Will Trump be charged with seditious conspiracy? pic.twitter.com/r8xsDAogfW

— Wojciech Pawelczyk (@WojPawelczyk) July 2, 2023

Video from Jack Posbiec saying this may be happening.

Welcome to Nazi Germany. Thanks libs

So more fake bull*****

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Video from Jack Posbiec saying this may be happening.

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Usually, that mean great news for Trump on not being charged.

I hear Trump jay walked in 1992... Quick call the DOJ !

The left runs a very effective Banana Republic

Trump had some outstanding parking tickets from 1972. Maybe he needs to be behind bars.

at this point i am shocked they haven't indicted trump on murder charges.

BTHOB-98 said:

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Trump had some outstanding parking tickets from 1972. Maybe he needs to be behind bars.

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They were the most outstanding tickets, I can assure you!

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If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103322, title XXXIII, 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

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Force is a required element.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

Funny part is. Like everything these liberals do, their decisions always blow up in their faces. He just gets more popular after ever stupid charged assumption.

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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at this point i am shocked they haven't indicted trump on murder charges.

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For the person he shot on Fifth Avenue?

IslanderAg04 said:

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Funny part is. Like everything these liberals do, their decisions always blow up in their faces. He just gets more popular after ever stupid charged assumption.

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Are you so sure these decisions are blowing up in the left's face?

Let me put it this way. As you said, Trump gets more popular after every stupid charge....but only with his base. The middle and the Left aren't rethinking their stance on Trump and switching to his side.

So if these charges increase his popularity enough to propel him to a win in the Primary but don't benefit (heck, even hurt him) in the General, then do you think that just maybe there's a strategy behind the slow continual release of charges against Trump right during Primary season?

And the clown show of a banana republic fascist state continues all the while the biden crime family remains untouched.

aggiehawg said:

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If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103322, title XXXIII, 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

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Force is a required element.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

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I wonder if they tried to set precedent with that Stewart Rhodes guy. Didn't they get him for planning and directing it?

I have found you to be a very reasonable poster so I'll ask you this question because this is my main issue here. Wish Trump had never announced but we are now in this position so we have to deal with it.

I pointed out that the definition of seditious conspracy requires the use of force. Doesn't putting a person in prison constitute the use of force? Full power of the state arrayed against them? On Beriaesque charges designed solely to interfere in an election? Should such tactics be approved and rewarded in America?

And if it shouldn't, in your view, how else can it be stopped?

While drinking a Super sized Diet Coke.

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That's my point - the real decision-makers on the Left, those using their brains and not guided by just their progressive ideology, know they have a golden chance to goad the Right into hamstringing the Republicans enough to lose the election. All they have to do is keep attacking Trump.

If I'm mistaking your argument or stance please forgive and correct me. But you view this as simply, "We can't let the left use political prosecution to select the Republican's candidate. And we fight that by nominating the guy they're prosecuting. If we don't fight back with this one particular candidate then we're legitimizing their strategy."

They want the Right to fall into the trap of thinking they have to stick with Trump in solidarity as the only way to repudiate the Left's attempt at using the courts for political warfare. And for the Right that might be the case if the only contenders on the Right were RINO swamp creatures.

But that's not the case. The Right has someone even better than Trump that can lead them in surrogacy. Desantis is actually a proven warrior even more conservative than Trump. He's already stated he will consider pardoning Trump and he's made it one of his core campaign promises to dismantle the power structure in D.C. that has weaponized the justice system.

I truly believe the Right can win this fight against the weaponization of the Federal government against its citizens and political opponents. But we have to win the Presidency and IMO we can only win that with Desantis. I truly believe Trump is unelectable in the General.

And that's the beauty of the Left's strategy. They're selling two stories. One is that if the Right doesn't stick with Trump as our candidate then we agree he's guilty of all of these charges and therefore give assent to using the DOJ to attack political opposition. The other story they're selling is that if we do stick with Trump then that's proof the Right are dangerous seditionists who need to be prosecuted out of existance for the safety of our nation.

They're using the Right's indignation at these charges to goad us into choosing Option #2 above. And if we choose Option #1 that's less preferable to them but also OK because they'll just spin it as proof that even the Right is tired of Trump.

But the Right has to be smarter and not fall into that trap. In this case, truly "play chess and not checkers". If you know your opponent is laying a trap for you on a particular battleground don't rush headlong into it. Force another battle on grounds that can win on, and by winning that battle you may very well have weakened them enough that you can win the war.

Hopefully that answered your question and explained my stance.

They're going to hit Trump too hard; and if he gets taken out from running, then DeSantis will capitalize bigly.

