I think the first step needs to be cops enforcing the law. No one wants to spend the night in jail. This will weed out a ton of the junkies and derelicts by forcing them to find another way. Simply not allowing vagrancy would eliminate at least half the problem. After that it gets a lot murkier.

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They'll get brought back to house those of us who need to be "re-educated"…

The Soviets call them gulags.

Progressives will call them Thought Correctional Facilites.

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I'd be worried about this too. Leftists don't care. They'll classify "white supremacists" and "anti-vaxxers" as mentally incompetent. It's not that big of a stretch given what we've seen over the last few years.

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That's why we have the 2nd Amendment.

Plot twist: we can't afford them.

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This is tough one. How do you force someone into an institution (basically prison) indefinitely when they've only committed low level offenses? There were many reasons why the old institutions were closed or repurposed and most of the "insane" were set free.

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I have had the same thought when they talk about mental health and firearm purchases or ownership and red flag laws. How do you decide who is mentally ill and needs to be locked up in an asylum or denied certain rights and privileges? And just how mentally ill do they need to be before that happens? Does the guy who mows his yard with a push mower, while it is raining, and holding an umbrella in one hand qualify as being insane? He was an idiot, but I don't think he was insane. How do you identify them? Will those ratted out by a neighbor have to be tested? Will everyone be?

What is the standard for being locked away? Is there some sort of test, an assessment, and your score will be the basis for some guard pointing you to the left to be kept inside, possibly forever, or point you to the right to be set free.

This talk of asylums reminds me of Dr. Larry Reynolds' English Literature class and his requiring we read "One Flew Over the ****oo's Nest" lol.

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Is there a mental health crisis in America?

Asking for a friend.

pic.twitter.com/Lt0ZpSHlob

— Elon Musk (Parody) (@ElonMuskAOC) July 21, 2023

What should we do with this Wildebeest? put her back in the wild or in a zoo?

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The most disturbing thing about this to me, is that everybody knows they cannot step in and stop this without risking prison time.

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Source for that graphic? I'd like to share it, but not without the backing data.

Win At Life said:

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Zergling Rush said:

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Is there a mental health crisis in America?

Asking for a friend.

pic.twitter.com/Lt0ZpSHlob

— Elon Musk (Parody) (@ElonMuskAOC) July 21, 2023

What should we do with this Wildebeest? put her back in the wild or in a zoo?

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The most disturbing thing about this to me, is that everybody knows they cannot step in and stop this without risking prison time.

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And the business just have to eat the losses in product and probably customers.

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We can't bring them back. That would eliminate a huge voting base for the democrats.

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Not with ballot harvesting.

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We can't bring them back. That would eliminate a huge voting base for the democrats.

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Not with ballot harvesting.

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LOL. That's all we need. More certifiably insane people voting.

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Source for that graphic? I'd like to share it, but not without the backing data.

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B.E. Harcourt, "An Institutionalisation Effect"

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Via The Economist.

Sounds like we have our first candidate for the Asylum for the Blind.

Wait, I thought the current Whitehouse was an asylum.

I don't think we can build enough to 81 million insane people.

I posted this previously:

I heard a stat on a podcast that in 1955 there were 340 inpatient beds for every 100k people for mental illness. Now there are just 17 per 100k. Instead of wasting money on hotel rooms for 40k people, why don't we address one of the root causes of homelessness and invest the money in institutions that are equipped to handle mental illness?

Bring back??? Are you saying they closed the one on the 40 acres in Austin?? I was unaware.

What happened to our asylums?

Violent mentally ill people need to be in prison not the psyc ward where they will be coddled to.

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I think one issue that happened is that there was some level of pushback over time because people were being wrongfully committed. I've read that; no idea how widespread or common that was or how much weight it had in our turn away from treating mental illness.

Real gray area topic. Not sure how you objectively assess a lot of these edge cases. On one hand, we've learned quite a bit over the years and people that were once committed should not/would no longer be committed. And that's a good thing.

OTOH, like a lot of things these days, we got over our skis and have normalized some cases of insanity that should be committed or at least be directed to mental health services. No idea how you put that genie back in the bottle.

The immediate "easy" button group to address are the homeless. Basically, you tell them they get one more chance to get their **** together leveraging the numerous, existing non-profit or tax payer paid channels for treatment. And if they decide not to take advantage or they fail out then you commit them and get them off the street.

After that, it gets hairy.