LMCane said:

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Ouch!!
The USA can be 32 trillion dollars in debt but this will be a more grievous blow in Donald Trump's mind:

Yet, despite ruling the cable news night on Wednesday, the ratings-obsessed Trump will have to deal with the fact that the Hannity-moderated debate between DeSantis and California Gov. Gavin Newsom absolutely trounced him.

The buzzy event, which was heavily promoted by the network and aired last Thursday night, brought in a robust 4.75 million total viewers. Billed as a Red State vs. Blue State showdown, the 90-minute debate drew 742,000 in the 25-54 demographic and was Hannity's highest-rated broadcast this year.

In fact, the post-debate coverage by Hannity also outdrew Wednesday night's town hall, nabbing 3.41 million viewers overall and 524,000 in the key demo.

The DeSantis vs. Newsom fracas also helped Fox News attract twice as many primetime viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined, averaging an audience of 3.87 million compared to MSNBC's 1.34 million and CNN's 513,000 on Thursday evening.

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Wow so more people are interested in watching DeSantis even this early in the primaries.

I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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LMCane said:

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Ouch!!
The USA can be 32 trillion dollars in debt but this will be a more grievous blow in Donald Trump's mind:

Yet, despite ruling the cable news night on Wednesday, the ratings-obsessed Trump will have to deal with the fact that the Hannity-moderated debate between DeSantis and California Gov. Gavin Newsom absolutely trounced him.

The buzzy event, which was heavily promoted by the network and aired last Thursday night, brought in a robust 4.75 million total viewers. Billed as a Red State vs. Blue State showdown, the 90-minute debate drew 742,000 in the 25-54 demographic and was Hannity's highest-rated broadcast this year.

In fact, the post-debate coverage by Hannity also outdrew Wednesday night's town hall, nabbing 3.41 million viewers overall and 524,000 in the key demo.

The DeSantis vs. Newsom fracas also helped Fox News attract twice as many primetime viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined, averaging an audience of 3.87 million compared to MSNBC's 1.34 million and CNN's 513,000 on Thursday evening.

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Wow so more people are interested in watching DeSantis even this early in the primaries.

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BuT ThE PoLLs!!!!!!!!!

FireAg said:

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I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

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Yes, I think on F16, the target audience of who DeSantis elevates is largely the people who post here. Successful, engaged, college educated individuals. More Christian as well. It makes so much sense for DeSantis to be the guy for most on here.

What I have resigned to is that Trump elevates a different but important base. That means his policies will be slightly different, his communication style significantly different but as a whole Trump and DeSantis overlap so much that in terms of impact to life, there will be little notable difference in who wins.

FireAg said:

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I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

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The only state that matters right now is Iowa. If you look at history everything shifts as the Primaries and Caucuses go on. If DeSantis finds a way to win Iowa then it shows the polls are wrong and it shows that Trump is no inevitable. That means people will take a hard look at DeSantis. Remember "Primary Colors"? That's how these races work, hell Clinton ended up getting momentum for finishing 2nd in New Hampshire after being an also ran. Obama came from way behind to win in Iowa and suddenly that was a race after everyone assumed it would be Hillary. Things can change and looking at polls in states that are months after Iowa is completely irrelevant, those folks aren't paying attention yet and likely haven't even seen an ad for the candidates.

Folks say "But Cruz!" and that's true. It's not a guarantee of winning. What happened in '16 though after Cruz won Iowa is he got a real look. He traded punches with Trump and for a while looked like he might beat him. Having Kasich and Rubio in the race hurt him badly but also Cruz was still a Junior Senator that had very little record and had a real image problem. Trump was also fresh and new and he had so much more energy looking up at 70 vs looking up at 80. No one had seen the massive rallies he was putting together or a candidate flying a plane with their name on it to huge adoring crowds. That's just not happening now. Trump is having to show up at sporting events just to look like he still has the old magic, his own events are in smaller and smaller venues with empty seats everywhere.

Of course Trump may just win Iowa by 20 and it's all over. Hell if he wins by 10 it's probably over. That's why we will find out in about 40 days.

texagbeliever said:

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FireAg said:

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I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

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Yes, I think on F16, the target audience of who DeSantis elevates is largely the people who post here. Successful, engaged, college educated individuals. More Christian as well. It makes so much sense for DeSantis to be the guy for most on here.

