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Well it didn't help that we had a bigoted 'progressive' Democrat in office as POTUS at the end of WW1, when Europe was exhausted, and as well when WW2 started, trying to play it neutral/look the other way with the nazi's and their fans running big industrial American companies (like Ford), looking to profit off the conflict.

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The US "played it neutral" because there were plenty of pacifists and Nazi sympathizers pushing the exact same crap you do today: "It's not our conflict, and we shouldn't get involved one way or the other. Just let Hitler and Germany have what they want because peace and servitude is better than bloodshed and freedom." We can (almost) all see in hindsight that they were a bunch of suckers doing exactly what Hitler and the Nazis wanted, which was keeping US public opinion divided and the US or of the war effort at much as possible for as long as possible. Crazy how Russia doesn't try to do that today with their sympathizers...

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Monetarily and politically supporting the nazi's trying to seize borders vs. Russians beyond what they control is an interesting parallel, I will give you that. I look forward to this year's Banderite parades/celebrations, as I am sure you do.

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You keep doing everything you can to excuse and justify all of the rape, murder, and pillaging done by Russia, comrade. You're doing an excellent job.

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Likewise, you've done a great job excusing any culpability of all actors other than Vladimir Putin, as a proximate cause/contributing factor in the destruction of the people of Ukraine and as well 300K deaths on the battlefield and starvation/inflation/hunger the war has created.

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Correct. As he's the only one who decided to launch an unprovoked invasion, no matter how many pretzels you have to twist yourself into in your strange desire to justify it.

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Similarly, kudo's to your patriotic confidence in the team of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Samantha Power, Victoria Nuland, Tony Blinken, Gen. Milley, Jake Sullivan, and John F Kerry (who served in Vietnam, btw) to lead us into a war with Russia and maybe China next.

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This is what I'm talking about. You can distrust our leadership and still support a just war at the same time. Maybe Ukraine doesn't want to be a Belorussian puppet. Maybe the country wants to be more Europe and less Russia.

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Well it didn't help that we had a bigoted 'progressive' Democrat in office as POTUS at the end of WW1, when Europe was exhausted, and as well when WW2 started, trying to play it neutral/look the other way with the nazi's and their fans running big industrial American companies (like Ford), looking to profit off the conflict.

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The US "played it neutral" because there were plenty of pacifists and Nazi sympathizers pushing the exact same crap you do today: "It's not our conflict, and we shouldn't get involved one way or the other. Just let Hitler and Germany have what they want because peace and servitude is better than bloodshed and freedom." We can (almost) all see in hindsight that they were a bunch of suckers doing exactly what Hitler and the Nazis wanted, which was keeping US public opinion divided and the US or of the war effort at much as possible for as long as possible. Crazy how Russia doesn't try to do that today with their sympathizers...

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Monetarily and politically supporting the nazi's trying to seize borders vs. Russians beyond what they control is an interesting parallel, I will give you that. I look forward to this year's Banderite parades/celebrations, as I am sure you do.

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You keep doing everything you can to excuse and justify all of the rape, murder, and pillaging done by Russia, comrade. You're doing an excellent job.

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Likewise, you've done a great job excusing any culpability of all actors other than Vladimir Putin, as a proximate cause/contributing factor in the destruction of the people of Ukraine and as well 300K deaths on the battlefield and starvation/inflation/hunger the war has created.

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The fault of this war lies 100% at the feet of Vladimir Putin. He doesn't invade then there is no war. Wax poetic all you want but that is the cold hard undeniable truth.

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Well it didn't help that we had a bigoted 'progressive' Democrat in office as POTUS at the end of WW1, when Europe was exhausted, and as well when WW2 started, trying to play it neutral/look the other way with the nazi's and their fans running big industrial American companies (like Ford), looking to profit off the conflict.

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The US "played it neutral" because there were plenty of pacifists and Nazi sympathizers pushing the exact same crap you do today: "It's not our conflict, and we shouldn't get involved one way or the other. Just let Hitler and Germany have what they want because peace and servitude is better than bloodshed and freedom." We can (almost) all see in hindsight that they were a bunch of suckers doing exactly what Hitler and the Nazis wanted, which was keeping US public opinion divided and the US or of the war effort at much as possible for as long as possible. Crazy how Russia doesn't try to do that today with their sympathizers...

