Haley curb stomping DeSantis in Iowa for second place after his "BETO" type tour. Best he go another state tour.....

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Haley curb stomping DeSantis in Iowa for second place after his "BETO" type tour. Best he go another state tour.....

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Iowa is retail politics because of their caucus system.

DeSantis needs national ID recognition for a general election. How he can get that, I'm not sure. Going on Tucker on X is out, obviously.

That debate with Newsom garned nearly 6 million viewers but can we really tell which voters that reached?

Out of the box thinking: Target another Dem governor for a debate. Ask Elon to moderate it on X. Challenge Whitmer, Hochul, Katie Hobbs, Pritzker (IL), Murphy (NJ) and the like.

I really find that debates between red and blur state governors really draw the stark comparisons between governing philosophies.

An Elon endorsement wouldn't hurt. If you look at Haley, Vivek, and Trump, all of them have attacked Elon's business. Trump craps on electric cars every chance he gets, Haley wanted to make the internet non anonymous, and Vivek says climate change isn't real.

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An Elon endorsement wouldn't hurt. If you look at Haley, Vivek, and Trump, all of them have attacked Elon's business. Trump craps on electric cars every chance he gets, Haley wanted to make the internet non anonymous, and Vivek says climate change isn't real.

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Elon will not endorse anybody in the primary, is my assessment. But he could moderate a debate.

Or Bill Maher? Maybe Jake Tapper? The more I think about it, DeSantis needs to change something up. A nationwide challenge to any sitting Dem Gov to debate the differences in their governing styles and results would get him some airplay and maybe more traction.

Hawk,
My humble opinion,

DeSantis miscalculated due to bad advice BUT he acted on that advice. He didn't get any kind of bump from the debate.

Newsom is extremely popular with the left and everyone knows Biden has mental issues yet he knows to hold his place even with Biden low approval rating. Huge points made by him with his party.

So, when this shirt show of Desantis ends, does he support Trump or Haley, that should be the question. Strange bedfellows but so was the guy and his VP that used the term voodoo economics during their battles.

In the end, I still think Haley teams with Trump and most Republicans will come around.

3X as many people watched DAL vs SEA on Amazon Prime Thursday Night Football…

FireAg said:

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3X as many people watched DAL vs SEA on Amazon Prime Thursday Night Football…

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Can DeSantis do a halftime performance? LOL.

I have nothing against DeSantis except I'm worried he's the 2024 version of Scott Walker. Just can't gain any traction.

Great analogy…think you're probably right…

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With all the ronald supporters on this site and their positive (LOL) message, you would think ronald would be making his big move.

Instead the gap WIDENS! How can that happen?

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Gap? Where?

Let me guess...in the tard fodder known as "polls"?

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Yes...all those polls that were taken and put out since Thursday night!!! There are dozens of them. DOZENS!!!!

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Waiting for Morning Consult and Emerson to say Trump is up 50 billion.

It's all about Iowa in a little over 40 days, anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand the game. National polling means nothing whatsoever because most people won't be voting until months after the Primaries get going.

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3X as many people watched DAL vs SEA on Amazon Prime Thursday Night Football…

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Uh, it was a Freaking NFL game. Of course they did.

5 million people did watch it though and the real question is how many among that 5 million are in the 200k or so max that will vote in Iowa.

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PA24 said:

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Haley curb stomping DeSantis in Iowa for second place after his "BETO" type tour. Best he go another state tour.....

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Iowa is retail politics because of their caucus system.

DeSantis needs national ID recognition for a general election. How he can get that, I'm not sure. Going on Tucker on X is out, obviously.

That debate with Newsom garned nearly 6 million viewers but can we really tell which voters that reached?

Out of the box thinking: Target another Dem governor for a debate. Ask Elon to moderate it on X. Challenge Whitmer, Hochul, Katie Hobbs, Pritzker (IL), Murphy (NJ) and the like.

I really find that debates between red and blur state governors really draw the stark comparisons between governing philosophies.

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He wins Iowa then people realize he is legit. Then New Hampshire becomes big. Cruz gave Trump a hell of a scare mainly off of Iowa and he doesn't have the funding or organization of DeSantis.

No other Dem is going to debate him after that humiliation of Newsom.

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Great analogy…think you're probably right…

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Walker probably started off with more national name recognition than DeSantis did considering how much Walker was in the national news for a few years before. When he just disappeared from the polls, I was surprised.

Very weird cycle.

Extremely weird…if not unprecedented…

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No other Dem is going to debate him after that humiliation of Newsom.

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My bet is that you are wrong about that.

A) Dems are arrogant
B) They are always eyeing the next office
C) They don't want to be called a coward.


