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You think people that voted against Trump are going to switch to vote for Trump? They're more likely to leave that line blank or vote 3rd party.

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Yes. I dont know if you have noticed but America isn't doing great at the moment. People will vote based on the economy. Or education. Or wars. Or anything because it is all bad at the moment.

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It truly blows my mind sometimes that even with all of that, trump has destroyed his likability so much that most people still prefer those things over another round of him or his candidates.

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No, people were sold that Biden was just going to be this good ol grandpa that would not be pushing any agenda. He ran on no record and no platform. That won't be the case in 2024. Also amazing how a person hurts their likeability so much that they increase their votes by over 10MM.

2024 will not be the same as 2020.

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You're right, but not the way you think. There has been nothing that Trump has done that has gotten him any more support since 2020. He's done a LOT to lose votes, though. And what Biden did to get votes in 2020 was not be Trump... and guess what... he still isn't. He's not losing the "not Trump" vote because he has fulfilled that campaign "promise".

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You think people that voted against Trump are going to switch to vote for Trump? They're more likely to leave that line blank or vote 3rd party.

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Yes. I dont know if you have noticed but America isn't doing great at the moment. People will vote based on the economy. Or education. Or wars. Or anything because it is all bad at the moment.

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It truly blows my mind sometimes that even with all of that, trump has destroyed his likability so much that most people still prefer those things over another round of him or his candidates.

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No, people were sold that Biden was just going to be this good ol grandpa that would not be pushing any agenda. He ran on no record and no platform. That won't be the case in 2024. Also amazing how a person hurts their likeability so much that they increase their votes by over 10MM.

2024 will not be the same as 2020.

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It doesn't matter if a candidate increases their votes by 10MM if they're such an unlikeable jackass that they also increase the other party's votes by much more than that based on people voting against him.

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Big foreign policy speech by DeSantis this morning. He clarified to anyone talking about a free speech issue with the student groups he shut down. They were not shut down for speech, they were shut down for coordinating with terrorists.

DESANTIS on deactivating ‘Students for Justice in Palestine’ student groups:

“They don’t just stand in solidarity with Hamas,” they admit publicly “that they are part of what Hamas is doing. That is material support to terrorism and that is not going to be tolerated.” pic.twitter.com/EHBcxxFN0H

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) October 27, 2023

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If after an hour a tweet has 350 likes and only 10k views, it isn't going to count as "big". Unless you are fan boying.


By comparison the Rogan quote tweet has 800k views (with 2 more hours). Impartially one of these is "bigger" than the other.

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Those are apples and chickens.

This was a wonky foreign policy speech to the heavy intellectual audience, it's something that is designed to have sound bytes for later and for people who want to understand the candidate in depth to be able to listen to in detail.

You are comparing that to a clip from Joe Rogan from months ago.

Yes, Joe Rogan draws more views than a policy speech at Heritage. If all DeSantis was doing was deep dive policy speeches I would be concerned but he's doing multiple events per day. I would take him spending all day yesterday in NH with Sununu singing his praises and doing retail politics and getting on local TV over some folks on Twitter retweeting an old Rogan mention for Trump as to what is more effective.

We will see though. DeSantis can't win a star power fight with Trump just like he won't win a loyalty test with Trump, thus that isn't his strategy. His strategy is to identify the most likely and most important voters and go after them specifically then hope he gains momentum after IA and NH and it carries him. Worked for Obama. May or may not work for DeSantis.

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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TRM said:

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You think people that voted against Trump are going to switch to vote for Trump? They're more likely to leave that line blank or vote 3rd party.

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Yes. I dont know if you have noticed but America isn't doing great at the moment. People will vote based on the economy. Or education. Or wars. Or anything because it is all bad at the moment.

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It truly blows my mind sometimes that even with all of that, trump has destroyed his likability so much that most people still prefer those things over another round of him or his candidates.

