OFFICIAL ****Donald Trump versus Ron DeSantis*** thread...

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DukeMu said:

Im Gipper said:

Clay has a twitter poll currently where given choice of RFKjr or Pence, 74% pick RFKjr!

Not exactly a conservative group of followers! This guy took Rush's place? Sad!



MAGA is not your father's Wm. F. Buckley conservatism.

FIFY

Look, I get some of yall like what RFKJr and Tulsi say on some issues. But those two are still way to the left of the much maligned Romneys, Cornyns, etc. of the world!

Simply put, if you are for RFKJr. being president against any Republican, you are for liberalism!

Tulsi Gabbard posted some pictures working out, and the incels think she should be leader of the free world! LOL.

I'm Gipper
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DukeMu said:

$$ is moving over to Scott and potentially Christie.

Christie slays the dragon and Scott steps in with his more positive message. (he does need to watch messaging 52 week pregnancies unless he's referring to a horse).

DeSantis is a robot. He's done. Donors are retreating in droves.


That's legit the worst take I've seen on here in months, and that's saying A LOT.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

DukeMu said:

$$ is moving over to Scott and potentially Christie.

Christie slays the dragon and Scott steps in with his more positive message. (he does need to watch messaging 52 week pregnancies unless he's referring to a horse).

DeSantis is a robot. He's done. Donors are retreating in droves.


That's legit the worst take I've seen on here in months, and that's saying A LOT.
At first I thought the same thing, then I read this on twitter. Took me to politico

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/13/top-donors-tim-scott-00106062

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With Ron DeSantis stalling in the Republican presidential primary, some wealthy donors who'd hoped he could beat Donald Trump are now giving Tim Scott a serious look.

Billionaire businessman Ronald Lauder, the Este Lauder makeup heir who supported Trump in 2020, recently flew to South Carolina to meet with Scott, the state's junior senator and longshot presidential candidate, according to three people aware of the late June meeting.
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Phatbob said:

TRADUCTOR said:

Trump will never stop his fight and has superpowers to activate a horde of LIV NPCs to amass enough overwhelming vote to bury the criminal vote fraud. DeSantis not connecting to the undercurrent of deficient minds that bring a riptide of vote.

You molested 81MM* need to buy a Trump doll and work out the scruples from the mirage of Trump abuse.

Get well soon, THEN GET ON THE TRAIN.
Anyone have a translator?



Herpaderp herp derp. Derpaderp derpherp.


HERP A DERP!!!!!
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Charpie said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

DukeMu said:

$$ is moving over to Scott and potentially Christie.

Christie slays the dragon and Scott steps in with his more positive message. (he does need to watch messaging 52 week pregnancies unless he's referring to a horse).

DeSantis is a robot. He's done. Donors are retreating in droves.


That's legit the worst take I've seen on here in months, and that's saying A LOT.
At first I thought the same thing, then I read this on twitter. Took me to politico

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/13/top-donors-tim-scott-00106062

Quote:

With Ron DeSantis stalling in the Republican presidential primary, some wealthy donors who'd hoped he could beat Donald Trump are now giving Tim Scott a serious look.

Billionaire businessman Ronald Lauder, the Este Lauder makeup heir who supported Trump in 2020, recently flew to South Carolina to meet with Scott, the state's junior senator and longshot presidential candidate, according to three people aware of the late June meeting.

Leftwing magazine making a big deal about one donor going to meet with (not actually donate to) Scott. He also doesn't appear to be a DeSantis donor he was a Trump donor who is shopping.

"Donors are retreating in droves!"
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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DeSantis has a great economic story to tell btw:


"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Ronald Reagan
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aggie93 said:

DeSantis has a great economic story to tell btw:



Looking forward to Charpie now committing to team Ronnie D.
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I have been. Where have you been?
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My bad. Your posts on the last page made it seem like you were waiting on his economic stuff to jump in.
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Trump doing Trump things again.


"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Ronald Reagan
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aggie93 said:

Trump doing Trump things again.





