It's Time to Bring Back Asylums

5,022 Views | 52 Replies | Last: 2 yr ago by YouBet
twk
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I found this to be a very interesting read:

Wall Street Journal (paywall)

Quote:

The ongoing saga of the severely mentally ill in America is stirring attention again in a sadly familiar way. In Los Angeles in early 2022, a 70-year-old nurse was murdered while waiting for a bus, and two days later a young graduate student was stabbed to death in an upscale furniture store where she worked. That same week in New York City, a 40-year-old financial analyst was pushed onto the subway tracks as a train was arriving, killing her instantly.

All three assaults, random and unprovoked, were committed by unsheltered homeless men with violent pasts and long histories of mental illness. In New York, the perpetrator had warned a psychiatrist during one of his many hospitalizations of his intention to commit that very crime.

Then came the chance encounter this May that led to the death of Jordan Neely on a Manhattan-bound subway car. Homeless and schizophrenic, Neely had spent most of his adult life in and out of emergency rooms, psychiatric wards and prison. He had 42 prior arrests, mostly for nuisance crimes, but also for assault. He'd recently pleaded guilty to punching an elderly woman in the face, fracturing her eye socket.

What happened in the moments leading up to his death is still in dispute. While a jury will decide whether another passenger's chokehold on Neely was second-degree manslaughter or an act of self-defense, the attention the incident received speaks volumes about the public's fear of the aggressive and sometimes violent behavior of the mentally ill. Most of all, Neely's death highlights the failures of a mental health system that allows profoundly disturbed people to slip through the cracks.
On an average night, according to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, close to 600,000 people in the country will be homelessa figure seen by many as an undercount. More than 40% will be "unsheltered," or "living in places not suitable for human habitation," and about 20% will be dealing with severe mental illness.

Experts sharply disagree about the contribution of homelessness to rising crime rates. Some emphasize that the most of these crimes are low-level victimless offenses, such as loitering or public urination. But others note the disproportionately high level of all crimes, including assaults and homicides, committed by those battling homelessness and mental issues simultaneously.

Had Jordan Neely and the others been born a generation or two earlier, they probably would not have wound up on the streets. There was an alternative back then: state psychiatric hospitals, popularly known as asylums. Massive, architecturally imposing, and set on bucolic acreage, they housed close to 600,000 patients by the 1950s, totaling half the nation's hospital population. Today, that number is 45,000 and falling.
The article goes on to talk about how, in the 1950s, psychiatry began to see drugs (in particular, Thorazine) as an alternative to institutionalization, and how the Community Mental Health Act signed by JFK in 1963 intended to replace asylums with 1,500 local clinics where patients could receive drugs and therapy on an outpatient basis -- but few of which were ever built.

Another thing discussed in the article is how, to the extent the persons once institutionalized are living on the streets, prisons have mostly picked up the load. When you consider the statistic in bold, above, where we've reduced mental health beds by over 550,000, with the fact that prison population has increased over that same time period, from 185,000 to 1,900,000, it seems to me that there is a pretty direct correlation.

In talking about alternatives, they also discuss a new 320 bed in-patient facility built in Massachusetts which is more like a rehab facility, but the cost per resident is almost four times the cost to house a prisoner in Massachusetts (which is $55,00 per annum), so finding the money for that kind of approach doesn't seem realistic.
Post removed:
by user
Hubert J. Farnsworth
How long do you want to ignore this user?
The nut houses definitely need to be brought back. If anything, it would get a large percentage of the homeless off the streets.
MouthBQ98
How long do you want to ignore this user?
How are you going to fit all those woke progressives in them? The meds are obviously not enough.
AgNav93
How long do you want to ignore this user?
We can't bring them back. That would eliminate a huge voting base for the democrats.
boulderaggie
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I think a ticking time bomb has to do with the alarming rise in the rate of autism. Often, severely autistic people are not able to live on their own so their parents take care of them. What happens when their parents are no longer capable or pass away? It's going to be a problem for many.
Red Red Wine
How long do you want to ignore this user?
You missed it: We are ALL living in one today. It's called the "United State of America".