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No, people were sold that Biden was just going to be this good ol grandpa that would not be pushing any agenda. He ran on no record and no platform. That won't be the case in 2024. Also amazing how a person hurts their likeability so much that they increase their votes by over 10MM.

2024 will not be the same as 2020.

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It would be fantastic if all of the voters sick of Biden were to automatically vote blanket Republican in protest of the past 4 years. And that's what the Trump campaign and Trump supporters are counting on.

I just don't realistically see that.

For starters, the Dem candidate won't be Biden. It'll likely be Newsom, and he's going to do everything he can to distance himself from Biden. And the MSM will be complicit in not presenting the full picture of what California has turned into under his rule. They'll do everything they can to present Cali as a haven for enlightened people tired of tyrant governors like DeSantis. That will be enough for many voters to go ahead and give the Dems another try under Newsom.

Why?

Because they really do dislike Trump that much. Trump has not done a single thing to appeal to the voters who disliked him in 2020. Again, he thinks just being "Not Biden" will be enough. The people who hated Trump in 2020, and the additional people who have grown to hate him since then, will latch onto a Dem alternative who's not Biden rather than vote for Trump. Or they simply won't vote at all.

Trump is not automatically winning any votes for the rest of his remaining short lifespan.

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So long as the message gets out to Iowans I don't care the number of views.

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Look at it this way. People seeing DeSantis tweets already were likely DeSantis fans.

A "journalist" posting a Rogan clip (on a podcast that likely has over a million views) is going to hit far more neutral people.

Of those 2 which one is objectively far more significant? You can't seriously think the 80k views are likely way better because more people in Iowa might see it. There is no reason to believe it is more targeted in its location views than the other tweet. That has more than 10x the views.

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Rugg is a Trump influencer and is part of the Trump circle jerk that talks to itself and thinks that is the world as well. He's not a loon but he is very pro Trump, thus regurgitating an old message from months ago and calling it "news".

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Big foreign policy speech by DeSantis this morning. He clarified to anyone talking about a free speech issue with the student groups he shut down. They were not shut down for speech, they were shut down for coordinating with terrorists.

DESANTIS on deactivating ‘Students for Justice in Palestine’ student groups:

“They don’t just stand in solidarity with Hamas,” they admit publicly “that they are part of what Hamas is doing. That is material support to terrorism and that is not going to be tolerated.” pic.twitter.com/EHBcxxFN0H

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) October 27, 2023

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If after an hour a tweet has 350 likes and only 10k views, it isn't going to count as "big". Unless you are fan boying.


By comparison the Rogan quote tweet has 800k views (with 2 more hours). Impartially one of these is "bigger" than the other.

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Those are apples and chickens.

This was a wonky foreign policy speech to the heavy intellectual audience, it's something that is designed to have sound bytes for later and for people who want to understand the candidate in depth to be able to listen to in detail.

You are comparing that to a clip from Joe Rogan from months ago.

Yes, Joe Rogan draws more views than a policy speech at Heritage. If all DeSantis was doing was deep dive policy speeches I would be concerned but he's doing multiple events per day. I would take him spending all day yesterday in NH with Sununu singing his praises and doing retail politics and getting on local TV over some folks on Twitter retweeting an old Rogan mention for Trump as to what is more effective.

We will see though. DeSantis can't win a star power fight with Trump just like he won't win a loyalty test with Trump, thus that isn't his strategy. His strategy is to identify the most likely and most important voters and go after them specifically then hope he gains momentum after IA and NH and it carries him. Worked for Obama. May or may not work for DeSantis.

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You do realize that Trump's election in 2016 was a groundbreaking effort of targeting marketing that allowed for Trump to pull off the greatest upset in modern elections. His election team is incredibly talented. So if you are hoping he can out identify and target independents than Trump that is a bad sign.

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Strange that as conservatives we've shifted from who has the best policy to who's the most popular.

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Almost like it is an election not a purity contest. Crazy stuff i know.

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If you view it as a popularity contest why in the world would we nominate the person who lost a popularity contest to Biden already?

