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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

Mine was in 2021. Constant running to the can to explode.

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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

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Not to mention it requires the healthcare system to deal with a far broader variety of medical issues as opposed to homogenous countries that are largely dealing with similar genetic predispositions.

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People can't be "illegal" preacher.

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You should write Oxford and inform them:

noun
a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living.
"an illegal alien"




The stuff you post is just unbelievably absurd.

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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

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So again, what metric would you use? B/c part of health care imo is educating and promoting a lifestyle of longevity. It's easy to dismiss all the other metrics that put the US well below other nations by saying we are heterogeneous or have more McDonald's franchises.

What would be your metric?

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Mine was in 2021. Constant running to the can to explode.

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This seems like a scarring experience for you.

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Mine was in 2021. Constant running to the can to explode.

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I agree prep is not fun. I think now you can pay for basically a colon cleanse before the procedure, but it's much more cost effective to just suffer for a day.

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People can't be "illegal" preacher.

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You should write Oxford and inform them:

noun
a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living.
"an illegal alien"




The stuff you post is just unbelievably absurd.

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Damn, I'm actually surprised "illegal alien" is still in the dictionary and hasn't been removed as hate speech.

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Yeah but at least in one of those choices you get your needed stitches then you don't pay the remainder of the bill until the bill collector calls and settles for $67.

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You should write Oxford and inform them:

noun
a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living.
"an illegal alien"




The stuff you post is just unbelievably absurd.

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The only thing absurd is a preacher calling someone an "illegal"

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Mine was in 2021. Constant running to the can to explode.

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This seems like a scarring experience for you.

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LOL, no.

Just not fun getting very little sleep and being hungry as hell.

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Yeah but at least in one of those choices you get your needed stitches then you don't pay the remainder of the bill until the bill collector calls and settles for $67.

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You saying you can't get stitched up in England or any other European country? It seems like it would be a dangerous endeavor to travel there if that's the case.

Is Manhattan the old poster DE88? That would explain a lot.

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People can't be "illegal" preacher.

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You should write Oxford and inform them:

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a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living.
"an illegal alien"




The stuff you post is just unbelievably absurd.

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The only thing absurd is a preacher calling someone an "illegal"

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People use the term "illegal" to describe those who break the law. Why would you refer to them as simply "undocumented" if they were here illegally? They are supposed to be documented and go through the proper channels. They're also exploiting our schools, hospitals, etc by being here illegally. This is part of the "health care" problem we are discussing. You and I have to pay their ER bills.

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You should write Oxford and inform them:

noun
a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living.
"an illegal alien"




The stuff you post is just unbelievably absurd.

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The only thing absurd is a preacher calling someone an "illegal"

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Do you need to go back to elementary school to learn the difference between an adjective and a noun? Why don't you stick to what you're good at, namely posting complete nonsense about the topic at hand.

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aggierogue said:

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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

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So again, what metric would you use? B/c part of health care imo is educating and promoting a lifestyle of longevity. It's easy to dismiss all the other metrics that put the US well below other nations by saying we are heterogeneous or have more McDonald's franchises.

What would be your metric?

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How about this? Would you rather go to the hospital due to a heart attack in the US, UK, or Canada?

I will always pick the US where I will get treated. In the UK or Canada, I'd be put on a gurney, wheeled into a corner, and the DRs would wait for me to die.

Anyone who answers with UK or Canada is either an idiot or a liar.

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We spend ~229% of what they do on healthcare and they have better results on a macro level so wtf are we doing?

Their socialized system plus more private options for people that want to pay more is probably the way to go.

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Healthcare isn't a right. And I'm not paying for the best result at a macro level. I'm paying for the best result on a micro level, as in me and my family.

Where do your think medical advances and new techniques come from( It's not the bottom of the barrel docs on the government teet, it's the private industry guys that bust their asses for many many years, to be the best in their class, the tops in their field so they can make a lot of money from people like me.

