Kellso said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Kellso said:

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LMCane said:

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Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health.

Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased.

The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents.

Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

So will the economic and social consequences of the lockdowns, which showed up clearly in the Paragon Health Institute comparison of states' performance. The researchers found that states with the more stringent pandemic restrictions had worse declines in economic output and higher rates of unemployment, and that children in those states lost more days of in-person schooling.

These disruptions contributed to a substantial increase in domestic migration, the Paragon researchers found, as people escaped from the more restrictive states and moved to states with less stringent policies.

The lockdowns were the most radical experiment in the history of public health, implemented without evidence that they would work. (In fact, before Covid, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and other nations' health agencies had specifically advised against lockdowns in their plans for dealing with a pandemic.)

The experiment was promoted by computer modelers who projected that 2 million Americans would die by the end of the summer in 2020 unless governments mandated lockdowns, which they estimated would reduce mortality by 80 percent or more. Both estimates turned out to be absurdly wrongand so was the modelers' assumption that government mandates were the only way to change people's behavior.

Self-Inflicted Problems from the Government Lockdowns

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You should have been running things. Im certain that you had better protocols and Pandemic experience than the experts.

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The experts failed - that's the point. They all deserved to be fired, and some to be put in jail.

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Who should we have listened to?
How often do pandemics happen?

Who would have experience in dealing with a pandemic?

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You're right. The FDA, which claimed that ivermectin is horse paste, are the ones we should have been listening to.

Kellso said:

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LMCane said:

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Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health.

Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased.

The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents.

Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

So will the economic and social consequences of the lockdowns, which showed up clearly in the Paragon Health Institute comparison of states' performance. The researchers found that states with the more stringent pandemic restrictions had worse declines in economic output and higher rates of unemployment, and that children in those states lost more days of in-person schooling.

These disruptions contributed to a substantial increase in domestic migration, the Paragon researchers found, as people escaped from the more restrictive states and moved to states with less stringent policies.

The lockdowns were the most radical experiment in the history of public health, implemented without evidence that they would work. (In fact, before Covid, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and other nations' health agencies had specifically advised against lockdowns in their plans for dealing with a pandemic.)

The experiment was promoted by computer modelers who projected that 2 million Americans would die by the end of the summer in 2020 unless governments mandated lockdowns, which they estimated would reduce mortality by 80 percent or more. Both estimates turned out to be absurdly wrongand so was the modelers' assumption that government mandates were the only way to change people's behavior.

Self-Inflicted Problems from the Government Lockdowns

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You should have been running things. Im certain that you had better protocols and Pandemic experience than the experts.

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Doing absolutely nothing would have been better. I too wish those on this board were running things.

If you go back to the original covid threads on here you had people predicting all of this during the 2-week to stop the spread honeymoon. You even had people predicting that they would hastily roll out a vaccine and it would kill a bunch of people.

Everything discussed here was known and acknowledged.

Still remember posts about people walking through their neighborhood and saying the amount of wine and liquor bottles in recycling was like after a major holiday. Beer truck drivers were saying that it was holiday weekend every week.

For the most part people stayed home, got addicted to drugs and alcohol, got fat on uber eats, had domestic violence incidents, got dumber, watched tiger king and defended into madness like Col Kurtz from Apocalypse now.

And they loved every minute of it.

Now we pay the piper.

Kellso said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Kellso said:

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LMCane said:

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Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health.

Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased.

The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents.

Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

So will the economic and social consequences of the lockdowns, which showed up clearly in the Paragon Health Institute comparison of states' performance. The researchers found that states with the more stringent pandemic restrictions had worse declines in economic output and higher rates of unemployment, and that children in those states lost more days of in-person schooling.

These disruptions contributed to a substantial increase in domestic migration, the Paragon researchers found, as people escaped from the more restrictive states and moved to states with less stringent policies.

The lockdowns were the most radical experiment in the history of public health, implemented without evidence that they would work. (In fact, before Covid, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and other nations' health agencies had specifically advised against lockdowns in their plans for dealing with a pandemic.)

