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It is a small study, but a very disturbing one.

We keep being told that injury to the heart from the COVID vaccine is very rare, but a study done in Basel Switzerland indicates that the rate of subclinical myocarditis after the COVID vaccine is hardly rare at all.

In fact, in a study with only 777 participants with a median age of 37--all medical professionals getting the COVID vaccinethe incidence of elevated cardiac enzymes 3 days after injection was pretty substantial, at almost 3%.

The CDC did a study and from that, they claimed the rate was 0.001%, or one out of 100,000.
2.8% is a lot higher than 0.001%. Another 0.3% had "probable myocarditis," putting the total at over 3%.

That is 3000 times higher than the US government claimed.

In this small study, nobody had serious complications, but with a myocarditis complication rate of 3%, you would have to expect that giving out hundreds of millions of doses is a pretty risky proposition.
I think we all knew that already, but this study seems to put the nail in the coffin of "vaccine injuries are super rare" from COVID-19 shots.

Oops. Who could have guessed?

One oddity was that the rate of myocarditis among the participants was heavily weighted toward women, not men. That could be an artifact of the sample, or it could indicate that women are more likely to get a complication, but the complications are more likely to be serious among men.

One reason the researchers posit for the vast difference between their resultswhich are based upon blood tests looking for cardiac enzymes in all participantsand the commonly asserted claim that vaccine-induced myocarditis is rare is that the only cases that are diagnosed without looking specifically for it are severe.

In other words, most people don't go to the doctor until there is a serious problem, so many people suffer from myocarditis without ever getting diagnosed.

This suggests that there is a very large group of people who were afflicted but never treated. This in most cases would not be a huge problem, as the inflammation resolves on its own, but in some cases, actual damage to the heart was done without it ever being caught.

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https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/07/26/swiss-study-heart-injuries-from-covid-vaccine-3000x-higher-than-thought-n567151

For those keep score this is actually an example of the science being settled

I'm forgetting all the data at this point.

Seems like 3% would be so far removed from the % negative outcome of contracting Covid that if the % outcome held across a random sample of the genpop, doing the vaccine comes at a much higher risk than doing nothing at all.

Is this wrong to conclude?

They were actively monitoring people with no symptoms. They were all mild and transient and no one developed an adverse cardiac event.

Still good to know for the patient/doctor that it is possible.

From the OPs linked study

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Conclusions

COVID19 vaccines are overall very safe. There is a low but consistent, tangible rate of postvaccination myocarditis and/or pericarditis identified in several national and international level studies. Whilst there can be no room for complacency, fortunately, the majority are mild and not associated with hospitalization or severe complications. This risk has to be balanced against the much greater risk of death, pulmonary, vascular, and cardiac complications by the SARSCoV2 virus itself. Overall, the risk/benefit ratio hugely remains in favour of vaccination for most classes of ages, especially in older adults. This message is important for both the public and policy makers. For the medical community, a key red flag is in identifying affected individuals (i.e. particularly young men) presenting with chest pain, palpitations, or shortness of breath within 7 days of the second dose of an mRNA vaccine. Management is largely supportive for the majority of affected individuals, unless there is evidence of heart failure or major arrhythmic episodes. Besides pain management, guidelinedriven therapy, potentially complemented by a short course of corticosteroids may need to be considered. Future work should focus on the mechanistic basis for myocarditis and in identifying those at increased risk of adverse outcomes in need of closer longterm monitoring.

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Leaping logic with this stuff

"Overall, the risk/benefit ratio hugely remains in favour of vaccination for most classes of ages, especially in older adults."

No one under the age of 60 should have taken the vax. And I think it's questionable for those between 60 and 75.

It nearly killed me at 47. Permanent heart damage was the result.

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Conclusions

COVID19 vaccines are overall very safe. There is a low but consistent, tangible rate of postvaccination myocarditis and/or pericarditis identified in several national and international level studies. Whilst there can be no room for complacency, fortunately, the majority are mild and not associated with hospitalization or severe complications. This risk has to be balanced against the much greater risk of death, pulmonary, vascular, and cardiac complications by the SARSCoV2 virus itself. Overall, the risk/benefit ratio hugely remains in favour of vaccination for most classes of ages, especially in older adults. This message is important for both the public and policy makers. For the medical community, a key red flag is in identifying affected individuals (i.e. particularly young men) presenting with chest pain, palpitations, or shortness of breath within 7 days of the second dose of an mRNA vaccine. Management is largely supportive for the majority of affected individuals, unless there is evidence of heart failure or major arrhythmic episodes. Besides pain management, guidelinedriven therapy, potentially complemented by a short course of corticosteroids may need to be considered. Future work should focus on the mechanistic basis for myocarditis and in identifying those at increased risk of adverse outcomes in need of closer longterm monitoring.