And for those white nationalists around here a significant portion of those best docs are Indians and Asians. So make sure when you need a specialist to save your life or treat your cancer that you limit yourselves to lilly white Christians. I'd hate for some "lesser brown or yellow American" to save your life, much better to die with your principles.

aggierogue said:

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aggierogue said:

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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

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So again, what metric would you use? B/c part of health care imo is educating and promoting a lifestyle of longevity. It's easy to dismiss all the other metrics that put the US well below other nations by saying we are heterogeneous or have more McDonald's franchises.

What would be your metric?

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Tough question. Whatever the answer you would have to normalize the hell out of it because of all the reasons that have been shared here. Disparate cultures, ethnicities, bias towards acute care, health gaslighting, etc. From a healthcare treatment standpoint, none of these are a strength and complicate our system.

Edit: being the best in the world at acute care is a strength. Point was more that we need a balance between acute and preventative.

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Is Manhattan the old poster DE88? That would explain a lot.

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No, he's Lot Y.

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Is Manhattan the old poster DE88? That would explain a lot.

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No, he's Lot Y.

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What's the difference?

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aggierogue said:

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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

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So again, what metric would you use? B/c part of health care imo is educating and promoting a lifestyle of longevity. It's easy to dismiss all the other metrics that put the US well below other nations by saying we are heterogeneous or have more McDonald's franchises.

What would be your metric?

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How about this? Would you rather go to the hospital due to a heart attack in the US, UK, or Canada?

I will always pick the US where I will get treated. In the UK or Canada, I'd be put on a gurney, wheeled into a corner, and the DRs would wait for me to die.

Anyone who answers with UK or Canada is either an idiot or a liar.

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Is it really that simple?
Heart attack mortality rate higher in the US compared to other high-income countries

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Source:University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
Summary:When it comes to treating heart attacks, U.S. hospitals may have the latest tech and low readmission rates, but the country's mortality rate is one of the highest among the nations included in a new study. The study found substantial differences in care for heart attack patients across six high income countries despite international agreement on how heart attacks should be treated.

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My functional doctor took so much blood I suggested she might be a clinical vampire. Their screen added a host of things even Cooper didn't look at.

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Similar experience and interesting story. I went to Ways2Well to have comprehensive bloodwork done for preventative maintenance. I basically wanted to check hormones, PSA, vitamin levels, renal/kidney, etc to see what my levels looked like. They do a full workup with 6 viles of blood drawn. I had also set up a visit for an annual physical with my GP. When my GP asked that I have bloodwork done, I told them that I had already ordered it from W2W. I saw my GP the day before my scheduled follow-up with W2W. I waited 40 minutes before urine sample. My GP took my blood pressure, looked at my bloodwork, and asked me if there was anything else I wanted from them. I asked for calcium scan as I'd never had one. Then I was on my way. I spent maybe 10 minutes talking to the doctor.

The next day I had a one-hour consultation with W2W where they went over every blood marker from the panel and guided me through supplements (that I could order on my own through Amazon or local pharmacy). They also gave guidance on some dietary changes they wanted me to make. Unlike my GP, they discussed my cholesterol being outside optimal ranges and some ways I could optimize hormones (total testosterone, free, estradiol, SHBG, DHEA, among others) as some were also slightly higher or lower than optimal ranges.

This is the difference between the standard GP experience and a more holistic one.

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Same experience. I would recommend everyone go do this and it's not that expensive. I think I paid ~$500 out of pocket for screenings I've never heard about or seen in my 50 years. If anything, it's great peace of mind.

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I paid $500 OOP. I just need to have a colonoscopy done (they are recommending at 40 now!) as I am nearly 50, but I will likely hold off until next summer.

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Did mine last year. Easiest health procedure ever. Wish they were all that easy.

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I am getting one shortly, but I'm in my 30s and it's for cause because of symptoms. I'm terrified, dreading it, and my anxiety is the highest in my life.