The experiment was promoted by computer modelers who projected that 2 million Americans would die by the end of the summer in 2020 unless governments mandated lockdowns, which they estimated would reduce mortality by 80 percent or more. Both estimates turned out to be absurdly wrongand so was the modelers' assumption that government mandates were the only way to change people's behavior.

Self-Inflicted Problems from the Government Lockdowns

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You should have been running things. Im certain that you had better protocols and Pandemic experience than the experts.

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The experts failed - that's the point. They all deserved to be fired, and some to be put in jail.

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Who should we have listened to?
How often do pandemics happen?

Who would have experience in dealing with a pandemic?

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We should've listened to logic and reason but your over lords chose to classify it as disinformation and then ran a campaign to block it. That's 1st amendment infringement. Don't you care about rights?

Kellso said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Kellso said:

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LMCane said:

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Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health.

Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased.

The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents.

Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

So will the economic and social consequences of the lockdowns, which showed up clearly in the Paragon Health Institute comparison of states' performance. The researchers found that states with the more stringent pandemic restrictions had worse declines in economic output and higher rates of unemployment, and that children in those states lost more days of in-person schooling.

These disruptions contributed to a substantial increase in domestic migration, the Paragon researchers found, as people escaped from the more restrictive states and moved to states with less stringent policies.

The lockdowns were the most radical experiment in the history of public health, implemented without evidence that they would work. (In fact, before Covid, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and other nations' health agencies had specifically advised against lockdowns in their plans for dealing with a pandemic.)

The experiment was promoted by computer modelers who projected that 2 million Americans would die by the end of the summer in 2020 unless governments mandated lockdowns, which they estimated would reduce mortality by 80 percent or more. Both estimates turned out to be absurdly wrongand so was the modelers' assumption that government mandates were the only way to change people's behavior.

Self-Inflicted Problems from the Government Lockdowns

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You should have been running things. Im certain that you had better protocols and Pandemic experience than the experts.

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The experts failed - that's the point. They all deserved to be fired, and some to be put in jail.

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Who should we have listened to?
How often do pandemics happen?

Who would have experience in dealing with a pandemic?

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After the last pandemic, the playbook literally said to isolate vulnerable and go on with life. It specifically said not to lock down. That kind of interruption to society? It was clear as day what the negative results would bring.

The moment you realize the pandemic was co-opted to sell vaccines and get rid of Trump…

Kellso said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Kellso said:

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LMCane said:

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Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health.

Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased.

The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents.

Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

So will the economic and social consequences of the lockdowns, which showed up clearly in the Paragon Health Institute comparison of states' performance. The researchers found that states with the more stringent pandemic restrictions had worse declines in economic output and higher rates of unemployment, and that children in those states lost more days of in-person schooling.

These disruptions contributed to a substantial increase in domestic migration, the Paragon researchers found, as people escaped from the more restrictive states and moved to states with less stringent policies.

The lockdowns were the most radical experiment in the history of public health, implemented without evidence that they would work. (In fact, before Covid, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and other nations' health agencies had specifically advised against lockdowns in their plans for dealing with a pandemic.)

The experiment was promoted by computer modelers who projected that 2 million Americans would die by the end of the summer in 2020 unless governments mandated lockdowns, which they estimated would reduce mortality by 80 percent or more. Both estimates turned out to be absurdly wrongand so was the modelers' assumption that government mandates were the only way to change people's behavior.

Self-Inflicted Problems from the Government Lockdowns

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You should have been running things. Im certain that you had better protocols and Pandemic experience than the experts.

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The experts failed - that's the point. They all deserved to be fired, and some to be put in jail.

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Who should we have listened to?
How often do pandemics happen?

Who would have experience in dealing with a pandemic?

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This person would gladly lock down again if his masters told him to. Also, Biden voter, so zero credibility.

Logos Stick said:

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I'd like someone to explain this to me. That red line is current deaths. The black line is the average from 2015-2019?

We have way too many excess deaths now - about 5k per week - and most are not COVID. The red line should have fallen back closer to the black line by now yet it remains much higher.

