She is LITERALLY saying HE and HIM. It's not just his supporters she is referring to. She's saying DeSantis feels this way.

It's clear as a bell. No need to try to spin it.

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And the mistake YOU make is assuming I won't support DeSantis in the primary…

But I'm not the one DeSantis needs to convince…

That's my point…

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Look at the tweet posted above that Candace Owens made. Trump, the NYC billionaire business man who inherited $200MM and has run through countless women loves and relates to the common small town man. But Desantis, the guy who grew up in a small town, the son of a working class cable guy and devoted family-man, is disgusted by small town people...because...ummm...she says so.

If relatively smart people like this are so "dug in". I just don't see how you can combat that level of stupidity and delusion. How can Desantis possibly win her over when she's so deluded into just making sh** up, almost like a psycho?

It gets to a point where it's just too much of an uphill climb to win people over because they are simply too stupid or religiously devoted. Can't blame Desantis or his team for that.

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If you really read what she is saying she isn't talking about DeSantis, she is holding him accountable for his influencers that she doesn't like. It's an insane double standard of course, it's not like she is going to say that Laura Loomer or Alex B are honest and wonderful people. Personally I think it is because she is still miffed at Daily Wire but is stuck in her contract and most of the DW folks are DeSantis folks. Why? All of her complaints are personal and feelings based with little to no specifics and not actually with DeSantis himself.

The only positive there is folks like that will swing from one side to the other because emotion is driving them. They are caught up in the moment instead of looking at the big picture and get inspired or disgusted by small things that they take to the extreme. That makes them entertaining but also so you need to keep them in context.

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Dude, are we reading the same tweet????

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I'd still support him as Governor.

What's become clear to me is he resents not just Trump but more problematically, his supporters. I think he's honestly disgusted by Trump supporters.

He and his team are grossed out by small town-people. That's the vibe I catch.

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I read it and I listen to her often as context. She is projecting what influencers say onto DeSantis is my point. She is upset with the influencers and that makes her project that on to him. Notice the lack of specifics she gives outside of "his launch was terrible" or nonsense like that.

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Then she needs to totally rethink how she communicates because I don't read that at all from her statement. She seems very clear and deliberate in what she is saying.

I think she's very intelligent. No money in being reasonable on the internet.

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DeSantis is literally a small town person. One “complaint” of politicians in Tallahassee is Ron preferred going to Friday night high school football games with his family than go to cocktail parties. This is pure cope https://t.co/yHrI8VlifE

— Just Mindy 🐊 (@just_mindy) June 29, 2023

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Might I politely ask what Candace or Trump know about small towns? Sure, Trump recognized that we need jobs back in the states, but in terms of either of them fitting in to a true small town… not a chance in my opinion.

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Bro, these pics could have been taken after attending a small town friday night football game or county fair for all we know. They certainly ooze "small town salt of the earth", both of them...




This guy? I've always gotten small town vibes...

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And the mistake YOU make is assuming I won't support DeSantis in the primary…

But I'm not the one DeSantis needs to convince…

That's my point…

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Look at the tweet posted above that Candace Owens made. Trump, the NYC billionaire business man who inherited $200MM and has run through countless women loves and relates to the common small town man. But Desantis, the guy who grew up in a small town, the son of a working class cable guy and devoted family-man, is disgusted by small town people...because...ummm...she says so.

If relatively smart people like this are so "dug in". I just don't see how you can combat that level of stupidity and delusion. How can Desantis possibly win her over when she's so deluded into just making sh** up, almost like a psycho?

It gets to a point where it's just too much of an uphill climb to win people over because they are simply too stupid or religiously devoted. Can't blame Desantis or his team for that.

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If you really read what she is saying she isn't talking about DeSantis, she is holding him accountable for his influencers that she doesn't like. It's an insane double standard of course, it's not like she is going to say that Laura Loomer or Alex B are honest and wonderful people. Personally I think it is because she is still miffed at Daily Wire but is stuck in her contract and most of the DW folks are DeSantis folks. Why? All of her complaints are personal and feelings based with little to no specifics and not actually with DeSantis himself.

The only positive there is folks like that will swing from one side to the other because emotion is driving them. They are caught up in the moment instead of looking at the big picture and get inspired or disgusted by small things that they take to the extreme. That makes them entertaining but also so you need to keep them in context.

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Dude, are we reading the same tweet????

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I'd still support him as Governor.

What's become clear to me is he resents not just Trump but more problematically, his supporters. I think he's honestly disgusted by Trump supporters.

He and his team are grossed out by small town-people. That's the vibe I catch.