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Sorry to hear that. What I can tell you is that procedure itself is a cake walk. You show up, go to sleep, wake up, and go home.

If that helps at all. I get your anxiety though.

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I agree that the procedure is simple, but the prep is an all night, pot sitting, diarrhea fountain that you can't turn off.

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Not anymore based on my experience. The prep was no big deal and I did not have this issue. I think I benefited from the new stuff they give you now though.

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I thank y'all for the responses on the prep and procedure these days. It matches what I've been hearing from acquaintances. I should have said that my anxiety is all on the diagnosis that follows. It's anything ranging from IBD and Chron's disease to colon cancer. Everything but the cancer just requires lifestyle changes.

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aggierogue said:

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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

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So again, what metric would you use? B/c part of health care imo is educating and promoting a lifestyle of longevity. It's easy to dismiss all the other metrics that put the US well below other nations by saying we are heterogeneous or have more McDonald's franchises.

What would be your metric?

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Tough question. Whatever the answer you would have to normalize the hell out of it because of all the reasons that have been shared here. Disparate cultures, ethnicities, bias towards acute care, health gaslighting, etc. From a healthcare treatment standpoint, none of these are a strength and complicate our system.

Edit: being the best in the world at acute care is a strength. Point was more that we need a balance between acute and preventative.

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Again, we agree.

We do a lot of things well. But my health insurance needs to cover care from functional medicine. That's a big issue for me. Oftentimes, I find the holistic care for a functional medicine practice far more valuable than my GP. But if I had a heart attack, I am all about the acute care.

aggierogue said:

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aggierogue said:

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aggierogue said:

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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

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So again, what metric would you use? B/c part of health care imo is educating and promoting a lifestyle of longevity. It's easy to dismiss all the other metrics that put the US well below other nations by saying we are heterogeneous or have more McDonald's franchises.

What would be your metric?

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Tough question. Whatever the answer you would have to normalize the hell out of it because of all the reasons that have been shared here. Disparate cultures, ethnicities, bias towards acute care, health gaslighting, etc. From a healthcare treatment standpoint, none of these are a strength and complicate our system.

Edit: being the best in the world at acute care is a strength. Point was more that we need a balance between acute and preventative.

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Again, we agree.

We do a lot of things well. But my health insurance needs to cover care from functional medicine. That's a big issue for me. Oftentimes, I find the holistic care for a functional medicine practice far more valuable than my GP. But if I had a heart attack, I am all about the acute care.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't functional and holistic medicine basically witch doctor stuff?

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Manhattan said:

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We spend ~229% of what they do on healthcare and they have better results on a macro level so wtf are we doing?

Their socialized system plus more private options for people that want to pay more is probably the way to go.

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Healthcare isn't a right. And I'm not paying for the best result at a macro level. I'm paying for the best result on a micro level, as in me and my family.

Where do your think medical advances and new techniques come from( It's not the bottom of the barrel docs on the government teet, it's the private industry guys that bust their asses for many many years, to be the best in their class, the tops in their field so they can make a lot of money from people like me.

And for those white nationalists around here a significant portion of those best docs are Indians and Asians. So make sure when you need a specialist to save your life or treat your cancer that you limit yourselves to lilly white Christians. I'd hate for some "lesser brown or yellow American" to save your life, much better to die with your principles.

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Do you believe anyone should be able to have access to healthcare? If a kid with no insurance gets hit by a car, should he or she have access to an ambulance/doctor/surgeon? What if someone has the flu? What about contagious disease?

I'm not sure where I fall on the "healthcare isn't a right" argument, but I think anyone should have some basic-level access to healthcare. What is the point of having a civilized population if some people are locked out of basic care? Maybe I'm more liberal than I thought on this issue.

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aggierogue said:

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aggierogue said:

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BTKAG97 said:

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aggierogue said:

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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

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So again, what metric would you use? B/c part of health care imo is educating and promoting a lifestyle of longevity. It's easy to dismiss all the other metrics that put the US well below other nations by saying we are heterogeneous or have more McDonald's franchises.

