Must watch: At the United Nations Security Council @MaxBlumenthal deconstructs the US Govt corruption and lies regarding the US proxy war in Ukraine.pic.twitter.com/GhvKsO6TSA
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Max Blumenthal destroys the Ukraine War Media Narrative
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I agree in that the big winner here is the military industrial complex.
The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
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The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
That's because it's horse sh/t.
why is my defense contractor ETF one of the worst performing stocks in my portfolio?Not a Bot said:
I agree in that the big winner here is the military industrial complex.
The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
NATO, under US lead, poked the bear repeatedly - encouraging her ill -treated neighbors to turn on her. Injured, angry, poked one too many times; The bear lashed out violently.pagerman @ work said:Quote:
The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
That's because its horse sh/t.
It is not an excuse of bearish behavior to suggest that we participated in this Tango. Ukraine didn't ask to have an abusive and controlling and violent neighbor. Nobody forced the bear to act like a brute or to maul Ukraine - but let's not pretend that we were naive to the possibility of them reacting in line with historic precedent.
^^this^^
Get Off My Lawn said:NATO, under US lead, poked the bear repeatedly - encouraging her ill -treated neighbors to turn on her. Injured, angry, poked one too many times; The bear lashed out violently.pagerman @ work said:Quote:
The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
That's because its horse sh/t.
It is not an excuse of bearish behavior to suggest that we participated in this Tango. Ukraine didn't ask to have an abusive and controlling and violent neighbor. Nobody forced the bear to act like a brute or to maul Ukraine - but let's not pretend that we were naive to the possibility of them reacting in line with historic precedent.
Yep. Two things can be correct at the same time
He ****ing nailed it
Same sort of thing a spouse beater says as the beater is punching their spouse.pagerman @ work said:Quote:
The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
That's because it's horse sh/t.
There were definitely two sides manipulating Ukrainian politics between pro western and pro Russian factions.
Only one side began gobbling up border territory and then launched an all out invasion, however. That is a distinct difference.
Only one side began gobbling up border territory and then launched an all out invasion, however. That is a distinct difference.
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why is my defense contractor ETF one of the worst performing stocks in my portfolio?
They aren't on a mission to make the little guy rich.
MouthBQ98 said:
There were definitely two sides manipulating Ukrainian politics between pro western and pro Russian factions.
Only one side began gobbling up border territory and then launched an all out invasion, however. That is a distinct difference.
Exactly. The only way NATO was a "threat" to Russia, was that it removed their ability to invade the majority of their neighbors.
We should have brought Russia into NATO or dissolved NATO and brought Russia into the global economy in a way that eliminated their historical concerns over being invaded. Their natural riches are a significant part of the global supply chain and as all of that goes off line we're going to see significant problems everywhere as a result. Unfortunately the post Cold War era has featured multiple presidents uninterested in foreign policy who completely lacked any understanding of the global economy and what it took to keep it functioning. Keeping Russia on the other side of the line so to speak all but insured this conflict.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
Whut? Russia (or technically, the USSR) was the whole reason NATO was necessary and why it was created.LOYAL AG said:
We should have brought Russia into NATO or dissolved NATO and brought Russia into the global economy in a way that eliminated their historical concerns over being invaded. Their natural riches are a significant part of the global supply chain and as all of that goes off line we're going to see significant problems everywhere as a result. Unfortunately the post Cold War era has featured multiple presidents uninterested in foreign policy who completely lacked any understanding of the global economy and what it took to keep it functioning. Keeping Russia on the other side of the line so to speak all but insured this conflict.
LMCane said:why is my defense contractor ETF one of the worst performing stocks in my portfolio?Not a Bot said:
I agree in that the big winner here is the military industrial complex.
The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
Profits are being skimmed to connected individuals, not returned to investors.
Martin Cash said:Whut? Russia (or technically, the USSR) was the whole reason NATO was necessary and why it was created.LOYAL AG said:
We should have brought Russia into NATO or dissolved NATO and brought Russia into the global economy in a way that eliminated their historical concerns over being invaded. Their natural riches are a significant part of the global supply chain and as all of that goes off line we're going to see significant problems everywhere as a result. Unfortunately the post Cold War era has featured multiple presidents uninterested in foreign policy who completely lacked any understanding of the global economy and what it took to keep it functioning. Keeping Russia on the other side of the line so to speak all but insured this conflict.
