank and file Democrats actually believe that?

I'm sure there are republican groups that would do the same (but there aren't as many well organized groups), and they don't have the same media and institutional cover, and that would greatly reduce their odds of getting away with it.

The bottom line: Trump may be right about the election and it is likely not provable either way. Prosecuting him for believing that is absurd, of course. Not doing anything about potential voter fraud is also absurd and until we do, no election can be trusted.
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