D) Bob Iger needs some help/sarc.

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No other Dem is going to debate him after that humiliation of Newsom.

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My bet is that you are wrong about that.

A) Dems are arrogant
B) They are always eyeing the next office
C) They don't want to be called a coward.


D) Bob Iger needs some help/sarc.

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I hope you are right, I just doubt it. Honestly I didn't even think DeSantis was at his best and it was a complete destruction.

There is no way Newsom is the candidate now and his national brand took a massive hit.

How the **** is trump so far ahead of everyone?

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How the **** is trump so far ahead of everyone?

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Mystery to me. almost everyone I am close to is a conservative and maybe 2 out of 50 are Trump backers. Most people I know think he is a man-child moron with his goofy nicknames and refusal to debate or talk policy.

I dont get these numbers the MSM is reporting in their polls. I bet here on Texags only 30% back Trump.

Given I haven't trusted the MSM in 3 decades, I'll wait for actual voting before drawing any conclusions.

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Hawk,
My humble opinion,

DeSantis miscalculated due to bad advice BUT he acted on that advice. He didn't get any kind of bump from the debate.

Newsom is extremely popular with the left and everyone knows Biden has mental issues yet he knows to hold his place even with Biden low approval rating. Huge points made by him with his party.

So, when this shirt show of Desantis ends, does he support Trump or Haley, that should be the question. Strange bedfellows but so was the guy and his VP that used the term voodoo economics during their battles.

In the end, I still think Haley teams with Trump and most Republicans will come around.

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Come around to what, another election loss or a wall of litigation, the man-child wont resume the office.

Trump is the best thing to ever happen to the democrats. I'm amazed people cant see this.

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Its only "tard fodder" when your *** is being handed to you. You would be pushing those polls if Lifts wasnt getting blown out!.

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LOLnope

I've always been against stupid ass **** like polls. And liberalism, unlike Trump.

It appears RD's campaign apparati are in serious difficulty, given leadership resignations and a defection to Trump during the prior week.

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How the **** is trump so far ahead of everyone?

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It's just the easy, default choice for the tiny percentage of voters who are actually answering polls right now. If DeSantis can win Iowa thanks to the well organized ground game he's been putting in place and remove the air of inevitability around Trump it completely changes the race in my opinion.

Even the most diehard Trumpers on here can't actually provide a reason that they are still supporting him, which is why they only troll and talk about how far ahead he is. I think there are a ton of people who aren't still stuck in the cult and are just looking for a realistic alternative, which can hopefully happen after they see someone else win Iowa.

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How the **** is trump so far ahead of everyone?

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Nice interview with DeSantis on Meet The Press this morning. He asks Donald why are you running - for the American public or your retribution tour.

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How the **** is trump so far ahead of everyone?

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Same reason Biden is supported by the Democrats. Biden has been a trainwreck yet behind the closed doors the left leaders knows the masses continue to prop him up.

Same with Trump, remember he got over 74,000,000 votes in 2020. Like it or not, he will decide who the next President will be. He is not dropping out and a minimum of 30,000,000 will vote for him no matter what.

Our Texas governor knows this and doing the sensible thing by endorsing him.


Don't shoot me, I am just stating the obvious although I will admit it is entertaining, more so than 2016 when it was mostly libs hating on him.

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The chief super PAC supporting Republican presidential candidate Ron DeSantis, Never Back Down, has fired its interim chief executive officer after less than two weeks.

It was the latest in a series of shake-ups as tumult has continued to disrupt the super PAC for weeks.

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Never Back Down fired Kristin Davison on Friday for unspecified "management and personnel issues" just nine days after she replaced Chris Jankowski as CEO, according to two people familiar with the decision. The super PAC named Scott Wagner, a longtime DeSantis ally, as interim CEO, according to an internal email sent Saturday night. Wagner is also replacing former Nevada Attorney General Adam Laxalt as board chairman.


Jankowski left on Nov. 22; Laxalt resigned four days later. Davison's firing came five days after that, and Erin Perrine, a Never Back Down spokesperson, was also fired, according to a person familiar with the matter. Her departure was first reported by Semafor.

And others have also split with the super PAC in recent days, said the two people, who were granted anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss personnel changes. It was not immediately clear how widespread the other departures were.

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The continued shake-ups come amid widespread infighting inside the super PAC and ongoing conflict with the Florida governor's campaign. Last week, NBC News reported on a near-physical altercation between Wagner and top Never Back Down strategist Jeff Roe.

The DeSantis campaign believes Never Back Down's TV ads have been ineffective, those close to the governor say, and campaign manager James Uthmeier this week issued a memo implicitly suggesting the group instead focus on waging a get-out-the vote program.