I'm sure he has a good reason
hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. good times create weak men. and weak men create hard times.

less virtue signaling, more vice signaling.

Birds aren’t real
Lol,lmao
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His constant jackassery is nothing if not consistent... can't wait until he does some other stupid liberal **** for his fan club to pretend is "ultra-MAGA"
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"Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go."

Leo Amery- UK Parliament May 1940

we need a lot more Amery's in the GOP right now.

and DeSantis CRUSHED it yesterday in Iowa while Trump was furiously thinking of his next nickname.
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aggie93 said:

This is a tremendous "Inside Baseball" look into the DeSantis campaign that explains a lot of what I have been arguing. It really is a strategy and there is a lot of reasoning as to why they are operating the way they are. BTW, virtually everything DeSantis is doing is EXACTLY what the Democrats have done ever since Obama's campaign in '08. Ground game, micro targeted ads, strategic appearances. It's very different from the big event, consultant driven, large advertising approach. It's a big reason why Republicans don't understand where Democrat support comes from because Republicans simply don't see it outside of stuff like the "Beto calls".

Built on Muscle

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Donuts for Iowa lawmakers. A 99-county pastor recruitment plan. An in-house marketing department outpacing competitors on Facebook.

Seven weeks after launch, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis's presidential campaign is entering a new phase of its online outreach and ground game all of it fueled by his $20 million fundraising quarter, the largest haul of any first-time Republican White House hopeful in more than a decade.

"We're not built on sugar highs," Generra Peck, DeSantis's campaign manager, told The Messenger.

"We're built on muscle that remains even amid the inevitable ups and downs that happen in the course of the campaign."

At its center: the campaign's in-house marketing team that has created and algorithmically message-tested 14,000 ads and related variations on Facebook and other social media platforms to curry supporters and convert them into donors and voters. The operation displays a level of "sophistication" that other campaigns currently aren't showing, one independent Republican digital guru told The Messenger.

DeSantis, who has so far limited most interviews to conservative press, is preparing for more sit-downs soon with more mainstream media outlets with which he has had a strained relationship. He's also planning more policy proposals, including on the economy and inflation, a top concern of voters.

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In the past month, Facebook's ad library shows DeSantis and his campaign have posted 2,323 separate creative items. In a distant second are two primary rivals, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum (who has 602 pieces up) and Miami Mayor Francis Suarez (561). Trump is in eighth in terms of creative pieces on Facebook, with 189.

Eric Wilson, a top Republican digital strategist who isn't allied with any of the candidates or campaigns, said he was impressed with the "sophistication" of the DeSantis campaign's research and data, which appeared to be a successor to Trump's cutting edge 2016 efforts on Facebook that he has since let go.

"They're doing more ad testing than any other campaign and they're going to get smarter quicker. It's impressive that they can generate all this creative [work]," Wilson said. "What it tells me is that their heads are down and they're working hard and learning and focusing on what matters most and not on the silly season. What we're judging the campaign on right now is vibes on Twitter."

Quote:

The China land-buying issue, a law DeSantis passed and that has been challenged in court in Florida, had eight separate creative variations targeted to various select audiences, creating nearly 130 unique data points the campaign studied. In the seven weeks since launch, the campaign says it has run nearly 30 separate creative "programs" like this with 256 separate creative variations, and 424 separate pieces of ad copy sent to people in 65 unique communities or audiences.


In fundraising solicitations, the DeSantis campaign has also emphasized that they're not trying to guilt-trip donors into giving nor are they lying to them the way Trump's campaign has in the past.

The DeSantis camp also decided not to hire outside firms for digital work but instead to recruit everyone in house so there were no conflicts of interest between vendors pushing for bigger portions of the budget solely to enrich their respective companies.

"We wanted true believers who were here for the right reasons," said Ethan Eilon, head of the DeSantis digital department. "We wanted to run a shop where the incentives were aligned with the mission."



