Aglaw97 said:

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Which is why I believe if it's Biden v Trump 2.0, Trump will lose by a margin that would shock some on this Board, and it has nothing to do with cheating.

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Yep, this is what a lot of us have been saying.

However, the Trumpers still believe millions upon millions, even tens of millions of voters were manufactured simply so Biden would win the meaningless popular vote. The Kraken, Dominion, etc. will be their excuse again in 2024.

The only cheating the Democrats had to do with in 6-7 counties in 5 states, GA, PA, AZ, WI, and MI. They manufactured/harvested less than 100K ballots, but that is all they needed. They probably tried in a few other counties/states as well, but came up short.

Man of the people.

Yeah, I do think there was shadiness with mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting that may have very well swung it for Biden. We'll never know and Trump wasted time and capital chasing machines and other bull**** . That said, November 2020 might as well have been 100 years ago with what happened since. He's all used up at a national level. The majority are done with him. It's over as far as actually regaining the office. He only has enough left to **** things up for the GOP

So Trump went to another place where everyone already loves him and got cheers? K. I'm sure DeSantis could get cheers as well, maybe not quite as many but he is also well liked.

DeSantis isn't doing that though. DeSantis is launching a "Mammas for DeSantis" campaign with his wife that is appealing to Suburban women, many of which voted for Biden last time. He's hitting the Dems on their weak spots on Covid policy and Trans issues. He's working to win new voters. He's also knocking on tens of thousands of doors EVERY DAY.

Which approach is going to win in November of 2024? Do you think the problem was Trump voters weren't excited enough? Or do you think the problem was reaching out to voters that were winnable with outreach?

Talk about cheating all you want but answer that question honestly first. If you really think there aren't a LOT of people that didn't vote for Trump because he gave them no reason to other than telling them they should be thankful for the economy (up until March of 2020 of course, we need to pretend the Covid stuff was all beyond his control and he HAD to turn the country over to Fauci). Have to forget about his other flaws as well when it comes to not delivering on repealing Obamacare or finishing the Wall that Mexico was going to pay for and on and on. No, Trump did some good things so all the bad must be ignored and everyone must overlook all his behavior and vote for him. If you don't maybe he can insult you more.

I'll vote for Trump if he wins but I'm not the problem. The problem is getting people that voted for Biden last time to vote for the R. It's also about making sure you have a very serious GOTV and Ballot Harvesting operation that you are spending serious money on NOW now to make that happen.

Or you can just support the guy who gets a big cheer at a UFC event AGAIN and think that THIS TIME it's different. I mean THIS TIME those people that voted for him last time are super duper excited to cheer for him again so it's in the bag. Screw all those people who didn't vote Trump last time because they suck anyway and we are going to lose because of cheating so let's have some fun cheering for Trump again on our way to oblivion.

Wake up LDP, you are smarter than this.

Will Trump hook his longtime Dem friends up for the rest of his life?

You would think Biden taking a second term would wake people up but I doubt it.

He will just claim voter fraud again and set up 2028. Yikes

So UFC events or this? Which is going to get more votes in November of '24?

Mamas across the nation and across party lines have finally found a fighter who will restore sanity, common sense, and truth to America. A fighter with a backbone who will relentlessly fight for family values, protect the innocence of children, and defend the rights of parents -… pic.twitter.com/CtUNF7YNI5

— Casey DeSantis (@CaseyDeSantis) July 8, 2023

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I know this alone does not elect the president but it sure doesn't hurt

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Didn't help in 2020, at all.

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Trump is 1-1 cause it did in 2016! It's not like he got obliterated in 2020.

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I respect your opinion, but Trump is damaged goods. If he couldn't win in 2020 after his success from 2017-2020, it ain't happening on 2024.

The media and ballot harvesting cheated him out of a second term, but too many people will never admit that, and thus, never vote for him. Too many negatives, even for many conservatives.

I'm ready to go with DeSantis and a clean slate, someone who is willing to take on the left without taking their opposition personally.

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That's all understandable and noted. But how can DeSantis win against Biden if he can't even win his primary.

DeSantis is hurting himself for 2028.

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And Trump is hurting himself for 2024, and the country for the foreseeable future.

Supporting Trump is supporting the Democrats. He isn't even conservative. He is attacking DeSantis from the left.

Never, ever complain about leftists again if you vote for Trump in this primary. You don't deserve the privilege to do so.

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aggie93 said:

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So UFC events or this? Which is going to get more votes in November of '24?

Mamas across the nation and across party lines have finally found a fighter who will restore sanity, common sense, and truth to America. A fighter with a backbone who will relentlessly fight for family values, protect the innocence of children, and defend the rights of parents -… pic.twitter.com/CtUNF7YNI5

— Casey DeSantis (@CaseyDeSantis) July 8, 2023

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the UFC crowd does not care about any of that.

They only care about "Muh nomination. It was stolen." "Trump is owed it."

as if that is how elections are supposed to work.

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Don't disagree, my point is if Trump or DeSantis is going to win in November of '24 it will be because they:
1. Got voters back who voted for Biden in '20 and
2. Had a serious and intensive GOTV and Ballot Harvesting campaign that they invested in early and often

I mean DeSantis can go on Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro's shows every day and that's great too but it isn't winning any new voters, it's just spending time with people that already are on his side.

Trump is making it clear his strategy is to do the same stuff he did before and act like a celebrity in front of groups that already love him. DeSantis is doing items 1 and 2. Thus the question for folks is do you want to win or do you want to have fun cheering on a celebrity?