aggie93 said:

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I can't believe this is real but apparently it is.

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And MAGA will cheer that on and dutifully repeat the same insults like the good NPCs they are.

FireAg said:

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Agree with you 100%…

My fear has been the only way to get back to the right side of the equation is to blow things up and start again…

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Obviously that is not my preference. Our country has survived challenges before and our Constitution placed to the side before such as te Civil War, WWI and WWII. It was wrong then but was corrected later.

What is happening now cannot be corrected because the people employing it cannot be removed nor smacked down by a court. Not even SCOTUS has the fortitude to defend the federal Constitution anymore.

And that, scares the crap out of me. SCOTUS is afraid of the Mob outside of their homes.

aggie93 said:

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I can't believe this is real but apparently it is.

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He gets more pathetic and less Presidential every day. Hell, I wouldn't elect someone who put out that message as President of my HOA or PTA, much less President of our country.

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What a reason - he had his house raided.

Forget policies, effectiveness, character, communications skills etc. He had his house raided is what matters to Tucker.

That's pathetically weak. That's as bad as mean tweets for a reason to vote against him.

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Disagree. There is a principle at play here. If the justice system can be twisted and contorted for use for a political agenda, and a political agenda alone, it is the end of due process.

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That's still not a reason to vote for him for POTUS.

Yes...all of that was wrong. And should be addressed.

That is independent of whether or not he should be in charge of the country for the next 4 years.

I mean when you are calling him a horny crackhead porn model I just don't know what's left in terms of insults.

The cool thing is tomorrow he will post about how we all need to unify behind him again and give him our money.

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I will watch the debate tonight to see if DeSantis has that bull in a china shop ability because to stop this lawfare for political reasons will require that.

I became disillusioned with my former profession a long time ago but now I am really afraid our entire judicial system is nearing collapse into show trials much like those of communist.dictatorial countries.

Call me a chicken little if you want but my concern is one of basic principles and my now damaged belief that our Constitution will save us. That only will work if the Constitution is followed and due process is preserved. One of my main concerns with Rehnquist was on his watering down 4th amendment rights and what constitutes probable cause for searches. So this concern is not a new one for me.

What is new, is adding the politics to the definition of probable cause. So I can agree with Tucker that there is a Rubicon that is being crossed here and not enough people are screaming yet.

I mean no disrespect to you as a poster and I hope you can understand that my position really has nothing to do with Trump or DeSantis. It really is based upon principle and nipping such a bad precedent in American politics and law in the bud. Wilson is widely considered as as the worst Presidents by conservatives for good reason. He put his political opponents in jail. And here we are, back to that again.

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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SA68AG said:

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What a reason - he had his house raided.

Forget policies, effectiveness, character, communications skills etc. He had his house raided is what matters to Tucker.

That's pathetically weak. That's as bad as mean tweets for a reason to vote against him.

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Disagree. There is a principle at play here. If the justice system can be twisted and contorted for use for a political agenda, and a political agenda alone, it is the end of due process.

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That's still not a reason to vote for him for POTUS.

Yes...all of that was wrong. And should be addressed.

That is independent of whether or not he should be in charge of the country for the next 4 years.

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How? Because it will not be independent.

Whoa. This is why it's funny when Trumpers get butt hurt about insults. Look at their leader.

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aggie93 said:

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I can't believe this is real but apparently it is.

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He sounds very threatened.

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He sounds no different than he has for over a decade, it's just now it's become obvious that this is who he is and that it's not an act. And people like maga love this about him and wonder why everyone else on the planet is done with him.

Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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I will watch the debate tonight to see if DeSantis has that bull in a china shop ability because to stop this lawfare for political reasons will require that.

I became disillusioned with my former profession a long time ago but now I am really afraid our entire judicial system is nearing collapse into show trials much like those of communist.dictatorial countries.

Call me a chicken little if you want but my concern is one of basic principles and my now damaged belief that our Constitution will save us. That only will work if the Constitution is followed and due process is preserved. One of my main concerns with Rehnquist was on his watering down 4th amendment rights and what constitutes probable cause for searches. So this concern is not a new one for me.

What is new, is adding the politics to the definition of probable cause. So I can agree with Tucker that there is a Rubicon that is being crossed here and not enough people are screaming yet.

I mean no disrespect to you as a poster and I hope you can understand that my position really has nothing to do with Trump or DeSantis. It really is based upon principle and nipping such a bad precedent in American politics and law in the bud. Wilson is widely considered as as the worst Presidents by conservatives for good reason. He put his political opponents in jail. And here we are, back to that again.

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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MAGA JERKWAD!

Never question his royal hindass Trump.


It will be different this time.

IT IS MAGA TIME

Hammer Time was cooler though

aggie93 said:

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I can't believe this is real but apparently it is.

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such an infantile, garbage tier has been.

Sad really.

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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I am so tired of posters deliberately conflating my position as being a Trump voter and only a Trump voter.

I am not. But by all means continue to ignore that. I asked if DeSantis has the brass balls to fix it.

Does he? I don't know.

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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I am so tired of posters deliberately conflating my position as being a Trump voter and only a Trump voter.