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I read it and I listen to her often as context. She is projecting what influencers say onto DeSantis is my point. She is upset with the influencers and that makes her project that on to him. Notice the lack of specifics she gives outside of "his launch was terrible" or nonsense like that.

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Then she needs to totally rethink how she communicates because I don't read that at all from her statement. She seems very clear and deliberate in what she is saying.

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I think you misunderstand what I am saying. I am just saying listening to her and looking at her other texts since DeSantis announced she has a serious issue personally with some DeSantis supporters and she seems to transfer that over to DeSantis. That's why her statement makes no sense. The consequences are the same, I am just talking about the motivation. It's certainly not a complement to her just understanding how she thinks based on listening to her.

Candace is the type who can be awesome at times but also a complete idiot at others. Her main problem is she thinks she is a lot smarter than she actually is and because she presents so well people assume she is very intelligent. She's really strong on racial issues but political horse race stuff like this is way out of her depth. That's why I always have told people to tap the breaks when they would throw out a "Candace should be VP!" or some other nonsense in the past because she speaks so well on some issues.

Her statement makes perfect sense when you don't try to parse it out and make excuses or psychoanalyze her.

She is clearly saying these things about DeSantis, himself. Whether she actually believes it or just trolling for support/hate to keep up the charade is a up for debate.

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And the mistake YOU make is assuming I won't support DeSantis in the primary…

But I'm not the one DeSantis needs to convince…

That's my point…

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Look at the tweet posted above that Candace Owens made. Trump, the NYC billionaire business man who inherited $200MM and has run through countless women loves and relates to the common small town man. But Desantis, the guy who grew up in a small town, the son of a working class cable guy and devoted family-man, is disgusted by small town people...because...ummm...she says so.

If relatively smart people like this are so "dug in". I just don't see how you can combat that level of stupidity and delusion. How can Desantis possibly win her over when she's so deluded into just making sh** up, almost like a psycho?

It gets to a point where it's just too much of an uphill climb to win people over because they are simply too stupid or religiously devoted. Can't blame Desantis or his team for that.

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If you really read what she is saying she isn't talking about DeSantis, she is holding him accountable for his influencers that she doesn't like. It's an insane double standard of course, it's not like she is going to say that Laura Loomer or Alex B are honest and wonderful people. Personally I think it is because she is still miffed at Daily Wire but is stuck in her contract and most of the DW folks are DeSantis folks. Why? All of her complaints are personal and feelings based with little to no specifics and not actually with DeSantis himself.

The only positive there is folks like that will swing from one side to the other because emotion is driving them. They are caught up in the moment instead of looking at the big picture and get inspired or disgusted by small things that they take to the extreme. That makes them entertaining but also so you need to keep them in context.

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Dude, are we reading the same tweet????

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I'd still support him as Governor.

What's become clear to me is he resents not just Trump but more problematically, his supporters. I think he's honestly disgusted by Trump supporters.

He and his team are grossed out by small town-people. That's the vibe I catch.

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I read it and I listen to her often as context. She is projecting what influencers say onto DeSantis is my point. She is upset with the influencers and that makes her project that on to him. Notice the lack of specifics she gives outside of "his launch was terrible" or nonsense like that.

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Then she needs to totally rethink how she communicates because I don't read that at all from her statement. She seems very clear and deliberate in what she is saying.

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I think you misunderstand what I am saying. I am just saying listening to her and looking at her other texts since DeSantis announced she has a serious issue personally with some DeSantis supporters and she seems to transfer that over to DeSantis. That's why her statement makes no sense. The consequences are the same, I am just talking about the motivation. It's certainly not a complement to her just understanding how she thinks based on listening to her.

Candace is the type who can be awesome at times but also a complete idiot at others. Her main problem is she thinks she is a lot smarter than she actually is and because she presents so well people assume she is very intelligent. She's really strong on racial issues but political horse race stuff like this is way out of her depth. That's why I always have told people to tap the breaks when they would throw out a "Candace should be VP!" or some other nonsense in the past because she speaks so well on some issues.

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Agreed 100% here. Well said. And I have always been a big fan and considered her a very important voice. She's not dumb at all, she's just not as smart as she thinks she is and sometimes confidently speaks about things she knows little about.

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Her statement makes perfect sense when you don't try to parse it out and make excuses or psychoanalyze her.

She is clearly saying these things about DeSantis, himself. Whether she actually believes it or just trolling for support/hate to keep up the charade is a up for debate.

