EclipseAg said:

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A hit movie like "Frozen" is a multi-billion-dollar, money-printing machine for Disney.

It drives everything -- studio revenue, park attendance, retail sales.

I had a family member who worked at Magic Kingdom when "Frozen" was at its peak. She was often assigned to the Elsa picture queue.

People from around the world came to the park with little girls in tow to see Elsa. "Frozen is here?" they would ask in broken English. The lines were incredible -- four hours at some points in the day.

It's absolutely shocking to me that Disney spends money on laughably bad "Little Mermaid" remakes when they should be searching for the next "Frozen" -- even if the characters are white. That's a clear sign that the company is creatively bankrupt and focused more on DEI than money.

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Two options:

1. Assume it is a result of DeSantis if it makes you feel better.
2. Dig a little and see what is really behind it across all content providers in the streaming world. The days of a small handful of big players owning content are over. Wild and fast evolution. Interesting that the writers and actors are acting like the biz model is from 15 years ago.

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aggiehawg said:

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Seems Warner Bros. is about to do the same with the Barbie movie. Not getting very good reviews.

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Logos Stick said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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EclipseAg said:

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A hit movie like "Frozen" is a multi-billion-dollar, money-printing machine for Disney.

It drives everything -- studio revenue, park attendance, retail sales.

I had a family member who worked at Magic Kingdom when "Frozen" was at its peak. She was often assigned to the Elsa picture queue.

People from around the world came to the park with little girls in tow to see Elsa. "Frozen is here?" they would ask in broken English. The lines were incredible -- four hours at some points in the day.

It's absolutely shocking to me that Disney spends money on laughably bad "Little Mermaid" remakes when they should be searching for the next "Frozen" -- even if the characters are white. That's a clear sign that the company is creatively bankrupt and focused more on DEI than money.

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To be fair, the Little Mermaid isn't the main issue. It will end up over $300M domestically and is past break even. It didn't knock it out of the park but it isn't hurting the bottom line.

It is stuff like Indiana Jones, Elemental, Ant Man 3, Lightyear, etc that are creating issues.

Inflated budgets and bad box office performances.

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Actually, Mermaid is considered a huge flop by the experts.

You don't make films hoping for breakeven.

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aggiehawg said:

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Seems Warner Bros. is about to do the same with the Barbie movie. Not getting very good reviews.

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Seems Warner Bros. is about to do the same with the Barbie movie. Not getting very good reviews.

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It's at 89% on Rotten Tomatoes. Tracking towards $110M domestic this weekend.

Granted I'll be seeing Oppenheimer but it looks like Barbie will do well.

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aggiehawg said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Seems Warner Bros. is about to do the same with the Barbie movie. Not getting very good reviews.

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It's at 89% on Rotten Tomatoes. Tracking towards $110M domestic this weekend.

Granted I'll be seeing Oppenheimer but it looks like Barbie will do well.

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Movie is kind of getting hit by both sides. Some say it is agenda driven woke with others saying it is n't woke enough.

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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EclipseAg said:

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A hit movie like "Frozen" is a multi-billion-dollar, money-printing machine for Disney.

It drives everything -- studio revenue, park attendance, retail sales.

I had a family member who worked at Magic Kingdom when "Frozen" was at its peak. She was often assigned to the Elsa picture queue.

People from around the world came to the park with little girls in tow to see Elsa. "Frozen is here?" they would ask in broken English. The lines were incredible -- four hours at some points in the day.

It's absolutely shocking to me that Disney spends money on laughably bad "Little Mermaid" remakes when they should be searching for the next "Frozen" -- even if the characters are white. That's a clear sign that the company is creatively bankrupt and focused more on DEI than money.

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To be fair, the Little Mermaid isn't the main issue. It will end up over $300M domestically and is past break even. It didn't knock it out of the park but it isn't hurting the bottom line.

It is stuff like Indiana Jones, Elemental, Ant Man 3, Lightyear, etc that are creating issues.

Inflated budgets and bad box office performances.

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Actually, Mermaid is considered a huge flop by the experts.

You don't make films hoping for breakeven.