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Monetarily and politically supporting the nazi's trying to seize borders vs. Russians beyond what they control is an interesting parallel, I will give you that. I look forward to this year's Banderite parades/celebrations, as I am sure you do.

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You keep doing everything you can to excuse and justify all of the rape, murder, and pillaging done by Russia, comrade. You're doing an excellent job.

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Likewise, you've done a great job excusing any culpability of all actors other than Vladimir Putin, as a proximate cause/contributing factor in the destruction of the people of Ukraine and as well 300K deaths on the battlefield and starvation/inflation/hunger the war has created.

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Correct. As he's the only one who decided to launch an unprovoked invasion, no matter how many pretzels you have to twist yourself into in your strange desire to justify it.

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Similarly, kudo's to your patriotic confidence in the team of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Samantha Power, Victoria Nuland, Tony Blinken, Gen. Milley, Jake Sullivan, and John F Kerry (who served in Vietnam, btw) to lead us into a war with Russia and maybe China next.

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As usual, when you have no argument it's time for the strawmen to come out. But since you're making up things that won't happen, any war with Russia would also be 100% Putin's fault since it would only come from him invading a NATO country. I'm sure you'd still find a way to try and justify it though.

There are ethnic Russians being oppressed in Estonia/Lithuania/Latvia/Poland. That plus the biolabs, there are no good guys in that conflict either

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Well it didn't help that we had a bigoted 'progressive' Democrat in office as POTUS at the end of WW1, when Europe was exhausted, and as well when WW2 started, trying to play it neutral/look the other way with the nazi's and their fans running big industrial American companies (like Ford), looking to profit off the conflict.

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The US "played it neutral" because there were plenty of pacifists and Nazi sympathizers pushing the exact same crap you do today: "It's not our conflict, and we shouldn't get involved one way or the other. Just let Hitler and Germany have what they want because peace and servitude is better than bloodshed and freedom." We can (almost) all see in hindsight that they were a bunch of suckers doing exactly what Hitler and the Nazis wanted, which was keeping US public opinion divided and the US or of the war effort at much as possible for as long as possible. Crazy how Russia doesn't try to do that today with their sympathizers...

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Monetarily and politically supporting the nazi's trying to seize borders vs. Russians beyond what they control is an interesting parallel, I will give you that. I look forward to this year's Banderite parades/celebrations, as I am sure you do.

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You keep doing everything you can to excuse and justify all of the rape, murder, and pillaging done by Russia, comrade. You're doing an excellent job.

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Likewise, you've done a great job excusing any culpability of all actors other than Vladimir Putin, as a proximate cause/contributing factor in the destruction of the people of Ukraine and as well 300K deaths on the battlefield and starvation/inflation/hunger the war has created.

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Correct. As he's the only one who decided to launch an unprovoked invasion, no matter how many pretzels you have to twist yourself into in your strange desire to justify it.

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Similarly, kudo's to your patriotic confidence in the team of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Samantha Power, Victoria Nuland, Tony Blinken, Gen. Milley, Jake Sullivan, and John F Kerry (who served in Vietnam, btw) to lead us into a war with Russia and maybe China next.

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This is what I'm talking about. You can distrust our leadership and still support a just war at the same time. Maybe Ukraine doesn't want to be a Belorussian puppet. Maybe the country wants to be more Europe and less Russia.

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Maybe. But we'll never know if that was true or not. Because it is a totally un-free country. Without a free press, religion, people forced into service, closed borders, subject to foreign powers influence entirely.

But some disagree and think it's worth throwing a trillion dollars at. I know. I've been told repeatedly how honorable the Biden-Zelensky cause is. Weirdly, I don't believe in the narrative, no matter how condescendingly stupid it is.

You don't have to believe the narrative. You don't have to support our aid. You don't have to like anything positive we do for Ukraine. What people take issue with is your constant and steady pandering to Russia, making excuses for them, and believing their outright propaganda is in the same stratosphere as ours.

