Define the enemy

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TexAgs91
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Who exactly is the left in this country? Or have we entered a phase where it's no longer so much left vs right but authoritarian vs libertarian?



Can the party that occupies the White House and controls the Senate still be described as Democratic? It doesn't seem to be your grandfather's Democratic party anymore. They no longer follow the Constitution. They are anti-American. They are rife with corruption and do not recognized the country's borders. They utilize causes such as environmentalism, racial equity, lgbtq not to improve the environment, race relations or protect homosexuals or trans, but to push their agenda and a non-capitalist economy.

But what exactly is their end goal? Rush has said their goal is to break down our society and economy and rebuild a new type of country from America's ashes. What type of country is their goal? Socialist or something else?

I used chatGPT to determine what type of political system we have by having it quiz me on a "fictional country" so I didn't activate its bias, while giving answers about this country. Here is its analysis:

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Based on the answers you have provided, the political system of this fictional country appears to exhibit characteristics of an authoritarian dominant-party system. The dominant party enjoys significant advantages, including a history of election fraud, weak opposition, control over media and communication infrastructures, and alignment of civil society organizations with the dominant party. The judiciary is politicized, and checks and balances between branches of government are lacking. Additionally, there are limitations on freedom of speech and press, and certain minority groups receive preferential treatment over others. Regional or ethnic tensions exist, and there are economic disparities with a weakening middle class.

The fictional country appears to have an authoritarian dominant-party system with elements of state-controlled socialism and state intervention in the economy. The government exerts significant control over key sectors of the economy, heavily regulates and controls industries such as banking, healthcare, and education, and implements income redistribution policies. There is also centralized planning and coordination of economic activities to some extent. The government promotes and enforces a specific ideology or political doctrine through propaganda and educational curricula. There is moderate control and censorship of cultural and artistic expressions, as well as regulation of the internet and online activities.
While the country does not prioritize self-sufficiency and economic independence from other countries, it exhibits a mix of characteristics that align with an authoritarian political system, state control over the economy, and significant government influence over various aspects of society.
Based on these attributes, the fictional country's political system could be characterized as an authoritarian socialist system with elements of state interventionism and ideological control.

No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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BG Knocc Out
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My personal enemy, and who I see as the biggest enemy and threat to this nation, is EVERY MODERN LIBERAL. It has become a warped and deviant anti-American religion that seeks to tear away at the traditional American fabric as much as possible. And as rapidly as possible.
Ol_Ag_02
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Both repubs and dems are mostly just authoritarians of a different stripe.

Hell there's significant group around here that wants to criminalize adultery, criminalize consenting adult homosexuals, and end women's suffrage. They use fun little quotes like "the constitution was only designed for a moral people". Just a different version of the time tested method of dehumanizing your opposition. And they think they're the good guys.

Authoritarians of both stripes suck. It's not just the evil ones on the left.
halfastros81
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The goal is a world government controlled by a cabal of corporate leaders and politicians . To get there US dominance must be ended . American leftists and corporate moguls want their seat at the table . Payoffs and a reserved seat at the table are their motivation .

Competition and innovation and success from outside the cabal won't be tolerated to any significant degree .

The cabal knows a sovereign and strong USA is a fly in the ointment. As long as that exists their plan cannot be fully implemented.
CDUB98
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Everything outside of the yellow box.
MR Gadsden
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Mondemonium
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Biden | Trump
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Detmersdislocatedshoulder
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the left are globalist and that is why there is such contrast between the values of conservative americans and the globalists left.

globalist want death, destruction, sin, drug use, abortions/ depopulation, complete control , no freedom of speech, acceptance of all homosexuality,no way to protect yourself. so basically full fledged tyranny. they want to fall of america so they can usher in their new world order.

so we are clear they are saying the quiet part out loud so there should not be to much confusion unless you don't believe them.
BG Knocc Out
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Ol_Ag_02 said:

Both repubs and dems are mostly just authoritarians of a different stripe.

Hell there's significant group around here that wants to criminalize adultery, criminalize consenting adult homosexuals, and end women's suffrage. They use fun little quotes like "the constitution was only designed for a moral people". Just a different version of the time tested method of dehumanizing your opposition. And they think they're the good guys.