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You don't but the 4th highest grossing movie of the year isn't a disaster. It outgrossed the original Little Mermaid even accounting for inflation.

Indiana Jones is a disaster.

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With a $250 million production cost and a reported $140 million marketing cost, The Little Mermaid, under the most generous of projections, needs to gross approximately $560 million at the worldwide box office, according to Hollywood insiders, to reach its break-even threshold.

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The Little Mermaid, which has presently grossed approximately $326 million at the worldwide box office, is a box office failure for Disney.

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Predmid said:

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the entire line of live-action remakes have been terrrrrrible.

Would have been better to just do theatrical re-releases of the originals. Heck, make them sing-a-long versions with the lyrics up on the screen. Go nuts. The movies are already made. What production cost is there?

Better profits, better movies, and hitting that millennial parent nostalgia button to re-introduce the movies to an entire post-zoomer generation to the 90s golden years of animated disney movies.

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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EclipseAg said:

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A hit movie like "Frozen" is a multi-billion-dollar, money-printing machine for Disney.

It drives everything -- studio revenue, park attendance, retail sales.

I had a family member who worked at Magic Kingdom when "Frozen" was at its peak. She was often assigned to the Elsa picture queue.

People from around the world came to the park with little girls in tow to see Elsa. "Frozen is here?" they would ask in broken English. The lines were incredible -- four hours at some points in the day.

It's absolutely shocking to me that Disney spends money on laughably bad "Little Mermaid" remakes when they should be searching for the next "Frozen" -- even if the characters are white. That's a clear sign that the company is creatively bankrupt and focused more on DEI than money.

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To be fair, the Little Mermaid isn't the main issue. It will end up over $300M domestically and is past break even. It didn't knock it out of the park but it isn't hurting the bottom line.

It is stuff like Indiana Jones, Elemental, Ant Man 3, Lightyear, etc that are creating issues.

Inflated budgets and bad box office performances.

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Actually, Mermaid is considered a huge flop by the experts.

You don't make films hoping for breakeven.

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You don't but the 4th highest grossing movie of the year isn't a disaster. It outgrossed the original Little Mermaid even accounting for inflation.

Indiana Jones is a disaster.

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akm91 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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EclipseAg said:

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A hit movie like "Frozen" is a multi-billion-dollar, money-printing machine for Disney.

It drives everything -- studio revenue, park attendance, retail sales.

I had a family member who worked at Magic Kingdom when "Frozen" was at its peak. She was often assigned to the Elsa picture queue.

People from around the world came to the park with little girls in tow to see Elsa. "Frozen is here?" they would ask in broken English. The lines were incredible -- four hours at some points in the day.

It's absolutely shocking to me that Disney spends money on laughably bad "Little Mermaid" remakes when they should be searching for the next "Frozen" -- even if the characters are white. That's a clear sign that the company is creatively bankrupt and focused more on DEI than money.

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To be fair, the Little Mermaid isn't the main issue. It will end up over $300M domestically and is past break even. It didn't knock it out of the park but it isn't hurting the bottom line.

It is stuff like Indiana Jones, Elemental, Ant Man 3, Lightyear, etc that are creating issues.

Inflated budgets and bad box office performances.

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Actually, Mermaid is considered a huge flop by the experts.

You don't make films hoping for breakeven.

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You don't but the 4th highest grossing movie of the year isn't a disaster. It outgrossed the original Little Mermaid even accounting for inflation.

Indiana Jones is a disaster.

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With a $250 million production cost and a reported $140 million marketing cost, The Little Mermaid, under the most generous of projections, needs to gross approximately $560 million at the worldwide box office, according to Hollywood insiders, to reach its break-even threshold.

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It's well short of that figure.

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The Little Mermaid, which has presently grossed approximately $326 million at the worldwide box office, is a box office failure for Disney.

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Granted this article is about a month old, but LM will need to make approximately $460M in world wide box office in order to reach that $560M figure.

Little Mermaid a flop

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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akm91 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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EclipseAg said:

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A hit movie like "Frozen" is a multi-billion-dollar, money-printing machine for Disney.

It drives everything -- studio revenue, park attendance, retail sales.

