Texaggie7nine said:

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This is a good piece by Matthew Yglesias that sifts out a large issue with why so many conservative "black" Americans still won't vote R.

I know much of the alt-right light type people are happy to never consider winning the "black" vote. Regular conservatives seemed to just have accepted that they will not get it, however if we want a chance at actually winning large cities and taking back control of streets rather than just be emo fatalists and say the only answer is to "move out of cities!" then conservatives need to seriously consider these types of issues with the "black" American perspective in mind.

There are millions of voters out there who share just about every other perspective with conservatives and the GOP but will never cross that line because of one issue category. It can change and "conservative" values don't have to be sacrificed.

Tim Scott's wise words

The message conservatives don't want to hear about anti-Black racism
https://www.slowboring.com/p/tim-scotts-wise-words

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To the extent this is true, it's a shame and a losing strategy.

A meaningful segment of the black and Hispanic communities share conservative social values surrounding faith and family and want no part of the current progressive left social agenda. The fact that the GOP has not done a better job of reaching these communities based on the shared social values (especially faith) is inexcusable considering how anti-God the left has become.

Blacks and Hispanics need to understand that they shouldn't be counted on to vote D in lock-step. They need to understand the critical role they can play (independently) with their vote in supporting conservative social values. This is the common ground the GOP should be hammering.

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The article's summary is that conservatives can win with a message of a colorblind society, but they have to show minorities that they are actually interested in that, including policing.

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We are past people wanting a color blind society. What they really mean is they want a system where pigments in your skin gets you preferential treatment in every aspect of life.

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I think this is only partially true. They do believe now that pigment should get you different treatment, but I don't think they see it as preferential. They have convinced they are so far behind that everything they get in terms of policy and welfare is to just catch up. They have been so poorly educated and lied to that they don't understand that getting government money and punishing people wrongly perceived as their enemy aren't the rewards of living in the actual American system. Liberty and the freedom to make their own way in life regardless of the circumstances of birth is the reward, but the don't see it because of the lies. American liberty is truly a rare thing in the history of the world and it is unfortunate how little it is appreciated.

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Most in my opinion don't want to hear that truth.
They should not be excused any longer for voting for their own misery!

Just for example in Sheila Jackson Lees district she has had many good black democrat primary challengers who actually could have improved things a lot. The majority by a mile voted to keep the same of what they have been getting. All from a woman that doesn't even live in the S hole district she helped create.

The truth is not wanted. What is wanted is who is for the biggest handouts and who is going to fight the non pigmented people the most.

It's sad for the small percentage that don't see it the same way but the large 90% isn't changing.

When I see these threads I always think of Ice Cube's song "Us" from almost 30 years ago and how nothing has changed. But, white people/conservatives need to 'do something'…

Blacks vote Dem because it gives them an advantage, either thru racial quotas, aid programs or $$$. They are a favored and protected class as long as Dems are in charge. It's like asking a junkie who he prefers, his dealer or a cop.

TexAgs91 said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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This is a good piece by Matthew Yglesias that sifts out a large issue with why so many conservative "black" Americans still won't vote R.

I know much of the alt-right light type people are happy to never consider winning the "black" vote.

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First of all you bring up "alt-right light" types of people. alt-right was marxist's attempts of casting every day right wing conservatives as something sinister. Their word play has apparently worked on you, or do you have some evidence of the magnitude of this so-called alt-right light group?

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They post on this very site. They bring up genetics in voting patterns. They don't support mixed relationships. They want immigration stopped completely or limited to white euros. They come back under new accounts every few months because they keep getting banned.

Texaggie7nine said:

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This is a good piece by Matthew Yglesias that sifts out a large issue with why so many conservative "black" Americans still won't vote R.

I know much of the alt-right light type people are happy to never consider winning the "black" vote. Regular conservatives seemed to just have accepted that they will not get it, however if we want a chance at actually winning large cities and taking back control of streets rather than just be emo fatalists and say the only answer is to "move out of cities!" then conservatives need to seriously consider these types of issues with the "black" American perspective in mind.

There are millions of voters out there who share just about every other perspective with conservatives and the GOP but will never cross that line because of one issue category. It can change and "conservative" values don't have to be sacrificed.

Tim Scott's wise words

The message conservatives don't want to hear about anti-Black racism
https://www.slowboring.com/p/tim-scotts-wise-words

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This is a terrible post.

Texags is not about building teasers.

