Someone in the DeSantis campaign PR department needs to get on the stick here. Had no idea this was happening tonight.

CNN Townhall with DeSantis tonight

He'll get an abortion question with what recently had in Texas and it won't help him.

Trump strategy of not taking challenging questions has helped him a lot. Besides that interview on Meet the Press a few months ago, I don't think he's taken questions except from friendly media.

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He'll get an abortion question with what recently had in Texas and it won't help him.

Trump strategy of not taking challenging questions has helped him a lot. Besides that interview on Meet the Press a few months ago, I don't think he's taken questions except from friendly media.

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Cowards avoid hard or difficult questions.

Healthcare question coming up. Hopefully Ron fixed his response.

He handled that question about the Texas abortion case EXTREMELY well.

Pointed out he's signed legislation in FL that has exceptions for mother's life AND fatal fetal defects and did not get drug into the minutiae of the Texas case.

DeSantis is done

One of Trump's dip****s on Twitter claiming that DeSantis is conspiring with CNN to "smear" Trump.

Remember, this is the same guy that said DeSantis supporters are "vile creatures" and they will be made to regret ever supporting DeSantis and then purged.

DeSantis works with Jake Tapeworm to push smear against Trump.

Unbelievable. Disqualifying. pic.twitter.com/ECwPkZsyzt

— johnny maga (@_johnnymaga) December 13, 2023

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One of Trump's dip****s on Twitter claiming that DeSantis is conspiring with CNN to "smear" Trump.

Remember, this is the same guy that DeSantis supporters are "vile creatures" and they will be made to regret ever supporting DeSantis and then purged.

DeSantis works with Jake Tapeworm to push smear against Trump.

Unbelievable. Disqualifying. pic.twitter.com/ECwPkZsyzt

— johnny maga (@_johnnymaga) December 13, 2023

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I like how he cut off the video he posted right before DeSantis was able to point out that Trump didn't even do the bare minimum of debating. Didn't want that accurate point to be seen.

As expected…Hailey is about to pass ronald. His message is not getting through. He is cooked. Strange since he has such a great group of followers.

LOLPolls


Tard fodder

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He'll get an abortion question with what recently had in Texas and it won't help him.

Trump strategy of not taking challenging questions has helped him a lot. Besides that interview on Meet the Press a few months ago, I don't think he's taken questions except from friendly media.

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LOL and what happens once Trump is the nominee-

he is never going to do an interview for 6 months except with One America News?

(who has been sued into near oblivion for their lies already)

We are now in an environment in which gas prices are falling, interest rates are falling, and inflation has significantly cooled......and Donald Trump is selling pieces of his clothing.

If Trump is the nominee, we are going to by lose by 10.

— Peter Henlein (@SwissWatchGuy) December 12, 2023

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I hate pieces like this. Winning an extra 20% of 1/8th of the electorate is not great when you've lost 5-10% of 2/3rds of the electorate.

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It's also just not believable that black people wont vote 90+% for the democrat come election time.

We went through the exact same thing last election cycle and Candace Owens was telling us all about blexit and how black people would decide the election for Trump. Then they reliably voted D like always.

What is McCaskill saying here about what are the Biden campaign do in swing states?

Democrat Claire McCaskill freaking out over polling data showing RFK Jr takes more votes away from Biden than Trump, particularly in swing states

"Then you have this RFK thing: The Biden campaign is going to have to do a gut check here and decide when they have to begin… pic.twitter.com/RCkEBonkr6

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) December 13, 2023

for all the Trump dummies who believe the economy will ensure Biden's defeat:

UPDATED WED, DEC 13 20234:19 PM EST

Dow rallies more than 500 points to record, closes above 37,000 for the first time

so unemployment at 3.7%, inflation plunging lower to 3% and stock market all time highs.

but sure, the same electorate that voted AGAINST Trump in 2022 when there was 15% inflation and a much lower stock market and higher unemployment

is now going to turn around and vote for Trump.

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I hate pieces like this. Winning an extra 20% of 1/8th of the electorate is not great when you've lost 5-10% of 2/3rds of the electorate.

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It's also just not believable that black people wont vote 90+% for the democrat come election time.

We went through the exact same thing last election cycle and Candace Owens was telling us all about blexit and how black people would decide the election for Trump. Then they reliably voted D like always.

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oh, you mean grifter Owens isn't some incredible political savant?!?!

you mean some pretty black girl who built a mass following because she is a 'conservative' but has no formal training in politics might just make things up?

oh yeah she is also a vicious anti-semite.

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What is McCaskill saying here about what are the Biden campaign do in swing states?