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Not disagreeing, I am talking about WHY she is doing it. She doesn't like his influencers and so she is projecting it on DeSantis. It's not about this one tweet it's about a trend with her. She's been butthurt ever since the Kanye thing with DW and has a tendency to get very emotional.

Racial issues are her strongsuit, for instance she likely has some good feedback on the SC Decision today.

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I support your message FireAg. I think we all need to come together. I only wished you held political candidates to the same standards you hold other Texags posters. If everyone would do that, the US would be a much better place.

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How would I ever hold a political candidate to a certain standard? Trump is who he is...I can't change that...

But we can all sit here and rail on that, or we can ignore it and work around it...

See...Trump wins when you engage the hyperbole...

RD has done a solid job of avoiding that trap...some of his supporters? Not so much...the R infighting amongst the masses is what will sink us in 2024...olive branches in the quest for common ground (as RD himself is attempting to do) should be the strategy amongst the R electorate...

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You seem to be frustrated with Republican posters infighting. That's fine. I agree with you we should stop.

My frustration is with Republican candidates, specifically trump, infighting. Especially when he lies to do it. If Trump would stop lying, there would be a lot less vitriol being thrown at trump supporters who defend his lies.

Never have understood why people care what Candace Owens has to say. She is a journalism major turned college dropout turned secretary turned Internet personality.

Trump 2024 aide who allegedly saw classified map works for China lobbying firm https://t.co/EIZ2zBawYR

— AG (@AGHamilton29) June 29, 2023

We'll be back to "fake news" shortly....

Some good clips from the DeSantis interview on Fox tonight:

“Trump says you’re disloyal. Do you feel that way?”@RonDeSantis: "Disloyal to who? Politicians have to EARN support. They're not entitled to support. I did a lot for him in 2016 and 2020 by the way. I was happy to do it. But at the end of the day, I’m loyal to my family, to our… pic.twitter.com/ufuHLE7fBY

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) June 29, 2023

“What is Bidenomics?”

DESANTIS: “Bidenomics is YOU pay more for the necessities of life!” pic.twitter.com/mDYLqMBOGc

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) June 29, 2023

“If you are in the cartels cutting through our fence to bring drugs in … that’s going to be the last thing you do. We’re going to leave you STONE COLD DEAD.”

🔥🔥🔥 pic.twitter.com/sV83ma6H57

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) June 29, 2023

Today, @RonDeSantis stopped by Grimaldi's in NYC to grab a slice of coal-fired pizza and rip into leftist government overreach with @JesseBWatters. It's all about controlling your behavior—and it won't stop until someone finally stands up to them. Ron DeSantis will stand between… pic.twitter.com/XAI8DypowU

— Bryan Griffin (@BryanDGriffin) June 30, 2023

Either the GOP voters are intelligent and rational enough to sink Trump in 2024

or the Democrats will sink him later in the year.

Koch Network Raises Over $70 Million for Push to Sink Trump
The political network established by the conservative industrialists Charles and David Koch has raised more than $70 million for political races as it looks to help Republicans move past Donald J. Trump, a Federal Election Commission filing will show, according to an official with the group.

According to a preliminary draft of the filings for the group, Americans for Prosperity Action, its major donors include Art Pope, a North Carolina businessman who attended a policy retreat hosted by former Vice President Mike Pence before he joined the presidential race; Craig Duchossois, a Chicago businessman; Jim and Rob Walton, brothers and heirs to the Walmart fortune; and Ron Cameron, an Arkansas poultry magnate.

Two groups closely affiliated with Charles Koch contributed $50 million of the money. Mr. Koch is a major shareholder in Koch Industries, which contributed $25 million to Americans for Prosperity Action, the draft of the filings shows. Another $25 million was donated by Stand Together, a nonprofit he founded.

With this large sum to start, the network plans to throw its weight into the G.O.P. presidential nominating contest for the first time in its history. The network spent nearly $500 million supporting Republican candidates and conservative policies in the 2020 election cycle alone.

The Koch network's goal in the 2024 presidential primaries, which has been described only indirectly in written internal communications, is to stop Mr. Trump from winning the Republican nomination. In February, a top political official in the network, Emily Seidel, wrote a memo to donors and activists saying it was time to "have a president in 2025 who represents a new chapter."

With seven months until the primaries, the Koch coalition of conservatives is still searching for who its influential and wealthy donors believe can take down the former president, a reflection of a broader paralysis among anti-Trump Republican donors who have watched in shock as Mr. Trump's poll numbers have held despite two indictments. A memo that circulated inside the Koch network this month made the case that Mr. Trump's renomination was not inevitable, arguing that the issue of electability could still weaken him.