I'm sure it's just coincidence that no Trump fan has posted Trump's strategy to win a general election -

considering he just LOST a general election 2 years ago.
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LMCane said:

aggie93 said:

This is a tremendous "Inside Baseball" look into the DeSantis campaign that explains a lot of what I have been arguing. It really is a strategy and there is a lot of reasoning as to why they are operating the way they are. BTW, virtually everything DeSantis is doing is EXACTLY what the Democrats have done ever since Obama's campaign in '08. Ground game, micro targeted ads, strategic appearances. It's very different from the big event, consultant driven, large advertising approach. It's a big reason why Republicans don't understand where Democrat support comes from because Republicans simply don't see it outside of stuff like the "Beto calls".

Built on Muscle

Quote:

Donuts for Iowa lawmakers. A 99-county pastor recruitment plan. An in-house marketing department outpacing competitors on Facebook.

Seven weeks after launch, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis's presidential campaign is entering a new phase of its online outreach and ground game all of it fueled by his $20 million fundraising quarter, the largest haul of any first-time Republican White House hopeful in more than a decade.

"We're not built on sugar highs," Generra Peck, DeSantis's campaign manager, told The Messenger.

"We're built on muscle that remains even amid the inevitable ups and downs that happen in the course of the campaign."

At its center: the campaign's in-house marketing team that has created and algorithmically message-tested 14,000 ads and related variations on Facebook and other social media platforms to curry supporters and convert them into donors and voters. The operation displays a level of "sophistication" that other campaigns currently aren't showing, one independent Republican digital guru told The Messenger.

DeSantis, who has so far limited most interviews to conservative press, is preparing for more sit-downs soon with more mainstream media outlets with which he has had a strained relationship. He's also planning more policy proposals, including on the economy and inflation, a top concern of voters.

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In the past month, Facebook's ad library shows DeSantis and his campaign have posted 2,323 separate creative items. In a distant second are two primary rivals, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum (who has 602 pieces up) and Miami Mayor Francis Suarez (561). Trump is in eighth in terms of creative pieces on Facebook, with 189.

Eric Wilson, a top Republican digital strategist who isn't allied with any of the candidates or campaigns, said he was impressed with the "sophistication" of the DeSantis campaign's research and data, which appeared to be a successor to Trump's cutting edge 2016 efforts on Facebook that he has since let go.

"They're doing more ad testing than any other campaign and they're going to get smarter quicker. It's impressive that they can generate all this creative [work]," Wilson said. "What it tells me is that their heads are down and they're working hard and learning and focusing on what matters most and not on the silly season. What we're judging the campaign on right now is vibes on Twitter."

Quote:

The China land-buying issue, a law DeSantis passed and that has been challenged in court in Florida, had eight separate creative variations targeted to various select audiences, creating nearly 130 unique data points the campaign studied. In the seven weeks since launch, the campaign says it has run nearly 30 separate creative "programs" like this with 256 separate creative variations, and 424 separate pieces of ad copy sent to people in 65 unique communities or audiences.


In fundraising solicitations, the DeSantis campaign has also emphasized that they're not trying to guilt-trip donors into giving nor are they lying to them the way Trump's campaign has in the past.

The DeSantis camp also decided not to hire outside firms for digital work but instead to recruit everyone in house so there were no conflicts of interest between vendors pushing for bigger portions of the budget solely to enrich their respective companies.

"We wanted true believers who were here for the right reasons," said Ethan Eilon, head of the DeSantis digital department. "We wanted to run a shop where the incentives were aligned with the mission."



I'm sure it's just coincidence that no Trump fan has posted Trump's strategy to win a general election -

considering he just LOST a general election 2 years ago.
I hope this strategy works and is effective. Glad he's using dem methods because they beat the **** out of us regularly by being more clever and shrewd.
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ts5641 said:

LMCane said:

aggie93 said:

This is a tremendous "Inside Baseball" look into the DeSantis campaign that explains a lot of what I have been arguing. It really is a strategy and there is a lot of reasoning as to why they are operating the way they are. BTW, virtually everything DeSantis is doing is EXACTLY what the Democrats have done ever since Obama's campaign in '08. Ground game, micro targeted ads, strategic appearances. It's very different from the big event, consultant driven, large advertising approach. It's a big reason why Republicans don't understand where Democrat support comes from because Republicans simply don't see it outside of stuff like the "Beto calls".

