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Sure, let's call the game at half time.

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If Iowa is the prize, you're down 3 TDs with 7 min left in the 4th…

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The point is Trump knows he already has his base R support. He doesn't have to spend his efforts winning over primary republicans by racing to the right, he can instead attack strongholds of the left. In this case independents.

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I just disagree that he'll win over anybody by claiming allegiance/alliance/whatever with BLM.

The only people still backing BLM are far enough left that they're not going to be persuaded by any argument to vote for Trump. All they'll do is label any black people supporting Trump as "Uncle Toms".

And I'll bet that any black people currently supporting Trump aren't fans of BLM.

Those are two wholely seperate groups and Trump isn't winning over either of them by exaggerared claims that he's working with and/or beloved by BLM. It shows an inability to read the audience and another example of Trump losing his touch.

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I think you are looking at support of BLM in a very black and white nature. Some people just don't associate BLM with riots and destruction for whatever reason (ignorance, cognitive dissonance, etc). There are moderates who say they would support BLM but who also wouldn't loot and burn things down. If you asked them do you associate BLM with riots and looting they would say no. That person is much more moderate than I think you are giving them credit for being. Yes there are plenty of people in BLM who are extreme (especially leadership) that are 0% voting Trump or DeSantis but those people are overrepresented in your imagination of the group's makeup.

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texagbeliever said:

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The point is Trump knows he already has his base R support. He doesn't have to spend his efforts winning over primary republicans by racing to the right, he can instead attack strongholds of the left. In this case independents.

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Please don't tell me you actually think Trump comparing himself to Lincoln is going to win over independents.

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I don't think this tweet is a big deal. I think it is typical Trump focusing on his target demographic which is more moderate. While DeSantis focuses on the base conservatives. Both are doing good things by being effective in their impact on the voting electorate even when they aren't working together.

I liken it to heavy infantry division vs calvary division. You ask the heavy infantry to hold the line and not break (DeSantis and conservatives) while you ask the calvary to flank and protect the flanks (Trump and moderates/less engaged electorate). If you ask heavy infantry to flank they are too slow and will accomplish nothing. If you ask the calvary to hold the line they will be at a disadvantage because they need space and freedom to be effective.

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Sure, let's call the game at half time.

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If Iowa is the prize, you're down 3 TDs with 7 min left in the 4th…

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Interestingly, Atlanta was up 19 with 9 minutes left in the Super Bowl when NE started their comeback. Trump has a habit of blowing leads in GA like the Falcons.

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Sure, let's call the game at half time.

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If Iowa is the prize, you're down 3 TDs with 7 min left in the 4th…

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I guess Trump is all set then, nothing to worry about!

There's plenty to worry about with him as the nominee…but that's not my point…

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The point is Trump knows he already has his base R support. He doesn't have to spend his efforts winning over primary republicans by racing to the right, he can instead attack strongholds of the left. In this case independents.

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Please don't tell me you actually think Trump comparing himself to Lincoln is going to win over independents.

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I don't think this tweet is a big deal. I think it is typical Trump focusing on his target demographic which is more moderate. While DeSantis focuses on the base conservatives. Both are doing good things by being effective in their impact on the voting electorate even when they aren't working together.

I liken it to heavy infantry division vs calvary division. You ask the heavy infantry to hold the line and not break (DeSantis and conservatives) while you ask the calvary to flank and protect the flanks (Trump and moderates/less engaged electorate). If you ask heavy infantry to flank they are too slow and will accomplish nothing. If you ask the calvary to hold the line they will be at a disadvantage because they need space and freedom to be effective.

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We're aware you don't think it's a big deal, as in most cases you'll bend over backwards to justify or downplay every dumb and undisciplined thing he says or does.

In this case, as usual, there's no strategy. It's not much more complicated than Trump being obsessed with people who inflate his giant ego. It doesn't matter if they are a part of what is basically a terrorist group like BLM, if they are diehard liberals like Cuomo or Newsome, or a North Korean dictator. The only thing he cares about is if people compliment him.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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The point is Trump knows he already has his base R support. He doesn't have to spend his efforts winning over primary republicans by racing to the right, he can instead attack strongholds of the left. In this case independents.