Please make Trump a martyr and setup DeSantis

Note: I am agnostic on Trump or DeSantis but I am 100% anti-Dem

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If I'm mistaking your argument or stance please forgive and correct me. But you view this as simply, "We can't let the left use political prosecution to select the Republican's candidate. And we fight that by nominating the guy they're prosecuting. If we don't fight back with this one particular candidate then we're legitimizing their strategy."

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No, that really isn't the main point as much as it is the consequence. I guess my real argument here is a slippery slope that we have all seen vastly exploited over the last few decades. Just because we no longer support Trump, they can get away with it because it's Trump. That's the false argument here. You don't care that our elections are being hijacked just because this time and the last, it is Trump. While Biden and Hillary are protected by DOJ when they actually did commit crimes, multiple serious crimes.

But it will never stop when that gets legitimized. Witness the increasing efforts to attack the conservative justices on SCOTUS. Those will escalate into potential charges, bribery, etc. with an OOC DOJ.

If Trump quit tomorrow, they would not stop. And who knows? Maybe when the lawfare attacks on DeSantis start more people will wake up and understand the real problem?

Frankly, I see no solution here. Congress can't act to rein in DOJ with legislation because of the separation of powers issue. They can impeach Garland but whether he gets removed is doubtful. Our judiciary, particularly in the DC Circuit, is one of the worst offenders in election interference and jailing people for Jan 6th. DOJ is altering surveillance tapes, hiding Brady materials and the federal district courts are allowing that to happen, encouraging it even.

So all three branches of government are complicit. When that happens, the only recourse is at the ballot box. And even that has been corrupted by the same fellow travelers of those seeking to use the law as a political weapon to pick for us who our leaders will be.

But where is the outrage?

This is what happens when republicans push your agenda: They get accused of sedition.

Are you waking up yet? LOL no, probably not. It's mind boggling how much has to happen before people wake up.

You get what you vote for....

They are after US, not Trump!

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If I'm mistaking your argument or stance please forgive and correct me. But you view this as simply, "We can't let the left use political prosecution to select the Republican's candidate. And we fight that by nominating the guy they're prosecuting. If we don't fight back with this one particular candidate then we're legitimizing their strategy."

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No, that really isn't the main point as much as it is the consequence. I guess my real argument here is a slippery slope that we have all seen vastly exploited over the last few decades. Just because we no longer support Trump, they can get away with it because it's Trump. That's the false argument here. You don't care that our elections are being hijacked just because this time and the last, it is Trump. While Biden and Hillary are protected by DOJ when they actually did commit crimes, multiple serious crimes.

But it will never stop when that gets legitimized. Witness the increasing efforts to attack the conservative justices on SCOTUS. Those will escalate into potential charges, bribery, etc. with an OOC DOJ.

If Trump quit tomorrow, they would not stop. And who knows? Maybe when the lawfare attacks on DeSantis start more people will wake up and understand the real problem?

Frankly, I see no solution here. Congress can't act to rein in DOJ with legislation because of the separation of powers issue. They can impeach Garland but whether he gets removed is doubtful. Our judiciary, particularly in the DC Circuit, is one of the worst offenders in election interference and jailing people for Jan 6th. DOJ is altering surveillance tapes, hiding Brady materials and the federal district courts are allowing that to happen, encouraging it even.

So all three branches of government are complicit. When that happens, the only recourse is at the ballot box. And even that has been corrupted by the same fellow travelers of those seeking to use the law as a political weapon to pick for us who our leaders will be.

But where is the outrage?

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There is outrage, at least by the Rep voters who keep up with this stuff. Sadly that's only a fraction of our population. I would love to see more outrage by our Congressional Republicans, hell, Republicans at all levels. Part of the reason we're not is how unlikeable as a whole that Trump has made himself.
He did that to himself, and the Dems are loving it right now.

You and I can divorce this DOJ stuff against Trump from his other issues and follables, sure. We can disagree with his personality and even some of his campaign platforms but still root for him to beat this court stuff. But the average American simply can't. And that goes for the moderate voters who will decide this election in the swing states. The media will continue to conflate everything about Trump and the average voter doesn't care enough to spend their spare time truly diving into this.

I have no illusion the Dems will stop at Trump when it comes to political interference by the courts. Of course they won't. But we can't beat them and turn the ship around from outside the wheelhouse. We have to gain control. And to that effect I still maintain that Trump is unelectable in the General. So making him the Rep nominee is the equivalent of the old man shaking his fist at the sky. It shows we're angry, sure I guess, but accomplishes nothing.


And that's what the Dems want.