Built on Muscle

Quote:

Donuts for Iowa lawmakers. A 99-county pastor recruitment plan. An in-house marketing department outpacing competitors on Facebook.

Seven weeks after launch, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis's presidential campaign is entering a new phase of its online outreach and ground game all of it fueled by his $20 million fundraising quarter, the largest haul of any first-time Republican White House hopeful in more than a decade.

"We're not built on sugar highs," Generra Peck, DeSantis's campaign manager, told The Messenger.

"We're built on muscle that remains even amid the inevitable ups and downs that happen in the course of the campaign."

At its center: the campaign's in-house marketing team that has created and algorithmically message-tested 14,000 ads and related variations on Facebook and other social media platforms to curry supporters and convert them into donors and voters. The operation displays a level of "sophistication" that other campaigns currently aren't showing, one independent Republican digital guru told The Messenger.

DeSantis, who has so far limited most interviews to conservative press, is preparing for more sit-downs soon with more mainstream media outlets with which he has had a strained relationship. He's also planning more policy proposals, including on the economy and inflation, a top concern of voters.

Quote:

In the past month, Facebook's ad library shows DeSantis and his campaign have posted 2,323 separate creative items. In a distant second are two primary rivals, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum (who has 602 pieces up) and Miami Mayor Francis Suarez (561). Trump is in eighth in terms of creative pieces on Facebook, with 189.

Eric Wilson, a top Republican digital strategist who isn't allied with any of the candidates or campaigns, said he was impressed with the "sophistication" of the DeSantis campaign's research and data, which appeared to be a successor to Trump's cutting edge 2016 efforts on Facebook that he has since let go.

"They're doing more ad testing than any other campaign and they're going to get smarter quicker. It's impressive that they can generate all this creative [work]," Wilson said. "What it tells me is that their heads are down and they're working hard and learning and focusing on what matters most and not on the silly season. What we're judging the campaign on right now is vibes on Twitter."

Quote:

The China land-buying issue, a law DeSantis passed and that has been challenged in court in Florida, had eight separate creative variations targeted to various select audiences, creating nearly 130 unique data points the campaign studied. In the seven weeks since launch, the campaign says it has run nearly 30 separate creative "programs" like this with 256 separate creative variations, and 424 separate pieces of ad copy sent to people in 65 unique communities or audiences.


In fundraising solicitations, the DeSantis campaign has also emphasized that they're not trying to guilt-trip donors into giving nor are they lying to them the way Trump's campaign has in the past.

The DeSantis camp also decided not to hire outside firms for digital work but instead to recruit everyone in house so there were no conflicts of interest between vendors pushing for bigger portions of the budget solely to enrich their respective companies.

"We wanted true believers who were here for the right reasons," said Ethan Eilon, head of the DeSantis digital department. "We wanted to run a shop where the incentives were aligned with the mission."



I'm sure it's just coincidence that no Trump fan has posted Trump's strategy to win a general election -

considering he just LOST a general election 2 years ago.
I hope this strategy works and is effective. Glad he's using dem methods because they beat the **** out of us regularly by being more clever and shrewd.

100% agreed

DeSantis is the ONLY candidate who is not only building a massive GOTV ground game,

but the only one who has an actual plan to ballot harvest and work on getting votes before election day.

Trump, being a very bad lying politician- is literally stating he will not ballot harvest because "I have all the votes I need already"

anyone who believes that is even stupider than the average cultist.
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LMCane said:

ts5641 said:

LMCane said:

aggie93 said:

This is a tremendous "Inside Baseball" look into the DeSantis campaign that explains a lot of what I have been arguing. It really is a strategy and there is a lot of reasoning as to why they are operating the way they are. BTW, virtually everything DeSantis is doing is EXACTLY what the Democrats have done ever since Obama's campaign in '08. Ground game, micro targeted ads, strategic appearances. It's very different from the big event, consultant driven, large advertising approach. It's a big reason why Republicans don't understand where Democrat support comes from because Republicans simply don't see it outside of stuff like the "Beto calls".