Democrat Claire McCaskill freaking out over polling data showing RFK Jr takes more votes away from Biden than Trump, particularly in swing states

"Then you have this RFK thing: The Biden campaign is going to have to do a gut check here and decide when they have to begin… pic.twitter.com/RCkEBonkr6

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) December 13, 2023

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Hawg, don't be so suspicious. All she's saying is that the Biden campaign is simply going to "inform" (wink, wink) specific voters in specific states that Biden should get their vote. All on the up and up!

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for all the Trump dummies who believe the economy will ensure Biden's defeat:

UPDATED WED, DEC 13 20234:19 PM EST

Dow rallies more than 500 points to record, closes above 37,000 for the first time

so unemployment at 3.7%, inflation plunging lower to 3% and stock market all time highs.

but sure, the same electorate that voted AGAINST Trump in 2022 when there was 15% inflation and a much lower stock market and higher unemployment

is now going to turn around and vote for Trump.

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Dang.. I did not know the Dow hit 37,000 !! It was flat around noon.

Would you vote for Donald Trump for president in 2024 if he is/has been - Convicted of a felony crime by a jury?

Yes 25%
No 59%

.@Reuters/@Ipsos, 4,411 Adults, 12/5-11https://t.co/HKnYKcWUAy pic.twitter.com/mUaqD9K8xR

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) December 14, 2023

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Would you vote for Donald Trump for president in 2024 if he is/has been - Convicted of a felony crime by a jury?

Yes 25%
No 59%

.@Reuters/@Ipsos, 4,411 Adults, 12/5-11https://t.co/HKnYKcWUAy pic.twitter.com/mUaqD9K8xR

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) December 14, 2023

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Ooops, Well, that's one poll you're not gonna see the typical poll pushers on here gloating about.

"Inflation has cooled"?

Well, tell that to HEB, QT and everyone else, because **** is EXPENSIVE. Some of it, more than double the price it was under President BoneSpurs' first 3 years. He and Biden really ****ed us on inflation.

Really the rate of change of inflation has decreased, but these use stuff like that to deceive people.

But the narrative you've been pushing on here has been that more people want to vote for him because of these false charges being levied against him…

No you're arguing they make him less popular?

Which is it?

I've maintained all along that the charges are a hindrance to his election and the reason they have been continuing to pursue them was precisely because they didn't think they could steal an election twice the same way…

I still believe this…you?

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But the narrative you've been pushing on here has been that more people want to vote for him because of these false charges being levied against him…

No you're arguing they make him less popular?

Which is it?

I've maintained all along that the charges are a hindrance to his election and the reason they have been continuing to pursue them was precisely because they didn't think they could steal an election twice the same way…

I still believe this…you?

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More people in the primary will vote for him because of the charges. More people in the general (see the independents column in the second chart) will not vote for him because of the charges. Not that complicated.

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Actually the greater point is that if he is convicted it will really hurt him in the general, even if the charges are bogus. He is going to be convicted, that's a virtual certainty. Most people think Trump probably broke some laws along the way. Maybe that is because they hate him. Maybe that is because he lies all the time. Maybe that is because he says and does stupid things regularly.

Either way the assumption by most Trump voters is that if Trump is convicted that will wake up the normies and get them to start supporting Trump when the opposite is true. Fundamentally most people DGAF about politicians being mistreated, they care about themselves. Vote for me because I was mistreated just isn't a winning strategy and in the end it is the message of the Trump campaign. It works for people that like him but it is a disaster for everyone else.

What is helping Trump is with Biden still on the ticket for the Dems they have one of the few politicians out there that people also dislike almost as much as Trump. Of course if that changes it's game over for Trump.

I just want Trump to go off and retire personally like other 80 year olds. We need an effective leader as President and he isn't it.

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FireAg said:

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But the narrative you've been pushing on here has been that more people want to vote for him because of these false charges being levied against him…

No you're arguing they make him less popular?

Which is it?

I've maintained all along that the charges are a hindrance to his election and the reason they have been continuing to pursue them was precisely because they didn't think they could steal an election twice the same way…

I still believe this…you?

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More people in the primary will vote for him because of the charges. More people in the general (see the independents column in the second chart) will not vote for him because of the charges. Not that complicated.

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Yep, that's the clearest illustration yet of what seems so obvious. If Trump is convicted it will just rally his base even more, while also turning off the independents. Even his indictments and overall behavior have the same effect. He can win the nomination but not the general. We need to nominate someone who can win the general unless we want four more years of Dem socialism.

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Would you vote for Donald Trump for president in 2024 if he is/has been - Convicted of a felony crime by a jury?

Yes 25%
No 59%

.@Reuters/@Ipsos, 4,411 Adults, 12/5-11https://t.co/HKnYKcWUAy pic.twitter.com/mUaqD9K8xR

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) December 14, 2023

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Which is exactly why so many of us are concerned that the Dems are running a well executed trap, and trump and his followers are falling right into it

No, I said the indictments made him more popular with the base in the primary. Trump winning independents was never happening. We have actual data points from 2018, 2020, 2022, 2023 to see that. This just reinforces that the independent trend won't magically change in 2024.