IMO opinion the consequences of a Republican nomination of Trump for the Presidency equal basically no consequences for the Dems weaponizing the DOJ. Why? Because Trump loses the General, the Dems win, and they continue along their path. Consequences for the Dem targeting of Trump can only happen of the Rep's nominate an electable candidate (i.e. not Trump).

You might not like that route. You may think its retreating from the battle. But in reality its winning the war.

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Funny part is. Like everything these liberals do, their decisions always blow up in their faces. He just gets more popular after ever stupid charged assumption.

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The Great Bug Zapper

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If Trump quit tomorrow, they would not stop. And who knows? Maybe when the lawfare attacks on DeSantis start more people will wake up and understand the real problem?

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They are already openly discussing charging DeSantes with one thing or another. I believe that some Florida City Prosecutor has tried to charge DeSantes for something. Also, I think Newsome or one of his people was threatening to charge DeSantes with Human Smuggling or Kidnapping.

The Dems/Libs have "Upped Their Game" and any Republican running for office better be prepared to be charged criminally and perhaps arrested and incarcerated.

Sadly almost half the people in this country fully support this happening because they are stupid and do not understand that the Legal System is being misused and can then be turned on anyone for any reason.

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Sadly almost half the people in this country fully support this happening because they are stupid and do not understand that the Legal System is being misused and can then be turned on anyone for any reason.

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We are 1920s and 30s Germany.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller

Forum 16 on TexAgs will be next.

aggiehawg said:

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If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103322, title XXXIII, 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

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Force is a required element.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

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Let's come back to this for a moment. As it applies to Jan 6th AND Trump, does it really apply under the statute? He was POTUS on Jan 6th, And remained POTUS afterwards. He can't be credibly accused of overthrowing himself.

He was not levying war against the US.

And by which type of force was he preventing, delaying, hindering the execution of any law? Representatives and Senators were prepared to follow the law and submit legal objections to the certifications of the votes in select states. A process which has been done multiple times before in our history and has not only federal statutes allowing for it but also a method of resolution for these issues in the 12th Amendment.

In the closest Electoral College vote in history, in 2000, where the results of Florida alone were determinative of the outcome of the election, Gore fought in the courts as long as he could,until the SCOTUS shut it down. But he still had the 12th. Why didn't he resort to that? Because it would have not changed the result in his favor, given the make-up of the states at the time. He has admitted as much.

Trump had a much higher hurdle to get to the 12th. But that doesn't preclude his attempt to get there as in any way seditious.

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And the clown show of a banana republic fascist state continues all the while the biden crime family remains untouched.

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True, and absolutely disgusting that the FBI, DOJ, NSA and much of the Judicial system has been weaponized by the Democratic Party leadership.

aggiehawg said:

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If I'm mistaking your argument or stance please forgive and correct me. But you view this as simply, "We can't let the left use political prosecution to select the Republican's candidate. And we fight that by nominating the guy they're prosecuting. If we don't fight back with this one particular candidate then we're legitimizing their strategy."

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No, that really isn't the main point as much as it is the consequence. I guess my real argument here is a slippery slope that we have all seen vastly exploited over the last few decades. Just because we no longer support Trump, they can get away with it because it's Trump. That's the false argument here. You don't care that our elections are being hijacked just because this time and the last, it is Trump. While Biden and Hillary are protected by DOJ when they actually did commit crimes, multiple serious crimes.

But it will never stop when that gets legitimized. Witness the increasing efforts to attack the conservative justices on SCOTUS. Those will escalate into potential charges, bribery, etc. with an OOC DOJ.

If Trump quit tomorrow, they would not stop. And who knows? Maybe when the lawfare attacks on DeSantis start more people will wake up and understand the real problem?

Frankly, I see no solution here. Congress can't act to rein in DOJ with legislation because of the separation of powers issue. They can impeach Garland but whether he gets removed is doubtful. Our judiciary, particularly in the DC Circuit, is one of the worst offenders in election interference and jailing people for Jan 6th. DOJ is altering surveillance tapes, hiding Brady materials and the federal district courts are allowing that to happen, encouraging it even.

So all three branches of government are complicit. When that happens, the only recourse is at the ballot box. And even that has been corrupted by the same fellow travelers of those seeking to use the law as a political weapon to pick for us who our leaders will be.

But where is the outrage?

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ALL true...and ever so scary!!!!!!

My BIL is a very preachy (actual preacher) sanctimonious a-hole who is not very politically attuned.

His position has long been one cannot simultaneously be a politican and also a Christian. In years past I scoffed at that as his own father was a church Deacon and a City Council member at the time he said that.

Now I wonder if he might be onto something.

What about the biden family?