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It's totally going to be different this time.

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— Burt Macklin (@BurtMaclin_FBI) December 26, 2023

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Here's the core problem - the people who continue to bring up these lies and failed promises by Trump actually believe people are voting on policy when they're voting for Trump. And there's still a dwindling number of Trump supporters who claim they are.

But most Trump supporters have dropped the charade and openly admit the truth these days - they're voting for "revenge!". You can't argue with something as personal as feelings of revenge. Logic be damned when compared to their emotions of wanted to stick it to the Dems and get redemption for Trump losing in '20.

The two leading candidates, according to the infalliable polls at least, have to appeal to voter's emotions, lest voters actually look at their track records and how ****ing old they are. The ultimate solution is simple - get them out of the race. The Dems know that and will do just that when they force Biden out late. Too bad the Rep's won't.

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Lot of truth there.

If people want Trump that's fine, it just amazes me how they don't want to be honest about what that means. I love reading Trump supporters rail against the vaccines for instance and everything that happened during Covid then simply refuse to connect any of it to Trump. Many actually seem to think Trump is going to do something about holding people involved accountable. I am honestly in awe of it. Then you look at the long list of things he could have done as President and didn't do, much of it quite easily (like pardoning Assange and Snowden for instance, much less the Jan 6ers) and they really think he is the guy to hold the torch to fix those problems now. They think that somehow he will be the first guy pushing 80 in history to actually get sharper and more energetic than he was when he was 70.

Oh well, here we are. Still some time for people to wake up. If they don't though I won't take joy in it but I will certainly remind people this is what of what they voted for. If you vote for Trump you have no one to blame but yourself for the crapshow to come and don't tell me it would have happened with DeSantis. You knew what you were getting with Trump and you chose that.

Whether you like their reasons or not, "revenge" is absolutely a motivating factor for at least some (I'd argue many) who are voting for Trump in the primaries…

And that is where I think DeSantis miscalculated with his message (assuming his goal was to be the R nominee)…

He had a great opportunity to steal headlines early on…he could have come out swinging at those who continue to persecute Trump…he could have said something like "I'll fight those cowards with the ferocity in which I defeated Disney wokeism in my state, and I'll throw those criminals conjuring up false charges in jail to rot for doing what they continue to do to an innocent man!"…

That approach likely would have 1) appealed to the Trump voting bloc, and 2) taken some of the wind out of Trump's sails by showing Trump needed DeSantis to save him…

There are much more sinister forces working behind the scenes in this country than many folks care to acknowledge…I think DeSantis's best play would have been to come out as the in-your-face leader whose mission is to strike down such sinister tyranny because then, and only then, can we start focusing on rebuilding America the way it was intended to be…you must rid this country of the evil from the progressive left, rid us from the evils of such false notions as "sustainable green energy", and rid this nation of the evils of wokeism and lies such as "social justice" in an effort to rebuild our once strong and mighty Republic…

I really wish DeSantis had come out as the champion of truth…the person who would show this nation that "facts" and "truth" are not the same thing…

I want the candidate that has the balls to come out and say things like "George Floyd died from a drug overdose", "the FBI led the charge into the capital on Jan 6", and "a Tesla battery has the same carbon footprint as running an internal combustion engine for 8 years straight"…

Those are truths that are conveniently hidden by made up "facts"…

DeSantis should have come out swinging from the beginning and shown himself to be a champion of truth and the only man who could save Trump from wrongful persecution…

The man had a chance to steal headlines, and he missed…

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During a speech in South Carolina late last month, Haley trotted out a rather interesting line of attack against Trump: "And the truth of it all and this is another hard truth I believe President Trump was the right president at the right time. I was proud to serve America in his administration, and I agree with a lot of his policies. But the truth is, rightly or wrongly, chaos follows him. You know I'm right. Chaos follows him. We have too much division in this country and too many threats around the world to be sitting in chaos once again."