Moreover, if we nominate a guy only getting 70% of the GOP vote it will be a blood bath for the GOP. The Senate and House fall. The filibuster will go away. Dems will pack the courts and enact their socialist agenda.

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No, I said the indictments made him more popular with the base in the primary. Trump winning independents was never happening. We have actual data points from 2018, 2020, 2022, 2023 to see that. This just reinforces that the independent trend won't magically change in 2024.

Moreover, if we nominate a guy only getting 70% of the GOP vote it will be a blood bath for the GOP. The Senate and House fall. The filibuster will go away. Dems will pack the courts and enact their socialist agenda.

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Never is a very strong word…polling data indicates he is winning over at least some independents as he has pulled ahead of Biden in virtually every national poll and several of the swing state polls…

Now you very well could be right once "convictions" are handed down, but right now, given the choice between Biden and Trump, the nation is (perhaps begrudgingly) swinging back toward Trump…

But you have got to stop with the absolutes…

Right now, if it's Trump v Biden, and there are no convictions, I have a feeling Trump gets the W…

But there are still far too many variables to be throwing around absolutes…one, as I believe you have correctly identified, is the threat of convictions…another at least in my opinion, is the D's switching out Biden…

I think there are plenty of things that could derail Trump, but right now, those are still hypotheticals…

I've said it before, but the Trump campaign's actions don't match the polling. An example from the Trump rally last night. The recent batch of Internals must be bad.

This is quite the turn around from a few weeks ago when he said: "You don't have to vote, don't worry about voting. The voting, we got plenty of votes, you gotta watch." https://t.co/BOTONqfpDe

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) December 14, 2023

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No, I said the indictments made him more popular with the base in the primary. Trump winning independents was never happening. We have actual data points from 2018, 2020, 2022, 2023 to see that. This just reinforces that the independent trend won't magically change in 2024.

Moreover, if we nominate a guy only getting 70% of the GOP vote it will be a blood bath for the GOP. The Senate and House fall. The filibuster will go away. Dems will pack the courts and enact their socialist agenda.

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Never is a very strong word…polling data indicates he is winning over at least some independents as he has pulled ahead of Biden in virtually every national poll and several of the swing state polls…

Now you very well could be right once "convictions" are handed down, but right now, given the choice between Biden and Trump, the nation is (perhaps begrudgingly) swinging back toward Trump…

But you have got to stop with the absolutes…

Right now, if it's Trump v Biden, and there are no convictions, I have a feeling Trump gets the W…

But there are still far too many variables to be throwing around absolutes…one, as I believe you have correctly identified, is the threat of convictions…another at least in my opinion, is the D's switching out Biden…

I think there are plenty of things that could derail Trump, but right now, those are still hypotheticals…

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And you have got to stop with POLLS, POLL,and more polls.

Trump will lose either way. Voters ignored inflation in 2022 and their pocketbooks and said no red wave because Trump is toxic to independents AND 20% of the GOP. They're saying no to Trump.

Man I hate to break it to you, but you are relying on interpretations of other talking heads on Twitter that think they know stuff, but it's entirely possible they are guessing as much as anyone else…

I mean, the tweet he retweeted is claiming DeSantis will win Iowa…for that to happen, the polling is going to have to be off by ~30 points for it to be a statistical dead heat…

Do you truly believe that the polling, today, is actually off by that much? You realize that no matter how much someone hates polls, and doesn't like the narrative being given by this poll or that, it would be categorically unprecedented for the average of polling to be that off, let alone any single poll?

Unprecedented…

So while the unbelievable could happen…it's foolish to assume it WILL happen when much of the evidence says otherwise (at least the evidence which, historically, has usually been pretty damn accurate save for one national election where the pollsters admittedly over sample certain demographics and got burned)…

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Trump will lose either way. Voters ignored inflation in 2022 and their pocketbooks and said no red wave because Trump is toxic to independents AND 20% of the GOP. They're saying no to Trump.

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Perhaps…I won't discount that line of thinking…but I will add that the affects of inflation are being felt much more severely now than in 2022…

I'm sure you've seen it…the meme showing what Kevin McCalister's groceries cost was when Home Alone came out versus what they cost today? That is being posted everywhere…

That hurts middle America something fierce, and they are angrier now, I suspect, than they were in 2022…

Now they may still think orange man is bad…but I believe many of them see themselves going broke, so Bernie Lomax is worse…

And if that's the choice, I think they'll hold their nose and swing back the other way…

IF (and I have noted that's still a big if)…that's the choice…