What would be your metric?

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Tough question. Whatever the answer you would have to normalize the hell out of it because of all the reasons that have been shared here. Disparate cultures, ethnicities, bias towards acute care, health gaslighting, etc. From a healthcare treatment standpoint, none of these are a strength and complicate our system.

Edit: being the best in the world at acute care is a strength. Point was more that we need a balance between acute and preventative.

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Again, we agree.

We do a lot of things well. But my health insurance needs to cover care from functional medicine. That's a big issue for me. Oftentimes, I find the holistic care for a functional medicine practice far more valuable than my GP. But if I had a heart attack, I am all about the acute care.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't functional and holistic medicine basically witch doctor stuff?

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No. Holistic health means they are looking at the entire body system instead of treating one aspect of your health. I gave a great example of functional medicine with W2W in this thread. Far more comprehensive than a regular GP visit.

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We spend ~229% of what they do on healthcare and they have better results on a macro level so wtf are we doing?

Their socialized system plus more private options for people that want to pay more is probably the way to go.

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Healthcare isn't a right. And I'm not paying for the best result at a macro level. I'm paying for the best result on a micro level, as in me and my family.

Where do your think medical advances and new techniques come from( It's not the bottom of the barrel docs on the government teet, it's the private industry guys that bust their asses for many many years, to be the best in their class, the tops in their field so they can make a lot of money from people like me.

And for those white nationalists around here a significant portion of those best docs are Indians and Asians. So make sure when you need a specialist to save your life or treat your cancer that you limit yourselves to lilly white Christians. I'd hate for some "lesser brown or yellow American" to save your life, much better to die with your principles.

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Do you believe anyone should be able to have access to healthcare? If a kid with no insurance gets hit by a car, should he or she have access to an ambulance/doctor/surgeon? What if someone has the flu? What about contagious disease?

I'm not sure where I fall on the "healthcare isn't a right" argument, but I think anyone should have some basic-level access to healthcare. What is the point of having a civilized population if some people are locked out of basic care? Maybe I'm more liberal than I thought on this issue.

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It's not a right if someone else has to pay for it.

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BTKAG97 said:

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aggierogue said:

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aggierogue said:

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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

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So again, what metric would you use? B/c part of health care imo is educating and promoting a lifestyle of longevity. It's easy to dismiss all the other metrics that put the US well below other nations by saying we are heterogeneous or have more McDonald's franchises.

What would be your metric?

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How about this? Would you rather go to the hospital due to a heart attack in the US, UK, or Canada?

I will always pick the US where I will get treated. In the UK or Canada, I'd be put on a gurney, wheeled into a corner, and the DRs would wait for me to die.

Anyone who answers with UK or Canada is either an idiot or a liar.

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Is it really that simple?
Heart attack mortality rate higher in the US compared to other high-income countries

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Source:University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
Summary:When it comes to treating heart attacks, U.S. hospitals may have the latest tech and low readmission rates, but the country's mortality rate is one of the highest among the nations included in a new study. The study found substantial differences in care for heart attack patients across six high income countries despite international agreement on how heart attacks should be treated.

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You missed this part:

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What accounts for the higher mortality rate after one year for heart attack patients in the United States and Taiwan is not clear.

"What is happening to our patients who have had heart attacks after they leave the hospital?" Cram said. "Is it gaps in wealth? Is it obesity rates? Is it people not taking recommended medications? We don't know."
But the questions point to where more research is needed.

"From a U.S. perspective, our heart attack care is good, but the one-year mortality rate is concerning," Cram said. "If dying is one of the things we want to prevent, then we have work to do."

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This study is in regards to mortality rates within 1 year after a heart attack and not the actual care provided by the health institution (hospital). Again, it is reasonable to believe a major difference in mortality rates is due to the ethnic diversity of the US as compared to the other countries that were included in the study.