Maximus, maximus maximus maximus!

I'll post an update from another perspective in the am…forever war! "Ukraine got stronger today." LOL

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Well it didn't help that we had a bigoted 'progressive' Democrat in office as POTUS at the end of WW1, when Europe was exhausted, and as well when WW2 started, trying to play it neutral/look the other way with the nazi's and their fans running big industrial American companies (like Ford), looking to profit off the conflict.

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The US "played it neutral" because there were plenty of pacifists and Nazi sympathizers pushing the exact same crap you do today: "It's not our conflict, and we shouldn't get involved one way or the other. Just let Hitler and Germany have what they want because peace and servitude is better than bloodshed and freedom." We can (almost) all see in hindsight that they were a bunch of suckers doing exactly what Hitler and the Nazis wanted, which was keeping US public opinion divided and the US or of the war effort at much as possible for as long as possible. Crazy how Russia doesn't try to do that today with their sympathizers...

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Monetarily and politically supporting the nazi's trying to seize borders vs. Russians beyond what they control is an interesting parallel, I will give you that. I look forward to this year's Banderite parades/celebrations, as I am sure you do.

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You keep doing everything you can to excuse and justify all of the rape, murder, and pillaging done by Russia, comrade. You're doing an excellent job.

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Likewise, you've done a great job excusing any culpability of all actors other than Vladimir Putin, as a proximate cause/contributing factor in the destruction of the people of Ukraine and as well 300K deaths on the battlefield and starvation/inflation/hunger the war has created.

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Correct. As he's the only one who decided to launch an unprovoked invasion, no matter how many pretzels you have to twist yourself into in your strange desire to justify it.

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Similarly, kudo's to your patriotic confidence in the team of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Samantha Power, Victoria Nuland, Tony Blinken, Gen. Milley, Jake Sullivan, and John F Kerry (who served in Vietnam, btw) to lead us into a war with Russia and maybe China next.

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This is what I'm talking about. You can distrust our leadership and still support a just war at the same time. Maybe Ukraine doesn't want to be a Belorussian puppet. Maybe the country wants to be more Europe and less Russia.

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Maybe. But we'll never know if that was true or not. Because it is a totally un-free country. Without a free press, religion, people forced into service, closed borders, subject to foreign powers influence entirely.

But some disagree and think it's worth throwing a trillion dollars at. I know. I've been told repeatedly how honorable the Biden-Zelensky cause is. Weirdly, I don't believe in the narrative, no matter how condescendingly stupid it is.

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It's a real ****ing battle taking place and thousands and thousands of dads, brothers, and friends are being killed. Look at which side is attacking soft targets and which one is targeting the other military.

Ignore the fact that one country invaded another if you want, but after the fight started you have to consider the "targets". Russia is 100% the bully here. Attacking apartments and schools isn't a fair fight.

There is evil in this world and I think defending Ukraine is a just fight.

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Well it didn't help that we had a bigoted 'progressive' Democrat in office as POTUS at the end of WW1, when Europe was exhausted, and as well when WW2 started, trying to play it neutral/look the other way with the nazi's and their fans running big industrial American companies (like Ford), looking to profit off the conflict.

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The US "played it neutral" because there were plenty of pacifists and Nazi sympathizers pushing the exact same crap you do today: "It's not our conflict, and we shouldn't get involved one way or the other. Just let Hitler and Germany have what they want because peace and servitude is better than bloodshed and freedom." We can (almost) all see in hindsight that they were a bunch of suckers doing exactly what Hitler and the Nazis wanted, which was keeping US public opinion divided and the US or of the war effort at much as possible for as long as possible. Crazy how Russia doesn't try to do that today with their sympathizers...

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Monetarily and politically supporting the nazi's trying to seize borders vs. Russians beyond what they control is an interesting parallel, I will give you that. I look forward to this year's Banderite parades/celebrations, as I am sure you do.

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You keep doing everything you can to excuse and justify all of the rape, murder, and pillaging done by Russia, comrade. You're doing an excellent job.