Authoritarians of both stripes suck. It's not just the evil ones on the left.
LOL I love this shtick

Feel better now? Feel noble and virtuous? Perhaps enlightened?

And no, there is not a "significant group" on here who wants to criminalize adultery, homosexuality or take away womens' rights to vote. Out of thousands of posters, there are like 1-2 Catholic white nationalists on here who push this type of stuff. I think most of it is just venting of outward frustrations, which I totally get. I often find myself thinking "geez, things WOULD be so much better if women couldn't vote".
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CDUB98 said:

Everything outside of the yellow box.
This.

There are a lot of social issues I am fine with that traditionally would fall into the green box, but since the left has moved so far beyond traditional liberalism and the right has shifted left and adopted a lot of traditional liberal ideologies, it is impossible for me to want to negotiate on any leftism libertarian ideas.
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TheEternalPessimist
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Ol_Ag_02 said:

Both repubs and dems are mostly just authoritarians of a different stripe.

Hell there's significant group around here that wants to criminalize adultery, criminalize consenting adult homosexuals, and end women's suffrage. They use fun little quotes like "the constitution was only designed for a moral people". Just a different version of the time tested method of dehumanizing your opposition. And they think they're the good guys.

Authoritarians of both stripes suck. It's not just the evil ones on the left.

"Hell there's significant group around here that wants to criminalize adultery" - Yes. When you cheat on your spouse there should be criminal consequences.

"criminalize consenting adult homosexuals" - Keep it behind closed doors, and shutup about it, and I will never know. When "consenting homosexuals" push their degeneracy into the public eye, that is when the law must stop them.

"end women's suffrage" - Women's suffrage and universal suffrage have been harbingers of all the worst attributes of our society being normalized. Indeed, it's time to get rid of the 19th amendment.

"They use fun little quotes like "the constitution was only designed for a moral people". Just a different version of the time tested method of dehumanizing your opposition. And they think they're the good guys." -- As opposed to those who support or take part in the murder the preborn, endorse sodomy and sexual deviancy, confiscatory seizure of the individual's earnings, and diminishing the value of our work through endless printing of money.

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Quote:

Hell there's significant group around here that wants to criminalize adultery, criminalize consenting adult homosexuals, and end women's suffrage. They use fun little quotes like "the constitution was only designed for a moral people". Just a different version of the time tested method of dehumanizing your opposition. And they think they're the good guys.

Authoritarians of both stripes suck. It's not just the evil ones on the left.
Yeah, but none of these people have any power or representation in gov't.
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The authoritarian left is no longer liberal. They suppress, censor, demonize, and even imprison political opponents and those with opposing views, which is the opposite of liberal. You're right, this is definitely not your father's democrat party.

The political elite on the left have openly talked about nationalizing / federalizing policing as well as elections and of course health care. They want federal laws in DC and federal police like the FBI to control everything in your life. This is pulling as far away from a representative republic of states to full communist government as you can. They are calling for an estimated 40 million illegal immigrants already here to have "amnesty" and actively and openly inviting millions and millions and millions of new citizens to waltz across our border unfettered to ensure they never lose elections again, just knowing that nearly all of their ballots can be collected for the free handout welfare state government-dependent socialist/communist party. The 60% of the population who already don't pay taxes and leach of government free handouts will soon be 80%. They are intentionally taxing and spending like they adore Hugo Chavez and think what he and Maduro have done with their country is the way to go. Good bye middle class. You're your government's enemy now, but it's okay, you won't exist soon. They have used fear of a scamdemic to change national elections to their advantage in an ez fraud system with no accountability forever. They openly talk about permanent authoritarian power grabs such as expanding and packing the courts and adding DC and/or PR as states. They'll do what they can to amend the constitution and eliminate one of the tools they used the most when they weren't in power - the filibuster. They want to get rid of all checks and balances and our permanent government bureaucracies are on their side because bigger and bigger government and higher taxes on citizens is good for their job security and their Christmas bonuses. They are using their control and influence on social media platforms and in their MSM propaganda arm to belittle and demonize all who oppose them - the people who want smaller government, less spending, and lower taxes are of course all racist, and far right wing extremists, and the greatest threat to "our democracy"- greater than ISIS or Al Qaeda - comes from domestic terrorism from them, but only f you ignore your lying eye and disregard all stats and evidence to the contrary.