I had a family member who worked at Magic Kingdom when "Frozen" was at its peak. She was often assigned to the Elsa picture queue.

People from around the world came to the park with little girls in tow to see Elsa. "Frozen is here?" they would ask in broken English. The lines were incredible -- four hours at some points in the day.

It's absolutely shocking to me that Disney spends money on laughably bad "Little Mermaid" remakes when they should be searching for the next "Frozen" -- even if the characters are white. That's a clear sign that the company is creatively bankrupt and focused more on DEI than money.

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To be fair, the Little Mermaid isn't the main issue. It will end up over $300M domestically and is past break even. It didn't knock it out of the park but it isn't hurting the bottom line.

It is stuff like Indiana Jones, Elemental, Ant Man 3, Lightyear, etc that are creating issues.

Inflated budgets and bad box office performances.

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Actually, Mermaid is considered a huge flop by the experts.

You don't make films hoping for breakeven.

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You don't but the 4th highest grossing movie of the year isn't a disaster. It outgrossed the original Little Mermaid even accounting for inflation.

Indiana Jones is a disaster.

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With a $250 million production cost and a reported $140 million marketing cost, The Little Mermaid, under the most generous of projections, needs to gross approximately $560 million at the worldwide box office, according to Hollywood insiders, to reach its break-even threshold.

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It's well short of that figure.

Quote:

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The Little Mermaid, which has presently grossed approximately $326 million at the worldwide box office, is a box office failure for Disney.

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Granted this article is about a month old, but LM will need to make approximately $460M in world wide box office in order to reach that $560M figure.

Little Mermaid a flop

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It's at $554M currently. Again not a success. But it will break even.

For comparison, last year several films (Strange World, Lightyear, Babylon, Devotion) that lost $90-200M.

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Logos Stick said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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EclipseAg said:

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A hit movie like "Frozen" is a multi-billion-dollar, money-printing machine for Disney.

It drives everything -- studio revenue, park attendance, retail sales.

I had a family member who worked at Magic Kingdom when "Frozen" was at its peak. She was often assigned to the Elsa picture queue.

People from around the world came to the park with little girls in tow to see Elsa. "Frozen is here?" they would ask in broken English. The lines were incredible -- four hours at some points in the day.

It's absolutely shocking to me that Disney spends money on laughably bad "Little Mermaid" remakes when they should be searching for the next "Frozen" -- even if the characters are white. That's a clear sign that the company is creatively bankrupt and focused more on DEI than money.

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To be fair, the Little Mermaid isn't the main issue. It will end up over $300M domestically and is past break even. It didn't knock it out of the park but it isn't hurting the bottom line.

It is stuff like Indiana Jones, Elemental, Ant Man 3, Lightyear, etc that are creating issues.

Inflated budgets and bad box office performances.

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Actually, Mermaid is considered a huge flop by the experts.

You don't make films hoping for breakeven.

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The film runs on hate, not affection.

"Barbie," inspired by the Mattel toy dating back to 1959, loathes men to a degree that would make a Women's Studies major blush. It hates the Barbie toy itself, dubbing it "fascist" and worse throughout the film.

"Barbie" also hates women with sweet memories of the doll. Just know you supported the "Patriarchy" all those years ago. And maybe even now.

That leaves an ambitious film, scattered with well-earned laughs, that disintegrates during a disastrous third act.

[Time Magazine's review hinted at this too, although it clearly approves of that messaging more. Ed]

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"Woke" Movie Not So Woke, "Barbie Isn't a Feminist Icon," Says Writer

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captkirk said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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akm91 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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EclipseAg said:

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A hit movie like "Frozen" is a multi-billion-dollar, money-printing machine for Disney.

It drives everything -- studio revenue, park attendance, retail sales.

I had a family member who worked at Magic Kingdom when "Frozen" was at its peak. She was often assigned to the Elsa picture queue.

People from around the world came to the park with little girls in tow to see Elsa. "Frozen is here?" they would ask in broken English. The lines were incredible -- four hours at some points in the day.

It's absolutely shocking to me that Disney spends money on laughably bad "Little Mermaid" remakes when they should be searching for the next "Frozen" -- even if the characters are white. That's a clear sign that the company is creatively bankrupt and focused more on DEI than money.