Built on Muscle

Quote:

Donuts for Iowa lawmakers. A 99-county pastor recruitment plan. An in-house marketing department outpacing competitors on Facebook.

Seven weeks after launch, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis's presidential campaign is entering a new phase of its online outreach and ground game all of it fueled by his $20 million fundraising quarter, the largest haul of any first-time Republican White House hopeful in more than a decade.

"We're not built on sugar highs," Generra Peck, DeSantis's campaign manager, told The Messenger.

"We're built on muscle that remains even amid the inevitable ups and downs that happen in the course of the campaign."

At its center: the campaign's in-house marketing team that has created and algorithmically message-tested 14,000 ads and related variations on Facebook and other social media platforms to curry supporters and convert them into donors and voters. The operation displays a level of "sophistication" that other campaigns currently aren't showing, one independent Republican digital guru told The Messenger.

DeSantis, who has so far limited most interviews to conservative press, is preparing for more sit-downs soon with more mainstream media outlets with which he has had a strained relationship. He's also planning more policy proposals, including on the economy and inflation, a top concern of voters.

Quote:

In the past month, Facebook's ad library shows DeSantis and his campaign have posted 2,323 separate creative items. In a distant second are two primary rivals, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum (who has 602 pieces up) and Miami Mayor Francis Suarez (561). Trump is in eighth in terms of creative pieces on Facebook, with 189.

Eric Wilson, a top Republican digital strategist who isn't allied with any of the candidates or campaigns, said he was impressed with the "sophistication" of the DeSantis campaign's research and data, which appeared to be a successor to Trump's cutting edge 2016 efforts on Facebook that he has since let go.

"They're doing more ad testing than any other campaign and they're going to get smarter quicker. It's impressive that they can generate all this creative [work]," Wilson said. "What it tells me is that their heads are down and they're working hard and learning and focusing on what matters most and not on the silly season. What we're judging the campaign on right now is vibes on Twitter."

Quote:

The China land-buying issue, a law DeSantis passed and that has been challenged in court in Florida, had eight separate creative variations targeted to various select audiences, creating nearly 130 unique data points the campaign studied. In the seven weeks since launch, the campaign says it has run nearly 30 separate creative "programs" like this with 256 separate creative variations, and 424 separate pieces of ad copy sent to people in 65 unique communities or audiences.


In fundraising solicitations, the DeSantis campaign has also emphasized that they're not trying to guilt-trip donors into giving nor are they lying to them the way Trump's campaign has in the past.

The DeSantis camp also decided not to hire outside firms for digital work but instead to recruit everyone in house so there were no conflicts of interest between vendors pushing for bigger portions of the budget solely to enrich their respective companies.

"We wanted true believers who were here for the right reasons," said Ethan Eilon, head of the DeSantis digital department. "We wanted to run a shop where the incentives were aligned with the mission."



I'm sure it's just coincidence that no Trump fan has posted Trump's strategy to win a general election -

considering he just LOST a general election 2 years ago.
I hope this strategy works and is effective. Glad he's using dem methods because they beat the **** out of us regularly by being more clever and shrewd.

100% agreed

DeSantis is the ONLY candidate who is not only building a massive GOTV ground game,

but the only one who has an actual plan to ballot harvest and work on getting votes before election day.