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This may be inside the data....I haven't looked... but this could partially just be the new normal base line. I saw reports that average weight gain during Covid was something like 20-30 pounds. We were already fat and now we've gotten fatter.

Fat is the harbinger of most other health problems. So all we've done is elevate the death tolls because we got fatter.

Simultaneously, since fat people are the majority you now have a portion of that population pushing this ludicrous idea that being fat is actually healthy in order to justify their sloth.

And never mind our new glorification and enablement of detrimental mental health issues that lead to high rates of suicide. And I'm not just talking about trans crap.

Kellso said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Kellso said:

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LMCane said:

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Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health.

Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased.

The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents.

Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

So will the economic and social consequences of the lockdowns, which showed up clearly in the Paragon Health Institute comparison of states' performance. The researchers found that states with the more stringent pandemic restrictions had worse declines in economic output and higher rates of unemployment, and that children in those states lost more days of in-person schooling.

These disruptions contributed to a substantial increase in domestic migration, the Paragon researchers found, as people escaped from the more restrictive states and moved to states with less stringent policies.

The lockdowns were the most radical experiment in the history of public health, implemented without evidence that they would work. (In fact, before Covid, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and other nations' health agencies had specifically advised against lockdowns in their plans for dealing with a pandemic.)

The experiment was promoted by computer modelers who projected that 2 million Americans would die by the end of the summer in 2020 unless governments mandated lockdowns, which they estimated would reduce mortality by 80 percent or more. Both estimates turned out to be absurdly wrongand so was the modelers' assumption that government mandates were the only way to change people's behavior.

Self-Inflicted Problems from the Government Lockdowns

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You should have been running things. Im certain that you had better protocols and Pandemic experience than the experts.

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The experts failed - that's the point. They all deserved to be fired, and some to be put in jail.

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Who should we have listened to?
How often do pandemics happen?

Who would have experience in dealing with a pandemic?

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How about having a real debate and not shutting down dissenting doctors and scientists? There was a judgement this past weekend in Missouri which focused in on the government colluding (or forcing) social media to suppress speech that was against the government's position. All started with COVID.

It was common sense that your immune system would kick in but that wasn't allowed to be discussed.

ts5641 said:

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Saw a woman in a restaurant yesterday with a mask on. She would scoop a bite, remove her mask enough to take the bite, and put her mask back on when chewing, in 2023. .
The response to covid has completely broken some people.

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They were already broken, they just needed a push to complete the break.

Kellso said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Kellso said:

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LMCane said:

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Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health.

Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased.

The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents.

Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

So will the economic and social consequences of the lockdowns, which showed up clearly in the Paragon Health Institute comparison of states' performance. The researchers found that states with the more stringent pandemic restrictions had worse declines in economic output and higher rates of unemployment, and that children in those states lost more days of in-person schooling.

These disruptions contributed to a substantial increase in domestic migration, the Paragon researchers found, as people escaped from the more restrictive states and moved to states with less stringent policies.

The lockdowns were the most radical experiment in the history of public health, implemented without evidence that they would work. (In fact, before Covid, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and other nations' health agencies had specifically advised against lockdowns in their plans for dealing with a pandemic.)

The experiment was promoted by computer modelers who projected that 2 million Americans would die by the end of the summer in 2020 unless governments mandated lockdowns, which they estimated would reduce mortality by 80 percent or more. Both estimates turned out to be absurdly wrongand so was the modelers' assumption that government mandates were the only way to change people's behavior.

Self-Inflicted Problems from the Government Lockdowns

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You should have been running things. Im certain that you had better protocols and Pandemic experience than the experts.

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The experts failed - that's the point. They all deserved to be fired, and some to be put in jail.

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Who should we have listened to?
How often do pandemics happen?

Who would have experience in dealing with a pandemic?

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Watching Kellso's unrequited love for daddy government is really…something.

He's likely posting while wearing a mask and latex gloves, probably a splash shield as well.

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Watching Kellso's unrequited love for daddy government is really…something.

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After the last pandemic, the playbook literally said to isolate vulnerable and go on with life.