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WTH is going on?

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How the **** is trump so far ahead of everyone?

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Like in '16, there are way too many candidates.

If everyone but Haley and DeSantis dropped out, they'd get the remaining numbers, and when one of them dropped out, one would get the rest. When it comes down to only two options, and maga only makes up about 35% of the voters on the right, there's not much reason for someone not to beat Trump; voters just need not have more options. The more options there are will always give someone with a solid lock on even a small minority the edge.

Contrary to what many, even in the media, think, maga is not anywhere near the majority of the country or even the Republican Party, but they hold on for dear life to Trump, and that's a political strength.

You could not be more wrong…human nature is to always gravitate toward the front runner, not to mention gravitating toward a known entity that made their lives better than the train wreck placed in power these last 3 years…

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You could not be more wrong…human nature is to always gravitate toward the front runner, not to mention gravitating toward a known entity that made their lives better than the train wreck placed in power these last 3 years…

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Trump was nowhere near the front-runner in '16, and yet he still won. Human nature would have assured Jeb get the nomination, yet he didn't because Trump had a lock on a small, but solid percentage. The right loved W while he was in office, and what better than to have another Bush in office? Answer: Someone who wasn't anywhere near the top of the polls for a good amount of time yet kept his base locked until it was too late for the rest to do anything about it.

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It appears RD's campaign apparati are in serious difficulty, given leadership resignations and a defection to Trump during the prior week.

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Been hearing this for about 3 months now.

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sharpdressedman said:

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It appears RD's campaign apparati are in serious difficulty, given leadership resignations and a defection to Trump during the prior week.

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Been hearing this for about 3 months now.

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MAGA repeats it over and over and over.

It is just another MAGA lie that they have to bring up because they have nothing else.

Tucker Carlson on Biden's DOJ arresting the Presidential frontrunner Donald Trump

"Trump became the nominee in August 2022 when the FBI went through his wife's underwear drawer in his house."

"If this is allowed to happen, our system won't continue."

"That's a political… pic.twitter.com/4gdjdMoPyu

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 2, 2023

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FireAg said:

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You could not be more wrong…human nature is to always gravitate toward the front runner, not to mention gravitating toward a known entity that made their lives better than the train wreck placed in power these last 3 years…

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Trump was nowhere near the front-runner in '16, and yet he still won. Human nature would have assured Jeb get the nomination, yet he didn't because Trump had a lock on a small, but solid percentage. The right loved W while he was in office, and what better than to have another Bush in office? Answer: Someone who wasn't anywhere near the top of the polls for a good amount of time yet kept his base locked until it was too late for the rest to do anything about it.

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Yep. It was Trump vs Not Trump throughout the 2016 election. Only Not Trump was split 15 ways, so Trump always had more supporters than each sliver of Not Trump.

This won him primary after primary with slim margins until enough candidates had dropped out, but by then he had it essentially sewn up.

This election started out that way, but at least now, most of the Not Trump splitters are gone (the ones left that are not named Ron, Nikki, or Vivek don't count).

I think by the Iowa caucus, it will EFFECTIVELY be just Trump vs Not Trump (Ron, Nikki). I say effectively, since Vivek has his own money to keep going but I think he's getting towards the end of any real support going forward.

Then it will be interesting...if DeSantis or Haley win any of Iowa/NH/SC, even splitting them, that will change the entire dynamic of the race.

I agree that Trump has his SOLID 25-30% locked in base. But, then there's probably 25-30% that is NEVER Trump. The rest is up for grabs.

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Tucker Carlson on Biden's DOJ arresting the Presidential frontrunner Donald Trump

"Trump became the nominee in August 2022 when the FBI went through his wife's underwear drawer in his house."

"If this is allowed to happen, our system won't continue."

"That's a political… pic.twitter.com/4gdjdMoPyu

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 2, 2023

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Ths is the mindset that will screw us all. We will be allowing the left to decide our candidate instead of picking the right one. We are suckers who allow ourselves to be manipulated even though it's obvious what the smart choice is.

aggiehawg said:

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Tucker Carlson on Biden's DOJ arresting the Presidential frontrunner Donald Trump

"Trump became the nominee in August 2022 when the FBI went through his wife's underwear drawer in his house."

"If this is allowed to happen, our system won't continue."

"That's a political… pic.twitter.com/4gdjdMoPyu

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) December 2, 2023

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No thanks. Don't really care what the left does, I'm going to stick to supporting the candidate that is objectively much better than Trump in every single way and is also much more likely to win against Biden/Newsom.