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If I'm correct, this is very recent. Rec'd March 2023 and just now posted on this Scientific online library.

So to say, in 2023, that the risks of contracting covid "hugely" outweigh the risks of the vaccine "for most classes of ages" is total and utter madness.

It being the vax or covid?

waco_aggie05 said:

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rgvag11 said:

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Conclusions

COVID19 vaccines are overall very safe. There is a low but consistent, tangible rate of postvaccination myocarditis and/or pericarditis identified in several national and international level studies. Whilst there can be no room for complacency, fortunately, the majority are mild and not associated with hospitalization or severe complications. This risk has to be balanced against the much greater risk of death, pulmonary, vascular, and cardiac complications by the SARSCoV2 virus itself. Overall, the risk/benefit ratio hugely remains in favour of vaccination for most classes of ages, especially in older adults. This message is important for both the public and policy makers. For the medical community, a key red flag is in identifying affected individuals (i.e. particularly young men) presenting with chest pain, palpitations, or shortness of breath within 7 days of the second dose of an mRNA vaccine. Management is largely supportive for the majority of affected individuals, unless there is evidence of heart failure or major arrhythmic episodes. Besides pain management, guidelinedriven therapy, potentially complemented by a short course of corticosteroids may need to be considered. Future work should focus on the mechanistic basis for myocarditis and in identifying those at increased risk of adverse outcomes in need of closer longterm monitoring.

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If I'm correct, this is very recent. Rec'd March 2023 and just now posted on this Scientific online library.

So to say, in 2023, that the risks of contracting covid "hugely" outweigh the risks of the vaccine "for most classes of ages" is total and utter madness.

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I'm sure Pfizer has more than just a vax injected into the researchers who conducted the study.

Safe
Free
Effective

Actually, none of the above.

Vaccine mandates were like getting raped by someone with an STD.

A violation of bodily autonomy. And a violation of fundamental human rights.

Like in the Bravehart where the Shire-riff came and raped people before they were allowed to get married.

The ruling class absolutely dominated the serfs in this country.

The ruling class said

'Here take this or we gonna put you in a corner with a dunce hat on. We gonna take away your ability to make a living. Take away your ability to move about freely. Take away your ability to feed your family. Socially ostracize you. Give you the mark of an unvaccinated.'

Take it or else.

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It nearly killed me at 47. Permanent heart damage was the result.

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COVID or the vaccine?

Covid people got exactly what they wanted.

And now they mad about it.

The crying. The whining. The threats and coercion. The placing people under duress.

They got EXACTLY what they wanted, now they mad about it.

And they'd have took it farther if they could.

The glitterati compelled people into doing something against their own self interest.

People forget that a lot of blame has got to be put at the feet of these ****bird celebrities for going on the tv and pushing this non-sense.

It was full court press.

There was a time in 2021 were everybody imaginable was on the tv trying to convince you and peer pressure you into doing something against your own self interest AND with serious long term consequences.

Which we are seeing today, as subject of this thread.

Stopped at hotair.com

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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It nearly killed me at 47. Permanent heart damage was the result.

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COVID or the vaccine?

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The latter

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Stopped at hotair.com

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LOLOLOLOL

Y'all people got me spun up on this covid.

Again.

3.5 years in and it y'alls favorite thing to do.

Edit-Apologies, misunderstood a post. NM

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For those keep score this is actually an example of the science being settled

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No such thing.. You should always question "The Science"

Observation: Observe and identify a specific phenomenon or problem that you want to understand or explore.

Question: Formulate a clear and specific question based on your observations. This question should be testable and measurable.

Hypothesis: Develop a tentative explanation or prediction for the observed phenomenon. This is a proposed solution to the question and should be based on prior knowledge and logical reasoning.

Prediction: From your hypothesis, deduce specific predictions that can be tested through experimentation or observation.

Experimentation or Data Collection: Design and conduct experiments or gather data to test your predictions and hypothesis. This step involves carefully controlling variables and following a specific methodology.

Analysis: Analyze the data collected during the experiments or observations. Use statistical tools and methods to interpret the results objectively.

Conclusion: Based on the data analysis, draw conclusions about whether your hypothesis is supported or rejected. Consider the implications of your findings and their significance in the context of the original question.

Communication: Share your results, findings, and conclusions with the scientific community through scientific papers, presentations, or other appropriate means. This step allows other scientists to replicate and validate your work.