Ok? That ended 30+ years ago. The Cold War has been over almost as long as it existed. At some point we have to move on. Somewhere along the way we should have at least attempted to end the adversarial relationship with Russia in an effort to get them fully integrated economically while at the same time showing them NATO wasn't interested in conquering their homeland. Instead we spent that time admitting former Soviet satellites into NATO which effectively pushed the border closer to Russia. We failed to show Russia a clear path to becoming our ally and instead continued to show them a confrontational posture.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
Now you're talking crazy! No way we could go from adversary to ally! Just look no further than our continued feuding and lack of business relations with the English, the French, the Mexicans, the the Germanics, the Japs, the the Vietnamese!
I don't know, maybe ask Nancy Pelosi.LMCane said:why is my defense contractor ETF one of the worst performing stocks in my portfolio?Not a Bot said:
I agree in that the big winner here is the military industrial complex.
The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Get Off My Lawn said:
Now you're talking crazy! No way we could go from adversary to ally! Just look no further than our continued feuding and lack of business relations with the English, the French, the Mexicans, the the Germanics, the Japs, the the Vietnamese!
Not to paint Big Oil as the boogeyman, but it could be that they saw Russia as a competitor, and thus US policy kept them at arms length.
There is also the other perspective: when the USSR collapsed, the former soviet states claim that western companies seized major portions of resources and economic sectors. The 90s were bad for eastern Europe and it wasn't just "adjusting to new economic paradigms." They felt like they got raided. They spent 40 years exporting to Moscow and now they are being carved up for Wall Street and Western Europe.
LMCane said:why is my defense contractor ETF one of the worst performing stocks in my portfolio?Not a Bot said:
I agree in that the big winner here is the military industrial complex.
The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
If this is a serious question then you're too ignorant to get the rest of the issue.
It's possible to agree with every single word spoken by Blumenthal in that video and not be a Putin stooge.
The excuses made for a russian invasion by conservatives are the weirdest thing I've ever seen. I have zero doubt the same people would be arguing the opposite side if there was a Republican president. My side = good, your side = bad.
Yeah, it's weird for conservatives not to trust the senile, treasonous old bag of depenz in the Oval Office to prosecute a war benefitting his pay masters in China that could become a nuclear conflict any given day over some bit of land in Asia none of us knew anything about or cared about until Biden provoked Putin into taking direct control of more of it.Jack Boyett said:
The excuses made for a russian invasion by conservatives are the weirdest thing I've ever seen. I have zero doubt the same people would be arguing the opposite side if there was a Republican president. My side = good, your side = bad.
"You guys are so partisan. Just go along with what Biden says/does in this war. 'Murica, eff yea!'"
I'm so old, I remember when the leftist scum like Pelosi/GCF were saying things like 'dissent is patriotic' about another war.
Liberals are the ones making this black and white...my team/your team. Some of us simply do not give a sh** about border skirmishes between eastern euro-trash countries...damn sure not enough to spend hundred of billions OF OUR TAX $$$ on said skirmishes.Jack Boyett said:
The excuses made for a russian invasion by conservatives are the weirdest thing I've ever seen. I have zero doubt the same people would be arguing the opposite side if there was a Republican president. My side = good, your side = bad.
That position makes me a Putin lover to pea brained limp wristed white liberal male feminists who get their marching orders from Joy Behar and Rachel Maddow.
When I see a car with a Ukrainian flag on it, I can guarantee with almost 100% certainly that it is a fully vaxxed and boosted white lib who had one of those stupid condescending "In this house..." yard signs during the pandemic.
Exactly. Silly libs.nortex97 said:Yeah, it's weird for conservatives not to trust the senile, treasonous old bag of depenz in the Oval Office to prosecute a war benefitting his pay masters in China that could become a nuclear conflict any given day over some bit of land in Asia none of us knew anything about or cared about until Biden provoked Putin into taking direct control of more of it.Jack Boyett said:
The excuses made for a russian invasion by conservatives are the weirdest thing I've ever seen. I have zero doubt the same people would be arguing the opposite side if there was a Republican president. My side = good, your side = bad.
"You guys are so partisan. Just go along with what Biden says/does in this war. 'Murica, eff yea!'"
I'm so old, I remember when the leftist scum like Pelosi/GCF were saying things like 'dissent is patriotic' about another war.
He must be pro Putin
false.Jack Boyett said:
the same people would be arguing the opposite side if there was a Republican president.
What did Blumenthal say that was wrong?