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Please don't tell me you actually think Trump comparing himself to Lincoln is going to win over independents.

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I don't think this tweet is a big deal. I think it is typical Trump focusing on his target demographic which is more moderate. While DeSantis focuses on the base conservatives. Both are doing good things by being effective in their impact on the voting electorate even when they aren't working together.

I liken it to heavy infantry division vs calvary division. You ask the heavy infantry to hold the line and not break (DeSantis and conservatives) while you ask the calvary to flank and protect the flanks (Trump and moderates/less engaged electorate). If you ask heavy infantry to flank they are too slow and will accomplish nothing. If you ask the calvary to hold the line they will be at a disadvantage because they need space and freedom to be effective.

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We're aware you don't think it's a big deal, as in most cases you'll bend over backwards to justify or downplay every dumb and undisciplined thing he says or does.

In this case, as usual, there's no strategy. It's not much more complicated than Trump being obsessed with people who inflate his giant ego. It doesn't matter if they are a part of what is basically a terrorist group like BLM, if they are diehard liberals like Cuomo or Newsome, or a North Korean dictator. The only thing he cares about is if people compliment him.

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Please define how you think this is a big deal.

Again, BLM has many moderate supporters. Just because you see BLM as being associated with Riots, Racism and Looting doesn't mean other people do. There has been an entire MSM push to hide that fact. I think you are too quick to write off people as your forever enemy. I think that is foolish.

There is this psychology that it is much more effective to persuade someone by inviting them to join you then to force them to repent and admit they are wrong. That is what Trump is doing here.

Just curious do you think it is fair to say that Trump supports BLM or do you not care to call out the ridiculous hot takes by your fellow F16 DeSantis bros?

texagbeliever said:

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texagbeliever said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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texagbeliever said:

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The point is Trump knows he already has his base R support. He doesn't have to spend his efforts winning over primary republicans by racing to the right, he can instead attack strongholds of the left. In this case independents.

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Please don't tell me you actually think Trump comparing himself to Lincoln is going to win over independents.

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I don't think this tweet is a big deal. I think it is typical Trump focusing on his target demographic which is more moderate. While DeSantis focuses on the base conservatives. Both are doing good things by being effective in their impact on the voting electorate even when they aren't working together.

I liken it to heavy infantry division vs calvary division. You ask the heavy infantry to hold the line and not break (DeSantis and conservatives) while you ask the calvary to flank and protect the flanks (Trump and moderates/less engaged electorate). If you ask heavy infantry to flank they are too slow and will accomplish nothing. If you ask the calvary to hold the line they will be at a disadvantage because they need space and freedom to be effective.

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We're aware you don't think it's a big deal, as in most cases you'll bend over backwards to justify or downplay every dumb and undisciplined thing he says or does.

In this case, as usual, there's no strategy. It's not much more complicated than Trump being obsessed with people who inflate his giant ego. It doesn't matter if they are a part of what is basically a terrorist group like BLM, if they are diehard liberals like Cuomo or Newsome, or a North Korean dictator. The only thing he cares about is if people compliment him.

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Please define how you think this is a big deal.

Again, BLM has many moderate supporters. Just because you see BLM as being associated with Riots, Racism and Looting doesn't mean other people do. There has been an entire MSM push to hide that fact. I think you are too quick to write off people as your forever enemy. I think that is foolish.

There is this psychology that it is much more effective to persuade someone by inviting them to join you then to force them to repent and admit they are wrong. That is what Trump is doing here.

Just curious do you think it is fair to say that Trump supports BLM or do you not care to call out the ridiculous hot takes by your fellow F16 DeSantis bros?

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In a vacuum, because he says so many insane things pretty much every day at this point, it won't be a big deal. But when he starts saying more stuff like this (I.e. comparing his help for black people with the person who literally freed the slaves) and the everyday people in the middle in Georgia, AZ and PA start paying attention again it will absolutely hurt him and they will be reminded a. that he's a joke and b. why they didn't vote for him in 2020.