I am not. But by all means continue to ignore that. I asked if DeSantis has the brass balls to fix it.

Does he? I don't know.

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Why couldn't Trump fix it in his 4 years as President?

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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I am so tired of posters deliberately conflating my position as being a Trump voter and only a Trump voter.

I am not. But by all means continue to ignore that. I asked if DeSantis has the brass balls to fix it.

Does he? I don't know.

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It is a sign of their insecurity. Anyone who is not lockstep with them, is against them. It is best observed in how they love to gang up together and then never police their own.

Just look at how they cry about polls being shared on this the DeSantis vs Trump thread. They call it trolling. They aren't serious people, which is a shame because many of them are capable of reasoned replies it just generally can't involve Trump.

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aggie93 said:

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I can't believe this is real but apparently it is.

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such an infantile, garbage tier has been.

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Cool part is this is from his Spokesman who is the new Kayleigh McEnany. Once he is the Nominee this is the guy who will be on the Sunday Shows and out speaking for Trump to the Press. This is going to be the face of the campaign:

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aggiehawg said:

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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I am so tired of posters deliberately conflating my position as being a Trump voter and only a Trump voter.

I am not. But by all means continue to ignore that. I asked if DeSantis has the brass balls to fix it.

Does he? I don't know.

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It is a sign of their insecurity. Anyone who is not lockstep with them, is against them. It is best observed in how they love to gang up together and then never police their own.

Just look at how they cry about polls being shared on this the DeSantis vs Trump thread. They call it trolling. They aren't serious people, which is a shame because many of them are capable of reasoned replies it just generally can't involve Trump.

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Yea, it's the people who want the actual conservative to win who aren't serious; not the people who are supporting this garbage. I'm sure you'll find some way to defend this too though.

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texagbeliever said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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I am so tired of posters deliberately conflating my position as being a Trump voter and only a Trump voter.

I am not. But by all means continue to ignore that. I asked if DeSantis has the brass balls to fix it.

Does he? I don't know.

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It is a sign of their insecurity. Anyone who is not lockstep with them, is against them. It is best observed in how they love to gang up together and then never police their own.

Just look at how they cry about polls being shared on this the DeSantis vs Trump thread. They call it trolling. They aren't serious people, which is a shame because many of them are capable of reasoned replies it just generally can't involve Trump.

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Yea, it's the people who want the actual conservative to win who aren't serious; not the people who are supporting this garbage. I'm sure you'll find some way to defend this too though.

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And notice we already have one of them on this thread, agreeing with this garbage.

They've been doing the same damn thing to me for months…if you don't come out with immediate Trump hate, and only point to pro-DeSantis stuff, you're MAGA…

They literally have blinders on…

aggie93 seems to be the only one here who can at least discuss things rationally…

They were burning federal courts in Oregon and the head of the federal government didn't do anything about it. After the election, he cried fraud and failed miserably at making his case by hiring the most incompetent lawyers to fight for him.

But he's going to fix the judicial system this time.

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aggiehawg said:

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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I am so tired of posters deliberately conflating my position as being a Trump voter and only a Trump voter.

I am not. But by all means continue to ignore that. I asked if DeSantis has the brass balls to fix it.

Does he? I don't know.

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Why couldn't Trump fix it in his 4 years as President?

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Absolutely disingenuous to even ask that question because you already know why…

He was in the middle of being persecuted while the Left, the media, and the establishment all made up the "crimes" he was being persecuted for…

He was having to deal with an evolving coup real time…DeSantis would be approaching it from a problem that happened and now needs to be fixed…

Two totally different scenarios…

Welcome to my world bud the last 6 years. If you weren't 100% Trump yourTDS or CM, or Lib or whatever.

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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I am so tired of posters deliberately conflating my position as being a Trump voter and only a Trump voter.

I am not. But by all means continue to ignore that. I asked if DeSantis has the brass balls to fix it.

Does he? I don't know.

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It is a sign of their insecurity. Anyone who is not lockstep with them, is against them. It is best observed in how they love to gang up together and then never police their own.

Just look at how they cry about polls being shared on this the DeSantis vs Trump thread. They call it trolling. They aren't serious people, which is a shame because many of them are capable of reasoned replies it just generally can't involve Trump.

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Yea, it's the people who want the actual conservative to win who aren't serious; not the people who are supporting this garbage. I'm sure you'll find some way to defend this too though.

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As predicted hahaha

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Welcome to my world bud the last 6 years. If you weren't 100% Trump yourTDS or CM, or Lib or whatever.

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Lemme ask you this…did I ever do that to you or anyone else here in this forum?

No, I didn't…

So why do some of y'all treat me personally the way you don't want to be treated?

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Tanya 93 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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I am so tired of posters deliberately conflating my position as being a Trump voter and only a Trump voter.

I am not. But by all means continue to ignore that. I asked if DeSantis has the brass balls to fix it.

Does he? I don't know.

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Why couldn't Trump fix it in his 4 years as President?