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Gee did you even bother with the context here. Rogan flipping in favor of Trump. Signaling a flip in popularity among moderates. Almost like the 2024 election won't be exactly like 2020. You know, this crazy concept that stuff happens over 4 years that might cause things to change.

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Rogan hasn't flipped on Trump, I don't know how you think that. He said something good about Trump a while back. He also says lots of bad things about Trump. Same as many others. At one point he all but said he would vote for DeSantis if he ran. Now he seems to be an RFK guy because at heart Rogan is a Bernie Sanders liberal. He'll probably change his mind again tomorrow.

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aggie93 said:

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Big foreign policy speech by DeSantis this morning. He clarified to anyone talking about a free speech issue with the student groups he shut down. They were not shut down for speech, they were shut down for coordinating with terrorists.

DESANTIS on deactivating ‘Students for Justice in Palestine’ student groups:

“They don’t just stand in solidarity with Hamas,” they admit publicly “that they are part of what Hamas is doing. That is material support to terrorism and that is not going to be tolerated.” pic.twitter.com/EHBcxxFN0H

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) October 27, 2023

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If after an hour a tweet has 350 likes and only 10k views, it isn't going to count as "big". Unless you are fan boying.


By comparison the Rogan quote tweet has 800k views (with 2 more hours). Impartially one of these is "bigger" than the other.

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Those are apples and chickens.

This was a wonky foreign policy speech to the heavy intellectual audience, it's something that is designed to have sound bytes for later and for people who want to understand the candidate in depth to be able to listen to in detail.

You are comparing that to a clip from Joe Rogan from months ago.

Yes, Joe Rogan draws more views than a policy speech at Heritage. If all DeSantis was doing was deep dive policy speeches I would be concerned but he's doing multiple events per day. I would take him spending all day yesterday in NH with Sununu singing his praises and doing retail politics and getting on local TV over some folks on Twitter retweeting an old Rogan mention for Trump as to what is more effective.

We will see though. DeSantis can't win a star power fight with Trump just like he won't win a loyalty test with Trump, thus that isn't his strategy. His strategy is to identify the most likely and most important voters and go after them specifically then hope he gains momentum after IA and NH and it carries him. Worked for Obama. May or may not work for DeSantis.

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You do realize that Trump's election in 2016 was a groundbreaking effort of targeting marketing that allowed for Trump to pull off the greatest upset in modern elections. His election team is incredibly talented. So if you are hoping he can out identify and target independents than Trump that is a bad sign.

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Sounds like another version of "surrounds himself with the best people" which he is oh so well known for.

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You think people that voted against Trump are going to switch to vote for Trump? They're more likely to leave that line blank or vote 3rd party.

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Yes. I dont know if you have noticed but America isn't doing great at the moment. People will vote based on the economy. Or education. Or wars. Or anything because it is all bad at the moment.

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It truly blows my mind sometimes that even with all of that, trump has destroyed his likability so much that most people still prefer those things over another round of him or his candidates.

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No, people were sold that Biden was just going to be this good ol grandpa that would not be pushing any agenda. He ran on no record and no platform. That won't be the case in 2024. Also amazing how a person hurts their likeability so much that they increase their votes by over 10MM.

2024 will not be the same as 2020.

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Votes increased because of mail in ballots as much as anything, it's just the Democrats were much better at it. Essentially both sides brought more new voters in because the CARES Act funded making it easier than ever to vote and many states jumped in. In the end the percentages were about the same as they were against Hillary though slightly less.

It's about how you win elections not popular vote totals.

texagbeliever said:

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You think people that voted against Trump are going to switch to vote for Trump? They're more likely to leave that line blank or vote 3rd party.

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Yes. I dont know if you have noticed but America isn't doing great at the moment. People will vote based on the economy. Or education. Or wars. Or anything because it is all bad at the moment.

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It truly blows my mind sometimes that even with all of that, trump has destroyed his likability so much that most people still prefer those things over another round of him or his candidates.