What I have resigned to is that Trump elevates a different but important base. That means his policies will be slightly different, his communication style significantly different but as a whole Trump and DeSantis overlap so much that in terms of impact to life, there will be little notable difference in who wins.

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The ability to execute policies is dramatically different.

aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FireAg said:

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I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

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Yes, I think on F16, the target audience of who DeSantis elevates is largely the people who post here. Successful, engaged, college educated individuals. More Christian as well. It makes so much sense for DeSantis to be the guy for most on here.

What I have resigned to is that Trump elevates a different but important base. That means his policies will be slightly different, his communication style significantly different but as a whole Trump and DeSantis overlap so much that in terms of impact to life, there will be little notable difference in who wins.

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The ability to execute policies is dramatically different.

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No its not.

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FireAg said:

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I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

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Yes, I think on F16, the target audience of who DeSantis elevates is largely the people who post here. Successful, engaged, college educated individuals. More Christian as well. It makes so much sense for DeSantis to be the guy for most on here.

What I have resigned to is that Trump elevates a different but important base. That means his policies will be slightly different, his communication style significantly different but as a whole Trump and DeSantis overlap so much that in terms of impact to life, there will be little notable difference in who wins.

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The ability to execute policies is dramatically different.

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No its not.

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You seriously don't see a difference? I am honestly surprised... the difference in competency is so blatant it is slapping everyone in the face.

texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FireAg said:

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I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

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Yes, I think on F16, the target audience of who DeSantis elevates is largely the people who post here. Successful, engaged, college educated individuals. More Christian as well. It makes so much sense for DeSantis to be the guy for most on here.

What I have resigned to is that Trump elevates a different but important base. That means his policies will be slightly different, his communication style significantly different but as a whole Trump and DeSantis overlap so much that in terms of impact to life, there will be little notable difference in who wins.

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The ability to execute policies is dramatically different.

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No its not.

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Looking at it objectively DeSantis can do 2 Terms vs 1. He has no legal issues to deal with. He is going to be able to better assemble a team of people willing to work for him. He's younger and more energetic for the 80 hour weeks involved in being President. He's a lawyer who has served in Congress and understands the Legislative process extremely well to go along with his Executive experience. That's ignoring track records of actual accomplishments.

The only edge Trump has is he was President previously but that also showed his flaws. Chief among those flaws were disorganization, hiring bad people, and burning political capital on stupid issues. As a 1 Termer he would need to be the exact opposite of that to have a chance to execute his policies. I have seen nothing from him to show any of those attributes have improved.

texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FireAg said:

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I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

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Yes, I think on F16, the target audience of who DeSantis elevates is largely the people who post here. Successful, engaged, college educated individuals. More Christian as well. It makes so much sense for DeSantis to be the guy for most on here.

What I have resigned to is that Trump elevates a different but important base. That means his policies will be slightly different, his communication style significantly different but as a whole Trump and DeSantis overlap so much that in terms of impact to life, there will be little notable difference in who wins.

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The ability to execute policies is dramatically different.

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No its not.

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You can't actually think this right? Just the level of organization alone is monumentally different, not to mention the inherent distractions of someone who is such an undisciplined communicator.

aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FireAg said:

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I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

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Yes, I think on F16, the target audience of who DeSantis elevates is largely the people who post here. Successful, engaged, college educated individuals. More Christian as well. It makes so much sense for DeSantis to be the guy for most on here.

What I have resigned to is that Trump elevates a different but important base. That means his policies will be slightly different, his communication style significantly different but as a whole Trump and DeSantis overlap so much that in terms of impact to life, there will be little notable difference in who wins.

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The ability to execute policies is dramatically different.

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No its not.

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Looking at it objectively DeSantis can do 2 Terms vs 1. He has no legal issues to deal with. He is going to be able to better assemble a team of people willing to work for him. He's younger and more energetic for the 80 hour weeks involved in being President. He's a lawyer who has served in Congress and understands the Legislative process extremely well to go along with his Executive experience. That's ignoring track records of actual accomplishments.

The only edge Trump has is he was President previously but that also showed his flaws. Chief among those flaws were disorganization, hiring bad people, and burning political capital on stupid issues. As a 1 Termer he would need to be the exact opposite of that to have a chance to execute his policies. I have seen nothing from him to show any of those attributes have improved.