These were not tossed-off remarks. Byron York, the only political reporter who seems to have grasped the significance of the remark, notes that Haley has been road-testing some variation of the "chaos" line since October, and it appears it's a regular part of her stump speech. York has done a typically thorough and thoughtful analysis of this, including why Haley's line might ruffle some feathers among Republicans.

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But ultimately, Haley's line about "chaos" spectacularly misreads the problem and, along with it, the sentiment of a lot of Trump voters she needs to win over. When she says "the truth is, rightly or wrongly, chaos follows him," the word "wrongly" in that sentence pretty much gives up the entire game. The biggest source of chaos in Trump's presidency wasn't mean tweets; it was the entire Washington establishment and administrative state breaking laws and violating norms both to impede his policies and attempt to throw him out of office. This was, indeed, very, very wrong and exposed a rot so deep that the number one requirement of any future Republican president is dismantling this corruption that threatens the foundations of the republic.

Let's recap what the "chaos" in the Trump administration looked like, shall we? Starting before Trump was elected, the FBI was investigating and wiretapping the guy an investigation that continued well after he was elected. The FBI's "sources" for their investigation of Trump were treasonously colluding with Russia to steal an election. These included, among other standout individuals, a paid informant at the heart of multiple political scandals who had been apparently lying on his resume for decades and a report from… Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee.

The man responsible "for 80% of the 'intel'" in that report was a Russian national who the FBI had previously conducted an inconclusive counterintelligence investigation into, and it turns out that disreputable Russian got much of his information on Trump's ties to Russia from a lawyer for… Hillary Clinton. And given such quality information, it's hard to imagine that an FBI lawyer would get caught manufacturing evidence on warrant applications just to keep spying on a man who was a legitimately elected president.

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That was all pretty chaotic, right? And it's just the tip of the iceberg. We could walk through the events of the first Trump impeachment, where the case against Trump was so open and shut Congressional Democrats had all the witnesses testify behind closed doors; the rapid emergence of a censorship industrial complex sponsored by federal agencies and law enforcement; the open endorsement of violent BLM riots that destroyed city centers by Democratic politicians; billionaires funding liberal get-out-the-vote experts to infiltrate local nonpartisan election offices; the self-described "conspiracy" and "cabal" that worked to "control the flow of information" and "fortify" our elections in 2020 by flooding every state with mail-in ballots. By the way, you're an election-denying bigot if you think said ballots encourage fraud.

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The thing is, acknowledging that much of what happened during Trump's presidency was unjust and damaging to the country need not be an endorsement of Trump. Ramaswamy and DeSantis have both made the case that they're better suited to address corruption exposed by Trump while acknowledging the campaign against him during his presidency was an alarming subversion of American rights, norms, and laws. (Similarly, it is telling how a figure such as Biden who has brazenly lied about his own corruption indeed, the first Trump impeachment was held behind closed doors so Republicans could not publicly ask very obvious and damning questions about whether Trump's inquiry into the Biden family's corrupt business in Ukraine was warranted is so obviously insulated from "chaos" by the same people who instigated it under Trump.)

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DeSantis and Ramaswamy have at least campaigned in a way that acknowledges this basic reality: For a lot of voters, the number one issue facing the country is the fact that American democracy is being held hostage by a broad array of forces that will use violence and information warfare, in addition to every hidden lever of administrative, legal, and cultural power to punish Americans if they vote for someone they don't like. Never mind that even mild populist and rhetorical pushback on issues such as interventionist foreign policy or deliberate toleration of mass illegal immigration is cause for punitive measures.

You can pretend to wave away the existence of these insidious forces as being only applicable to Trump, but without exposing them and holding them accountable, no serious person believes they won't cause more "chaos" to whoever is the next politician that threatens them. The whole point is to amass enough coordinated power that you can both artificially create chaos and then be in a position to take it away, depending on which suits your purposes of incentivizing voters.