Some top Republican donors, who routinely write seven- or eight-figure checks to support candidates, are keeping their checkbooks closed as they wait to see whether Mr. DeSantis can improve or whether another candidate, like Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, pops during the summer debates. Their paralysis has benefited Mr. Trump, who is begrudgingly viewed by many top party donors as the inevitable nominee.

Yet officials in the Koch network profess optimism that 2024 will not be a repeat of 2016, when Mr. Trump began winning statewide races with roughly a third of the party's Republican base behind him in a fractured, crowded field.

The notion of Mr. Trump's inevitability "is being pushed by left-leaning media outlets, political operatives and the Trump campaign itself," Michael Palmer, president of the Koch-affiliated voter data group i360, wrote in a memo this month.

Can't wait to hear from the Trumpers that China is really our best friend, much better than supporting Ukraine. So it was a great benefit to have China know about our military planning documents for a war against Iran:

Trump 2024 aide who allegedly saw classified map works for China lobbying firm
By Josh Christenson
June 29, 2023 3:47pm Updated

Biden's special envoy for Iran 'on leave' after possibly mishandling classified documents

Trump loses bid to toss out E. Jean Carroll's original defamation suit over rape claim

Three charged with insider trading tied to merger with Donald Trump's Truth Social parent company

A top Trump campaign adviser who apparently was shown classified documents by the former president has a top post at a lobbying firm serving Chinese entities that potentially pose a national security threat and help Beijing commit human rights abuses.

Susie Wiles works on Donald Trump's 2024 campaign and is co-chair of Mercury Public Affairs, which has taken millions of dollars in recent years from Chinese companies such as Yealink, Hikvision and Alibaba.

Wiles, a veteran of several GOP campaigns including Ron DeSantis' 2018 run for Florida governor, has also been identified as one of several people to whom the 45th president allegedly revealed sensitive material, ABC News reported late Wednesday.

According to a 37-count indictment brought earlier this month by Special Counsel Jack Smith, a "PAC representative" reportedly Wiles visited the 77-year-old ex-president at his Bedminster, NJ, golf club in August or September 2021 and was improperly shown a classified map of a foreign nation.

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But calling them "ridiculous" is dismissive...and you are referring to some folks who, like I said, are well-educated and intelligent...

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What's your opinion of Trump when he does exactly the same?

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we have hit peak insanity when FireAg is calling for well reasoned logical debate from the DESANTIS side rather than the Trump side.

there are LITERALLY HUNDREDS of posts on this very thread where DeSantis backers are laying out in a rational, calculating, logical process why it's better to nominate him over Trump if you want to win a general election.

And yet the guys backing THE GUY WHO MAKES FUN OF OPPONENT'S WIVES are the ones who need to be protected from the DeSantis supporters.

and this is on a stupid message board!! how about analyzing the actual CANDIDATES themselves and how they act and behave?!?!

Which team is more professional and gracious towards other Republicans? the Trump campaign or the DeSantis campaign?

not posters- but how do the actual candidates behave?

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Becoming more and more clear to me that Candace is ambitious, cunning, brave, bold etc etc...but just not very intelligent. She is more fueled by emotion than logic and intellect.

She makes a lot of great, intelligent points from time to time, but now I am wondering how much of that was actually her original thought? That is how stupid her tweet up above is. Has me second guessing her entire body of work.

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pulling a page from the Candace Owens playbook...

I always had a "vibe' that she is a massive grifter who saw her payday would be becoming the pretty black girl conservative.

all the while hanging out and supporting Kanye West and partying at Mar A Lago with her millionaire husband.

but she loves small town folks and Ron DeSantis is 'grossed out' by his parents and family and neighbors and childhood friends in Dunedin, Florida.

this is the insanity we are dealing with.

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Today, @RonDeSantis stopped by Grimaldi's in NYC to grab a slice of coal-fired pizza and rip into leftist government overreach with @JesseBWatters. It's all about controlling your behavior—and it won't stop until someone finally stands up to them. Ron DeSantis will stand between… pic.twitter.com/XAI8DypowU

— Bryan Griffin (@BryanDGriffin) June 30, 2023

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NEW: Gov. @RonDeSantis slams Pence, Haley, and other GOP candidates who side with Disney: "We don't subcontract to corporate interests."https://t.co/2T9Gzs0yUW

— Tony Kinnett (@TheTonus) June 30, 2023

Interesting that Reynolds will be there.