You get zero points, and God have mercy on your soul.

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Blacks vote Dem because it gives them an advantage, either thru racial quotas, aid programs or $$$. They are a favored and protected class as long as Dems are in charge. It's like asking a junkie who he prefers, his dealer or a cop.

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But that's the trick. Are Dems really giving them an advantage? Yes, on the surface. No, when you look deeper over the course of time. It's a sad state of affairs when the lies win. And I don't know of a group of people that have been lied too more often, more severely than black Americans. And the real shame of it is how many black Americans have participated in the lies for their own empowerment. That. of course, does not excuse the white liberals and leftists that are the champions of the lies.

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Sorry, but we need to throw away any effort to attract the black vote. Complete waste of time...plus, they will only listen if you abandon principles and fake-pander to them and promise them liberalism (handouts, endless promises of handouts etc). That community is broken...decades of liberalism has all but destroyed it entirely. There are almost zero fathers in the black urban neighborhoods and you will never win over the mothers. I don't think black men really even vote in significant numbers.

We need to go all in on the culture war and exposing/highlighting/illustrating the deviancy, perversion and wickedness of the left. This is how you win Latinos, Asians,/Indians, and Muslims. They largely don't want teachers discussing sexuality and gender with their 7-8 yr old children behind their backs. Urban black women don't give a sh** about their childrens' education or what they are being taught in schools.

Hate to say it, but forget the black vote. You'll never win them over to any significant degree.

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This type of absolute view is pretty short sighted. Yes, the social fabric of the black community has been devastated by the left's policies, particularly in urban areas and with younger generations. But historically, the black community has deep religious roots that have certainly not been fully eroded and should be seen (and communicated) as a common ground with social conservatives.

I have more in common with a black evangelical than I do with a suburban white liberal. They should feel the same way. There is a reason the left only wants people to see color rather than vote independently based on their own social values.

Texaggie7nine said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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This is a good piece by Matthew Yglesias that sifts out a large issue with why so many conservative "black" Americans still won't vote R.

I know much of the alt-right light type people are happy to never consider winning the "black" vote.

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First of all you bring up "alt-right light" types of people. alt-right was marxist's attempts of casting every day right wing conservatives as something sinister. Their word play has apparently worked on you, or do you have some evidence of the magnitude of this so-called alt-right light group?

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They post on this very site. They bring up genetics in voting patterns. They don't support mixed relationships. They want immigration stopped completely or limited to white euros. They come back under new accounts every few months because they keep getting banned.

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One or two idiots does not a community make.

Free speech and all. We all call out idiotic racist comments, but it's their right to be idiots and voice their idiotic opinions.

Texaggie7nine said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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This is a good piece by Matthew Yglesias that sifts out a large issue with why so many conservative "black" Americans still won't vote R.

I know much of the alt-right light type people are happy to never consider winning the "black" vote.

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First of all you bring up "alt-right light" types of people. alt-right was marxist's attempts of casting every day right wing conservatives as something sinister. Their word play has apparently worked on you, or do you have some evidence of the magnitude of this so-called alt-right light group?

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They post on this very site. They bring up genetics in voting patterns. They don't support mixed relationships. They want immigration stopped completely or limited to white euros. They come back under new accounts every few months because they keep getting banned.

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They? It might be one person who keeps getting banned. Is there any evidence this is a significant faction?

All of the whataboutism and misdirection on this thread is to be expected.

It's a pretty simple concept. There are conservative "black" voices out there like Tim Scott, and many voters who refuse to take the step over into voting GOP because of the very type of complaints that Tim Scott has given up. Those of himself and people he knows that have throughout life, up to this very day gotten stopped for simply being "black" in nice areas or nice cars.

The point fleshed out by Matthew is that many nonblack conservatives have written off the unfairness of this fact by relying on non-partial or non-biased statistics and basically justifying it in their minds with "statistics don't lie" and we need to follow them.

Even on this thread the blame is hoisted on bad acting "black" people as the only culprit causing police to unfairly stop "black" people for the color of their skin in juxtaposition to the scenario they are in. Apparently, non criminal "blacks", who, mind you, are STATISTIALLY the vast majority of "black" Americans, are to only expect fair treatment once the problem with violence and crime is fixed in the "black community". Basically the take of "well sucks to be you, fix your community."

This is how many "black" Americans who otherwise would vote R see the mindset of the majority of conservative non "black" Americans and they want no part of it.