What makes less sense is why people continue to downplay or justify this type of stuff from someone who wants to be in the most important position in the world. Him saying stuff like this doesn't matter when he's just a sideshow reality tv clown like he's been his whole career, but it definitely matters now. We can do so much better but for some reason a sizable chunk of republicans are apparently stuck following a conman off the cliff.

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texagbeliever said:

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The point is Trump knows he already has his base R support. He doesn't have to spend his efforts winning over primary republicans by racing to the right, he can instead attack strongholds of the left. In this case independents.

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I just disagree that he'll win over anybody by claiming allegiance/alliance/whatever with BLM.

The only people still backing BLM are far enough left that they're not going to be persuaded by any argument to vote for Trump. All they'll do is label any black people supporting Trump as "Uncle Toms".

And I'll bet that any black people currently supporting Trump aren't fans of BLM.

Those are two wholely seperate groups and Trump isn't winning over either of them by exaggerared claims that he's working with and/or beloved by BLM. It shows an inability to read the audience and another example of Trump losing his touch.

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I think you are looking at support of BLM in a very black and white nature. Some people just don't associate BLM with riots and destruction for whatever reason (ignorance, cognitive dissonance, etc). There are moderates who say they would support BLM but who also wouldn't loot and burn things down. If you asked them do you associate BLM with riots and looting they would say no. That person is much more moderate than I think you are giving them credit for being. Yes there are plenty of people in BLM who are extreme (especially leadership) that are 0% voting Trump or DeSantis but those people are overrepresented in your imagination of the group's makeup.

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We'll just have to just agree to disagree. But I appreciate your reasoned response as opposed to just a troll post like other posters.

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texagbeliever said:

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texagbeliever said:

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The point is Trump knows he already has his base R support. He doesn't have to spend his efforts winning over primary republicans by racing to the right, he can instead attack strongholds of the left. In this case independents.

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I just disagree that he'll win over anybody by claiming allegiance/alliance/whatever with BLM.

The only people still backing BLM are far enough left that they're not going to be persuaded by any argument to vote for Trump. All they'll do is label any black people supporting Trump as "Uncle Toms".

And I'll bet that any black people currently supporting Trump aren't fans of BLM.

Those are two wholely seperate groups and Trump isn't winning over either of them by exaggerared claims that he's working with and/or beloved by BLM. It shows an inability to read the audience and another example of Trump losing his touch.

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I think you are looking at support of BLM in a very black and white nature. Some people just don't associate BLM with riots and destruction for whatever reason (ignorance, cognitive dissonance, etc). There are moderates who say they would support BLM but who also wouldn't loot and burn things down. If you asked them do you associate BLM with riots and looting they would say no. That person is much more moderate than I think you are giving them credit for being. Yes there are plenty of people in BLM who are extreme (especially leadership) that are 0% voting Trump or DeSantis but those people are overrepresented in your imagination of the group's makeup.

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We'll just have to just agree to disagree. But I appreciate your reasoned response as opposed to just a troll post like other posters.

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Of course. One parting thought on this are the following individuals:
Clearance Thomas: supported the black panthers and communists in college.
Thomas Sowell: Was a marxist in college who switched after seeing marxisim in Cuba
Abby Johnson: Planned Parenthood executive who switched to champion pro-life after seeing an ultra sound

The first two have fought against communism better than 99.99% of people. So many young people will grow up. So many young people identify with BLM or LGBT or whatever social pressure group because they just haven't really thought about the idea yet. I personally don't consider them lost causes. Is it an efficient use of political marketing to see if they will, maybe not. That is a fair argument.

I bet if you walk around a campus and have conversations with college guys and ask them do you feel like you have to have a political opinion and know everything right now, they would say yes. That is a weight that is presently crushing them.

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The point is Trump knows he already has his base R support. He doesn't have to spend his efforts winning over primary republicans by racing to the right, he can instead attack strongholds of the left. In this case independents.

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I just disagree that he'll win over anybody by claiming allegiance/alliance/whatever with BLM.

