Journalists Are Asking Ukrainian Soldiers To Hide Their Nazi Patches, NYT Admits

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The New York Times has been forced to very, very belatedly deal with something which had long been obvious and knownto many independent analysts and media outlets, but which has been carefully shielded from the mainstream masses in the West for obvious reasons.

The surprising Monday Times headline said that "Nazi Symbols on Ukraine's Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History."This acknowledgement comes after literally years of primarily indy journalists and geopolitical commentators pointing out that yes indeed... Ukraine's military and paramilitary groups, especially those operating in the east since at least 2014, have a serious Nazi ideology problem. This has been exhaustively documented, again, going back years. But the report, which merely tries to downplay it as a "thorny issue" of Ukraine's "unique" "History" - suggests that the real problem for Western PR is fundamentally that it's being displayed so openly. Ukrainian troops are being asked to cover those Nazi symbols please!--as Matt Taibbi sarcastically quipped in commenting on the report.

The authors of the NYT report begin by expressing frustration over the optics of Nazi symbols being displayed so proudly on many Ukrainian soldiers' uniforms. Suggesting that many journalistic photographs which have in some cases been featured in newspapers and media outlets worldwide (typically coupled with generally positive articles on Ukraine's military) are merely 'unfortunate' or misleading, the NYT report says, "In each photograph, Ukrainians in uniform wore patches featuring symbols that were made notorious by Nazi Germany and have since become part of the iconography of far-right hate groups."

The report admits this has led to controversy wherein news rooms actually must delete some photos of Ukrainian soldiers and militants. "The photographs, and their deletions, highlight the Ukrainian military's complicated relationship with Nazi imagery, a relationship forged under both Soviet and German occupation during World War II," continues the report.


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/journalists-are-asking-ukrainian-soldiers-hide-their-nazi-patches-nyt-admits

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It makes perfect sense why our govt is funding them.
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The New York Times has been forced to very, very belatedly deal with something which had long been obvious and knownto many independent analysts and media outlets, but which has been carefully shielded from the mainstream masses in the West for obvious reasons.

The surprising Monday Times headline said that "Nazi Symbols on Ukraine's Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History."This acknowledgement comes after literally years of primarily indy journalists and geopolitical commentators pointing out that yes indeed... Ukraine's military and paramilitary groups, especially those operating in the east since at least 2014, have a serious Nazi ideology problem. This has been exhaustively documented, again, going back years. But the report, which merely tries to downplay it as a "thorny issue" of Ukraine's "unique" "History" - suggests that the real problem for Western PR is fundamentally that it's being displayed so openly. Ukrainian troops are being asked to cover those Nazi symbols please!--as Matt Taibbi sarcastically quipped in commenting on the report.

The authors of the NYT report begin by expressing frustration over the optics of Nazi symbols being displayed so proudly on many Ukrainian soldiers' uniforms. Suggesting that many journalistic photographs which have in some cases been featured in newspapers and media outlets worldwide (typically coupled with generally positive articles on Ukraine's military) are merely 'unfortunate' or misleading, the NYT report says, "In each photograph, Ukrainians in uniform wore patches featuring symbols that were made notorious by Nazi Germany and have since become part of the iconography of far-right hate groups."

The report admits this has led to controversy wherein news rooms actually must delete some photos of Ukrainian soldiers and militants. "The photographs, and their deletions, highlight the Ukrainian military's complicated relationship with Nazi imagery, a relationship forged under both Soviet and German occupation during World War II," continues the report.


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/journalists-are-asking-ukrainian-soldiers-hide-their-nazi-patches-nyt-admits

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But... but.... but.... I was called 'Putin fan boy' for pointing this out over a year ago........

It's ok for many of you to wake up and admit you have been bamboozled by the warmongering Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell types.

It's time for Zelensky to admit he has LOST the Donbas people's good will and the control of the land in that region and Crimea to Russia. The Kiev regime is NOT getting them back.
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Not a Bot
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Nazi Germany took a bunch of symbols like the swastika, the symmetrical cross, and various Norse and slavic symbols and put them on their uniforms.

Russian "volunteer" soldiers from Donbas wearing the same symbols:
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-mariupol-azov-nazi-1695125

Seems like it's more of a cultural thing in those regions.
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This is what they want you to nazi.
Krombopulos Michael
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We all know thats not going to happen. Fanboys are all in and nothing will change their minds. Especially the ones being paid to post pro-Ukrainian propaganda daily on the safe space thread.....
Rapier108
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Who cares? There are no good sides there.

Ukraine is a corrupt ****hole and Russia is an aggressive bully who is still butthurt over the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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Yeah... maybe... but also I've seen a lot of things called "nazi" by a lot of people. You know, like how people don't use the "ok" hand signal anymore?
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Not a Bot said:

Nazi Germany took a bunch of symbols like the swastika, the symmetrical cross, and various Norse and slavic symbols and put them on their uniforms.