So **** em and **** their climate alarmism, their anti-procreation propagation and promotion of baby killing, homosex, gender surgeries, child grooming, and their complete elimination of god and religion. - negative population growth won't change the whether and hedonism won't help anyone in hell. And **** their communist "equity", anti-merit, pre-determined outcome Marxist movements and their identity politics. **** teaching certain kids to be ashamed and guilty and certain other kids to be entitled victims based on how they look.
Stringfellow Hawke
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Career politicians. Time for term limits and no salary.
samurai_science
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Your graph is wrong, the "Authoritarian Right" was still LEFT WING.



Slicer97
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Simple version?

There are those of us that believe in a strict interpretation of the Constitution and the restrictions it places upon federal government and then there's the rest that need to go on a helicopter ride.
Htownag11
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197361936
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BG Knocc Out said:

My personal enemy, and who I see as the biggest enemy and threat to this nation, is EVERY MODERN LIBERAL. It has become a warped and deviant anti-American religion that seeks to tear away at the traditional American fabric as much as possible. And as rapidly as possible.


It always happens.

Vietnam War? Protest it.

9/11? Start a campaign to befriend Muslims.

Prayer in schools? Protest it.

Any history class that teaches anything positive about The USA? Protest it/ban it.

The American Flag? Burn it.

Police? Defund them.

Sexual Deviancy? Teach it to their children, and attack them when THEY Protest.

Sending classified documents from unsecured servers? If it's a democrat give them a pass.

Purchasing guns illegaly, using political office ONLY for personal enrichment? Give em another pass if it's a democrat.

The list goes on, and on, and on...
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IndividualFreedom
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So much wrong with that OP post.....

Libertarian Left is an oxymoron and can not exist. There is a zero % chance you can call yourself a Libertarian and then vote for the democrat party.

Please provide an example of Authoritarian Right.

Authoritarian Left is the democrat party.
American Hardwood
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Regarding the graph:

The problem is, people want to live their lives below the equator in libertarian land.

But, they want to elect people above the equator to force the people to all live in either the east or the west hemisphere according to their personal beliefs.

The people elected above the equator despise the people below the equator because the people below the equator are too stupid to see the value of living above the equator according to their personal beliefs.

So, the people above the equator make damn sure they stay above the equator and crush the people below the equator to make sure that happens.

ETA:

In other words, People below the equator concern themselves about value of the east and the west. While people above the hemisphere concern themselves about solely about subjugating those below the equator while those people are scratching their heads wondering what happened to their libertarian lifestyles.
BG Knocc Out
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American Hardwood said:

Regarding the graph:

The problem is, people want to live their lives below the equator in libertarian land.

But, they want to elect people above the equator to force the people to all live in either the east or the west hemisphere according to their personal beliefs.

The people elected above the equator despise the people below the equator because the people below the equator are too stupid to see the value of living above the equator according to their personal beliefs.

So, the people above the equator make damn sure they stay above the equator and crush the people below the equator to make sure that happens.

ETA:

In other words, People below the equator concern themselves about value of the east and the west. While people above the hemisphere concern themselves about solely about subjugating those below the equator while those people are scratching their heads wondering what happened to their libertarian lifestyles.

Aside from wanting to protect unborn human life as much as we protect turtle eggs, and not wanting children to be groomed, almost 100% of the right just wants to be left alone and leave others alone.

You can't say the same thing about the left with a straight face. Not even remotely.

Hell, per Rasmussen polls, in 2021:

- Half of them wanted anyone who "questioned the efficacy of the "vaccine"" or "spread misinformation" fined or imprisoned.
- 60% wanted the unvaxxed forcibly quarantined or imprisoned until they complied.
- 85% wanted the unvaccinated fired and fr their families to suffer for choosing to make their owne medical decisions.
- 30% wanted their children taken away until they complied.

I am sorry but I can't take anyone seriously who brings up "but but conservatives/republicans do xxx..." in any conversation around the outright lunacy and tyrannical nature of the left.
American Hardwood
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BG Knocc Out said:

American Hardwood said:

Regarding the graph:

The problem is, people want to live their lives below the equator in libertarian land.