The only people still backing BLM are far enough left that they're not going to be persuaded by any argument to vote for Trump. All they'll do is label any black people supporting Trump as "Uncle Toms".

And I'll bet that any black people currently supporting Trump aren't fans of BLM.

Those are two wholely seperate groups and Trump isn't winning over either of them by exaggerared claims that he's working with and/or beloved by BLM. It shows an inability to read the audience and another example of Trump losing his touch.

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I think you are looking at support of BLM in a very black and white nature. Some people just don't associate BLM with riots and destruction for whatever reason (ignorance, cognitive dissonance, etc). There are moderates who say they would support BLM but who also wouldn't loot and burn things down. If you asked them do you associate BLM with riots and looting they would say no. That person is much more moderate than I think you are giving them credit for being. Yes there are plenty of people in BLM who are extreme (especially leadership) that are 0% voting Trump or DeSantis but those people are overrepresented in your imagination of the group's makeup.

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We'll just have to just agree to disagree. But I appreciate your reasoned response as opposed to just a troll post like other posters.

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Of course. One parting thought on this are the following individuals:
Clearance Thomas: supported the black panthers and communists in college.
Thomas Sowell: Was a marxist in college who switched after seeing marxisim in Cuba
Abby Johnson: Planned Parenthood executive who switched to champion pro-life after seeing an ultra sound

The first two have fought against communism better than 99.99% of people. So many young people will grow up. So many young people identify with BLM or LGBT or whatever social pressure group because they just haven't really thought about the idea yet. I personally don't consider them lost causes. Is it an efficient use of political marketing to see if they will, maybe not. That is a fair argument.

I bet if you walk around a campus and have conversations with college guys and ask them do you feel like you have to have a political opinion and know everything right now, they would say yes. That is a weight that is presently crushing them.

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While I agree with this there are also many examples of grifters that have played off the desire for conservatives to be convinced that the Black vote is waking up and going to vote Republican.

In truth with this situation it's mainly about the fumble in language that Trump had (which is a regular thing) where he didn't just thank the individual he thanked BLM itself. I doubt he meant to but that is what the post actually said. So mainly I and many others are just once again pointing out Trump being incompetent and trying to make him own his own words which he hurriedly posted while sitting on the can in Mar a Lago. Then the secondary fun is watching his supporters try to justify what he said but having trouble trying to find a way to make it make sense and stick to the narrative.

You are correct though that in the big picture this means nothing. It's a couple day story that only riles up the Twitter crowd and doesn't move the needle.

Going after Moms For Liberty now. The group trying to keep the Trans crap out of schools.

Filter Face should do us all a favor and crawl back under her rock.

One of the most disgusting people walking this planet right now.

She is the poster child for what MAGA morphed into.

Tucker says he's supporting Trump in 2024: "I became an active Trump supporter when they raided Mar-a-Lago last summer. That just can't stand. I'm voting for Trump and if they convict him I will send him the max donations and I will lead protests. That's how I feel." pic.twitter.com/fuMJf3ObRk

— TheBlaze (@theblaze) November 30, 2023

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Tucker says he's supporting Trump in 2024: "I became an active Trump supporter when they raided Mar-a-Lago last summer. That just can't stand. I'm voting for Trump and if they convict him I will send him the max donations and I will lead protests. That's how I feel." pic.twitter.com/fuMJf3ObRk

— TheBlaze (@theblaze) November 30, 2023

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Glad Tucker finally came out and made it official. It was clear after the interview with Trump he was all in, he went softer than MSNBC interviewing Biden. Then of course he did the UFC event. He also has been interviewing a string of Trump folks and Vivek (most recently Bannon) and wouldn't interview DeSantis.

It's kind of sad because Tucker is so much more effective as a neutral voice instead of just being another Trump shill. I would have respected him a lot more had he at least asked Trump about Covid and vaccines since it was such a significant topic for Tucker but he gave him a complete pass.

What a reason - he had his house raided.

Forget policies, effectiveness, character, communications skills etc. He had his house raided is what matters to Tucker.