Russian "volunteer" soldiers from Donbas wearing the same symbols:
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-mariupol-azov-nazi-1695125

Seems like it's more of a cultural thing in those regions.

Pretty sure rebel flags in the South is a "cultural thing" but it doesn't make it any less abhorrent.
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Don't care, killing commies
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Krombopulos Michael
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Not a Bot said:

Nazi Germany took a bunch of symbols like the swastika, the symmetrical cross, and various Norse and slavic symbols and put them on their uniforms.

Russian "volunteer" soldiers from Donbas wearing the same symbols:
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-mariupol-azov-nazi-1695125

Seems like it's more of a cultural thing in those regions.



yep such a wonderful culture....


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March 27, 2018
In The News
Rebecca Kheel
The Hill
A little-noticed provision in the 2,232-page government spending bill passed last week bans U.S. arms from going to a controversial ultranationalist militia in Ukraine that has openly accepted neo-Nazis into its ranks.
House-passed spending bills for the past three years have included a ban on U.S. aid to Ukraine from going to the Azov Battalion, but the provision was stripped out before final passage each year.

This year, though, the $1.3 trillion omnibus spending bill signed into law last week stipulates that "none of the funds made available by this act may be used to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion."
"White supremacy and neo-Nazism are unacceptable and have no place in our world," Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), an outspoken critic of providing lethal aid to Ukraine, said in a statement to The Hill on Tuesday. "I am very pleased that the recently passed omnibus prevents the U.S. from providing arms and training assistance to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion fighting in Ukraine."

The United States has been aiding and training Ukrainian forces in their fight against Russian-backed separatists since 2014, and recently expanded that aid to include arms. The omnibus includes about $620.7 million in aid for Ukraine, including $420.7 million in State Department and foreign operations funds and $200 million in Pentagon funds.

https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-the-news/congress-bans-arms-ukraine-militia-linked-neo-nazis


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NEO-NAZIS NOT TOP OF MIND FOR SENATE DEMOCRATS PUSHING WEAPONS FOR UKRAINE

February 18 2022, 12:50 p.m.
WHILE SENATE DEMOCRATS consider a way forward to send Ukraine hundreds of millions of dollars so it can buy new weapons, some of the most influential advocates are neglecting measures to make sure they don't wind up with the country's notorious neo-Nazis.

Last month, Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., introduced legislation to give Ukraine $500 million for arms purchases and impose what he's calledthe "mother of all sanctions" on Russia if it invades. The bill mandates a number of reports on U.S. defense equipment transfers and Russian intelligence threats as well as the expansion of American news propaganda. But it makes no mention of reports to oversee whether U.S weapons go to white supremacists like the Azov Battalion, a unit in the Ukrainian National Guard with ties to the country's far-right, ultranationalist National Corps party and Azov movement. Last year, Rep. Elissa Slotkin, D-Mich., called on Secretary of State Antony Blinken to label the Azov Battalion a foreign terrorist organization, saying it "uses the internet to recruit new members and then radicalizes them to use violence to pursue its white identity political agenda."

https://theintercept.com/2022/02/18/ukraine-weapons-neo-nazis-bob-menendez/


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Zergling Rush said:

We all know thats not going to happen. Fanboys are all in and nothing will change their minds. Especially the ones being paid to post pro-Ukrainian propaganda daily on the safe space thread.....

How many of them are tied directly to Lockheed, Northrop, Boeing defense, etc etc.....



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Rapier108 said:

Who cares? There are no good sides there.

Ukraine is a corrupt ****hole and Russia is an aggressive bully who is still butthurt over the collapse of the Soviet Union.
This is a FAIR statement.

But even offering anything other than total devotion to the corrupt Ukrainian state is considered being an ally of Putin. It doesn't matter that you offered up a reasonable charge against Russia/Putin as being a bully as well.
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amercer said:

Don't care, killing commies
Communism is in control of Russia still?

Do you not understand the difference between church-aligned oligarchy and Communism?

Did Dec 26, 1991 not happen?

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I'm on the "both sides can die in a fire" wagon.
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TheEternalPessimist said:

Rapier108 said:

Who cares? There are no good sides there.

Ukraine is a corrupt ****hole and Russia is an aggressive bully who is still butthurt over the collapse of the Soviet Union.
This is a FAIR statement.

But even offering anything other than total devotion to the corrupt Ukrainian state is considered being an ally of Putin. It doesn't matter that you offered up a reasonable charge against Russia/Putin as being a bully as well.
There are people who are 100% backing Russia/Putin, just like there are people 100% backing Ukraine, albeit for different reasons, which would require a dissertation level post to go through.