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Absolutely disingenuous to even ask that question because you already know why…

He was in the middle of being persecuted while the Left, the media, and the establishment all made up the "crimes" he was being persecuted for…

He was having to deal with an evolving coup real time…DeSantis would be approaching it from a problem that happened and now needs to be fixed…

Two totally different scenarios…

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And it will be different for him now? How?

Tanya 93 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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I am so tired of posters deliberately conflating my position as being a Trump voter and only a Trump voter.

I am not. But by all means continue to ignore that. I asked if DeSantis has the brass balls to fix it.

Does he? I don't know.

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Why couldn't Trump fix it in his 4 years as President?

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He only had full control of Congress for 2 years. No way the dealmaker supreme could accomplish much during that time.

He was also impeached twice, not counting the 2.5 year investigation for his ties with Russia Russia Russia.

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FireAg said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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I am so tired of posters deliberately conflating my position as being a Trump voter and only a Trump voter.

I am not. But by all means continue to ignore that. I asked if DeSantis has the brass balls to fix it.

Does he? I don't know.

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Why couldn't Trump fix it in his 4 years as President?

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Absolutely disingenuous to even ask that question because you already know why…

He was in the middle of being persecuted while the Left, the media, and the establishment all made up the "crimes" he was being persecuted for…

He was having to deal with an evolving coup real time…DeSantis would be approaching it from a problem that happened and now needs to be fixed…

Two totally different scenarios…

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And it will be different for him now? How?

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Don't know that it will…but he IS the face of the opposition…he IS the face of the wronged…

So whether you, I, or anyone else personally think he CAN be the one to fix it, it's irrelevant…. Why? Because the voting masses are behind HIM, whether any of us like it or not…

That's REALITY…

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aggie93 said:

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I can't believe this is real but apparently it is.

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He sounds very threatened. Childish, operating at a third grade level with his name calling.

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FIFY

Its stuff like this that has absolutely convinced me Trump has devolved into a 4th rate clown. How can anyone take him seriously.

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Tanya 93 said:

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FireAg said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Exactly how does electing Trump fix the problem?

What plan does he have to change things?

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I am so tired of posters deliberately conflating my position as being a Trump voter and only a Trump voter.

I am not. But by all means continue to ignore that. I asked if DeSantis has the brass balls to fix it.

Does he? I don't know.

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Why couldn't Trump fix it in his 4 years as President?

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Absolutely disingenuous to even ask that question because you already know why…

He was in the middle of being persecuted while the Left, the media, and the establishment all made up the "crimes" he was being persecuted for…

He was having to deal with an evolving coup real time…DeSantis would be approaching it from a problem that happened and now needs to be fixed…

Two totally different scenarios…

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And it will be different for him now? How?

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Don't know that it will…but he IS the face of the opposition…he IS the face of the wronged…

So whether you, I, or anyone else personally think he CAN be the one to fix it, it's irrelevant…. Why? Because the voting masses are behind HIM, whether any of us like it or not…

That's REALITY…

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Wrong. Maybe 30% the other 50% straight up hate they guy. Then there are those 20% conservatives that will not vote for a DemoRat but the rate Trumps going I might set this one out.

It would be one thing to beat DeSantis or Haley on the issues but Trump doesnt talk issues. The man forgot how to work. He sets in his bunker and issues garbage from his so-called social truth.

Cant respect a lazy man and coward..

Ignore the polls all you want, my friend…

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Ignore the polls all you want, my friend…

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Sorry no respect but I place no respect for polls anymore.

I want to support and defend tha federal Constitution but that makes me only a Trump supporter, somehow?

FireAg said:

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Ignore the polls all you want, my friend…

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Gladly unfortunately for you Trump has only a narrow leader over Biden, the worst Presidential candidate in history. And the Rats have yet to release the dogs of political war. That happens after the nomination. No way the establishment allows Trump to take the presidency. They will have a hurricane of litigation in the pipeline should their cheating fail. And they will cheat.

This will create a huge 1859 style political crises in this country. When all we have to do is nominate a younger more effective candidate.

Will the rats cheat against DeSantis--Yes of course but it would be much more difficult given the Rats have no where near the so-called legal ammo against DeSantis.

I simply dont understand how people cant see this. Trump is not worth destroying the Republic over. DeSantis knows how to beat these rats. He did it Florida and he can do it Nationally.

Remember in 2020 Trump lost because he is an easy target and was out.

aggiehawg said:

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Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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SA68AG said:

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What a reason - he had his house raided.

Forget policies, effectiveness, character, communications skills etc. He had his house raided is what matters to Tucker.

That's pathetically weak. That's as bad as mean tweets for a reason to vote against him.

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Disagree. There is a principle at play here. If the justice system can be twisted and contorted for use for a political agenda, and a political agenda alone, it is the end of due process.

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That's still not a reason to vote for him for POTUS.

Yes...all of that was wrong. And should be addressed.

That is independent of whether or not he should be in charge of the country for the next 4 years.

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How? Because it will not be independent.

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Not sure.

I know DeSantis has provided some plans and has implemented some of them in Florida.

What plan does Trump have?

Because if the main reason that Trump should be elected is predicated on the fact that he was legally wronged, I'd like to know what he plans to do to prevent that from happening again.