Sure there are much less hostile takes that still don't want to do anything about unfair profiling. A more "well what can you do? I mean, the statistics are what they are". Even still this is not something many conservative "black" Americans can accept.

My proposal is not to "go after" the black vote.

Have a platform based on principle. One of those principles should be color blindness, because talking about racism where none exists just makes it worse.

If black people believe in the platform, they will participate.

Let the dems pander and patronize these people. They will eventually figure it out.

For a good analysis on this issue, I recommend Sowell's "Conflict of Visions", Really good insight from one of America's greatest philosophers.

The truth that conservatives need to face is that ALL POLITICS IS PATRONAGE.

Blacks vote with the democrat coalition of the dysgenic for one reason and one reason only- they materially benefit. Unless and until the GOP figures this out and starts handing out money and resources to their constituents in return for loyalty this is all a lost cause.

From Julius Caesar to Jim Clyburn, this is an iron law of politics.

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Sorry, but we need to throw away any effort to attract the black vote. Complete waste of time...plus, they will only listen if you abandon principles and fake-pander to them and promise them liberalism (handouts, endless promises of handouts etc). That community is broken...decades of liberalism has all but destroyed it entirely. There are almost zero fathers in the black urban neighborhoods and you will never win over the mothers. I don't think black men really even vote in significant numbers.

We need to go all in on the culture war and exposing/highlighting/illustrating the deviancy, perversion and wickedness of the left. This is how you win Latinos, Asians,/Indians, and Muslims. They largely don't want teachers discussing sexuality and gender with their 7-8 yr old children behind their backs. Urban black women don't give a sh** about their childrens' education or what they are being taught in schools.

Hate to say it, but forget the black vote. You'll never win them over to any significant degree.

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This type of absolute view is pretty short sighted. Yes, the social fabric of the black community has been devastated by the left's policies, particularly in urban areas and with younger generations. But historically, the black community has deep religious roots that have certainly not been fully eroded and should be seen (and communicated) as a common ground with social conservatives.

I have more in common with a black evangelical than I do with a suburban white liberal. They should feel the same way. There is a reason the left only wants people to see color rather than vote independently based on their own social values.

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Same here. But I would argue that conservative/GOP leaders have tried and they aren't listening. Black church leaders (aside from a few free thinking one-offs) are tied at the hip to the NAACP, and other race-baiting leftist organizations.

IMO, focusing on ethnic groups with nuclear families largely intact is the way to go. Asians, Indians, Middle Easterners etc. When you have children and a man of the house, there is far more awareness and genuine concern for the future of the country...much more at stake. Hell, I had more of a "let it all burn" mentality before I hade my daughter, and now I could not be more genuinely concerned over the world she will likely inhabit. We need to show these groups that liberals are ANTI-FAMILY in every way, and Conservatives are PRO-FAMILY and want to preserve the things that made them, or their forefathers want to leave everything behind to come her in the first place.

I used to be somewhat optimistic that over time, you could open their eyes to see this, but I have lost all hope.

Sounds a lot like something an authoritarian that just wants to get his from government and isn't interested in actual principled liberty and justice would say.

"Politics is about asserting your morality and authority over those not in your tribe".

I don't think the statistics are biased. You have many different people from every part of the political spectrum that come to the same conclusion when looking at the statistics. Sam Harris to Ben Shapiro is a pretty broad political range to reach the same conclusions.

The point is that telling black people that it's actually their fault is not a winning message. Telling them it's their responsibility to clean up the situations white democrats tricked them into us the is not a winning one. The Republican Party should stop focusing on race at all, except to point out how racial politics have just made black communities worse, and here are our policies to address blight in every impoverished community, regardless of skin color.

Focus on individualism, job creation, ease of travel, and liberty.

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All of the whataboutism and misdirection on this thread is to be expected.

It's a pretty simple concept. There are conservative "black" voices out there like Tim Scott, and many voters who refuse to take the step over into voting GOP because of the very type of complaints that Tim Scott has given up. Those of himself and people he knows that have throughout life, up to this very day gotten stopped for simply being "black" in nice areas or nice cars.

The point fleshed out by Matthew is that many nonblack conservatives have written off the unfairness of this fact by relying on non-partial or biased statistics and basically justifying it in their minds with "statistics don't lie" and we need to follow them.