Personally, it doesn't bother me that we're making Russia bleed and bleed a lot, but I would rather we not have been involved at all. Of course, this very well may never have happened if we didn't have a dementia patient as president.
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It will only matter if we get a (R) administration while the war continues. Up till then it is (D)ifferent.
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I do agree both sides are bad. The war has been good for China first and foremost. Team CCP in the White House is I am sure pleased. If Kiev does somehow 'win' this war eventually it will cost us trillions to rebuild the place for them:



Photo from the propaganda about a Polish mercenary unit somewhere near Belgorod (which is in Russia, not Ukraine, which is just a victim of being invaded). Point is, on the anniversary of D-day, maybe celebrating our 'allies' who are overt nazi's of our own day is…well I am not going to do that.
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TheEternalPessimist said:

amercer said:

Don't care, killing commies
Communism is in control of Russia still?

Do you not understand the difference between church-aligned oligarchy and Communism?

Did Dec 26, 1991 not happen?




Man people on here get touchy. Take a joke.

You guys are going to be really pissed when you hear how many tanks we gave Stalin in WWII

War is full of *******s. We've had plenty of war criminals fighting with us (and for us) over our history. Still the goal is to support the side whose wining is most in the US interest.
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Rapier108 said:

Who cares? There are no good sides there.

Ukraine is a corrupt ****hole and Russia is an aggressive bully who is still butthurt over the collapse of the Soviet Union.
No good sides but we have funded one side with a 100 Billion dollars....brilliant!
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Not a Bot
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Definitely do not disagree that there are elements, particularly in the Donbas and the areas around the Sea of Azov, that are a hotbed of Nazi symbology.

The Nazis are the people who fight the communists, and communism is probably hated more there than almost anywhere else on earth right now. The people for a long time have embraced that Nazi ideology as a symbol of resistance against communist rule. The western idea of "neither Nazism nor communism" isn't really a big concept there. The western part of Ukraine is much more like Europe while the eastern part of Ukraine is still fighting that ideological battle.
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A black sun is neo-Nazi?

Spreadsheet updated.
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Not a Bot said:

Definitely do not disagree that there are elements, particularly in the Donbas and the areas around the Sea of Azov, that are a hotbed of Nazi symbology.

The Nazis are the people who fight the communists, and communism is probably hated more there than almost anywhere else on earth right now. The people for a long time have embraced that Nazi ideology as a symbol of resistance against communist rule. The western idea of "neither Nazism nor communism" isn't really a big concept there. The western part of Ukraine is much more like Europe while the eastern part of Ukraine is still fighting that ideological battle.
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CanyonAg77 said:

A black sun is neo-Nazi?

Spreadsheet updated.
If you have a Black son wearing a black sun, is they a white supremacist or no?
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fka ftc said:

CanyonAg77 said:

A black sun is neo-Nazi?

Spreadsheet updated.
If you have a Black son wearing a black sun, is they a white supremacist or no?
Only if they play "Fortunate Son".

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Nazi symbols "should be interpreted by how Ukrainians viewed them, not by how they had been used elsewhere."

They would never let anyone else get away with this.
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Harry Stone said:

It makes perfect sense why our govt is funding them.
How so?
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91AggieLawyer said:

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Nazi symbols "should be interpreted by how Ukrainians viewed them, not by how they had been used elsewhere."

They would never let anyone else get away with this.

I think it's just good old fashioned "the enemy of the enemy is my friend" line of thinking
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Not a Bot said:

Definitely do not disagree that there are elements, particularly in the Donbas and the areas around the Sea of Azov, that are a hotbed of Nazi symbology.

The Nazis are the people who fight the communists, and communism is probably hated more there than almost anywhere else on earth right now. The people for a long time have embraced that Nazi ideology as a symbol of resistance against communist rule. The western idea of "neither Nazism nor communism" isn't really a big concept there. The western part of Ukraine is much more like Europe while the eastern part of Ukraine is still fighting that ideological battle.


This. Americans don't understand the geopolitics of the region, nor its' history. Those who only skim news articles and post on F16 even less so.
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Pluralizes Everythings said:

Not a Bot said:

Definitely do not disagree that there are elements, particularly in the Donbas and the areas around the Sea of Azov, that are a hotbed of Nazi symbology.

The Nazis are the people who fight the communists, and communism is probably hated more there than almost anywhere else on earth right now. The people for a long time have embraced that Nazi ideology as a symbol of resistance against communist rule. The western idea of "neither Nazism nor communism" isn't really a big concept there. The western part of Ukraine is much more like Europe while the eastern part of Ukraine is still fighting that ideological battle.


This. Americans don't understand the geopolitics of the region, nor its' history. Those who only skim news articles and post on F16 even less so.
Or we just call out bull **** when we see it. I don't need to know the history of Ukraine to understand that our President is a corrupt piece of **** that is starting a war with Russia to protect his piece of **** friends that use Ukraine to do all sorts of corrupt things.

Pluralizes Everythings supports Nazis and massive corruption at home - Spread sheet updated.
 
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