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Likewise, you've done a great job excusing any culpability of all actors other than Vladimir Putin, as a proximate cause/contributing factor in the destruction of the people of Ukraine and as well 300K deaths on the battlefield and starvation/inflation/hunger the war has created.

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Correct. As he's the only one who decided to launch an unprovoked invasion, no matter how many pretzels you have to twist yourself into in your strange desire to justify it.

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Similarly, kudo's to your patriotic confidence in the team of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Samantha Power, Victoria Nuland, Tony Blinken, Gen. Milley, Jake Sullivan, and John F Kerry (who served in Vietnam, btw) to lead us into a war with Russia and maybe China next.

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This is what I'm talking about. You can distrust our leadership and still support a just war at the same time. Maybe Ukraine doesn't want to be a Belorussian puppet. Maybe the country wants to be more Europe and less Russia.

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Maybe. But we'll never know if that was true or not. Because it is a totally un-free country. Without a free press, religion, people forced into service, closed borders, subject to foreign powers influence entirely.

But some disagree and think it's worth throwing a trillion dollars at. I know. I've been told repeatedly how honorable the Biden-Zelensky cause is. Weirdly, I don't believe in the narrative, no matter how condescendingly stupid it is.

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It's a real ****ing battle taking place and thousands and thousands of dads, brothers, and friends are being killed. Look at which side is attacking soft targets and which one is targeting the other military.

Ignore the fact that one country invaded another if you want, but after the fight started you have to consider the "targets". Russia is 100% the bully here. Attacking apartments and schools isn't a fair fight.

There is evil in this world and I think defending Ukraine is a just fight.

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Yeah, about that.

Nothing ever changes … pic.twitter.com/OHGOO8wAaZ

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) July 14, 2023

Love the 'good nazi' symbol on the vehicle, to boot.

Russia is our enemy. What is bad for them is good for us. Same with the chicomms, norks, and mullahs in tehran. Those guys are all working together to weaken and eventually dismantle the U.S.

Ukraine's flaws are no different than any other proxy we had during the cold war. Hell, they are probably among the better ones we have had used against our enemies.

The cold war never ended folks. Everyone just agreed they liked making money.

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Russia is our enemy. What is bad for them is good for us. Same with the chicomms, norks, and mullahs in tehran. Those guys are all working together to weaken and eventually dismantle the U.S.

Ukraine's flaws are no different than any other proxy we had during the cold war. Hell, they are probably among the better ones we have had used against our enemies.

The cold war never ended folks. Everyone just agreed they liked making money.

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Ukraine has flaws? WTF, are you a commie?

China Joe Xiden does whatever the CCP orders. I feel bad for the poor actual Ukrainians.

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So bad in fact, you'd like to see them all become Russian citizens.

Maybe we should give Russia both Poland and Lithuania because not doing so could cause World War III. That'll stop their imperial ambitions, surely.

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Well it didn't help that we had a bigoted 'progressive' Democrat in office as POTUS at the end of WW1, when Europe was exhausted, and as well when WW2 started, trying to play it neutral/look the other way with the nazi's and their fans running big industrial American companies (like Ford), looking to profit off the conflict.

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The US "played it neutral" because there were plenty of pacifists and Nazi sympathizers pushing the exact same crap you do today: "It's not our conflict, and we shouldn't get involved one way or the other. Just let Hitler and Germany have what they want because peace and servitude is better than bloodshed and freedom." We can (almost) all see in hindsight that they were a bunch of suckers doing exactly what Hitler and the Nazis wanted, which was keeping US public opinion divided and the US or of the war effort at much as possible for as long as possible. Crazy how Russia doesn't try to do that today with their sympathizers...

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You know there is an extremely valid argument that the uke fanboys are unknowing shills for the wef/biden/military industrial complex and we are being played.

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You know there is an extremely valid argument that the uke fanboys are unknowing shills for the wef/biden/military industrial complex and we are being played.

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There absolutely is. However, again, that doesn't mean one has to prop up Russian propaganda and make arguments in favor of their occupation and actions. The two can and should be mutually exclusive arguments.