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So we did the exact opposite and locked down healthy people and sent sick people all over town to get tested for covid so they could spread more covid.

Blows my mind that people still think covid wasn't meticulously planned and executed.

Watched that whole video and while it was very interesting, I am a bit skeptical. I'm no expert on statistical data or medicine, but I have questions.

For one, they used trendlines instead of averages which makes sense if reality actually followed those trendlines, but trendlines have a funny way of changing direction otherwise all trends would continue to infinity. Thet took trends from 2015-2019 and extended them to 2023, leaving a black hole of data from 2020-22 which makes sense of course as to not skew the baseline with covid. But, what if the reality is that the trendline actually shifted during that time? If the trendline actually changed from positive to negative the vector would amplify the errors would it not?

Also, wouldn't ANY vaccine death by considered an excess death? The trend or average baseline for covid vax deaths prior to 2020 should be zero shouldn't it? But the graphs used don't breakdown actual causes of death, it only compares total deaths vs. expected total deaths, when it seems like the actual causes of death would tell you a clearer story. It seems like this is just hiding what may be alarming causes of death inside huge numbers and then saying there is no effect.

I hate Fauci for what he did, what the WHO did and others.

What I can't reconcile is why Trump didn't do something in late 2020 to open things back up? Why didn't he issue an EO regarding schools?

Because he planted his flag on covid policy being a state and local issue as he should have.

Kellso said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Kellso said:

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LMCane said:

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Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health.

Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased.

The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents.

Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

So will the economic and social consequences of the lockdowns, which showed up clearly in the Paragon Health Institute comparison of states' performance. The researchers found that states with the more stringent pandemic restrictions had worse declines in economic output and higher rates of unemployment, and that children in those states lost more days of in-person schooling.

These disruptions contributed to a substantial increase in domestic migration, the Paragon researchers found, as people escaped from the more restrictive states and moved to states with less stringent policies.

The lockdowns were the most radical experiment in the history of public health, implemented without evidence that they would work. (In fact, before Covid, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and other nations' health agencies had specifically advised against lockdowns in their plans for dealing with a pandemic.)

The experiment was promoted by computer modelers who projected that 2 million Americans would die by the end of the summer in 2020 unless governments mandated lockdowns, which they estimated would reduce mortality by 80 percent or more. Both estimates turned out to be absurdly wrongand so was the modelers' assumption that government mandates were the only way to change people's behavior.

Self-Inflicted Problems from the Government Lockdowns

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You should have been running things. Im certain that you had better protocols and Pandemic experience than the experts.

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The experts failed - that's the point. They all deserved to be fired, and some to be put in jail.

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Who should we have listened to?
How often do pandemics happen?

Who would have experience in dealing with a pandemic?

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There were many scientists, doctors and others who very early on objected to the lockdowns. They were silenced by the establishment, CDC, NIH, WHO and the MSM. They were call ignorant, uninformed and charlatans.

Our government was actively involved in censorship related to COVID. A team of ex government employees working for Twitter in censoring alternative theories was exposed when Musk took over. My bet is that other social media was also taking direction from the government at the direction of Dr. Fauci and his subordinates.

Kellso said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Kellso said:

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LMCane said:

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Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health.

Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased.

The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents.

Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

So will the economic and social consequences of the lockdowns, which showed up clearly in the Paragon Health Institute comparison of states' performance. The researchers found that states with the more stringent pandemic restrictions had worse declines in economic output and higher rates of unemployment, and that children in those states lost more days of in-person schooling.

These disruptions contributed to a substantial increase in domestic migration, the Paragon researchers found, as people escaped from the more restrictive states and moved to states with less stringent policies.

The lockdowns were the most radical experiment in the history of public health, implemented without evidence that they would work. (In fact, before Covid, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and other nations' health agencies had specifically advised against lockdowns in their plans for dealing with a pandemic.)

The experiment was promoted by computer modelers who projected that 2 million Americans would die by the end of the summer in 2020 unless governments mandated lockdowns, which they estimated would reduce mortality by 80 percent or more. Both estimates turned out to be absurdly wrongand so was the modelers' assumption that government mandates were the only way to change people's behavior.