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You do realize Trump can do 1 term then DeSantis can do 2 terms.

DeSantis has many great qualities. DC is a different beast then Florida. That is why it is hard to say DeSantis will be more effective. I don't think having the suburban base support will move the needle. DeSantis and Trump really need to figure out a way to join together their two base support to really maximize the power they will have from motivated supporters. Trump will need DeSantis and DeSantis will need Trump (at least the supporters that engage and uplift). That is what we as conservatives want! Large support and ability to influence outcomes. Trump and DeSantis are both major upgrades over Jeb Bush, McCain, Romney, GW Bush & Elder Bush.

texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FireAg said:

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I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

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Yes, I think on F16, the target audience of who DeSantis elevates is largely the people who post here. Successful, engaged, college educated individuals. More Christian as well. It makes so much sense for DeSantis to be the guy for most on here.

What I have resigned to is that Trump elevates a different but important base. That means his policies will be slightly different, his communication style significantly different but as a whole Trump and DeSantis overlap so much that in terms of impact to life, there will be little notable difference in who wins.

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The ability to execute policies is dramatically different.

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No its not.

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Looking at it objectively DeSantis can do 2 Terms vs 1. He has no legal issues to deal with. He is going to be able to better assemble a team of people willing to work for him. He's younger and more energetic for the 80 hour weeks involved in being President. He's a lawyer who has served in Congress and understands the Legislative process extremely well to go along with his Executive experience. That's ignoring track records of actual accomplishments.

The only edge Trump has is he was President previously but that also showed his flaws. Chief among those flaws were disorganization, hiring bad people, and burning political capital on stupid issues. As a 1 Termer he would need to be the exact opposite of that to have a chance to execute his policies. I have seen nothing from him to show any of those attributes have improved.

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You do realize Trump can do 1 term then DeSantis can do 2 terms.

DeSantis has many great qualities. DC is a different beast then Florida. That is why it is hard to say DeSantis will be more effective. I don't think having the suburban base support will move the needle. DeSantis and Trump really need to figure out a way to join together their two base support to really maximize the power they will have from motivated supporters. Trump will need DeSantis and DeSantis will need Trump (at least the supporters that engage and uplift). That is what we as conservatives want! Large support and ability to influence outcomes. Trump and DeSantis are both major upgrades over Jeb Bush, McCain, Romney, GW Bush & Elder Bush.

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I'm afraid you are naive on how the Trump train works... that will never happen. It is against the very nature of the movement.

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Science Denier said:

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Aglaw97 said:

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Not a fan of the WaPo, but they're not wrong here. Trump will do more to turn out the Dem base and some independents, plus keeping some Republicans home, than anything Biden could do.

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Voter harvesting will get the dem base out. Acorn was all set up and prepped nb taxpayer dollars. To win, we have to stir up the REPUBLICAN BASE.

Trump got more votes than any republican in history, even after Dominion changed votes. That's our shot.

Trump won labor. Good, hard working people that typically voted democrat. That's why he got more votes than any republican ever.

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Your response is accurate, but it doesn't disprove the previous statement.

Why do you believe that Trump's strategy of trying to pummel Desantis, despite supposedly having an insurmountable lead, is the way to "stir up the Rep base?"

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I think it's all a show and Desantis is going to be his running mate for VP.

I've wondered that myself…

Phatbob said:

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FireAg said:

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I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

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Yes, I think on F16, the target audience of who DeSantis elevates is largely the people who post here. Successful, engaged, college educated individuals. More Christian as well. It makes so much sense for DeSantis to be the guy for most on here.

What I have resigned to is that Trump elevates a different but important base. That means his policies will be slightly different, his communication style significantly different but as a whole Trump and DeSantis overlap so much that in terms of impact to life, there will be little notable difference in who wins.

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The ability to execute policies is dramatically different.

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No its not.

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Looking at it objectively DeSantis can do 2 Terms vs 1. He has no legal issues to deal with. He is going to be able to better assemble a team of people willing to work for him. He's younger and more energetic for the 80 hour weeks involved in being President. He's a lawyer who has served in Congress and understands the Legislative process extremely well to go along with his Executive experience. That's ignoring track records of actual accomplishments.