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No, people were sold that Biden was just going to be this good ol grandpa that would not be pushing any agenda. He ran on no record and no platform. That won't be the case in 2024. Also amazing how a person hurts their likeability so much that they increase their votes by over 10MM.

2024 will not be the same as 2020.

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It will be worse, as we have seen.

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Big foreign policy speech by DeSantis this morning. He clarified to anyone talking about a free speech issue with the student groups he shut down. They were not shut down for speech, they were shut down for coordinating with terrorists.

DESANTIS on deactivating ‘Students for Justice in Palestine’ student groups:

“They don’t just stand in solidarity with Hamas,” they admit publicly “that they are part of what Hamas is doing. That is material support to terrorism and that is not going to be tolerated.” pic.twitter.com/EHBcxxFN0H

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) October 27, 2023

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If after an hour a tweet has 350 likes and only 10k views, it isn't going to count as "big". Unless you are fan boying.


By comparison the Rogan quote tweet has 800k views (with 2 more hours). Impartially one of these is "bigger" than the other.

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Those are apples and chickens.

This was a wonky foreign policy speech to the heavy intellectual audience, it's something that is designed to have sound bytes for later and for people who want to understand the candidate in depth to be able to listen to in detail.

You are comparing that to a clip from Joe Rogan from months ago.

Yes, Joe Rogan draws more views than a policy speech at Heritage. If all DeSantis was doing was deep dive policy speeches I would be concerned but he's doing multiple events per day. I would take him spending all day yesterday in NH with Sununu singing his praises and doing retail politics and getting on local TV over some folks on Twitter retweeting an old Rogan mention for Trump as to what is more effective.

We will see though. DeSantis can't win a star power fight with Trump just like he won't win a loyalty test with Trump, thus that isn't his strategy. His strategy is to identify the most likely and most important voters and go after them specifically then hope he gains momentum after IA and NH and it carries him. Worked for Obama. May or may not work for DeSantis.

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You do realize that Trump's election in 2016 was a groundbreaking effort of targeting marketing that allowed for Trump to pull off the greatest upset in modern elections. His election team is incredibly talented. So if you are hoping he can out identify and target independents than Trump that is a bad sign.

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First off, Trump has lost virtually all of his team from 2016. If you think Cheung and Wiles are the A Team I guess that's your choice, Trump is being propped by the media as much as anything both Left and Right because he is a ratings machine for them. Second, Trump has a strategy that is similar but also very different than he did in 2016 as the new guy. Third, you are talking about a General Election strategy not a Primary one. Trump is going shotgun.

Trump may well win, he is the favorite and has many advantages. That said my point is that DeSantis is not trying to beat Trump at his own game. DeSantis is playing his game. In terms of targeting I also mean something completely different than you. I mean DeSantis has the names and contact info of exactly who he needs to get to vote for him. In Iowa he has already had a human knock on their door at least twice and had over 20,000 sign up to Caucus for him. DeSantis is going rifle.

That's what Obama did against Hillary, just not quite at the scale of DeSantis and not quite as tech advanced. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. We will find out.

This was a surprisingly personal note about why DeSantis has the foreign policy and military opinions he does based around his service and experience.

MUST WATCH: @RonDeSantis tears into the failed DC foreign policy establishment.

“I came to Congress on the heels of having served in uniform in Iraq during the post-Saddam period of conflict…I knew the suboptimal outcomes in Iraq and Afghanistan represented a failure of U.S.… pic.twitter.com/amykY1mMUw

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) October 27, 2023

Take it fwiw but I think this is probably the best answer he can give on this.

Kaitlan Collins asks DeSantis about why he is down in the polls.

Listen to his answers, it is what me and many of us have been telling you. What is happening on the ground isn't being reflected in polling yet but it will make a huge difference on election day. pic.twitter.com/DgEqsnqoxN

— Unfiltered☢Boss (@Unfilteredboss1) October 27, 2023

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Strange that as conservatives we've shifted from who has the best policy to who's the most popular.