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To be fair, the Little Mermaid isn't the main issue. It will end up over $300M domestically and is past break even. It didn't knock it out of the park but it isn't hurting the bottom line.

It is stuff like Indiana Jones, Elemental, Ant Man 3, Lightyear, etc that are creating issues.

Inflated budgets and bad box office performances.

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Actually, Mermaid is considered a huge flop by the experts.

You don't make films hoping for breakeven.

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You don't but the 4th highest grossing movie of the year isn't a disaster. It outgrossed the original Little Mermaid even accounting for inflation.

Indiana Jones is a disaster.

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Quote:

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With a $250 million production cost and a reported $140 million marketing cost, The Little Mermaid, under the most generous of projections, needs to gross approximately $560 million at the worldwide box office, according to Hollywood insiders, to reach its break-even threshold.

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It's well short of that figure.

Quote:

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The Little Mermaid, which has presently grossed approximately $326 million at the worldwide box office, is a box office failure for Disney.

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Granted this article is about a month old, but LM will need to make approximately $460M in world wide box office in order to reach that $560M figure.

Little Mermaid a flop

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It's at $554M currently. Again not a success. But it will break even.

For comparison, last year several films (Strange World, Lightyear, Babylon, Devotion) that lost $90-200M.

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No - they have to split that with the movie theaters - see math above

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aggiehawg said:

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The film runs on hate, not affection.

"Barbie," inspired by the Mattel toy dating back to 1959, loathes men to a degree that would make a Women's Studies major blush. It hates the Barbie toy itself, dubbing it "fascist" and worse throughout the film.

"Barbie" also hates women with sweet memories of the doll. Just know you supported the "Patriarchy" all those years ago. And maybe even now.

That leaves an ambitious film, scattered with well-earned laughs, that disintegrates during a disastrous third act.

[Time Magazine's review hinted at this too, although it clearly approves of that messaging more. Ed]

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Via Hot Air

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"Woke" Movie Not So Woke, "Barbie Isn't a Feminist Icon," Says Writer

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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captkirk said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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akm91 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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EclipseAg said:

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A hit movie like "Frozen" is a multi-billion-dollar, money-printing machine for Disney.

It drives everything -- studio revenue, park attendance, retail sales.

I had a family member who worked at Magic Kingdom when "Frozen" was at its peak. She was often assigned to the Elsa picture queue.

People from around the world came to the park with little girls in tow to see Elsa. "Frozen is here?" they would ask in broken English. The lines were incredible -- four hours at some points in the day.

It's absolutely shocking to me that Disney spends money on laughably bad "Little Mermaid" remakes when they should be searching for the next "Frozen" -- even if the characters are white. That's a clear sign that the company is creatively bankrupt and focused more on DEI than money.

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To be fair, the Little Mermaid isn't the main issue. It will end up over $300M domestically and is past break even. It didn't knock it out of the park but it isn't hurting the bottom line.

It is stuff like Indiana Jones, Elemental, Ant Man 3, Lightyear, etc that are creating issues.

Inflated budgets and bad box office performances.

---

Actually, Mermaid is considered a huge flop by the experts.

You don't make films hoping for breakeven.

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You don't but the 4th highest grossing movie of the year isn't a disaster. It outgrossed the original Little Mermaid even accounting for inflation.

Indiana Jones is a disaster.

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With a $250 million production cost and a reported $140 million marketing cost, The Little Mermaid, under the most generous of projections, needs to gross approximately $560 million at the worldwide box office, according to Hollywood insiders, to reach its break-even threshold.

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It's well short of that figure.

Quote:

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The Little Mermaid, which has presently grossed approximately $326 million at the worldwide box office, is a box office failure for Disney.

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Granted this article is about a month old, but LM will need to make approximately $460M in world wide box office in order to reach that $560M figure.

Little Mermaid a flop

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It's at $554M currently. Again not a success. But it will break even.

For comparison, last year several films (Strange World, Lightyear, Babylon, Devotion) that lost $90-200M.

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No - they have to split that with the movie theaters - see math above

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The $560M break even number quoted above included home media sales and television.