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Russia is our enemy. What is bad for them is good for us. Same with the chicomms, norks, and mullahs in tehran. Those guys are all working together to weaken and eventually dismantle the U.S.

Ukraine's flaws are no different than any other proxy we had during the cold war. Hell, they are probably among the better ones we have had used against our enemies.

The cold war never ended folks. Everyone just agreed they liked making money.

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Ukraine has flaws? WTF, are you a commie?

China Joe Xiden does whatever the CCP orders. I feel bad for the poor actual Ukrainians.

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The chicomms are rooting for the ruskies and helping supply them covertly. They are using all the data, so they don't make the same mistakes with Tawain.

If you think the chicomms support Ukraine, you are nuts. The chicomms and russia are in lockstep on this. The chicomms are just acting sly about it to hedge their bets.

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Third World War movies need a new boogeyman. I ain't buying the big bad Russian military anymore after the performance of the last couple years.

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What I am seeing is modern weaponry is rendering mass formations of men and equipment obsolete on both sides of this conflict. Atrocities aside the gloves haven't completely come off and this is a stalemate. It has become apparent that inexpensive weapons can take out extremely expensive equipment and alot of men with great effectiveness.

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Russia is our enemy. What is bad for them is good for us. Same with the chicomms, norks, and mullahs in tehran. Those guys are all working together to weaken and eventually dismantle the U.S.

Ukraine's flaws are no different than any other proxy we had during the cold war. Hell, they are probably among the better ones we have had used against our enemies.

The cold war never ended folks. Everyone just agreed they liked making money.

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Ukraine has flaws? WTF, are you a commie?

China Joe Xiden does whatever the CCP orders. I feel bad for the poor actual Ukrainians.

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The chicomms are rooting for the ruskies and helping supply them covertly. They are using all the data, so they don't make the same mistakes with Tawain.

If you think the chicomms support Ukraine, you are nuts. The chicomms and russia are in lockstep on this. The chicomms are just acting sly about it to hedge their bets.

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It's a longer narrative than below/I'll type out here, but the 30 second thumbnail is that the CCP is tremendously pleased at the destabilization of Europe (starting with energy disruption last year), and depletion of our military reserves in this conflict. Their proxies are also positioned to clean up in Ukraine in the 'trillion dollar reconstruction' phase including ludicrous green energy concepts/blackrock etc.

Essentially, part of the challenge the fanboys don't understand/comprehend is that Putin/Zelensky/Xi/Xiden don't care about the cannon fodder used on either side. The inflation/supply chain/BRICS outcomes have all heavily benefited the CCP, and the actual land/ownership/control of some part of the Donbas is to them utterly irrelevant.

The media experiment otherwise is just a further test of what was done in Covid to them; propaganda to fuel their 'cheerleaders' on either side being about rockets/drones/tank videos etc. instead of booster shots/wearing a mask yada yada yada. The appeals to nationalism/pride/militarism etc. are just devices. Note, for instance, the urgent need to censor 1st amendment speech online as argued in Missouri v. Biden.

And all of that is 100% the fault of the Russian Federation. There is no other blame to lie anywhere else.

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Ok. Accepting arguendo all of that, why does operation Atlantic Resolve warrant an IRR call up/authorization?

Further, why would anyone (per your line of thought) trust that US forces are being deployed primarily in American national security interests as determined by an American executive (Biden) today?

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Simple observation/answer from the outside is retention and recruiting issues.

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The secretary of the army disclaiming multi generation families in service last week belies that assertion.

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That cetainly doesn't help retention and COVID shot recruitment or get chaptered out didn't help either.

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How bad is the recruiting crisis? During the last fiscal year, the Army missed its recruiting goal by 15,000 active-duty soldiers, or 25 percent of its target. This shortfall forced the Army to cut its planned active-duty end strength from 476,000 to 466,000. And the current fiscal year is likely to be even worse. Army officials project that active end strength could shrink by as much as 20,000 soldiers by September, down to 445,000. That means that the nation's primary land force could plummet by as much as 7 percent in only two years at a time when its missions are increasing in Europe and even in the Pacific, where the Army provides many of the critical wartime theater enablers without which the other services cannot function.