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Whether you like their reasons or not, "revenge" is absolutely a motivating factor for at least some (I'd argue many) who are voting for Trump in the primaries…

And that is where I think DeSantis miscalculated with his message (assuming his goal was to be the R nominee)…

He had a great opportunity to steal headlines early on…he could have come out swinging at those who continue to persecute Trump…he could have said something like "I'll fight those cowards with the ferocity in which I defeated Disney wokeism in my state, and I'll throw those criminals conjuring up false charges in jail to rot for doing what they continue to do to an innocent man!"…

That approach likely would have 1) appealed to the Trump voting bloc, and 2) taken some of the wind out of Trump's sails by showing Trump needed DeSantis to save him…

There are much more sinister forces working behind the scenes in this country than many folks care to acknowledge…I think DeSantis's best play would have been to come out as the in-your-face leader whose mission is to strike down such sinister tyranny because then, and only then, can we start focusing on rebuilding America the way it was intended to be…you must rid this country of the evil from the progressive left, rid us from the evils of such false notions as "sustainable green energy", and rid this nation of the evils of wokeism and lies such as "social justice" in an effort to rebuild our once strong and mighty Republic…

I really wish DeSantis had come out as the champion of truth…the person who would show this nation that "facts" and "truth" are not the same thing…

I want the candidate that has the balls to come out and say things like "George Floyd died from a drug overdose", "the FBI led the charge into the capital on Jan 6", and "a Tesla battery has the same carbon footprint as running an internal combustion engine for 8 years straight"…

Those are truths that are conveniently hidden by made up "facts"…

DeSantis should have come out swinging from the beginning and shown himself to be a champion of truth and the only man who could save Trump from wrongful persecution…

The man had a chance to steal headlines, and he missed…

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That is wishful thinking. I would love for it to be just wording that would make people see the obvious, but we don't live in that world. The American public we are part of now is driven by hits of dopamine from social media and outrage porn from everything else. If indeed it is true that the Republican party picks Trump, it will prove that we are run by our lowest common denominator. It is a race to the bottom that we have embraced through our algorithms. This primary is the last test to see if we are too far gone or not. Can we actually recognize that the drugs we are on are killing us? The Republican party is the last place where it is even possible for reality to be a part of public policy, and if we whole-heartedly embrace the cancer that has ruined the rest of the country, it's time to pull up a lounge chair, grab a spiked lemonade, and just watch it all burn.

Hey…we are too far gone…you need to embrace that truth…

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Look for more Melania in 2024.

A source tells Page Six that after Donald Trump scored a recent Supreme Court victory in his federal election subversion case, "Trump and his family are so secure that he will become president again that insiders at Mar-a-Lago say he's reached an agreement with [wife] Melania [Trump] to step up top-tier diplomatic appearances in 2024."

The Trumpworld source told us that after Melania recently appeared with fellow former first ladies at Rosalynn Carter's funeral, she is, "feeling more sure of herself as both her husband's representative and her own position as a diplomatic figure after her positive reception at the Carter funeral."

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Our source added, "Melania realizes it's her time to join the ranks of historic first ladies and leave her mark on history… She feels better prepared for her potential role the second time around."

The source added that Melania also feels she can devote more time to the role since her son with Trump, Barron, is now 17.

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Whether you like their reasons or not, "revenge" is absolutely a motivating factor for at least some (I'd argue many) who are voting for Trump in the primaries…

And that is where I think DeSantis miscalculated with his message (assuming his goal was to be the R nominee)…

He had a great opportunity to steal headlines early on…he could have come out swinging at those who continue to persecute Trump…he could have said something like "I'll fight those cowards with the ferocity in which I defeated Disney wokeism in my state, and I'll throw those criminals conjuring up false charges in jail to rot for doing what they continue to do to an innocent man!"…

That approach likely would have 1) appealed to the Trump voting bloc, and 2) taken some of the wind out of Trump's sails by showing Trump needed DeSantis to save him…

There are much more sinister forces working behind the scenes in this country than many folks care to acknowledge…I think DeSantis's best play would have been to come out as the in-your-face leader whose mission is to strike down such sinister tyranny because then, and only then, can we start focusing on rebuilding America the way it was intended to be…you must rid this country of the evil from the progressive left, rid us from the evils of such false notions as "sustainable green energy", and rid this nation of the evils of wokeism and lies such as "social justice" in an effort to rebuild our once strong and mighty Republic…