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Almost like it is an election not a purity contest. Crazy stuff i know.

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If you view it as a popularity contest why in the world would we nominate the person who lost a popularity contest to Biden already?

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Gee did you even bother with the context here. Rogan flipping in favor of Trump. Signaling a flip in popularity among moderates. Almost like the 2024 election won't be exactly like 2020. You know, this crazy concept that stuff happens over 4 years that might cause things to change.

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Rogan hasn't flipped on Trump, I don't know how you think that. He said something good about Trump a while back. He also says lots of bad things about Trump. Same as many others. At one point he all but said he would vote for DeSantis if he ran. Now he seems to be an RFK guy because at heart Rogan is a Bernie Sanders liberal. He'll probably change his mind again tomorrow.

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How is a guy (Rogan), who so many hard-core conservatives speak so highly of, be closer to being a Bernie Sanders liberal.

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aggie93 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Old May Banker said:

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Strange that as conservatives we've shifted from who has the best policy to who's the most popular.

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Almost like it is an election not a purity contest. Crazy stuff i know.

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If you view it as a popularity contest why in the world would we nominate the person who lost a popularity contest to Biden already?

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Gee did you even bother with the context here. Rogan flipping in favor of Trump. Signaling a flip in popularity among moderates. Almost like the 2024 election won't be exactly like 2020. You know, this crazy concept that stuff happens over 4 years that might cause things to change.

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Rogan hasn't flipped on Trump, I don't know how you think that. He said something good about Trump a while back. He also says lots of bad things about Trump. Same as many others. At one point he all but said he would vote for DeSantis if he ran. Now he seems to be an RFK guy because at heart Rogan is a Bernie Sanders liberal. He'll probably change his mind again tomorrow.

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How is a guy (Rogan), who so many hard-core conservatives speak so highly of, be closer to being a Bernie Sanders liberal.

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It's sadly because their entire perception of any individual person revolves around whether that person says good or bad things about Trump. Political affiliation, personality, criminal history, none of that matters - just whether or not they compliment Trump.

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texagbeliever said:

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Strange that as conservatives we've shifted from who has the best policy to who's the most popular.

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Almost like it is an election not a purity contest. Crazy stuff i know.

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If you view it as a popularity contest why in the world would we nominate the person who lost a popularity contest to Biden already?

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Gee did you even bother with the context here. Rogan flipping in favor of Trump. Signaling a flip in popularity among moderates. Almost like the 2024 election won't be exactly like 2020. You know, this crazy concept that stuff happens over 4 years that might cause things to change.

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Rogan hasn't flipped on Trump, I don't know how you think that. He said something good about Trump a while back. He also says lots of bad things about Trump. Same as many others. At one point he all but said he would vote for DeSantis if he ran. Now he seems to be an RFK guy because at heart Rogan is a Bernie Sanders liberal. He'll probably change his mind again tomorrow.

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How is a guy (Rogan), who so many hard-core conservatives speak so highly of, be closer to being a Bernie Sanders liberal.

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Rogan's a liberal that doesn't like big government. The democrats have ceded their platform to authoritarian progressives, that tried to take over completely post COVID. Rogan was one of the only guys that had F-you money and was willing to stand up to them. Their efforts to take him down were turned back around on them. He's also relatively a-political, meaning your personality means a lot more to what he thinks of you over your political beliefs. Hence why he's friends with people from Alex Jones to Bill Maher to Kanye to Sarah Silverman

No Spin Ag said:

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texagbeliever said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Old May Banker said:

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Strange that as conservatives we've shifted from who has the best policy to who's the most popular.

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Almost like it is an election not a purity contest. Crazy stuff i know.

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If you view it as a popularity contest why in the world would we nominate the person who lost a popularity contest to Biden already?