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The military isn't special here. Boomers and elder Gen-xers have retired/are retiring in droves, there are only so many young people, unemployment is low and most every business is battling all the others to attract and retain people. Every business is asking their employees to do the work of two people and asking their customers for patience because "we're understaffed" but they've been just as understaffed for years now. Also why we're on the precipice of the biggest organized labor movement since WW2.

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And all of that is 100% the fault of the Russian Federation. There is no other blame to lie anywhere else.

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When you say this no one takes you seriously. Biden and his buddies have alot to gain from tearing up Ukraine, just ask a certain Ukrainian prosecutor.

You mean none of the pro-russian posters take me seriously, which I'm fine with. And there's nothing to gain if Russia doesn't invade a sovereign nation in a pure land grab.

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And all of that is 100% the fault of the Russian Federation. There is no other blame to lie anywhere else.

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When you say this no one takes you seriously. Biden and his buddies have alot to gain from tearing up Ukraine, just ask a certain Ukrainian prosecutor.

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So you're saying that Joe Biden had Vladimir Putin invade Ukraine? And you want to talk about people not being taken seriously?

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And all of that is 100% the fault of the Russian Federation. There is no other blame to lie anywhere else.

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When you say this no one takes you seriously. Biden and his buddies have alot to gain from tearing up Ukraine, just ask a certain Ukrainian prosecutor.

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So you're saying that Joe Biden had Vladimir Putin invade Ukraine? And you want to talk about people not being taken seriously?

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Biden all but dared him to do it. Remember, Burisma's paymasters were overwhelmingly Russians.

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And all of that is 100% the fault of the Russian Federation. There is no other blame to lie anywhere else.

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When you say this no one takes you seriously. Biden and his buddies have alot to gain from tearing up Ukraine, just ask a certain Ukrainian prosecutor.

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So you're saying that Joe Biden had Vladimir Putin invade Ukraine? And you want to talk about people not being taken seriously?

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Biden all but dared him to do it. Remember, Burisma's paymasters were overwhelmingly Russians.

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Wait, wait, wait...

So now the RUSSIANS were responsible for Ukrainian corruption and worked behind the scenes to start a war in Ukraine through Burisma? You've been saying for MONTHS that it was the US and NATO's hubris of daring to deal with Ukraine as a sovereign nation, but now you're saying it was the Russians who got Hunter to get Joe to destabilize the Ukrainian government so they could invade Crimea and start a war?

Which one is it? I can't keep up anymore...

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And all of that is 100% the fault of the Russian Federation. There is no other blame to lie anywhere else.

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When you say this no one takes you seriously. Biden and his buddies have alot to gain from tearing up Ukraine, just ask a certain Ukrainian prosecutor.

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So you're saying that Joe Biden had Vladimir Putin invade Ukraine? And you want to talk about people not being taken seriously?

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Biden all but dared him to do it. Remember, Burisma's paymasters were overwhelmingly Russians.

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Wait, wait, wait...

So now the RUSSIANS were responsible for Ukrainian corruption and worked behind the scenes to start a war in Ukraine through Burisma? You've been saying for MONTHS that it was the US and NATO's hubris of daring to deal with Ukraine as a sovereign nation, but now you're saying it was the Russians who got Hunter to get Joe to destabilize the Ukrainian government so they could invade Crimea and start a war?

Which one is it? I can't keep up anymore...

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That's because you insist on mischaracterizing what I have said repeatedly. Note where Maria Baturina lives, for instance (and where her money comes from). This is not "Team red vs. Team Blue." See my post from 8:26 if you want, or don't, whatever. Heck, look at the history Biden's been involved with payments from Russia/Ukraine/China etc.

Anyone who thinks our commander in chief is looking out for American interests is just willfully blind at this point, and he's not wedded to some romantic notion of Ukrainian independence/freedom, either. This is akin to explaining that paper masks don't have a benefit/statistical impact to stopping the spread of upper respiratory viruses at this point, to a 'true believer.'