Repeat

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From the OPs linked study

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Conclusions

COVID19 vaccines are overall very safe. There is a low but consistent, tangible rate of postvaccination myocarditis and/or pericarditis identified in several national and international level studies. Whilst there can be no room for complacency, fortunately, the majority are mild and not associated with hospitalization or severe complications. This risk has to be balanced against the much greater risk of death, pulmonary, vascular, and cardiac complications by the SARSCoV2 virus itself. Overall, the risk/benefit ratio hugely remains in favour of vaccination for most classes of ages, especially in older adults. This message is important for both the public and policy makers. For the medical community, a key red flag is in identifying affected individuals (i.e. particularly young men) presenting with chest pain, palpitations, or shortness of breath within 7 days of the second dose of an mRNA vaccine. Management is largely supportive for the majority of affected individuals, unless there is evidence of heart failure or major arrhythmic episodes. Besides pain management, guidelinedriven therapy, potentially complemented by a short course of corticosteroids may need to be considered. Future work should focus on the mechanistic basis for myocarditis and in identifying those at increased risk of adverse outcomes in need of closer longterm monitoring.

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Teenage boys have higher chance of heart damage than of being hospitalized from the virus, this is beyond dispute in at least two separate other studies.

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They were actively monitoring people with no symptoms. They were all mild and transient and no one developed an adverse cardiac event.

Still good to know for the patient/doctor that it is possible.

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For now, since the heart damage is permanent who knows what can happen in the future.

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For those keep score this is actually an example of the science being settled

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Same as global warming science

waco_aggie05 said:

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From the OPs linked study

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Conclusions

COVID19 vaccines are overall very safe. There is a low but consistent, tangible rate of postvaccination myocarditis and/or pericarditis identified in several national and international level studies. Whilst there can be no room for complacency, fortunately, the majority are mild and not associated with hospitalization or severe complications. This risk has to be balanced against the much greater risk of death, pulmonary, vascular, and cardiac complications by the SARSCoV2 virus itself. Overall, the risk/benefit ratio hugely remains in favour of vaccination for most classes of ages, especially in older adults. This message is important for both the public and policy makers. For the medical community, a key red flag is in identifying affected individuals (i.e. particularly young men) presenting with chest pain, palpitations, or shortness of breath within 7 days of the second dose of an mRNA vaccine. Management is largely supportive for the majority of affected individuals, unless there is evidence of heart failure or major arrhythmic episodes. Besides pain management, guidelinedriven therapy, potentially complemented by a short course of corticosteroids may need to be considered. Future work should focus on the mechanistic basis for myocarditis and in identifying those at increased risk of adverse outcomes in need of closer longterm monitoring.

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If I'm correct, this is very recent. Rec'd March 2023 and just now posted on this Scientific online library.

So to say, in 2023, that the risks of contracting covid "hugely" outweigh the risks of the vaccine "for most classes of ages" is total and utter madness.

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Correct, and this is even old now.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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The glitterati compelled people into doing something against their own self interest.

People forget that a lot of blame has got to be put at the feet of these ****bird celebrities for going on the tv and pushing this non-sense.

It was full court press.

There was a time in 2021 were everybody imaginable was on the tv trying to convince you and peer pressure you into doing something against your own self interest AND with serious long term consequences.

Which we are seeing today, as subject of this thread.

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Internet forums compelled people into believe all kinds of crazy conspiracies against their own self interest

The best thing? It doesn't matter one bit to me whether it was safe or not. Not a concern in the world.

Hey purebloods…where you at?

The Green Dragon said:

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The best thing? It doesn't matter one bit to me whether it was safe or not. Not a concern in the world.

Hey purebloods…where you at?

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By 'purebloods'...I assume you mean white people?

Don't forget this:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/cleveland-clinic-peer-reviewed-study-found-that-more/

Cleveland Clinic Peer-Reviewed Study Found that the More Vaccines You've Had, the Higher Your COVID-19 Infection Risk

The Green Dragon said:

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The best thing? It doesn't matter one bit to me whether it was safe or not. Not a concern in the world.

Hey purebloods…where you at?

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Feels good!

The feeling of moral superiority instilled in people that chose to take the vaccine was unbelievable.

To this day I can't believe what we saw go down.

The good thing about it is that those people outed themselves.

But now we know ... by the deafening silence on this thread, just how the cow ate the cabbage.

waco_aggie05 said:

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It being the vax or covid?

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The vaxx. I have never had covid.

When I arrived at the hospital, my oxygen saturation was 62%. My body temperature was 92 degrees. And I was having a heart attack. EF was 18%. Spent 3 weeks in the hospital, 4 days intubated.

Doctors said that a couple of hours later and I would not have survived.