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Gee did you even bother with the context here. Rogan flipping in favor of Trump. Signaling a flip in popularity among moderates. Almost like the 2024 election won't be exactly like 2020. You know, this crazy concept that stuff happens over 4 years that might cause things to change.

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Rogan hasn't flipped on Trump, I don't know how you think that. He said something good about Trump a while back. He also says lots of bad things about Trump. Same as many others. At one point he all but said he would vote for DeSantis if he ran. Now he seems to be an RFK guy because at heart Rogan is a Bernie Sanders liberal. He'll probably change his mind again tomorrow.

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How is a guy (Rogan), who so many hard-core conservatives speak so highly of, be closer to being a Bernie Sanders liberal.

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I think a lot of people like Rogan, or at least respect him, because he is willing to listen to diverse points of view, even when he doesn't agree with them. He also asks hard questions of his guests whether they align politically with him or not. We actually need more people from across the political spectrum who are willing to do that.

The problem is that MAGA thinks that if someone say something nice about Trump, then it automatically means they person loves Trump as much as they do, and is proof that the person, in this case Rogan, is endorsing Trump.

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Strange that as conservatives we've shifted from who has the best policy to who's the most popular.

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Almost like it is an election not a purity contest. Crazy stuff i know.

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If you view it as a popularity contest why in the world would we nominate the person who lost a popularity contest to Biden already?

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Gee did you even bother with the context here. Rogan flipping in favor of Trump. Signaling a flip in popularity among moderates. Almost like the 2024 election won't be exactly like 2020. You know, this crazy concept that stuff happens over 4 years that might cause things to change.

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Rogan hasn't flipped on Trump, I don't know how you think that. He said something good about Trump a while back. He also says lots of bad things about Trump. Same as many others. At one point he all but said he would vote for DeSantis if he ran. Now he seems to be an RFK guy because at heart Rogan is a Bernie Sanders liberal. He'll probably change his mind again tomorrow.

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How is a guy (Rogan), who so many hard-core conservatives speak so highly of, be closer to being a Bernie Sanders liberal.

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Because he said that his first choice of candidate was Bernie Sanders. That said Rogan is a guy who is all over the map and shifts. He's got a lot of libertarian in him and liberal in him and some other things in between.

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Old May Banker said:

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Strange that as conservatives we've shifted from who has the best policy to who's the most popular.

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Almost like it is an election not a purity contest. Crazy stuff i know.

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If you view it as a popularity contest why in the world would we nominate the person who lost a popularity contest to Biden already?

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Gee did you even bother with the context here. Rogan flipping in favor of Trump. Signaling a flip in popularity among moderates. Almost like the 2024 election won't be exactly like 2020. You know, this crazy concept that stuff happens over 4 years that might cause things to change.

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Rogan hasn't flipped on Trump, I don't know how you think that. He said something good about Trump a while back. He also says lots of bad things about Trump. Same as many others. At one point he all but said he would vote for DeSantis if he ran. Now he seems to be an RFK guy because at heart Rogan is a Bernie Sanders liberal. He'll probably change his mind again tomorrow.

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How is a guy (Rogan), who so many hard-core conservatives speak so highly of, be closer to being a Bernie Sanders liberal.

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It's sadly because their entire perception of any individual person revolves around whether that person says good or bad things about Trump. Political affiliation, personality, criminal history, none of that matters - just whether or not they compliment Trump.

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It is this concept that Rogan, an obvious politically light informed moderate, speaks what many low involved Americans are thinking. His show is based around interviews with top minds being asked questions normal people would ask. So if Rogan is saying these things, one can project that this idea resonates with much of that low involved political American mind.

Is it a sure thing. No. Can it change before March or November. Yes. But that is the point. It isn't that anyone is saying Rogan should be the voice of political direction of the conservative movement.

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Old May Banker said:

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Strange that as conservatives we've shifted from who has the best policy to who's the most popular.

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Almost like it is an election not a purity contest. Crazy stuff i know.

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If you view it as a popularity contest why in the world would we nominate the person who lost a popularity contest to Biden already?