Trump, being a very bad lying politician- is literally stating he will not ballot harvest because "I have all the votes I need already"

anyone who believes that is even stupider than the average cultist.
I think a lot of people will figure that out as we go. It's pretty deep inside baseball and most people don't understand this stuff. It's also very important to separate the minority number of cultists who support Trump from the majority who simply support him but could have their minds changed.
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Perhaps it was the beginning of a 'come back.'
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LMCane said:

ts5641 said:

LMCane said:

aggie93 said:

This is a tremendous "Inside Baseball" look into the DeSantis campaign that explains a lot of what I have been arguing. It really is a strategy and there is a lot of reasoning as to why they are operating the way they are. BTW, virtually everything DeSantis is doing is EXACTLY what the Democrats have done ever since Obama's campaign in '08. Ground game, micro targeted ads, strategic appearances. It's very different from the big event, consultant driven, large advertising approach. It's a big reason why Republicans don't understand where Democrat support comes from because Republicans simply don't see it outside of stuff like the "Beto calls".

Built on Muscle

Quote:

Donuts for Iowa lawmakers. A 99-county pastor recruitment plan. An in-house marketing department outpacing competitors on Facebook.

Seven weeks after launch, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis's presidential campaign is entering a new phase of its online outreach and ground game all of it fueled by his $20 million fundraising quarter, the largest haul of any first-time Republican White House hopeful in more than a decade.

"We're not built on sugar highs," Generra Peck, DeSantis's campaign manager, told The Messenger.

"We're built on muscle that remains even amid the inevitable ups and downs that happen in the course of the campaign."

At its center: the campaign's in-house marketing team that has created and algorithmically message-tested 14,000 ads and related variations on Facebook and other social media platforms to curry supporters and convert them into donors and voters. The operation displays a level of "sophistication" that other campaigns currently aren't showing, one independent Republican digital guru told The Messenger.

DeSantis, who has so far limited most interviews to conservative press, is preparing for more sit-downs soon with more mainstream media outlets with which he has had a strained relationship. He's also planning more policy proposals, including on the economy and inflation, a top concern of voters.

Quote:

In the past month, Facebook's ad library shows DeSantis and his campaign have posted 2,323 separate creative items. In a distant second are two primary rivals, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum (who has 602 pieces up) and Miami Mayor Francis Suarez (561). Trump is in eighth in terms of creative pieces on Facebook, with 189.

Eric Wilson, a top Republican digital strategist who isn't allied with any of the candidates or campaigns, said he was impressed with the "sophistication" of the DeSantis campaign's research and data, which appeared to be a successor to Trump's cutting edge 2016 efforts on Facebook that he has since let go.

"They're doing more ad testing than any other campaign and they're going to get smarter quicker. It's impressive that they can generate all this creative [work]," Wilson said. "What it tells me is that their heads are down and they're working hard and learning and focusing on what matters most and not on the silly season. What we're judging the campaign on right now is vibes on Twitter."

Quote:

The China land-buying issue, a law DeSantis passed and that has been challenged in court in Florida, had eight separate creative variations targeted to various select audiences, creating nearly 130 unique data points the campaign studied. In the seven weeks since launch, the campaign says it has run nearly 30 separate creative "programs" like this with 256 separate creative variations, and 424 separate pieces of ad copy sent to people in 65 unique communities or audiences.


In fundraising solicitations, the DeSantis campaign has also emphasized that they're not trying to guilt-trip donors into giving nor are they lying to them the way Trump's campaign has in the past.

The DeSantis camp also decided not to hire outside firms for digital work but instead to recruit everyone in house so there were no conflicts of interest between vendors pushing for bigger portions of the budget solely to enrich their respective companies.

"We wanted true believers who were here for the right reasons," said Ethan Eilon, head of the DeSantis digital department. "We wanted to run a shop where the incentives were aligned with the mission."



I'm sure it's just coincidence that no Trump fan has posted Trump's strategy to win a general election -

considering he just LOST a general election 2 years ago.
I hope this strategy works and is effective. Glad he's using dem methods because they beat the **** out of us regularly by being more clever and shrewd.

100% agreed

DeSantis is the ONLY candidate who is not only building a massive GOTV ground game,

but the only one who has an actual plan to ballot harvest and work on getting votes before election day.

Trump, being a very bad lying politician- is literally stating he will not ballot harvest because "I have all the votes I need already"

anyone who believes that is even stupider than the average cultist.
Any Republican that watched 2020 and 2022 and isn't committing significant resources and planning to this doesn't stand a chance of winning.