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The countries they compared were the United States, Canada, England, Netherlands, Israel and Taiwan

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Socialized healthcare looks like medicaid for everyone in the short term and the VA for everyone in the medium term and privatized healthcare in the long term because the first two results are terrible.

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We spend ~229% of what they do on healthcare and they have better results on a macro level so wtf are we doing?

Their socialized system plus more private options for people that want to pay more is probably the way to go.

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Healthcare isn't a right. And I'm not paying for the best result at a macro level. I'm paying for the best result on a micro level, as in me and my family.

Where do your think medical advances and new techniques come from( It's not the bottom of the barrel docs on the government teet, it's the private industry guys that bust their asses for many many years, to be the best in their class, the tops in their field so they can make a lot of money from people like me.

And for those white nationalists around here a significant portion of those best docs are Indians and Asians. So make sure when you need a specialist to save your life or treat your cancer that you limit yourselves to lilly white Christians. I'd hate for some "lesser brown or yellow American" to save your life, much better to die with your principles.

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Do you believe anyone should be able to have access to healthcare? If a kid with no insurance gets hit by a car, should he or she have access to an ambulance/doctor/surgeon? What if someone has the flu? What about contagious disease?

I'm not sure where I fall on the "healthcare isn't a right" argument, but I think anyone should have some basic-level access to healthcare. What is the point of having a civilized population if some people are locked out of basic care? Maybe I'm more liberal than I thought on this issue.

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It's not a right if someone else has to pay for it.

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Like we pay for the fire department to put out our fire if needed? Like we pay for the police to help us in need? Ambulance if you have a heart attack? Public education?

We pay for a lot of "rights" that other people use even if they decide to sit home and do nothing.

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aggierogue said:

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BTKAG97 said:

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aggierogue said:

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aggierogue said:

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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

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So again, what metric would you use? B/c part of health care imo is educating and promoting a lifestyle of longevity. It's easy to dismiss all the other metrics that put the US well below other nations by saying we are heterogeneous or have more McDonald's franchises.

What would be your metric?

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How about this? Would you rather go to the hospital due to a heart attack in the US, UK, or Canada?

I will always pick the US where I will get treated. In the UK or Canada, I'd be put on a gurney, wheeled into a corner, and the DRs would wait for me to die.

Anyone who answers with UK or Canada is either an idiot or a liar.

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Is it really that simple?
Heart attack mortality rate higher in the US compared to other high-income countries

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Source:University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
Summary:When it comes to treating heart attacks, U.S. hospitals may have the latest tech and low readmission rates, but the country's mortality rate is one of the highest among the nations included in a new study. The study found substantial differences in care for heart attack patients across six high income countries despite international agreement on how heart attacks should be treated.

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You missed this part:

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What accounts for the higher mortality rate after one year for heart attack patients in the United States and Taiwan is not clear.

"What is happening to our patients who have had heart attacks after they leave the hospital?" Cram said. "Is it gaps in wealth? Is it obesity rates? Is it people not taking recommended medications? We don't know."
But the questions point to where more research is needed.

"From a U.S. perspective, our heart attack care is good, but the one-year mortality rate is concerning," Cram said. "If dying is one of the things we want to prevent, then we have work to do."

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This study is in regards to mortality rates within 1 year after a heart attack and not the actual care provided by the health institution (hospital). Again, it is reasonable to believe a major difference in mortality rates is due to the ethnic diversity of the US as compared to the other countries that were included in the study.

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The countries they compared were the United States, Canada, England, Netherlands, Israel and Taiwan

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No, I read the entire passage. My point was that it doesn't seem to be as clear as you initially suggested. And what about Israel which fared well across the board?

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By what metric? Every study that makes this claim is based on a metric that has nothing to do with medical procedures and are almost always based on individual personal health choices therefore this statement is completely false.