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Gee did you even bother with the context here. Rogan flipping in favor of Trump. Signaling a flip in popularity among moderates. Almost like the 2024 election won't be exactly like 2020. You know, this crazy concept that stuff happens over 4 years that might cause things to change.

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Rogan hasn't flipped on Trump, I don't know how you think that. He said something good about Trump a while back. He also says lots of bad things about Trump. Same as many others. At one point he all but said he would vote for DeSantis if he ran. Now he seems to be an RFK guy because at heart Rogan is a Bernie Sanders liberal. He'll probably change his mind again tomorrow.

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How is a guy (Rogan), who so many hard-core conservatives speak so highly of, be closer to being a Bernie Sanders liberal.

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Rogan's a liberal that doesn't like big government. The democrats have ceded their platform to authoritarian progressives, that tried to take over completely post COVID. Rogan was one of the only guys that had F-you money and was willing to stand up to them. Their efforts to take him down were turned back around on them. He's also relatively a-political, meaning your personality means a lot more to what he thinks of you over your political beliefs. Hence why he's friends with people from Alex Jones to Bill Maher to Kanye to Sarah Silverman

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That's interesting. I'll have to look into his show then.

Thanks.

He also repeatedly says to not use him as any guide for political issues. He's a self-proclaimed political moron. He's just a cool dude most guys would love to grab a beer with.

Ron DeSantis is asked how will he be able to get his agenda passed if he has people working against him the same way Trump did.

DeSantis rightly points out that the people who worked against him were people that he himself hired and appointed. pic.twitter.com/dI9v0OdWjV

— Unfiltered☢Boss (@Unfilteredboss1) October 27, 2023

2018 was one the worst midterms in history for the GOP. It was a blue wave.

DeSantis, Reynolds and Kemp all won IN SPITE OF Trump.

2022 OTOH was supposed to be a red wave, yet Trump aligned candidates like Lake, Walker and Dr Oz all lost winnable races.

Wake up folks.

— Peter Henlein (@SwissWatchGuy) October 27, 2023

texagbeliever said:

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aggie93 said:

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Big foreign policy speech by DeSantis this morning. He clarified to anyone talking about a free speech issue with the student groups he shut down. They were not shut down for speech, they were shut down for coordinating with terrorists.

DESANTIS on deactivating ‘Students for Justice in Palestine’ student groups:

“They don’t just stand in solidarity with Hamas,” they admit publicly “that they are part of what Hamas is doing. That is material support to terrorism and that is not going to be tolerated.” pic.twitter.com/EHBcxxFN0H

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) October 27, 2023

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If after an hour a tweet has 350 likes and only 10k views, it isn't going to count as "big". Unless you are fan boying.


By comparison the Rogan quote tweet has 800k views (with 2 more hours). Impartially one of these is "bigger" than the other.

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Those are apples and chickens.

This was a wonky foreign policy speech to the heavy intellectual audience, it's something that is designed to have sound bytes for later and for people who want to understand the candidate in depth to be able to listen to in detail.

You are comparing that to a clip from Joe Rogan from months ago.

Yes, Joe Rogan draws more views than a policy speech at Heritage. If all DeSantis was doing was deep dive policy speeches I would be concerned but he's doing multiple events per day. I would take him spending all day yesterday in NH with Sununu singing his praises and doing retail politics and getting on local TV over some folks on Twitter retweeting an old Rogan mention for Trump as to what is more effective.

We will see though. DeSantis can't win a star power fight with Trump just like he won't win a loyalty test with Trump, thus that isn't his strategy. His strategy is to identify the most likely and most important voters and go after them specifically then hope he gains momentum after IA and NH and it carries him. Worked for Obama. May or may not work for DeSantis.

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You do realize that Trump's election in 2016 was a groundbreaking effort of targeting marketing that allowed for Trump to pull off the greatest upset in modern elections. His election team is incredibly talented. So if you are hoping he can out identify and target independents than Trump that is a bad sign.