I'm sad.
Jason C.
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AgNav93 said:

We can't bring them back. That would eliminate a huge voting base for the democrats.


Idk it might actually help their ballot harvesting
BigRobSA
How long do you want to ignore this user?
boulderaggie said:

I think a ticking time bomb has to do with the alarming rise in the rate of autism. Often, severely autistic people are not able to live on their own so their parents take care of them. What happens when their parents are no longer capable or pass away? It's going to be a problem for many.


Too many kids, labeled "autistic", are just precious snoweflaykes that act out because their stupid ass parents should NEVER have had kids and don't parent them. They're not autistic, they're just bratty ass kids.
93MarineHorn
How long do you want to ignore this user?
This is tough one. How do you force someone into an institution (basically prison) indefinitely when they've only committed low level offenses? There were many reasons why the old institutions were closed or repurposed and most of the "insane" were set free.
BigJim49 AustinNowDallas
How long do you want to ignore this user?
My sister and I had to walk through the asylum in Austin to go to first and third grades at Baker School -never was bothered by an inmate but their screams were off putting! At first our Mother walked with us to the entrance but stopped there.

Were we glad when a fence was built around the asylum and we had to walk an extra 4 bocks around -
you know the answer!
BigJim49AustinnowDallas
Krombopulos Michael
How long do you want to ignore this user?


What should we do with this Wildebeest? put her back in the wild or in a zoo?
Owlagdad
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I think the old Terrell Hospital was named: North Texas Lunatic Asylum. Very fitting of todays liberals.
Win At Life
How long do you want to ignore this user?
It's Time to Bring Back Asylums

Agree

aggiehawg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
93MarineHorn said:

This is tough one. How do you force someone into an institution (basically prison) indefinitely when they've only committed low level offenses? There were many reasons why the old institutions were closed or repurposed and most of the "insane" were set free.
Was wondering about that too.
twk
How long do you want to ignore this user?
aggiehawg said:

93MarineHorn said:

This is tough one. How do you force someone into an institution (basically prison) indefinitely when they've only committed low level offenses? There were many reasons why the old institutions were closed or repurposed and most of the "insane" were set free.
Was wondering about that too.
You'd have to change the standards to admit everyone to in-patient care that would likely benefit from it, but, even without doing that, they have more folks that qualify than they can find beds for under current standards.
Old May Banker
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Take a Billy club to her head, drag her out by her hair, and then put her in a padded cell where meals consist of Thorazine and Valium for the rest of her life.
197361936
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Be careful what you wish for regarding asylums...

I don't know that I trust the psych majors of the world, given what is going on with the lgbtq crowd, to be overlords of disturbed peoples lives.
aggiehawg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
twk said:

aggiehawg said:

93MarineHorn said:

This is tough one. How do you force someone into an institution (basically prison) indefinitely when they've only committed low level offenses? There were many reasons why the old institutions were closed or repurposed and most of the "insane" were set free.
Was wondering about that too.
You'd have to change the standards to admit everyone to in-patient care that would likely benefit from it, but, even without doing that, they have more folks that qualify than they can find beds for under current standards.
Make those asylums private, as in for profit, and there would be a waiting list. Judges would be sending everyone there, while owning stock in the companies.
Old McDonald
How long do you want to ignore this user?
reopen them and fill them with forever trumpers
Gigem314
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Runaway train never going back...
Ornithopter
How long do you want to ignore this user?
JFK signing that law is pretty ironic, his sister was put in an asylum after being given a lobotomy.
HarryJ33tamu
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Old McDonald said:

reopen them and fill them with forever trumpers


So hilariously ironic coming from a lefty that believes men can have periods and birth babies.
CrawlingNo5
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Zergling Rush said:



What should we do with this Wildebeest? put her back in the wild or in a zoo?