I really wish DeSantis had come out as the champion of truth…the person who would show this nation that "facts" and "truth" are not the same thing…

I want the candidate that has the balls to come out and say things like "George Floyd died from a drug overdose", "the FBI led the charge into the capital on Jan 6", and "a Tesla battery has the same carbon footprint as running an internal combustion engine for 8 years straight"…

Those are truths that are conveniently hidden by made up "facts"…

DeSantis should have come out swinging from the beginning and shown himself to be a champion of truth and the only man who could save Trump from wrongful persecution…

The man had a chance to steal headlines, and he missed…

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This actually explains the greater issue. People who want to be told what they want to hear rather than care about someone who actually has done something and knows how to fix it.

The campaign you are wishing DeSantis to run was basically Vivek. How is he doing now? It sounds good but it wouldn't have worked. The irony is you see the forces at work but miss how many of them are doing everything they can to make Trump into the nominee and knock out DeSantis. If you don't think the Dems watched that Newsom debate and realized they don't want anything to do with DeSantis as the nominee you really don't know how things work.

Haley simply went to Larry Fink and friends and said she will do whatever they want. Fink is scared to death of DeSantis after he called out BlackRock and pulled $2 Billion away from them in Florida, he understands what DeSantis could do if he was President. Koch brothers jumped on that train as well. They don't want the border closed and they want someone they can control in the White House.

Trump has run on polls. It's literally the only thing he has to talk about. He's also gotten a lot of folks to sell out their credibility to lie about DeSantis with impunity.

In the end we get what we deserve. If Trump is the nominee we deserve what that gets us. Just know you were warned.

I do

Google DeSantis and this is what you get:

DeSantis briefly ran for U.S. Senate in 2016, but withdrew when incumbent senator Marco Rubio sought reelection. DeSantis won the Republican nomination for the 2018 gubernatorial election and narrowly defeated the Democratic Party nominee, Tallahassee mayor Andrew Gillum, in the general election by 0.4%.

If not for Trump, DeSantis would have not won by the narrow margin he won by, he would have lost. STOP rewriting history.

DeSantis has miscalculated and will suffer the consequences, he stumbled his way into an alliance with Romney, McConnell, Cheney and the Bushes. He will never recover.

He will never, ever win another election. He is double digits behind Trump in Florida. My Goodness, it is not even funny any longer, it is sad too watch and the ones in here are enabling his slow death. Stop th fight, throw in the towel, your man has been destroyed by his own stupidity.

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We get it, you and the rest of MAGA hate DeSantis more than you hate any Democrat all because he did not swear fealty to Trump for life.

Guess what, he does not owe Trump a blood debt, nor does anyone owe Trump our vote.

MAGA people like you will be part of the reason Trump WILL lose in 2024 if he is the nominee because most of the country are sick and tired of Trump, and sick and tired of the people who worship him as a god, and want to destroy everyone else who doesn't.

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My governor endorsed Trump, my state will carry Trump.

Open your eyes, Governor DeSantis is not even winning his home state.

He should have not gotten greedy.

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We get it, you and the rest of MAGA hate DeSantis more than you hate any Democrat all because he did not swear fealty to Trump for life.

Guess what, he does not owe Trump a blood debt, nor does anyone owe Trump our vote.

MAGA people like you will be part of the reason Trump WILL lose in 2024 if he is the nominee because most of the country are sick and tired of Trump, and sick and tired of the people who worship him as a god, and want to destroy everyone else who doesn't.

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My governor endorsed Trump, my state will carry Trump.

Open your eyes, Governor DeSantis is not even winning his home state.

He should have not gotten greedy.

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He's running because he understands that the party running Trump again is guaranteed to lose. How is that greedy? No one is owed the nomination, especially not an unhinged geriatric idiot who already lost once.

ban trump from election ballots.

everywhere.