That's pathetically weak. That's as bad as mean tweets for a reason to vote against him.

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What a reason - he had his house raided.

Forget policies, effectiveness, character, communications skills etc. He had his house raided is what matters to Tucker.

That's pathetically weak. That's as bad as mean tweets for a reason to vote against him.

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Disagree. There is a principle at play here. If the justice system can be twisted and contorted for use for a political agenda, and a political agenda alone, it is the end of due process.

It's all about pissing off the libs. Trump pisses them off the most

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BLM praising Donald Trump — and Trump celebrating it — makes perfect sense.

When BLM was burning down cities and assaulting police officers in cities across this country, Trump did nothing but sit in the White House tweeting “LAW & ORDER!”

We did it differently in Florida. I… pic.twitter.com/bh83GxxNZH

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) November 29, 2023

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Wow you turned out to be a prophet. Some of these Trumpers are true believers no matter what this clown does or says, they will justify it. Trump could declare himself a communist and half of those people would still lick his boots.


Pathetic

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It's all about pissing off the libs. Trump pisses them off the most

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If I was a lib. I'd be cheering for him. Trump is their best weapon against middle America

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BLM praising Donald Trump — and Trump celebrating it — makes perfect sense.

When BLM was burning down cities and assaulting police officers in cities across this country, Trump did nothing but sit in the White House tweeting “LAW & ORDER!”

We did it differently in Florida. I… pic.twitter.com/bh83GxxNZH

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) November 29, 2023

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Wow you turned out to be a prophet. Some of these Trumpers are true believers no matter what this clown does or says, they will justify it. Trump could declare himself a communist and half of those people would still lick his boots.


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When Trump comes out in support of "gender affirming care" for kids, MAGA will support it, just like they are now almost all pro-abortion because Trump wants to make abortion legal nationwide by federal decree.

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What a reason - he had his house raided.

Forget policies, effectiveness, character, communications skills etc. He had his house raided is what matters to Tucker.

That's pathetically weak. That's as bad as mean tweets for a reason to vote against him.

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Disagree. There is a principle at play here. If the justice system can be twisted and contorted for use for a political agenda, and a political agenda alone, it is the end of due process.

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I don't disagree but DeSantis has actually laid out far more detailed plans on how to fix the problem than Trump and is far more likely to succeed in making real change. Trump has massive headwinds and very little time to work with and very few competent people that will work for him because if you tell him what he doesn't want to hear he will burn you at the stake.

I get the rage and I was outraged as well when Trump's house was raided but he isn't going to be the one to fix it. From an ethical perspective he may have to recuse himself from a lot of the issues at hand. If he doesn't then that gives folks one more reason not to help him.

You have to look at the moves down the chess board and see how they will actually play. Virtually every scenario with Trump starts with him getting a Knight or a Rook but ends with him in Check Mate.

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What a reason - he had his house raided.

Forget policies, effectiveness, character, communications skills etc. He had his house raided is what matters to Tucker.

That's pathetically weak. That's as bad as mean tweets for a reason to vote against him.

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It's weak and disgusting. But recall Tucker is just a tv entertainer pouring his liquids on the red meat for those malnourished in need. He won't sway much of the moderate vote.

I will watch the debate tonight to see if DeSantis has that bull in a china shop ability because to stop this lawfare for political reasons will require that.

I became disillusioned with my former profession a long time ago but now I am really afraid our entire judicial system is nearing collapse into show trials much like those of communist.dictatorial countries.

Call me a chicken little if you want but my concern is one of basic principles and my now damaged belief that our Constitution will save us. That only will work if the Constitution is followed and due process is preserved. One of my main concerns with Rehnquist was on his watering down 4th amendment rights and what constitutes probable cause for searches. So this concern is not a new one for me.

What is new, is adding the politics to the definition of probable cause. So I can agree with Tucker that there is a Rubicon that is being crossed here and not enough people are screaming yet.

I mean no disrespect to you as a poster and I hope you can understand that my position really has nothing to do with Trump or DeSantis. It really is based upon principle and nipping such a bad precedent in American politics and law in the bud. Wilson is widely considered as as the worst Presidents by conservatives for good reason. He put his political opponents in jail. And here we are, back to that again.