BREAKING via @DMRegister:

First Lady @CaseyDeSantis will launch the "Mamas for DeSantis" grassroots organization alongside @KimReynoldsIA July 6 in Johnston. https://t.co/DfMKqpBHUX

— Carly Atchison (@CarlyAtch) June 30, 2023

Gov. @RonDeSantis: When I see events like they had in New York City where they're chanting some drag queen, we are coming for your kids, let me tell you something, you start messing with our kids, we've got problems." pic.twitter.com/40aXMdtUZO

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) June 30, 2023

The government can't be the answer to every problem. The federal government has spent trillions of dollars trying end poverty, but has only made it more entrenched. It's time to do what works. pic.twitter.com/DATPuTY7PJ

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) June 30, 2023

Gov. @RonDeSantis: "Education, not indoctrination, needs to be the United States policy." pic.twitter.com/jyjr0IZHTH

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) June 30, 2023

Chip Roy with a very interesting read about DeSantis time in Congress when it comes to Protecting the Border.

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Indeed, in the only and last major legislative border security battle during his time in Congress, DeSantis did the right thing by our border states; he voted against mass amnesty and voted with conservatives for a bill commonly known as "Goodlatte 1." In the summer of 2018, conservatives put forward "Goodlatte 1" which was a relatively strong immigration and border bill that appropriated $30 billion in wall funding, ended the diversity visa lottery program, closed the "loopholes" in our laws, and included no pathway to citizenship for recipients of President Obama's unconstitutional DACA order.

However, Goodlatte 1 was being blocked by Speaker Paul Ryan and the Republican establishment in favor of a second so-called compromise bill known as "Goodlatte 2," which included $5 billion less in wall funding, merely shifted the visas in the visa lottery program to the merit-based program, and most disturbingly, included actual amnesty a path to citizenship for potentially 2 million people.

In response to the "leadership" push to replace "Goodlatte 1" with the amnesty of "Goodlatte 2," Ron DeSantis and other members of the House Freedom Caucus held up "must pass" legislation to demand a vote on Goodlatte 1. Thus, leadership was forced to put both bills on the floor. And what did DeSantis do? He voted for the strong bill with 192 other members of the House. That legislation only failed because 30 mostly establishment Republicans joined hand-in-hand with Nancy Pelosi and open-border Democrats to defeat it.

Then when the Goodlatte 2 amnesty approach was brought to the floor, DeSantis rightfully opposed this bill, which failed overwhelmingly with only 121 votes.

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Ryan, that damn establishment Republican!

Chip Roy's Op-Ed on Border Security Support

How conservative is Reynolds? Potential VP candidate if RDS gets the nod?

She's very conservative on abortion. I don't know as much on her day-to-day policy positions. BigRob could weigh in on that.

He did such an amazing job on Covid? He apparently deserves more credit for that.

NEW: Trump reflects on the “amazing job” that the Trump-Fauci Administration did during Covid. pic.twitter.com/qeaVOTZIR0

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) June 30, 2023

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Reynolds has been backing DeSantis for months-

she won't publicly choose someone but you can tell she is always at his events

she would be a second choice behind Youngkin

https://t.co/8bWQCcMb80 pic.twitter.com/MVmjfB74t7

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) July 1, 2023

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He did such an amazing job on Covid? He apparently deserves more credit for that.

NEW: Trump reflects on the “amazing job” that the Trump-Fauci Administration did during Covid. pic.twitter.com/qeaVOTZIR0

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) June 30, 2023

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He's off his rocker at this point. He either knowingly lies or in his narcissism he actually believes these things. Or maybe a little of both.

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Gov. @RonDeSantis: When I see events like they had in New York City where they're chanting some drag queen, we are coming for your kids, let me tell you something, you start messing with our kids, we've got problems." pic.twitter.com/40aXMdtUZO

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) June 30, 2023

The government can't be the answer to every problem. The federal government has spent trillions of dollars trying end poverty, but has only made it more entrenched. It's time to do what works. pic.twitter.com/DATPuTY7PJ

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) June 30, 2023

Gov. @RonDeSantis: "Education, not indoctrination, needs to be the United States policy." pic.twitter.com/jyjr0IZHTH

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) June 30, 2023

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Very Reagan-esque.

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— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) July 1, 2023

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You pretty much have to run a basement campaign when you're that old. Trump will be the same age next year that Biden was when he was inaugurated. We need to stop pretending that Trump is just so much more active and fit and mentally engaged than Biden was then.

why didn’t he do it the first four years? https://t.co/n2QrFYAXHv

— Just Mindy 🐊 (@just_mindy) July 1, 2023

It's kinda funny to see DeSantis employ Trumps own tactics against him