Self-Inflicted Problems from the Government Lockdowns

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You should have been running things. Im certain that you had better protocols and Pandemic experience than the experts.

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The experts failed - that's the point. They all deserved to be fired, and some to be put in jail.

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Who should we have listened to?
How often do pandemics happen?

Who would have experience in dealing with a pandemic?

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You understand that pandemics happen every few years, right? We've had like 6 this century alone. Most with much more severe illness than Covid-19, but less infectious. They just get forgotten because we did the right thing, even according to experts pre-COVID-19, and took steps to protect the vulnerable while letting everyone else get on with life.

So, to answer your question, many experts had experience dealing with pandemics. Yet we threw out the lessons learned because of people who insisted we listen to modern "experts" that did all the wrong things on purpose.

Those experts, like Fauci, should be tried and legally executed for his part in the response to Covid-19 that, as the OP illustrates, had significant negative effects that dwarf the effect of the pandemic itself.

I think 30% of the population believe the covid bs, 30% were happy to work from home and get a stimulus check, and 40% didn't buy into covid-mania, ignored covid protocols when they could, and continued to enjoy their lives.

The power and money hungry people will be back. They are processing what they learned and preparing for plandemic part 2

The Green Dragon said:

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The moment you realize the pandemic was co-opted to sell vaccines and get rid of Trump…

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Never let a good crisis goto waste.

Rocky Rider said:

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The power and money hungry people will be back. They are processing what they learned and preparing for plandemic part 2

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Yep. They'll be back in greater numbers

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RoadkillBBQ said:

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Covid harmed the world politically, economically and socially more than any other event in history.
It will have lingering effects for generations and shape history moving forward.

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NIH and EcoHealth decision makers and funders should be on trial for crimes against humanity for their part in funding the Wuhan gain of function experiments. China should be pistol whipped for shutting down regional travel, but allowing internationals to continue.

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Trump gets the blame as well:

Why did Trump allow Gain of Function research under his watch?




https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-s-lifts-moratorium-on-funding-controversial-high-risk-virus-research/

U.S. Lifts Moratorium on Funding Controversial, High-Risk Virus Research

December 19, 2017

Trump was played by NIH, Fauci, and Big Pharma.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2818%2930006-9/fulltext


Fauci was running the NIH

On Dec 19, 2017, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced that they would resume funding gain-of-function experiments involving influenza, Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus.

doubledog said:

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Hindsight is always better than foresight.
By 2020 we knew for certain that COVID -19 was 99%+ survivable. At this point Biden should have shutdown the shutdown.

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There was an election to steal

Kellso said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Kellso said:

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LMCane said:

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Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health.

Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased.

The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents.

Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

So will the economic and social consequences of the lockdowns, which showed up clearly in the Paragon Health Institute comparison of states' performance. The researchers found that states with the more stringent pandemic restrictions had worse declines in economic output and higher rates of unemployment, and that children in those states lost more days of in-person schooling.

These disruptions contributed to a substantial increase in domestic migration, the Paragon researchers found, as people escaped from the more restrictive states and moved to states with less stringent policies.

The lockdowns were the most radical experiment in the history of public health, implemented without evidence that they would work. (In fact, before Covid, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and other nations' health agencies had specifically advised against lockdowns in their plans for dealing with a pandemic.)

The experiment was promoted by computer modelers who projected that 2 million Americans would die by the end of the summer in 2020 unless governments mandated lockdowns, which they estimated would reduce mortality by 80 percent or more. Both estimates turned out to be absurdly wrongand so was the modelers' assumption that government mandates were the only way to change people's behavior.

Self-Inflicted Problems from the Government Lockdowns

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You should have been running things. Im certain that you had better protocols and Pandemic experience than the experts.

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The experts failed - that's the point. They all deserved to be fired, and some to be put in jail.

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Who should we have listened to?
How often do pandemics happen?

Who would have experience in dealing with a pandemic?