Campaigning and asking people to vote for you and hoping they show up isn't enough in 2024. You have to go out and actively pursue/secure the votes by any legal means possible based on the laws in each of the fifty states. That takes tremendous organization and a massive ground game to accomplish.

DeSantis is the only Republican candidate that has the plan, funding, and the organization in place to do this. He is the Republicans only shot in 2024.

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Ag87H2O said:

LMCane said:

ts5641 said:

LMCane said:

aggie93 said:

This is a tremendous "Inside Baseball" look into the DeSantis campaign that explains a lot of what I have been arguing. It really is a strategy and there is a lot of reasoning as to why they are operating the way they are. BTW, virtually everything DeSantis is doing is EXACTLY what the Democrats have done ever since Obama's campaign in '08. Ground game, micro targeted ads, strategic appearances. It's very different from the big event, consultant driven, large advertising approach. It's a big reason why Republicans don't understand where Democrat support comes from because Republicans simply don't see it outside of stuff like the "Beto calls".

Built on Muscle

Quote:

Donuts for Iowa lawmakers. A 99-county pastor recruitment plan. An in-house marketing department outpacing competitors on Facebook.

Seven weeks after launch, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis's presidential campaign is entering a new phase of its online outreach and ground game all of it fueled by his $20 million fundraising quarter, the largest haul of any first-time Republican White House hopeful in more than a decade.

"We're not built on sugar highs," Generra Peck, DeSantis's campaign manager, told The Messenger.

"We're built on muscle that remains even amid the inevitable ups and downs that happen in the course of the campaign."

At its center: the campaign's in-house marketing team that has created and algorithmically message-tested 14,000 ads and related variations on Facebook and other social media platforms to curry supporters and convert them into donors and voters. The operation displays a level of "sophistication" that other campaigns currently aren't showing, one independent Republican digital guru told The Messenger.

DeSantis, who has so far limited most interviews to conservative press, is preparing for more sit-downs soon with more mainstream media outlets with which he has had a strained relationship. He's also planning more policy proposals, including on the economy and inflation, a top concern of voters.

Quote:

In the past month, Facebook's ad library shows DeSantis and his campaign have posted 2,323 separate creative items. In a distant second are two primary rivals, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum (who has 602 pieces up) and Miami Mayor Francis Suarez (561). Trump is in eighth in terms of creative pieces on Facebook, with 189.

Eric Wilson, a top Republican digital strategist who isn't allied with any of the candidates or campaigns, said he was impressed with the "sophistication" of the DeSantis campaign's research and data, which appeared to be a successor to Trump's cutting edge 2016 efforts on Facebook that he has since let go.

"They're doing more ad testing than any other campaign and they're going to get smarter quicker. It's impressive that they can generate all this creative [work]," Wilson said. "What it tells me is that their heads are down and they're working hard and learning and focusing on what matters most and not on the silly season. What we're judging the campaign on right now is vibes on Twitter."

Quote:

The China land-buying issue, a law DeSantis passed and that has been challenged in court in Florida, had eight separate creative variations targeted to various select audiences, creating nearly 130 unique data points the campaign studied. In the seven weeks since launch, the campaign says it has run nearly 30 separate creative "programs" like this with 256 separate creative variations, and 424 separate pieces of ad copy sent to people in 65 unique communities or audiences.


In fundraising solicitations, the DeSantis campaign has also emphasized that they're not trying to guilt-trip donors into giving nor are they lying to them the way Trump's campaign has in the past.

The DeSantis camp also decided not to hire outside firms for digital work but instead to recruit everyone in house so there were no conflicts of interest between vendors pushing for bigger portions of the budget solely to enrich their respective companies.

"We wanted true believers who were here for the right reasons," said Ethan Eilon, head of the DeSantis digital department. "We wanted to run a shop where the incentives were aligned with the mission."