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Tucker says he's supporting Trump in 2024: "I became an active Trump supporter when they raided Mar-a-Lago last summer. That just can't stand. I'm voting for Trump and if they convict him I will send him the max donations and I will lead protests. That's how I feel." pic.twitter.com/fuMJf3ObRk

— TheBlaze (@theblaze) November 30, 2023

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I just checked the FEC donor list and don't see his name on the itemized donor list (over $200).

Agree with you 100%…

My fear has been the only way to get back to the right side of the equation is to blow things up and start again…

I absolutely agree that what's happened to Trump legally is a joke, a travesty, a corruption of our legal and political systems, and most importantly dangerous.

But I have zero doubt that Trump is the absolute worst candidate between him and DeSantis to try and curb where this is headed. Trump doesn't have the political intelligence or savvy to right this particular ship. Nor will he surround himself with people capable of righting the ship. Nor does he have the gumption to see it all the way through before he's distracted by something else. Nor does he have a plan other than, "I will be the greatest and it will be the most beautiful takedown of my opponents that you've ever seen."

Electing him President simply as a thumb in the eye? Great. But that's all you'll get, while the Dems keep laughing and reforming the laws into their own political attack dog.

He is the face of the victim of this political persecution…

That doesn't mean he is the BEST to deal with it…but he IS the face of it, and that's why he gets the attention…and has the momentum…

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I will watch the debate tonight to see if DeSantis has that bull in a china shop ability because to stop this lawfare for political reasons will require that.

I became disillusioned with my former profession a long time ago but now I am really afraid our entire judicial system is nearing collapse into show trials much like those of communist.dictatorial countries.

Call me a chicken little if you want but my concern is one of basic principles and my now damaged belief that our Constitution will save us. That only will work if the Constitution is followed and due process is preserved. One of my main concerns with Rehnquist was on his watering down 4th amendment rights and what constitutes probable cause for searches. So this concern is not a new one for me.

What is new, is adding the politics to the definition of probable cause. So I can agree with Tucker that there is a Rubicon that is being crossed here and not enough people are screaming yet.

I mean no disrespect to you as a poster and I hope you can understand that my position really has nothing to do with Trump or DeSantis. It really is based upon principle and nipping such a bad precedent in American politics and law in the bud. Wilson is widely considered as as the worst Presidents by conservatives for good reason. He put his political opponents in jail. And here we are, back to that again.

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I think we see the same problem. I just don't see how Trump can fix it or even destroy it. He is so much talk without backing it up and Covid showed that more than anything. The irony is that DeSantis is so much of what Trump pretends to be when it comes to being a tough guy that fights the hard battles and is willing to go down fighting if he has to. I know you followed what he did with Disney and could see how he managed to take on a giant and take them down, the balls it took to make that move and not waver were incredible.

Part of what makes him so effective by the way is he doesn't come across as the big bad bully but in reality he is. Republicans in the FL Leg were terrified to oppose him last session because he keeps receipts and he knows how to hit where it hurts. Democrats are completely destroyed in that state. Yet you see these nice pics of him and his family and he talks like he barely knows how to cuss at times. In reality he has a massive chip on his shoulder as the middle class religious kid that was the odd ball at Yale and Harvard and hates the elitists it produces, he just hides it very well because he learned how to play the game. He was always outnumbered and had to be very careful because they couldn't trust the people around them and he loves kicking their ass.

Of course I was also a big Cruz guy and like folks with that background (Massie and Roy also fit).

I can't believe this is real but apparently it is.

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I can't believe this is real but apparently it is.

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He sounds very threatened.

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He is the face of the victim of this political persecution…

That doesn't mean he is the BEST to deal with it…but he IS the face of it, and that's why he gets the attention…and has the momentum…

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I agree, and if only his ego had let him just play the victim who will fight this battle in court while passing the political torch to the next generation of conservatives who'll fight this battle in D.C. That would have been true selfless leadership.