Even on this thread the blame is hoisted on bad acting "black" people as the only culprit causing police to unfairly stop "black" people for the color of their skin in juxtaposition to the scenario they are in. Apparently, non criminal "blacks", who, mind you, are STATISTIALLY the vast majority of "black" Americans, are to only expect fair treatment once the problem with violence and crime is fixed in the "black community". Basically the take of "well sucks to be you, fix your community."

This is how many "black" Americans who otherwise would vote R see the mindset of the majority of conservative non "black" Americans and they want no part of it.

Sure there are much less hostile takes that still don't want to do anything about unfair profiling. A more "well what can you do? I mean, the statistics are what they are". Even still this is not something many conservative "black" Americans can accept.

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TL;DR - Math is racist.

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Focus on individualism and liberty.

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Exactly. What about what you just said speaks to individualism and liberty for Tim Scott when he tells us how he has been unfairly stopped and questioned continually throughout his life, even in DC?

"Statistics" doesn't trump Individual Liberty.

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Even on this thread the blame is hoisted on bad acting "black" people as the only culprit causing police to unfairly stop "black" people for the color of their skin in juxtaposition to the scenario they are in. Apparently, non criminal "blacks", who, mind you, are STATISTIALLY the vast majority of "black" Americans, are to only expect fair treatment once the problem with violence and crime is fixed in the "black community". Basically the take of "well sucks to be you, fix your community."

This is how many "black" Americans who otherwise would vote R see the mindset of the majority of conservative non "black" Americans and they want no part of it.

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I don't care, we don't need them, we are fine with the free thinking blacks that see through all of the BS that we currently have. We need other ethnicities to ensure long term stability and victories.

It does kind of "suck to be them" in terms of good law abiding black people. But damn, it's not about the color of their skin. If Asians, out of the blue, started committing a vastly disproportionate amount of violent crimes, the spotlight would be more on them. We would all keep our heads on a swivel around them in general, including cops. But you know what? Asians have less to worry about that whites do in terms of potential profiling or mistreatment from cops...because they have their sh** more together than we do and commit far less crime...and I am fine with that.

I believe something like 7-8% of the population (black males and some females) commit like 50-60% of the homicides and violent crime? That is INSANE.

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Sorry, but we need to throw away any effort to attract the black vote. Complete waste of time...plus, they will only listen if you abandon principles and fake-pander to them and promise them liberalism (handouts, endless promises of handouts etc). That community is broken...decades of liberalism has all but destroyed it entirely. There are almost zero fathers in the black urban neighborhoods and you will never win over the mothers. I don't think black men really even vote in significant numbers.

We need to go all in on the culture war and exposing/highlighting/illustrating the deviancy, perversion and wickedness of the left. This is how you win Latinos, Asians,/Indians, and Muslims. They largely don't want teachers discussing sexuality and gender with their 7-8 yr old children behind their backs. Urban black women don't give a sh** about their childrens' education or what they are being taught in schools.

Hate to say it, but forget the black vote. You'll never win them over to any significant degree.

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This type of absolute view is pretty short sighted. Yes, the social fabric of the black community has been devastated by the left's policies, particularly in urban areas and with younger generations. But historically, the black community has deep religious roots that have certainly not been fully eroded and should be seen (and communicated) as a common ground with social conservatives.

I have more in common with a black evangelical than I do with a suburban white liberal. They should feel the same way. There is a reason the left only wants people to see color rather than vote independently based on their own social values.

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In the early 2000's a majority of black voters in California voted against gay marriage. Black pastors were very conservative.

Obama literally ended that.

They sold their morals out for pigmented skin plain and simple. They could partially be excused the first time but they did it again in 2012.

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Texaggie7nine said:

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All of the whataboutism and misdirection on this thread is to be expected.

It's a pretty simple concept. There are conservative "black" voices out there like Tim Scott, and many voters who refuse to take the step over into voting GOP because of the very type of complaints that Tim Scott has given up. Those of himself and people he knows that have throughout life, up to this very day gotten stopped for simply being "black" in nice areas or nice cars.

The point fleshed out by Matthew is that many nonblack conservatives have written off the unfairness of this fact by relying on non-partial or biased statistics and basically justifying it in their minds with "statistics don't lie" and we need to follow them.

Even on this thread the blame is hoisted on bad acting "black" people as the only culprit causing police to unfairly stop "black" people for the color of their skin in juxtaposition to the scenario they are in. Apparently, non criminal "blacks", who, mind you, are STATISTIALLY the vast majority of "black" Americans, are to only expect fair treatment once the problem with violence and crime is fixed in the "black community". Basically the take of "well sucks to be you, fix your community."