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And all of that is 100% the fault of the Russian Federation. There is no other blame to lie anywhere else.

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When you say this no one takes you seriously. Biden and his buddies have alot to gain from tearing up Ukraine, just ask a certain Ukrainian prosecutor.

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So you're saying that Joe Biden had Vladimir Putin invade Ukraine? And you want to talk about people not being taken seriously?

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Are you saying Russia invaded Ukraine, a country containing the historic capital of Russia from the 800's to the 1200's, in a vacumn?
Our government has very dirty hands concerning this region. The only good that has come out of this is that everyone now knows the Russian military is a joke and the world knows Putin is a madman.
The fact remains Russia has enough nukes to possibly end life on earth. And we have a pudding eating idiot being controlled by who knows opposing a madman and a bunch of Uke fanboys saying give me more!

Putin isn't planning to stop at Ukraine. Putin must be stopped.

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Putin isn't planning to stop at Ukraine. Putin must be stopped.

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What would be his next move upon defeating Ukraine?

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Putin isn't planning to stop at Ukraine. Putin must be stopped.

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What would be his next move upon defeating Ukraine?

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Yes.....do tell.

DTP02 said:

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Third World War movies need a new boogeyman. I ain't buying the big bad Russian military anymore after the performance of the last couple years.

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How about...

The DUTCH???

BonfireNerd04 said:

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LMCane said:

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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WW2: Started because Germany saw Poland as an obstacle to accessing its East Prussian exclave.

WW3: Might start because Russia sees Poland as an obstacle to accessing its East Prussian exclave (which they took from Germany at the end of WW2).

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really?

you are trying to claim to educated adults on here-

that World War II started just because Hitler and the Nazis were annoyed over East Prussia?!?!

try again.

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I'm not claiming that the Polish Corridor was Hitler's only territorial demand, but it's where the shooting started.

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Well, they did take over the Sudetenland with the THREAT of war, but were able to convince the powers that be that just giving it to Germany was preferable.

If only Ukraine had just agreed to cede all of its territory to Russia prior to this, we could have had peace in our time, like back then.

nortex97 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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nortex97 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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nortex97 said:

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Well it didn't help that we had a bigoted 'progressive' Democrat in office as POTUS at the end of WW1, when Europe was exhausted, and as well when WW2 started, trying to play it neutral/look the other way with the nazi's and their fans running big industrial American companies (like Ford), looking to profit off the conflict.

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The US "played it neutral" because there were plenty of pacifists and Nazi sympathizers pushing the exact same crap you do today: "It's not our conflict, and we shouldn't get involved one way or the other. Just let Hitler and Germany have what they want because peace and servitude is better than bloodshed and freedom." We can (almost) all see in hindsight that they were a bunch of suckers doing exactly what Hitler and the Nazis wanted, which was keeping US public opinion divided and the US or of the war effort at much as possible for as long as possible. Crazy how Russia doesn't try to do that today with their sympathizers...

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Monetarily and politically supporting the nazi's trying to seize borders vs. Russians beyond what they control is an interesting parallel, I will give you that. I look forward to this year's Banderite parades/celebrations, as I am sure you do.

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You keep doing everything you can to excuse and justify all of the rape, murder, and pillaging done by Russia, comrade. You're doing an excellent job.

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Likewise, you've done a great job excusing any culpability of all actors other than Vladimir Putin, as a proximate cause/contributing factor in the destruction of the people of Ukraine and as well 300K deaths on the battlefield and starvation/inflation/hunger the war has created.

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Putin and Russia are 100% to blame for "the destruction of the people of Ukraine and as well 300K deaths on the battlefield and starvation/inflation/hunger the war has created."

Russia doesn't invade and NONE OF THAT OCCURS.

Cool. Its ur position that an invading country is 100% responsible for the destruction and death that follows. And its more morally wrong if they weren't attacked first. And the onus is on the invading country to wake the hell up and leave post haste.

Now do the destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq, 350k dead civilians and the creation of ISIS and say the same thing about the US.........Go on....say the line