I'm aware they split the box office. Again, not arguing it was a success. But there have been 4 significant flops for Disney in the last 12 months. Much more notable the Little Mermaid.

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Geddy Lee soul patch said:

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Looks like a good time to buy Disney stock

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Prosperdick said:

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One other note on the Little Mermaid is that the companies who produced the tie-in merchandise took such a bloodbath that now for movies like Snow White and the Seven Figure Loss, those same companies have contract language that makes Disney purchase back everything they can't sell...that will just further exacerbate their losses.

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aggiehawg said:

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Prosperdick said:

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One other note on the Little Mermaid is that the companies who produced the tie-in merchandise took such a bloodbath that now for movies like Snow White and the Seven Figure Loss, those same companies have contract language that makes Disney purchase back everything they can't sell...that will just further exacerbate their losses.

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Exactly. Disney really is in a perfect storm of financial ruin coming at them from every direction and they still have the Hulu deal to figure out.

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Prosperdick said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Prosperdick said:

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One other note on the Little Mermaid is that the companies who produced the tie-in merchandise took such a bloodbath that now for movies like Snow White and the Seven Figure Loss, those same companies have contract language that makes Disney purchase back everything they can't sell...that will just further exacerbate their losses.

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Exactly. Disney really is in a perfect storm of financial ruin coming at them from every direction and they still have the Hulu deal to figure out.

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And I bet their same hubris will cause them to double down on Snow White and tell those companies to ramp up their toys and merchandise because who wouldn't want toys that looked this:

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Prosperdick said:

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One other note on the Little Mermaid is that the companies who produced the tie-in merchandise took such a bloodbath that now for movies like Snow White and the Seven Figure Loss, those same companies have contract language that makes Disney purchase back everything they can't sell...that will just further exacerbate their losses.

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Logos Stick said:

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Prosperdick said:

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One other note on the Little Mermaid is that the companies who produced the tie-in merchandise took such a bloodbath that now for movies like Snow White and the Seven Figure Loss, those same companies have contract language that makes Disney purchase back everything they can't sell...that will just further exacerbate their losses.

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Snow White and the Seven Figure Loss....

LMAO.

Yeah, it's gonna be a bloodbath for that movie too.

Disney is lost.

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Bob Iger is seeking to reassure an anxious arm of Disney's business.
In an off-site meeting on Tuesday, the Disney chief executive spoke to senior leaders of the company's television businesses, CNN has learned. The meeting came just days after Iger made decidedly candid remarks to CNBC's David Faber in which he said Disney's linear business "may not be core" to the entertainment giant a comment that immediately sent shockwaves through the industry.

The admission to Faber naturally set off alarm bells inside Disney General Entertainment Content, the division of the Magic Kingdom that houses its linear business and operates quintessential broadcast and cable networks such as ABC, the Disney Channel, National Geographic, and FX.

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The chief executive on Tuesday sought to quell some of this unease as he fielded questions submitted by senior company leaders assembled at the off-site. He told the personnel gathered that the content created by the company's television production teams is "incredibly valuable to our business," according to a person with knowledge of his remarks.

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And Iger talked up the importance of ABC News: "I'm ridiculously passionate about news," Iger said, according to the person familiar with his comments. "It's important to this company. We need to figure out how it makes the transition into streaming. And I happen to believe we will endure. It's too good, it's too important, and it's really fun."

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Of course, those comments are unlikely to entirely calm the rattled nerves of those working in Disney's television businesses. While Iger did not explicitly tell Faber that he wanted to sell the linear stations and networks, he effectively put that sector of the business on the market with his comments.

Expressing passion for the news does not solve for that. No one has ever doubted Iger's love for the news business. And it comes as no surprise that Iger believes the content produced by the television production teams holds incredible value.

The important question is and always has been whether the linear television businesses are crucial to Disney, particularly as Iger positions the company for the future. Iger has already answered that and candidly so. "They may not be core to Disney," he openly told Faber.

As one Disney insider told me on Tuesday, Iger's remarks to senior leaders were "the usual jewel in the crown stuff except now we know that he's selling the jewel."

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