This is how many "black" Americans who otherwise would vote R see the mindset of the majority of conservative non "black" Americans and they want no part of it.

Sure there are much less hostile takes that still don't want to do anything about unfair profiling. A more "well what can you do? I mean, the statistics are what they are". Even still this is not something many conservative "black" Americans can accept.

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TL;DR - Math is racist.

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Oh, stopping someone because of the color of their skin is MATH. mmkay

Texaggie7nine said:

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Sounds a lot like something an authoritarian that just wants to get his from government and isn't interested in actual principled liberty and justice would say.

"Politics is about asserting your morality and authority over those not in your tribe".

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Not sure what rock you've been under, but Rebel E is a proud Catholic authoritarian. He does not believe in liberty and freedom.

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Texaggie7nine said:

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Even on this thread the blame is hoisted on bad acting "black" people as the only culprit causing police to unfairly stop "black" people for the color of their skin in juxtaposition to the scenario they are in. Apparently, non criminal "blacks", who, mind you, are STATISTIALLY the vast majority of "black" Americans, are to only expect fair treatment once the problem with violence and crime is fixed in the "black community". Basically the take of "well sucks to be you, fix your community."

This is how many "black" Americans who otherwise would vote R see the mindset of the majority of conservative non "black" Americans and they want no part of it.

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I don't care, we don't need them, we are fine with the free thinking blacks that see through all of the BS that we currently have. We need other ethnicities to ensure long term stability and victories.

It does kind of "suck to be them" in terms of good law abiding black people. But damn, it's not about the color of their skin. If Asians, out of the blue, started committing a vastly disproportionate amount of violent crimes, the spotlight would be more on them. We would all keep our heads on a swivel around them in general, including cops. But you know what? Asians have less to worry about that whites do in terms of potential profiling or mistreatment from cops...because they have their sh** more together than we do and commit far less crime...and I am fine with that.

I believe something like 7-8% of the population (black males and some females) commit like 50-60% of the homicides and violent crime? That is INSANE.

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I'm not fine with that. I'm fine with rule of law and liberty. Innocent until proven guilty and not being subject to suspicion based on skin color or race.

We DO need "black" conservative votes if we ever want to get republicans in charge in large cities. Large cities ultimately are what will control politics nationally.

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Texaggie7nine said:

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All of the whataboutism and misdirection on this thread is to be expected.

It's a pretty simple concept. There are conservative "black" voices out there like Tim Scott, and many voters who refuse to take the step over into voting GOP because of the very type of complaints that Tim Scott has given up. Those of himself and people he knows that have throughout life, up to this very day gotten stopped for simply being "black" in nice areas or nice cars.

The point fleshed out by Matthew is that many nonblack conservatives have written off the unfairness of this fact by relying on non-partial or biased statistics and basically justifying it in their minds with "statistics don't lie" and we need to follow them.

Even on this thread the blame is hoisted on bad acting "black" people as the only culprit causing police to unfairly stop "black" people for the color of their skin in juxtaposition to the scenario they are in. Apparently, non criminal "blacks", who, mind you, are STATISTIALLY the vast majority of "black" Americans, are to only expect fair treatment once the problem with violence and crime is fixed in the "black community". Basically the take of "well sucks to be you, fix your community."

This is how many "black" Americans who otherwise would vote R see the mindset of the majority of conservative non "black" Americans and they want no part of it.

Sure there are much less hostile takes that still don't want to do anything about unfair profiling. A more "well what can you do? I mean, the statistics are what they are". Even still this is not something many conservative "black" Americans can accept.

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TL;DR - Math is racist.

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Oh, stopping someone because of the color of their skin is MATH. mmkay

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I really do not buy into this being as prevalent as black men (even the Tim Scotts) will lead you to believe. They have almost been generationally conditioned to believe that if a cop is an a-hole to them, or if they were pulled over for something questionable, it 100% had to have been because they were black. But i would say this has happened to most of us. I have encountered some real a-hole cops who treated me like crap, but also some great ones. I have been pulled over for BS stuff too...if I was black, i would likely assume racism.

If this is still a "thing", driving while black, it is very rare.

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I believe something like 7-8% of the population (black males and some females) commit like 50-60% of the homicides and violent crime? That is INSANE.

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And YET, it is still a single digit percent of that population that commits crime. What is INSANE is expecting over 90% of a population to just be ok with unfair suspicion and treatment because of a small percentage.