Very well written.Get Off My Lawn said:NATO, under US lead, poked the bear repeatedly - encouraging her ill -treated neighbors to turn on her. Injured, angry, poked one too many times; The bear lashed out violently.pagerman @ work said:Quote:
The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
That's because its horse sh/t.
It is not an excuse of bearish behavior to suggest that we participated in this Tango. Ukraine didn't ask to have an abusive and controlling and violent neighbor. Nobody forced the bear to act like a brute or to maul Ukraine - but let's not pretend that we were naive to the possibility of them reacting in line with historic precedent.
Not that I agree with much of it it, but it does beat the usual mouth-breathing talking points put out by Putin and his bots and repeated by Putin's American sycophants via tv shows and social media for over a year now.
That being said, as well written (i.e., not the typical "Biden/'Merca sucks, tough sheet Ukes, F'K yeah Putin!" as it was, the bottom line, which I completely agree with you, is that nobody forced Putin to have his army invade a free country and instruct his soldiers to murder, rape, kill by firing squad, rip children from their parents and hide them in Russia, etc ad nauseum.
Let's not pretend Putin is a victim here, for anyone with even one iota of a moral compass knows he's the furthest thing from that and that he did not have to invade.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
Maybe you stopped reading before the last paragraph. Either that or some weak-ass strawman when he specifically did not excuse Putin is all you can generate.
We did attempt to end the adversarial relationship with Russia although not necessarily in the best way. When Putin took power he maintained his KGB mindset and was not interested in building any sort of trustworthy relationship with the US or the west in general. GW Bush bent over backwards trying to build a relationship there, even commenting in a public appearance with Putin that he looked deep into his eyes and viewed him as genuine.
The war in Iraq caused a lot of regional instability to Russia's south. I don't think a lot of people realize how close Iraq actually is to the Russian southern border. Russia/USSR had historically been the regional power player in central and west Asia and Putin believed the US intervention in Iraq without their involvement was an incredible sign of disrespect for Russia.
Obama recognized the faltering relationship and announced a "reset" in an effort to try to rebuild trust, but Putin had already decided it wasn't worth the effort to work with the US.
Putin has always been pissy about the end of the Cold War and wanted the US to view Russia as a complete equal. In cases where the US either ignored or did not ascribe to Russia's viewpoint on a particular issue it just made his little man syndrome grow even larger.
The war in Iraq caused a lot of regional instability to Russia's south. I don't think a lot of people realize how close Iraq actually is to the Russian southern border. Russia/USSR had historically been the regional power player in central and west Asia and Putin believed the US intervention in Iraq without their involvement was an incredible sign of disrespect for Russia.
Obama recognized the faltering relationship and announced a "reset" in an effort to try to rebuild trust, but Putin had already decided it wasn't worth the effort to work with the US.
Putin has always been pissy about the end of the Cold War and wanted the US to view Russia as a complete equal. In cases where the US either ignored or did not ascribe to Russia's viewpoint on a particular issue it just made his little man syndrome grow even larger.
Good Lord.
The list of payments he lays out is absolutely disgusting. Black rock getting paid. Payments going out from the Social Security Administration. Absolutely unreal and sickening.
The list of payments he lays out is absolutely disgusting. Black rock getting paid. Payments going out from the Social Security Administration. Absolutely unreal and sickening.
DannyDuberstein said:
Maybe you stopped reading before the last paragraph. Either that or some weak-ass strawman when he specifically did not excuse Putin is all you can generate.
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It is not an excuse of bearish behavior to suggest that we participated in this Tango. Ukraine didn't ask to have an abusive and controlling and violent neighbor. Nobody forced the bear to act like a brute or to maul Ukraine - but let's not pretend that we were naive to the possibility of them reacting in line with historic precedent.
I didn't see condemnation of Putin, only an explanation of the actions taken by him because these types of things were done in the past.
Not excusing isn't the same as saying Putin was wrong to invade, needs to be brought to justice for the war crimes, is a "bad guy," etc.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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It's the Mafioso way. Think "Protection Fee". DC bureaucrats have perfected it.jwhaby said:LMCane said:why is my defense contractor ETF one of the worst performing stocks in my portfolio?Not a Bot said:
I agree in that the big winner here is the military industrial complex.
The whole "Ukraine and NATO forced Russia to do this" angle just doesn't work for me.
Profits are being skimmed to connected individuals, not returned to investors.