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ban trump from election ballots.

everywhere.

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How's that legal? Is that the answer for everything we don't get our way? Subvert democracy and just force things a certain way?

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ban trump from election ballots.

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How's that legal? Is that the answer for everything we don't get our way? Subvert democracy and just force things a certain way?

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My reply is meant for the trolling Trump sycophants who constantly spout their drivel in thread after thread as if their failed candidate is owed anything

but to answer your question directly...

it is legal until a court says it is not.

does not mean i agree with it. but that is a fact.

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ban trump from election ballots.

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How's that legal? Is that the answer for everything we don't get our way? Subvert democracy and just force things a certain way?

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My reply is meant for the trolling Trump sycophants who constantly spout their drivel in thread after thread as if their failed candidate is owed anything

but to answer your question directly...

it is legal until a court says it is not.

does not mean i agree with it. but that is a fact.

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Where is it written in the constitution that identifies the rules for running for president beyond age, citizenship, and residency?

I'll hang up and listen…

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ban trump from election ballots.

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How's that legal? Is that the answer for everything we don't get our way? Subvert democracy and just force things a certain way?

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My reply is meant for the trolling Trump sycophants who constantly spout their drivel in thread after thread as if their failed candidate is owed anything

but to answer your question directly...

it is legal until a court says it is not.

does not mean i agree with it. but that is a fact.

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Where is it written in the constitution that identifies the rules for running for president beyond age, citizenship, and residency?

I'll hang up and listen…

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where int the constitution are political parties, and primaries and whatnot for presidential candidates written.

I'll too shall hang up and listen.

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ban trump from election ballots.

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How's that legal? Is that the answer for everything we don't get our way? Subvert democracy and just force things a certain way?

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My reply is meant for the trolling Trump sycophants who constantly spout their drivel in thread after thread as if their failed candidate is owed anything

but to answer your question directly...

it is legal until a court says it is not.

does not mean i agree with it. but that is a fact.

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Where is it written in the constitution that identifies the rules for running for president beyond age, citizenship, and residency?

I'll hang up and listen…

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where int the constitution are political parties, and primaries and whatnot for presidential candidates written.

I'll too shall hang up and listen.

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You know very well that primaries are defined by the states, so now please tell me what the current laws are for each state's primary (or caucus) process that defines who can be on the primary ballot for president beyond what is defined by the US constitution…

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ban trump from election ballots.

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How's that legal? Is that the answer for everything we don't get our way? Subvert democracy and just force things a certain way?

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My reply is meant for the trolling Trump sycophants who constantly spout their drivel in thread after thread as if their failed candidate is owed anything

but to answer your question directly...

it is legal until a court says it is not.

does not mean i agree with it. but that is a fact.

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Where is it written in the constitution that identifies the rules for running for president beyond age, citizenship, and residency?

I'll hang up and listen…

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where int the constitution are political parties, and primaries and whatnot for presidential candidates written.

I'll too shall hang up and listen.

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You know very well that primaries are defined by the states, so now please tell me what the current laws are for each state's primary (or caucus) process that defines who can be on the primary ballot for president beyond what is defined by the US constitution…

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stop being purposefully obtuse.

the states have ALWAYS had, and HAVE USED, the ability to keep candidates off of ballots. including presidential elections. usually it is for low-support or outlier candidates/or "parties"/ But they have always had that permission to do it however they want.

this will just be the first time it is challenged on behalf of a viable candidate.
so as I said. it is legal for now. Until it isn't.

and I do expect it will be overturned.

This country is playing a very dangerous game…

Keep coming up with ways to attempt to subvert the will of the people, no matter how dumb folks think those people may be, and it will lead to armed, civil conflict…

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ban trump from election ballots.

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How's that legal? Is that the answer for everything we don't get our way? Subvert democracy and just force things a certain way?

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Nothing says our guy is going to win quite like, we have to ban this guy because he is going to beat our guy. The logic should be so obvious that it should hit like a ton of bricks.

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ban trump from election ballots.