I understand the point you are making, I'm just saying that implying the statistics aren't true is dishonest.

Your point (or at least the authors) is that saying "it's the blacks communities fault for the injustices that happen and the statistics show it," doesn't help win anyone over to your side. It definitely doesn't help with the message of wanting a color-blind society.

The republicans have an opportunity to get black voters to realize they have more in common with them than the Dems, but they need to focus on colorblind issues like attacking urban and rural poverty, blight, lack of education, etc.

They also need to take the Dems to task on the failures of big city politics leading to worse outcomes on poverty, crime, etc.

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I believe something like 7-8% of the population (black males and some females) commit like 50-60% of the homicides and violent crime? That is INSANE.

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And YET, it is still a single digit percent of that population that commits crime. What is INSANE is expecting over 90% of a population to just be ok with unfair suspicion and treatment because of a small percentage.

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Geez, you act like Gestapo is going around shaking black people down for no reason. I don't buy it, sorry. I think it is WAYYY exaggerated at the very least.

One thing a large % of blacks do though, based on my experience in Houston, is drive around openly blazing cannabis, sometimes with children in the car. That'll get you pulled over and skew the stats. You gotta hide that sh**, but I can't believe how brazen so many of them are with it...you're begging to give a cop PC.

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Texaggie7nine said:

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All of the whataboutism and misdirection on this thread is to be expected.

It's a pretty simple concept. There are conservative "black" voices out there like Tim Scott, and many voters who refuse to take the step over into voting GOP because of the very type of complaints that Tim Scott has given up. Those of himself and people he knows that have throughout life, up to this very day gotten stopped for simply being "black" in nice areas or nice cars.

The point fleshed out by Matthew is that many nonblack conservatives have written off the unfairness of this fact by relying on non-partial or biased statistics and basically justifying it in their minds with "statistics don't lie" and we need to follow them.

Even on this thread the blame is hoisted on bad acting "black" people as the only culprit causing police to unfairly stop "black" people for the color of their skin in juxtaposition to the scenario they are in. Apparently, non criminal "blacks", who, mind you, are STATISTIALLY the vast majority of "black" Americans, are to only expect fair treatment once the problem with violence and crime is fixed in the "black community". Basically the take of "well sucks to be you, fix your community."

This is how many "black" Americans who otherwise would vote R see the mindset of the majority of conservative non "black" Americans and they want no part of it.

Sure there are much less hostile takes that still don't want to do anything about unfair profiling. A more "well what can you do? I mean, the statistics are what they are". Even still this is not something many conservative "black" Americans can accept.

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TL;DR - Math is racist.

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Oh, stopping someone because of the color of their skin is MATH. mmkay

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I really do not buy into this being as prevalent as black men (even the Tim Scotts) will lead you to believe. They have almost been generationally conditioned to believe that if a cop is an a-hole to them, or if they were pulled over for something questionable, it 100% had to have been because they were black. But i would say this has happened to most of us. I have encountered some real a-hole cops who treated me like crap, but also some great ones. I have been pulled over for BS stuff too...if I was black, i would likely assume racism.

If this is still a "thing", driving while black, it is very rare.

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Completely 100% agree with this. Literally every single recorded instance of police brutality ALWAYS started with the perpetrator doing something criminal and breaking the law. Acting in a way that would get ANYONE stopped, no matter the color of your skin. Every single time. This idea that blacks are being unfairly stopped and harassed is nonsense.

Brittmoore Car Club said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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BusterAg said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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All of the whataboutism and misdirection on this thread is to be expected.

It's a pretty simple concept. There are conservative "black" voices out there like Tim Scott, and many voters who refuse to take the step over into voting GOP because of the very type of complaints that Tim Scott has given up. Those of himself and people he knows that have throughout life, up to this very day gotten stopped for simply being "black" in nice areas or nice cars.

The point fleshed out by Matthew is that many nonblack conservatives have written off the unfairness of this fact by relying on non-partial or biased statistics and basically justifying it in their minds with "statistics don't lie" and we need to follow them.

Even on this thread the blame is hoisted on bad acting "black" people as the only culprit causing police to unfairly stop "black" people for the color of their skin in juxtaposition to the scenario they are in. Apparently, non criminal "blacks", who, mind you, are STATISTIALLY the vast majority of "black" Americans, are to only expect fair treatment once the problem with violence and crime is fixed in the "black community". Basically the take of "well sucks to be you, fix your community."