Not my proudest fap
DatTallArchitect
How long do you want to ignore this user?
93MarineHorn said:

This is tough one. How do you force someone into an institution (basically prison) indefinitely when they've only committed low level offenses? There were many reasons why the old institutions were closed or repurposed and most of the "insane" were set free.
I agree. The solution isn't a simple one. The problem was created when they threw the baby out with the bath water. There are people thriving today that would have been institutionalized back in the 50s & 60s. On the other hand, over 75% of the homeless population suffers from mental illness. People that have a strong support group can do well. Depending on the type and severity, that could be just one person checking in on them. There needs to be options. Instead, we went from everyone's locked up to shutting down all of the asylums.
one safe place
How long do you want to ignore this user?
twk said:

Quote:


All three assaults, random and unprovoked, were committed by unsheltered homeless men with violent pasts and long histories of mental illness. In New York, the perpetrator had warned a psychiatrist during one of his many hospitalizations of his intention to commit that very crime.


Depending on the level and frequency of violence, they should have been behind bars.

As far as building asylums, I hope we don't spend a lot of money. Those who were already unsheltered and homeless should be inexpensively "housed." Put a tall fence with razor wire around a couple hundred acres and lock them inside. They are already used to sleeping outside.
carl spacklers hat
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Americans have been brainwashed into believing mental health can be managed with a pill.
People think I'm an idiot or something, because all I do is cut lawns for a living.
sleepybeagle
How long do you want to ignore this user?
aggiehawg said:

93MarineHorn said:

This is tough one. How do you force someone into an institution (basically prison) indefinitely when they've only committed low level offenses? There were many reasons why the old institutions were closed or repurposed and most of the "insane" were set free.
Was wondering about that too.
Last time I was in San Francisco there was a guy rolled up in a wet rug on the street corner mumbling and drooling on himself with his head resting on a brick.

We can call him "homeless" and thus insinuate that his problem is he just doesn't have a home and conveniently leave him there to die

- or -

We can put him in an institution where he at a minimum will be clean and fed with a real bed to sleep in. There's a better chance for him to figure out his problems there and get back into society than leaving him on the street.
Definitely Not A Cop
How long do you want to ignore this user?
93MarineHorn said:

This is tough one. How do you force someone into an institution (basically prison) indefinitely when they've only committed low level offenses? There were many reasons why the old institutions were closed or repurposed and most of the "insane" were set free.


If you would rather do so much heroin that you would rather live under a bridge in a ski coat in 105 degree weather, I think you should be in a mental hospital. Start with the easy cases, homeless people in Texas are mostly nuts.

Once we have that figured out, we can get to the homeless in temperate climates.
JWinTX
How long do you want to ignore this user?
They'll get brought back to house those of us who need to be "re-educated"…

The Soviets call them gulags.

Progressives will call them Thought Correctional Facilites.
Shooter McGavin
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Old McDonald said:

reopen them and fill them with never trumpers
FIFY

Not so funny now is it?
sleepybeagle
How long do you want to ignore this user?
JWinTX said:

They'll get brought back to house those of us who need to be "re-educated"…

The Soviets call them gulags.

Progressives will call them Thought Correctional Facilites.
Well... you make a good point there.
93MarineHorn
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Quote:

They'll get brought back to house those of us who need to be "re-educated"…

The Soviets call them gulags.

Progressives will call them Thought Correctional Facilites.


I'd be worried about this too. Leftists don't care. They'll classify "white supremacists" and "anti-vaxxers" as mentally incompetent. It's not that big of a stretch given what we've seen over the last few years.
YouBet
How long do you want to ignore this user?
One of the harder problems to solve in this country based on reasons already posted. Not sure what you do but there has to be a better way and middle ground to at least mitigate some of this.
YouBet
How long do you want to ignore this user?
93MarineHorn said:

Quote:

They'll get brought back to house those of us who need to be "re-educated"…

The Soviets call them gulags.

Progressives will call them Thought Correctional Facilites.


I'd be worried about this too. Leftists don't care. They'll classify "white supremacists" and "anti-vaxxers" as mentally incompetent. It's not that big of a stretch given what we've seen over the last few years.
The recent rise in extreme leftism wanting to adopt 1984 as a solution is the primary thing giving me pause on any solution here other than rounding up the homeless and dumping them in a fenced in, open camping ground.
Page 1 of 2
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.