I'm sure it's just coincidence that no Trump fan has posted Trump's strategy to win a general election -

considering he just LOST a general election 2 years ago.
I hope this strategy works and is effective. Glad he's using dem methods because they beat the **** out of us regularly by being more clever and shrewd.

100% agreed

DeSantis is the ONLY candidate who is not only building a massive GOTV ground game,

but the only one who has an actual plan to ballot harvest and work on getting votes before election day.

Trump, being a very bad lying politician- is literally stating he will not ballot harvest because "I have all the votes I need already"

anyone who believes that is even stupider than the average cultist.
Any Republican that watched 2020 and 2022 and isn't committing significant resources and planning to this doesn't stand a chance of winning.

Campaigning and asking people to vote for you and hoping they show up isn't enough in 2024. You have to go out and actively pursue/secure the votes by any legal means possible based on the laws in each of the fifty states. That takes tremendous organization and a massive ground game to accomplish.

DeSantis is the only Republican candidate that has the plan, funding, and the organization in place to do this. He is the Republicans only shot in 2024.


100% concur

I still remember in 2012 when I was volunteering as a precinct captain in the Romney Campaign and they were touting this amazing text based system

which would take the entire database of supporters and send out messages so the campaign could track who had voted and help get them to the polls-

they never tested it and it failed completely the week of the election.
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I mentioned the collapse of the Romney IT GOTV system above which was based on my personal experience as a volunteer for his campaign in Connecticut/ New Hampshire in 2012. Since I am not a tech guy I never really knew what happened but Google has a ton of interesting stories about the Keystone Kops and amateur hour it has always been with Republican campaigns:

"The login IDs and passwords provided to statewide volunteers were incorrect, and barred them from accessing the app. The campaign didn't even release the app until election day. (I still remember thinking at the time that was a really bad idea)

They didn't even release its 60 pages of documentation until the night before…so nearly 40,000 people needed to get up to speed on ORCA at the moment they needed to actually start logging data with it.

And! They were given a URL for ORCA that pointed to a nonexistent http//: address, instead of the correct https:// one.

This is why I like Ihnatko: technical detail.

"They originally had a load balancer and a bunch of app servers, but for some reason couldn't get it to work properly," Chris hypothesized. "So they tore out the load balancer, which probably handled the http->https redirect, and forgot to add it back to the now-internet-facing app server."

A bit more detail from Ars Technica:

Part of the issue was Orca's architecture. While 11 backend database servers had been provisioned for the systemprobably running on virtual machinesthe "mobile" piece of Orca was a Web application supported by a single Web server and a single application server. Rather than a set of servers in the cloud, "I believe all the servers were in Boston at the Garden or a data center nearby," wrote Hans Dittuobo, a Romney volunteer at Boston Garden, to Ars by e-mail.

Orca was supposed to give motivated volunteers access to critical information to assist day-of GOTV efforts. The Web server was like a bridge to get across to the database. If Ihnakto's source is correct in his theory, the bridge was built incorrectly, and when they fixed the structure they cut off access across the bridge. That'll happen when you have to rush a project with so many different pieces. But Ihnatko argues that the Romney campaign had simple, out-of-the-box options available to it.

Romney ran on the competence that only a lifetime of private-sector, data-driven, consultant-turnaround experience can bring. The flipside to that is plenty of people in the private sector have been saddled with the computer systems that high-priced consultants leave in their wake. They don't always work."
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Best People!


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I agree. Only weenies won't face Tucker Carlson.
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Literally all they have are lies!



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Trouble at TPUSA.
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BTW, this is the type of ground game long term we could have with DeSantis. This is years of work paying off.


"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Ronald Reagan
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Im Gipper said:

Literally all they have are lies!



Well at least they fully embraced being a Trump rally and showed that DeSantis didn't need to go.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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Scott Presler was just saying the FL GOP is one of the best state orgs.
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TRM said:






Pwn3d!!!!!1
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What a crazy world they live in.
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If you are a conservative, there is zero reason to vote for Trump.

Make it make sense. Why should I vote for Trump over DeSantis?
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