This is how many "black" Americans who otherwise would vote R see the mindset of the majority of conservative non "black" Americans and they want no part of it.

Sure there are much less hostile takes that still don't want to do anything about unfair profiling. A more "well what can you do? I mean, the statistics are what they are". Even still this is not something many conservative "black" Americans can accept.

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TL;DR - Math is racist.

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Oh, stopping someone because of the color of their skin is MATH. mmkay

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I really do not buy into this being as prevalent as black men (even the Tim Scotts) will lead you to believe. They have almost been generationally conditioned to believe that if a cop is an a-hole to them, or if they were pulled over for something questionable, it 100% had to have been because they were black. But i would say this has happened to most of us. I have encountered some real a-hole cops who treated me like crap, but also some great ones. I have been pulled over for BS stuff too...if I was black, i would likely assume racism.

If this is still a "thing", driving while black, it is very rare.

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I understand that sentiment. I watch a lot of Live PD and On Patrol live. I see all the "black" people stopped for legitimate reasons who cry "racism!". However, I have many "black" friends and people that I have spoken with who often tell me stories of being stopped in situations I have never been stopped in.

Yes, I've had Ahole cops. Yes I've been unfairly treated by cops (calling me boy, telling me I better not go faster then them on the road even if I'm still going under the speed limit, ect), however I've never been stopped over a very obviously made up reason like "didn't signal properly" or "flickering lic plate light". I haven't been approached by cops randomly asking me what I was doing.

Those are things some people have regularly had to deal with. Some even acknowledge they understand the motivations why they are, but it still is not something they think is justified.

The GOP literally freed black slaves and got the Civil Rights Act passed . . . and still, no more than 10% of blacks vote republican. The only way that changes is IF:

-Welfare is dramatically reformed, scrapped.
-Out of wedlock baby-making is de-incentivized.

That evil, conniving ******* LBJ was right.

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The article's summary is that conservatives can win with a message of a colorblind society, but they have to show minorities that they are actually interested in that, including policing.

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We are past people wanting a color blind society. What they really mean is they want a system where pigments in your skin gets you preferential treatment in every aspect of life.

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I think this is only partially true. They do believe now that pigment should get you different treatment, but I don't think they see it as preferential. They have convinced they are so far behind that everything they get in terms of policy and welfare is to just catch up. They have been so poorly educated and lied to that they don't understand that getting government money and punishing people wrongly perceived as their enemy aren't the rewards of living in the actual American system. Liberty and the freedom to make their own way in life regardless of the circumstances of birth is the reward, but the don't see it because of the lies. American liberty is truly a rare thing in the history of the world and it is unfortunate how little it is appreciated.

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The ladder for success via education is stacked so heavily in their favor. Make an effort to do average in school and you will go to college for free. It's that simple, but the mother must demand it from their kids. If you are an inner city black you need to leave. Find family somewhere else if needed. Move to a rural area, do something to save your kids.

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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All of the whataboutism and misdirection on this thread is to be expected.

It's a pretty simple concept. There are conservative "black" voices out there like Tim Scott, and many voters who refuse to take the step over into voting GOP because of the very type of complaints that Tim Scott has given up. Those of himself and people he knows that have throughout life, up to this very day gotten stopped for simply being "black" in nice areas or nice cars.

The point fleshed out by Matthew is that many nonblack conservatives have written off the unfairness of this fact by relying on non-partial or biased statistics and basically justifying it in their minds with "statistics don't lie" and we need to follow them.

Even on this thread the blame is hoisted on bad acting "black" people as the only culprit causing police to unfairly stop "black" people for the color of their skin in juxtaposition to the scenario they are in. Apparently, non criminal "blacks", who, mind you, are STATISTIALLY the vast majority of "black" Americans, are to only expect fair treatment once the problem with violence and crime is fixed in the "black community". Basically the take of "well sucks to be you, fix your community."

This is how many "black" Americans who otherwise would vote R see the mindset of the majority of conservative non "black" Americans and they want no part of it.

Sure there are much less hostile takes that still don't want to do anything about unfair profiling. A more "well what can you do? I mean, the statistics are what they are". Even still this is not something many conservative "black" Americans can accept.

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TL;DR - Math is racist.