The only edge Trump has is he was President previously but that also showed his flaws. Chief among those flaws were disorganization, hiring bad people, and burning political capital on stupid issues. As a 1 Termer he would need to be the exact opposite of that to have a chance to execute his policies. I have seen nothing from him to show any of those attributes have improved.

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You do realize Trump can do 1 term then DeSantis can do 2 terms.

DeSantis has many great qualities. DC is a different beast then Florida. That is why it is hard to say DeSantis will be more effective. I don't think having the suburban base support will move the needle. DeSantis and Trump really need to figure out a way to join together their two base support to really maximize the power they will have from motivated supporters. Trump will need DeSantis and DeSantis will need Trump (at least the supporters that engage and uplift). That is what we as conservatives want! Large support and ability to influence outcomes. Trump and DeSantis are both major upgrades over Jeb Bush, McCain, Romney, GW Bush & Elder Bush.

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I'm afraid you are naive on how the Trump train works... that will never happen. It is against the very nature of the movement.

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You perceive his movement as him being this self absorbed billionaire who just wants to make it all about himself. I think there is sufficient information to poke serious holes in this theory. I know it is a wasted conversation however.

agwrestler said:

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BigBrother said:

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Science Denier said:

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Aglaw97 said:

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Not a fan of the WaPo, but they're not wrong here. Trump will do more to turn out the Dem base and some independents, plus keeping some Republicans home, than anything Biden could do.

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Voter harvesting will get the dem base out. Acorn was all set up and prepped nb taxpayer dollars. To win, we have to stir up the REPUBLICAN BASE.

Trump got more votes than any republican in history, even after Dominion changed votes. That's our shot.

Trump won labor. Good, hard working people that typically voted democrat. That's why he got more votes than any republican ever.

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Your response is accurate, but it doesn't disprove the previous statement.

Why do you believe that Trump's strategy of trying to pummel Desantis, despite supposedly having an insurmountable lead, is the way to "stir up the Rep base?"

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I think it's all a show and Desantis is going to be his running mate for VP.

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No way that's happening.

Just a quick question to the DeSantis guys who have said they won't vote for Trump.

If DeSantis was Trump's VP would you vote for Trump in the presidential election?

TRM said:

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agwrestler said:

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BigBrother said:

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Science Denier said:

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Aglaw97 said:

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Not a fan of the WaPo, but they're not wrong here. Trump will do more to turn out the Dem base and some independents, plus keeping some Republicans home, than anything Biden could do.

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Voter harvesting will get the dem base out. Acorn was all set up and prepped nb taxpayer dollars. To win, we have to stir up the REPUBLICAN BASE.

Trump got more votes than any republican in history, even after Dominion changed votes. That's our shot.

Trump won labor. Good, hard working people that typically voted democrat. That's why he got more votes than any republican ever.

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Your response is accurate, but it doesn't disprove the previous statement.

Why do you believe that Trump's strategy of trying to pummel Desantis, despite supposedly having an insurmountable lead, is the way to "stir up the Rep base?"

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I think it's all a show and Desantis is going to be his running mate for VP.

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No way that's happening.

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Be extremely careful about speaking in absolutes when it comes to politics...

texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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FireAg said:

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I actually really like DeSantis…I just see absolutely zero indication that he can close all of these huge polling gaps in the different R primaries…

I mean…the polling averages in the "closest" states would need to be 20+ points off for him to be even within the margin of error…

I just don't see it…

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Yes, I think on F16, the target audience of who DeSantis elevates is largely the people who post here. Successful, engaged, college educated individuals. More Christian as well. It makes so much sense for DeSantis to be the guy for most on here.

What I have resigned to is that Trump elevates a different but important base. That means his policies will be slightly different, his communication style significantly different but as a whole Trump and DeSantis overlap so much that in terms of impact to life, there will be little notable difference in who wins.

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The ability to execute policies is dramatically different.

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No its not.

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Looking at it objectively DeSantis can do 2 Terms vs 1. He has no legal issues to deal with. He is going to be able to better assemble a team of people willing to work for him. He's younger and more energetic for the 80 hour weeks involved in being President. He's a lawyer who has served in Congress and understands the Legislative process extremely well to go along with his Executive experience. That's ignoring track records of actual accomplishments.