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How's that legal? Is that the answer for everything we don't get our way? Subvert democracy and just force things a certain way?

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Nothing says our guy is going to win quite like, we have to ban this guy because he is going to beat our guy. The logic should be so obvious that it should hit like a ton of bricks.

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This is what the Left is trying to do because they know they can't steal it twice…

We continue to weaponize branches of government that were not intended to be weaponized, and it will lead to armed conflict…

Whether we like a candidate or not personally, we have to stop making up rules to prevent this person or that from being eligible…

At some point, you will tip the scales playing this dangerous game, and there will be hell to pay…

RON DESANTIS will limit the size AND scope of the federal government.

“So much in the federal government is not essential. You could cut the number of bureaucrats in half and you would not miss a beat.

“I want less government. But just as important, I want a narrower scope of… pic.twitter.com/tsNVGKRu0k

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) December 27, 2023

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RON DESANTIS will limit the size AND scope of the federal government.

“So much in the federal government is not essential. You could cut the number of bureaucrats in half and you would not miss a beat.

“I want less government. But just as important, I want a narrower scope of… pic.twitter.com/tsNVGKRu0k

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) December 27, 2023

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Specific plans for a conservative platform and a coherent message in how to achieve that platform

And somehow others here on here would rather have name calling and vague "promises" of "revenge".

FML

Don't blame folks on TexAgs for DeSantis's failure to get his message across to the masses…

His campaign failed because he was unable to communicate the virtues of his candidacy adequately…

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Don't blame folks on TexAgs for DeSantis's failure to get his message across to the masses…

His campaign failed because he was unable to communicate the virtues of his candidacy adequately…

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How has his campaign failed, other than Trump supporter wish-casting?

Tard fodder?

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We get it, you and the rest of MAGA hate DeSantis more than you hate any Democrat all because he did not swear fealty to Trump for life.

Guess what, he does not owe Trump a blood debt, nor does anyone owe Trump our vote.

MAGA people like you will be part of the reason Trump WILL lose in 2024 if he is the nominee because most of the country are sick and tired of Trump, and sick and tired of the people who worship him as a god, and want to destroy everyone else who doesn't.

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My governor endorsed Trump, my state will carry Trump.

Open your eyes, Governor DeSantis is not even winning his home state.

He should have not gotten greedy.

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A Trump supporter claiming DeSantis is the greedy one is so ironic its mind-boggling, lol. And PA42, your posts are getting more unhinged and desperate by the day.

DeSantis is in an alliance with Bush, Romney, and Cheney...

DeSantis will definitely never ever win another election....

Lol, man, you really are pissed that he challenged your orange Dear Leader, aren't you?

Oh, BTW, rural America loves DeSantis!

He's going to get curb-stomped…33 points down in Iowa…19 days to go…

No one has ever made up 33 points in Iowa in less than 19 days…

If he is the first, it will be unprecedented…

Odds say he won't…

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Don't blame folks on TexAgs for DeSantis's failure to get his message across to the masses…

His campaign failed because he was unable to communicate the virtues of his candidacy adequately…

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He hasn't failed to get the message out.

Trump is just a bullhorn at full volume all the time. Drowns out quite a lot...

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Don't blame folks on TexAgs for DeSantis's failure to get his message across to the masses…

His campaign failed because he was unable to communicate the virtues of his candidacy adequately…

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He hasn't failed to get the message out.

Trump is just a bullhorn at full volume all the time. Drowns out quite a lot...

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Then by definition, he has FAILED to get his message out...

He didn't do nearly enough to get people to look his way in this day and age...

Now we can sit here and debate the vitrues of doing things the polite, old school way versus the boisterous, in-your-face Trump way, but virtue is meaningless...the goal is to win the primary...so he should have done more to grab the attention of voters in a manner that would help him win the primary...

Fact is, trump isn't nearly the bullhorn he once was...the media carry him because he's good ratings...like him or hate him...he brings really good ratings...

DeSantis needed to do things that would force the media to pay attention...he needed to do things that would boost media coverage ratings...