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It's literally amazing how many "facts" are simply made up and regurgitated by the Trumpers.

Really? Trump has the best campaign staff huh? the same campaign staff that lost by 3 million votes to Clinton and by 6 million votes to Biden.

I guess you are super impressed by drunk, wife beaters who have to be sent to the psych ward. ONLY THE BEST PEOPLE FOR TRUMP!!

Watch as police arrest Trump's former campaign manager shirtless, drunk and screaming in the streets
By David Reddish September 29, 2020 at 1:09pm 22 comments

Brad Parscale.
Apparently, this election is driving everyone crazy.

Police in Fort Lauderdale, Florida have arrested Brad Parscale, the former campaign manager to Donald Trump. Parscale's wife alerted law enforcement after he allegedly beat her and threatened suicide while brandishing a gun.

Parscale remains hospitalized for psychiatric evaluation under the Baker Act. Candice Parscale, the 44-year-old wife of Brad Parscale, called 911 on Sunday after she began to fear for her safety. She met police in the street outside the couple's upscale Seven Isles home, wearing only a bikini.

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Ron DeSantis is asked how will he be able to get his agenda passed if he has people working against him the same way Trump did.

DeSantis rightly points out that the people who worked against him were people that he himself hired and appointed. pic.twitter.com/dI9v0OdWjV

— Unfiltered☢Boss (@Unfilteredboss1) October 27, 2023

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No whining and bulls**t excuses for why he can't get anything done. Just simple, logical, cold, calculating explanations of how he'd deal with the D.C. swamp. THAT'S a leader compared to grandstanding fraud

Trump's Super PAC is getting back on the airwaves attacking DeSantis in IA. Seems like a poor use of resources if the primary race is over.

Oh and DeSantis is on Meet the Press this weekend. Trump was just on MTP, so the uninformed viewer will get quite a contrast.

THIS SUNDAY: Exclusive interviews with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) and Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.)

Plus, former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) #IfItsSunday pic.twitter.com/GTng7UflSe

— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) October 27, 2023

This has become like a mom's scrapbook for their kiddo. The same 5 or so posters here all run diligently to apply the next posting. It's hilarious!

OMG people posting on a messageboard.

Should we try to go rustle up some Vivek supporters so you don't feel so alone? I'm sure there's still a few left.

Somewhere.




Maybe?

Like Vivek himself, his supporters were fabricated

As I postulated, the same folks responding. Everyone can see it real time!

Aggie93
TRM
LMCane
FLag...whatever the ****
and all the rest.

It truly is amazing.

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This has become like a mom's scrapbook for their kiddo. The same 5 or so posters here all run diligently to apply the next posting. It's hilarious!

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You are welcome to start another thread for Vivek anytime. There are over 40 threads on Page 1 alone so have at it. It's just odd you get so irritated there is 1 thread about DeSantis v Trump. It's easy enough to ignore if it bothers you so much or you can make a contribution around points being raised. Up to you.

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As I postulated, the same folks responding. Everyone can see it real time!

Aggie93
TRM
LMCane
FLag...whatever the ****
and all the rest.

It truly is amazing.

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texagbeliever said:

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You think people that voted against Trump are going to switch to vote for Trump? They're more likely to leave that line blank or vote 3rd party.

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Yes. I dont know if you have noticed but America isn't doing great at the moment. People will vote based on the economy. Or education. Or wars. Or anything because it is all bad at the moment.

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another false claim I would presume based on ignorance rather than trying to gaslight.

if the American people vote only on the economy- explain the election of 2022 where Trump candidates lost across the United States.

I know it's a long time ago but really concentrate and try to remember what life was like way back 11 months ago.

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Tibbers said:

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As I postulated, the same folks responding. Everyone can see it real time!

Aggie93
TRM
LMCane
FLag...whatever the ****
and all the rest.

It truly is amazing.

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You totally should change your handle to this.