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What metric would you use? Life expectancy in the US falls below over 50 other countries in the world and many of which have socialized medicine.

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Life expectancy has more to do with personal health choices and not medical care. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is also the most heterogeneous county in the world which also makes this a poor metric to use since there are large differences in life expectancy across ethnic groups.

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So again, what metric would you use? B/c part of health care imo is educating and promoting a lifestyle of longevity. It's easy to dismiss all the other metrics that put the US well below other nations by saying we are heterogeneous or have more McDonald's franchises.

What would be your metric?

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Tough question. Whatever the answer you would have to normalize the hell out of it because of all the reasons that have been shared here. Disparate cultures, ethnicities, bias towards acute care, health gaslighting, etc. From a healthcare treatment standpoint, none of these are a strength and complicate our system.

Edit: being the best in the world at acute care is a strength. Point was more that we need a balance between acute and preventative.

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Again, we agree.

We do a lot of things well. But my health insurance needs to cover care from functional medicine. That's a big issue for me. Oftentimes, I find the holistic care for a functional medicine practice far more valuable than my GP. But if I had a heart attack, I am all about the acute care.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't functional and holistic medicine basically witch doctor stuff?

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Absolutely not. Still MD's or DO's. They just focus on lifestyle, diet, and exercise. They will still prescribe pharma, if you need it, but their primary focus is on addressing issues through lifestyle changes. And they will spend actual time with you to discuss your health history and diet and get really in the weeds with you on your day to day.

They are really GP's doing what GP's should be doing. It's just that our mainline system has gotten so out of whack because of insurance and other factors that we've lost sight of what a GP should be doing.

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No, I read the entire passage. My point was that it doesn't seem to be as clear as you initially suggested. And what about Israel which fared well across the board?

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It's 100% clear.

Was the diagnoses correct?

Was the treatment successful?

Did I not die during the treatment?

That's it. Nothing else needs to be asked.

ADDED: Again, I'd much rather be treated in a US hospital over one in Canada or the UK. Those are the 2 countries that every leftist idiot wants to emulate therefore that's why I only am focusing on those 2 countries.

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We spend ~229% of what they do on healthcare and they have better results on a macro level so wtf are we doing?

Their socialized system plus more private options for people that want to pay more is probably the way to go.

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Healthcare isn't a right. And I'm not paying for the best result at a macro level. I'm paying for the best result on a micro level, as in me and my family.

Where do your think medical advances and new techniques come from( It's not the bottom of the barrel docs on the government teet, it's the private industry guys that bust their asses for many many years, to be the best in their class, the tops in their field so they can make a lot of money from people like me.

And for those white nationalists around here a significant portion of those best docs are Indians and Asians. So make sure when you need a specialist to save your life or treat your cancer that you limit yourselves to lilly white Christians. I'd hate for some "lesser brown or yellow American" to save your life, much better to die with your principles.

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Do you believe anyone should be able to have access to healthcare? If a kid with no insurance gets hit by a car, should he or she have access to an ambulance/doctor/surgeon? What if someone has the flu? What about contagious disease?

I'm not sure where I fall on the "healthcare isn't a right" argument, but I think anyone should have some basic-level access to healthcare. What is the point of having a civilized population if some people are locked out of basic care? Maybe I'm more liberal than I thought on this issue.

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It's not a right if someone else has to pay for it.

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Like we pay for the fire department to put out our fire if needed? Like we pay for the police to help us in need? Ambulance if you have a heart attack? Public education?

We pay for a lot of "rights" that other people use even if they decide to sit home and do nothing.

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I shouldn't be paying for that stuff either for anyone that's not contributing.

To the folks that say American health care doesn't address underlying issues like diet, they absolutely do addresss it.

Patients don't want to hear it. They don't want to hear they are fat. They don't want to hear they eat way too much. They don't want to hear that their child is obese. By and large they make up every excuse they can as to why they and or their children are huge fat asses.