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I always wondered how they got people to willingly load themselves into the cattle cars in Nazi Germany. Now I know

doubledog said:

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Hindsight is always better than foresight.
By 2020 we knew for certain that COVID -19 was 99%+ survivable. At this point Biden should have shutdown the shutdown.

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more like 99.95% for any healthy person under 60.

American Hardwood said:

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Because he planted his flag on covid policy being a state and local issue as he should have.

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Exactly, people need to understand what states rights are and return those the federal government has usurped.

richardag said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Because he planted his flag on covid policy being a state and local issue as he should have.

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Exactly, people need to understand what states rights are and return those the federal government has usurped.

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That wont happen without violence I'm afraid.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Rocky Rider said:

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The power and money hungry people will be back. They are processing what they learned and preparing for plandemic part 2

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Yep. They'll be back in greater numbers

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Both will be used.

Kellso said:

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TAMU1990 said:

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Kellso said:

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LMCane said:

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Meantime, the lockdowns did have other significant effects on health.

Rates of smoking, drinking, and obesity increased.

The number of excess deaths from non-Covid causes in the U.S. rose by nearly 100,000 annually due to extra deaths from stroke, heart attack, diabetes, obesity, drug overdoses, alcohol-induced causes, homicide, and traffic accidents.

Many of these excess deaths, which occurred disproportionately among working-age adults, were presumably related to the lockdowns' disruptions in people's lives and in medical treatments. The delays in screening for heart disease and cancer will continue to have a deadly impact in the years ahead.

So will the economic and social consequences of the lockdowns, which showed up clearly in the Paragon Health Institute comparison of states' performance. The researchers found that states with the more stringent pandemic restrictions had worse declines in economic output and higher rates of unemployment, and that children in those states lost more days of in-person schooling.

These disruptions contributed to a substantial increase in domestic migration, the Paragon researchers found, as people escaped from the more restrictive states and moved to states with less stringent policies.

The lockdowns were the most radical experiment in the history of public health, implemented without evidence that they would work. (In fact, before Covid, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and other nations' health agencies had specifically advised against lockdowns in their plans for dealing with a pandemic.)

The experiment was promoted by computer modelers who projected that 2 million Americans would die by the end of the summer in 2020 unless governments mandated lockdowns, which they estimated would reduce mortality by 80 percent or more. Both estimates turned out to be absurdly wrongand so was the modelers' assumption that government mandates were the only way to change people's behavior.

Self-Inflicted Problems from the Government Lockdowns

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You should have been running things. Im certain that you had better protocols and Pandemic experience than the experts.

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The experts failed - that's the point. They all deserved to be fired, and some to be put in jail.

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Who should we have listened to?
How often do pandemics happen?

Who would have experience in dealing with a pandemic?

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Not the "experts" that are bought and paid for by Big Pharma.

How about use the lessons learned during the last SARS Covid outbreak in the early 2000's before social media was used as a weapon?

Plenty of people have experience, you and others did not want to listen or read what they said before and during 2020/21/22.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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If you go back to the original covid threads on here you had people predicting all of this during the 2-week to stop the spread honeymoon. You even had people predicting that they would hastily roll out a vaccine and it would kill a bunch of people.

Everything discussed here was known and acknowledged.

Still remember posts about people walking through their neighborhood and saying the amount of wine and liquor bottles in recycling was like after a major holiday. Beer truck drivers were saying that it was holiday weekend every week.

For the most part people stayed home, got addicted to drugs and alcohol, got fat on uber eats, had domestic violence incidents, got dumber, watched tiger king and defended into madness like Col Kurtz from Apocalypse now.

And they loved every minute of it.

Now we pay the piper.

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well…not everyone. The service industry ate it and most blue collar workers saw little change beyond little plexiglass screens around the warehouse/factory/whatever. But the white liberals got their side of moral superiority along with everything else in your post. No problem as long as the Amazon packages kept flowing and zoom was up-and-running for the 3:00 virtual happy hour.

RoadkillBBQ said:

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than any other event in history.

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Take it easy, pal.

Yeah, tell all of this "data" to the ones who buried family members due to COVID. And I do know of some who did.