He chose not to...and as such, he didn't give himself a chance to win the R Primary this cycle...

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Don't blame folks on TexAgs for DeSantis's failure to get his message across to the masses…

His campaign failed because he was unable to communicate the virtues of his candidacy adequately…

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He hasn't failed to get the message out.

Trump is just a bullhorn at full volume all the time. Drowns out quite a lot...

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DeSantis has been camped out in Iowa for months now, doing the retail politics that Iowans demand apparently.

Maybe the Iowa polls are wrong but it sure doesn't appear he is resonating with those voters. I don't know why.

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Don't blame folks on TexAgs for DeSantis's failure to get his message across to the masses…

His campaign failed because he was unable to communicate the virtues of his candidacy adequately…

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He hasn't failed to get the message out.

Trump is just a bullhorn at full volume all the time. Drowns out quite a lot...

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DeSantis has been camped out in Iowa for months now, doing the retail politics that Iowans demand apparently.

Maybe the Iowa polls are wrong but it sure doesn't appear he is resonating with those voters. I don't know why.

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He's banking on the ground game sparking a surprise win, which can give people desperate for an alternative to Trump someone with momentum. No one really has any idea if it's a good strategy or not but we'll find out on Jan 15.

I think he was banking on a "splash" win in Iowa that would give him momentum in other primaries...

But I think he needs to be witihin 10 points at most of Trump going into caucus day, which means if polling averages are to be believed, he needs to make up 23 points between now and Jan 15...

In that amount of time, that type of gap closure (23 points) would be unprecedented, let alone overcoming the full 33 point disadvantage he faces in Iowa...

I think the DeSantis camp has realized that this is going to be nearly impossible at this point, and the different firings and restructurings within his PAC and his direct campaign are a result of them realizing that time is running out, and they aren't where they expected (or at least hoped) to be...

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Don't blame folks on TexAgs for DeSantis's failure to get his message across to the masses…

His campaign failed because he was unable to communicate the virtues of his candidacy adequately…

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He hasn't failed to get the message out.

Trump is just a bullhorn at full volume all the time. Drowns out quite a lot...

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Then by definition, he has FAILED to get his message out...

He didn't do nearly enough to get people to look his way in this day and age...

Now we can sit here and debate the vitrues of doing things the polite, old school way versus the boisterous, in-your-face Trump way, but virtue is meaningless...the goal is to win the primary...so he should have done more to grab the attention of voters in a manner that would help him win the primary...

Fact is, trump isn't nearly the bullhorn he once was...the media carry him because he's good ratings...like him or hate him...he brings really good ratings...

DeSantis needed to do things that would force the media to pay attention...he needed to do things that would boost media coverage ratings...

He chose not to...and a such, he didn't give himself a chance to win the R Primary this cycle...

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Well until it's over it's not over. No votes have been cast.

That said I don't per se disagree with you only I don't think there was much of anything he could have done. The suggestions you have made would not have worked in terms of copying Vivek or trying to out Trump Trump. The problem he has had is fundamentally he is a threat to all sides. He is a threat to Trump by trying to take his crown. He is a threat to the Establishment because of his policies. He is the biggest threat to the Democrats because no one has been as effective at kicking their ass.

Are there things he could have done differently? Sure. I think he should have gone on more shows with adversarial interviewers sooner but he has done well with them. One thing I didn't expect is so many "conservative" influencers and broadcasters treated him so unfairly and openly lied about him. Charlie Kirk. Tim Pool. PBD, and of course the biggest disappointment in Tucker Carlson. I could name a dozen others that have basically moved in at Mar a Lago. Out of all of them only PBD even allowed him on his show and when he did it was to do that idiotic shoe stunt. It was deeply disappointing and eye opening, they showed they cared far more about Trump and many have a business model based around him than anything having to do with conservatism or even being honest with their listeners.

We will find out soon enough. The reality is though that Trump has an empire built on sand. There are so many ways it can collapse spectacularly I don't even know where to start. If he is the nominee we need him to succeed but it feels very much like this to me.