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Oh, stopping someone because of the color of their skin is MATH. mmkay

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I really do not buy into this being as prevalent as black men (even the Tim Scotts) will lead you to believe. They have almost been generationally conditioned to believe that if a cop is an a-hole to them, or if they were pulled over for something questionable, it 100% had to have been because they were black. But i would say this has happened to most of us. I have encountered some real a-hole cops who treated me like crap, but also some great ones. I have been pulled over for BS stuff too...if I was black, i would likely assume racism.

If this is still a "thing", driving while black, it is very rare.

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However, I have many "black" friends and people that I have spoken with who often tell me stories of being stopped in situations I have never been stopped in.

I haven't been approached by cops randomly asking me what I was doing.

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Regarding the bolded portion, I really do not believe this happens, not to a significant degree. If so, it is extraordinarily rare that cops just approach random black males and ask what they are doing or try to harass them in any way. From my observations (I have black buds who have said similar things), I think that, sadly, many people just want to be perceived as victims, or as having more of an uphill battle or struggle than everyone else had. I have fallen victim to this line of thinking in other ways too at times.

It's crazy how there is only a "driving while black" thing. Never hear a peep from urban latinos or any other groups, but virtually ALL black males you ask, will say that they have been pulled over just for being black. I believe tons of them have probably had a cop run their plates at a light or stop, and been pulled over for super petty sh** like expired registration or license...or maybe broken tail light...and they just assume, based on the decades long false narrative, that this doesn't happen to whites.

if cops are going around pulling over random black dudes just for fun, or as part of some overall policing strategy, it is very very rare. Hell, most cops I see nowadays aren't white.

Hungry Ojos said:

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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BusterAg said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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All of the whataboutism and misdirection on this thread is to be expected.

It's a pretty simple concept. There are conservative "black" voices out there like Tim Scott, and many voters who refuse to take the step over into voting GOP because of the very type of complaints that Tim Scott has given up. Those of himself and people he knows that have throughout life, up to this very day gotten stopped for simply being "black" in nice areas or nice cars.

The point fleshed out by Matthew is that many nonblack conservatives have written off the unfairness of this fact by relying on non-partial or biased statistics and basically justifying it in their minds with "statistics don't lie" and we need to follow them.

Even on this thread the blame is hoisted on bad acting "black" people as the only culprit causing police to unfairly stop "black" people for the color of their skin in juxtaposition to the scenario they are in. Apparently, non criminal "blacks", who, mind you, are STATISTIALLY the vast majority of "black" Americans, are to only expect fair treatment once the problem with violence and crime is fixed in the "black community". Basically the take of "well sucks to be you, fix your community."

This is how many "black" Americans who otherwise would vote R see the mindset of the majority of conservative non "black" Americans and they want no part of it.

Sure there are much less hostile takes that still don't want to do anything about unfair profiling. A more "well what can you do? I mean, the statistics are what they are". Even still this is not something many conservative "black" Americans can accept.

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TL;DR - Math is racist.

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Oh, stopping someone because of the color of their skin is MATH. mmkay

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I really do not buy into this being as prevalent as black men (even the Tim Scotts) will lead you to believe. They have almost been generationally conditioned to believe that if a cop is an a-hole to them, or if they were pulled over for something questionable, it 100% had to have been because they were black. But i would say this has happened to most of us. I have encountered some real a-hole cops who treated me like crap, but also some great ones. I have been pulled over for BS stuff too...if I was black, i would likely assume racism.

If this is still a "thing", driving while black, it is very rare.

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Completely 100% agree with this. Literally every single recorded instance of police brutality ALWAYS started with the perpetrator doing something criminal and breaking the law. Acting in a way that would get ANYONE stopped, no matter the color of your skin. Every single time. This idea that blacks are being unfairly stopped and harassed is nonsense.

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This is what is called ignoring facts. You just "feel" it's nonsense because reasons. No factual data given. Completely disregard for the fact that cops stop millions of people without there ever being incident. None of those you have seen on camera so you don't know the statistical reality of who is being stopped and questioned on the regular.

At least people who attempt to be fact based will argue that "well most stops are going to happen near high crime areas and those happen to have higher black populations so stop rates will skew towards them".

However there has been data that shows that for a fact the skew of stopping more "black" Americans for traffic stops goes down almost completely after dark, where it becomes more equalized to the population. What is the ONLY difference you are going to find from daytime to nighttime with regard to "race"? Ability to see the driver. So once cops cannot determine if the drive is "black", their racial demographics of stops goes level. It's only in daytime that it skews towards "black" Americans.

Again. Data doesn't lie. See above.