The only edge Trump has is he was President previously but that also showed his flaws. Chief among those flaws were disorganization, hiring bad people, and burning political capital on stupid issues. As a 1 Termer he would need to be the exact opposite of that to have a chance to execute his policies. I have seen nothing from him to show any of those attributes have improved.

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You do realize Trump can do 1 term then DeSantis can do 2 terms.

DeSantis has many great qualities. DC is a different beast then Florida. That is why it is hard to say DeSantis will be more effective. I don't think having the suburban base support will move the needle. DeSantis and Trump really need to figure out a way to join together their two base support to really maximize the power they will have from motivated supporters. Trump will need DeSantis and DeSantis will need Trump (at least the supporters that engage and uplift). That is what we as conservatives want! Large support and ability to influence outcomes. Trump and DeSantis are both major upgrades over Jeb Bush, McCain, Romney, GW Bush & Elder Bush.

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DeSantis actually has more experience serving in DC than Trump and he was there well before Trump. So not sure how you think Trump understands DC better than him.

I do agree they need to work together though or else we are all screwed. Trump will need to support DeSantis out of self interest if nothing else. DeSantis can't be effective if Trump has all his people fighting with DeSantis openly. DeSantis OTOH has said he will endorse Trump if he wins and he will support him on most of his policies. That said as a Governor he has limited ability to help Trump.

After what was said from Trump's surrogates, with his approval, it's a no.

You're not getting away from your wife faked cancer or some other conspiracy garbage they're throwing ouot there.

Kinda like Trump could say whatever he wanted about Cruz's dad or wife, and ultimately, Cruz would be on his side running aginst HRC (and then while in office)?

Again, politcal campaigns make for interesting bedfellows...

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Just a quick question to the DeSantis guys who have said they won't vote for Trump.

If DeSantis was Trump's VP would you vote for Trump in the presidential election?

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Would save my gas money

Gonna need every dime I got to afford to live

Right now, DeSantis is positioned between the Trump end of the party and the establishment end - he's the bridge. For a "compromise" candidate, he's actually the most conservative.

DeSantis's problem is this middle portion has quite a few Trump-sympathetic people from the lawsuits, political inertia, etc. that he needs to flip. I think he can do it in IA, the CNN story a couple days ago highlights that ability, but can he do it elsewhere?

Cruz wasn't his running mate though.

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Just a quick question to the DeSantis guys who have said they won't vote for Trump.

If DeSantis was Trump's VP would you vote for Trump in the presidential election?

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There may have been a chance of this before Trump decided to have his surrogates claim DeSantis' wife faked cancer. Not now though, so there is no point in even thinking about it. These are the consequences of having an undisciplined clown as the figurative head of the party.

🔥🚨DEVELOPING: The Black community of Chicago are asking for Republicans or President Trump to come visit them because ‘they are done with the Democratic Party.’

I believe the GOP should schedule that meeting. I am willing to help make it happen. pic.twitter.com/Cp6s6JpMpm

— Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives (@dom_lucre) December 4, 2023

May be anecdotal may also be a sign of true and lasting abandonment of the Dem party by a block of black voters?

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Cruz wasn't his running mate though.

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You're right...but go back to 1979-1980 when Reagan vs Bush was an extremely heated and ugly battle...Bush basically forced his way onto the ticket as the VP runnning mate...

Folks forget about these things because there was no social media to cover the true ugliness that went on back then between political rivals...

Bush and Reagan were anything BUT "friends"...

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TRM said:

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Cruz wasn't his running mate though.

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You're right...but go back to 1979-1980 when Reagan vs Bush was an extremely heated and ugly battle...Bush basically forced his way onto the ticket as the VP runnning mate...

Folks forget about these things because there was no social media to cover the true ugliness that went on back then between political rivals...

Bush and Reagan were anything BUT "friends"...

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The issue is that these DeSantis fanatics truly looks down on the Trump base. They don't want to be associated with them. It is like how white people would shy away from calling rednecks white people. Their fanaticism is a poor representation of the actual candidates and of what can actually happen.

It is funny how they are so quick to so how anti-Trump they are they wouldn't even vote for Trump if DeSantis was VP. Ignoring the setup that would be for DeSantis in 2028 and the sheer obviousness that Trump + DeSantis >>>> any democrat option.