But, they want to elect people above the equator to force the people to all live in either the east or the west hemisphere according to their personal beliefs.

The people elected above the equator despise the people below the equator because the people below the equator are too stupid to see the value of living above the equator according to their personal beliefs.

So, the people above the equator make damn sure they stay above the equator and crush the people below the equator to make sure that happens.

ETA:

In other words, People below the equator concern themselves about value of the east and the west. While people above the hemisphere concern themselves about solely about subjugating those below the equator while those people are scratching their heads wondering what happened to their libertarian lifestyles.

Aside from wanting to protect unborn human life as much as we protect turtle eggs, and not wanting children to be groomed, almost 100% of the right just wants to be left alone and leave others alone.

You can't say the same thing about the left with a straight face. Not even remotely.

Hell, per Rasmussen polls, in 2021:

- Half of them wanted anyone who "questioned the efficacy of the "vaccine"" or "spread misinformation" fined or imprisoned.
- 60% wanted the unvaxxed forcibly quarantined or imprisoned until they complied.
- 85% wanted the unvaccinated fired and fr their families to suffer for choosing to make their owne medical decisions.
- 30% wanted their children taken away until they complied.

I am sorry but I can't take anyone seriously who brings up "but but conservatives/republicans do xxx..." in any conversation around the outright lunacy and tyrannical nature of the left.
In practice I agree with you. That's the way reality is. There are very few in the 'libertarian left'. I think the last of them might have been certain segments of the hippie population. Most of the left moved north of the equator a long time ago, while most of the right still lives below the equator.

But the OP question was about the concept of it, and that is what I responded to. I think there used to be liberals that were more libertarian and wanted to live with their freedoms. They just had different ideas about what those freedoms should be, thus the argument between the east and west hemispheres. While leftists were quick to move north into authoritarian land the right is fundamentally reluctant to do so. But I think the right will have to get there too to a degree because freedom and liberty are luxuries that come at a price you have to pay every so often to maintain it. We are rapidly approaching that point.
CDUB98
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IndividualFreedom said:

Please provide an example of Authoritarian Right.
See TheEternalPessimist's post at 0959 above.
Get Off My Lawn
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The Authoritarian Left is going in dry because the Libertarian Right and Libertarian Left as doing nothing to stop them. This is creating a rise in the Authoritarian Right.
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Ol_Ag_02 said:

Both repubs and dems are mostly just authoritarians of a different stripe.

Hell there's significant group around here that wants to criminalize adultery, criminalize consenting adult homosexuals, and end women's suffrage. They use fun little quotes like "the constitution was only designed for a moral people". Just a different version of the time tested method of dehumanizing your opposition. And they think they're the good guys.

Authoritarians of both stripes suck. It's not just the evil ones on the left.


This is hillarious, and gaslighting.

At least in 2023 gaslighting is easy to spot. During covid it was a pain to identify & exclude from the decision making process.
Anyone who chooses to ride a bicycle in the street is a threat to themselves, and others. If a vehicle strikes you accidentally, YOU are at fault; and the laws of physics supercede all else when you're in the path of a 2 ton killing machine. Know your place, stay off the road.
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Slicer97 said:

Simple version?

There are those of us that believe in a strict interpretation of the Constitution and the restrictions it places upon federal government and then there's the rest that need to go on a helicopter ride.
Sure, but it allows women, ne-groes, and non-net income tax payers to vote.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
Get Off My Lawn
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B-1 83 said:

Slicer97 said:

Simple version?

There are those of us that believe in a strict interpretation of the Constitution and the restrictions it places upon federal government and then there's the rest that need to go on a helicopter ride.
Sure, but it allows women, ne-groes, and non-net income tax payers to vote.
A case can be made that over half of the post BOR constitutional amendments were detrimentally written, administrative, or net negatives.

Our founding fathers knew what they were doing. Subsequent politicians thought higher of themselves than they should have.

ETA: in the same way Jews consider the Torah to be higher than other books - I consider the Founder's constitution to be of a higher order than subsequent amendments (which should all be evaluated for merit individually and critically).
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