Just based on experience..."never" is a really big word, and more times than not, folks who speak in absolutes often wind up backtracking...

Is it possible, maybe even perhaps probable at this moment that DeSantis would not be considered (or consider on his end) as a Trump running mate in 2024? Absolutely...

Is it 100% carved in stone? Hell no...

Why? Politics...

Nobody that has served with Trump has come out better afterwards. DeSantis would be dumb to accept the position.

Yeah I agree. Just stating why absolutes should be expected. It is ironically a form of hyperbole.

In terms of the Dunning Kruger curve, it reflects the most dangerous point of high confidence and low skill/knowledge. More knowledge would make people less assured.

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🔥🚨DEVELOPING: The Black community of Chicago are asking for Republicans or President Trump to come visit them because ‘they are done with the Democratic Party.’

I believe the GOP should schedule that meeting. I am willing to help make it happen. pic.twitter.com/Cp6s6JpMpm

— Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives (@dom_lucre) December 4, 2023

May be anecdotal may also be a sign of true and lasting abandonment of the Dem party by a block of black voters?

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This reminds me of a Steve Deace segment from about a week ago when Trump got the BLM guy endorsing him.

Essentially he talked about how there is no better grift out there than Black former Dems who are saying that the Black vote is going to shift to DeSantis. It's like crack for White Baby Boomer Republicans who just keep dreaming it will happen though it never does but they will always fall for the trap. Dom is a great example of that paradigm but there are many others. Essentially just be a rando Black person that says Blacks are flipping and you will get CPAC invites and all kinds of press, it's just easy money because it works every time.

It's also absolutely accurate.

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FireAg said:

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TRM said:

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Cruz wasn't his running mate though.

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You're right...but go back to 1979-1980 when Reagan vs Bush was an extremely heated and ugly battle...Bush basically forced his way onto the ticket as the VP runnning mate...

Folks forget about these things because there was no social media to cover the true ugliness that went on back then between political rivals...

Bush and Reagan were anything BUT "friends"...

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The issue is that these DeSantis fanatics truly looks down on the Trump base. They don't want to be associated with them. It is like how white people would shy away from calling rednecks white people. Their fanaticism is a poor representation of the actual candidates and of what can actually happen.

It is funny how they are so quick to so how anti-Trump they are they wouldn't even vote for Trump if DeSantis was VP. Ignoring the setup that would be for DeSantis in 2028 and the sheer obviousness that Trump + DeSantis >>>> any democrat option.

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Lol no - the issue is that Trump thinks it's appropriate to have his followers attack the family members of other candidates or to release official campaign statements that make OnlyFans jokes.

DeSantis will probably lose the primary because people are idiots, but he'll be fine to run again in 2028 without attaching himself to a clown show like Trump.

Dan Scott said:

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Nobody that has served with Trump has come out better afterwards. DeSantis would be dumb to accept the position.

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Nobody, eh?

Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders is on line 1...still politcally relevant and rising in the polls Nikki Haley is on line 2...Mike Pompeo isn't doing too shabby either...he's on line 3...

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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TRM said:

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Cruz wasn't his running mate though.

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You're right...but go back to 1979-1980 when Reagan vs Bush was an extremely heated and ugly battle...Bush basically forced his way onto the ticket as the VP runnning mate...

Folks forget about these things because there was no social media to cover the true ugliness that went on back then between political rivals...

Bush and Reagan were anything BUT "friends"...

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The issue is that these DeSantis fanatics truly looks down on the Trump base. They don't want to be associated with them. It is like how white people would shy away from calling rednecks white people. Their fanaticism is a poor representation of the actual candidates and of what can actually happen.

It is funny how they are so quick to so how anti-Trump they are they wouldn't even vote for Trump if DeSantis was VP. Ignoring the setup that would be for DeSantis in 2028 and the sheer obviousness that Trump + DeSantis >>>> any democrat option.

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Lol no - the issue is that Trump thinks it's appropriate to have his followers attack the family members of other candidates or to release official campaign statements that make OnlyFans jokes.

DeSantis will probably lose the primary because people are idiots, but he'll be fine to run again in 2028 without attaching himself to a clown show like Trump.

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BY 2028 it may be to late. We cant wait that long. Look at the damage the Rats have done since 2020.