I would bet RD is planning a massive ground game and media blitz for the first primary. If he can come in high it will get the chunck of voters thats not paying attention on board. He just needs to show them there's another candidate besides Trump.

Also, the more Trump panics and talks crazy the more people are going to tire of him by the primary. This isn't 2016 anymore. His schtick is old and getting older.

FireAg said:

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The only caution I would offer...

Obama was a very popular, rising star...


...wait for it...



...BLACK guy who folks thought would have a great shot at being the first "black" president...

He had a certain, unique "curb appeal", if you will...and I'm not sure DeSantis will have that same draw from the regular Joe's wanting to elect the first "minority" as POTUS just to say we did it...

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I still don't put much stock in polls but this is interesting. Marquette is typically the main one you hear quoted for Wisconsin as well:

🚨 WISCONSIN POLL: Marquette U.

PRES:
(D) Biden 52%
(R) Trump 43%
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(D) Biden 49%
(R) DeSantis 47%

GOP PRES:
Trump — 31%
DeSantis — 30%
Pence — 6%
Scott — 5%
Undecided — 21%

2-Way
DeSantis — 57%
Trump — 41%

Source: @MULawPoll | 06/8-13 | RVs

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) June 28, 2023

FireAg said:

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The only caution I would offer...

Obama was a very popular, rising star...


...wait for it...



...BLACK guy who folks thought would have a great shot at being the first "black" president...

He had a certain, unique "curb appeal", if you will...and I'm not sure DeSantis will have that same draw from the regular Joe's wanting to elect the first "minority" as POTUS just to say we did it...

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This can't be a serious post.

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DeSantis visited the Texas border on Monday...

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/06/26/ron-desantis-texas-border-mexico/

I would think that would have been a pretty big story...

Didn't get much play at all, apparently...

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Like the media is going to give DeSantis any positive time. They want Trump as the nominee because even
Biden can beat him.

In 2016 all the media did before the nomination was TRUMP this TRUMP that because the media knew Trump was the only candidate Hill Dawg had any chance to beat in the general.

Expect exactly the same thing this time.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Tariffs aren't "conservative ". Right? I'm sure Rob will have to vote third party now.

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They aren't. And it sucks he even mentioned them, but he has a solid conservative record to look at, too. Unlike Trump. So, no....if it's Ronnie D. I'm voting R for first time in years.

For all the crap we give about Dems being idiots, we aren't far behind.

Republicans learning no lessons, example #35285 https://t.co/1wqZrNLjG6

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) June 29, 2023

Bexar Ag said:

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His family's net worth went up during his tenure

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Ok?

Rapier108 said:

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Cult45 lies more than the left does.

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Please back this up.

TRM said:

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For all the crap we give about Dems being idiots, we aren't far behind.

Republicans learning no lessons, example #35285 https://t.co/1wqZrNLjG6

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) June 29, 2023

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That 28% which wants Oz is the hardcore Cult45.

That said, Casey is safe. He's way too popular to unseat unless something catastrophic happens.

So if DeSantis doesn't win the primary…we blame the media?

I see…

FireAg said:

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So if DeSantis doesn't win the primary…we blame the media?

I see…

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Partially. They want Trump because it helps their ratings so they will continue to push him as much as possible. Why anyone else would want to watch Trump lose to Biden again (or more likely Newsom) is still a mystery though.

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Tariffs aren't "conservative ". Right? I'm sure Rob will have to vote third party now.

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They aren't. And it sucks he even mentioned them, but he has a solid conservative record to look at, too. Unlike Trump. So, no....if it's Ronnie D. I'm voting R for first time in years.

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Technically he didn't, the interviewer asked him and he said "all options are on the table" and he talked about remittances to Mexico.

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So if DeSantis doesn't win the primary…we blame the media?

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We could always blame dominion voting machines and ballot harvesting... while we do nothing to address it.

Great interview here with DeSanits in SF:

Ron DeSantis confronts the apocalyptic homelessness on the sidewalks of San Francisco that Gavin Newsom vowed to end in 10 years… back in 2004. pic.twitter.com/fQrZL93yTH

— Kevin Dalton (@TheKevinDalton) June 29, 2023

Now we’re talking!!! pic.twitter.com/FwpFim4sIi

— Steve Cortes (@CortesSteve) June 29, 2023

https://t.co/mvxODOczuz pic.twitter.com/G0kAyOLiS2

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) June 28, 2023

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https://t.co/mvxODOczuz pic.twitter.com/G0kAyOLiS2

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) June 28, 2023

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Literally had a liberal buddy of mine text me about this tonight and he thought it was some big slam on DeSantis. I just replied, "Love it". That wasn't what he expected.

can you imagine the hatred from Trumpworld if Giuliani actually flips and cooperates with the DOJ against Donald?!!

"Trump's legal team that included Giuliani filed myriad spurious lawsuits in battleground states raising unsupported claims of vast election fraud even though Republican election officials and even Attorney General William Barr derided the claims as laughable.

Giuliani also reportedly coordinated efforts to gin up bogus slates of pro-Trump electors from states that Biden won.

Prosecutors reportedly asked Giuliani about his work with fellow pro-Trump lawyers Sidney Powell and John Eastman, who is believed to be a target of the federal probe.

They also quizzed him about the situation at the Willard Hotel in Washington, where Trump allies gathered to plan for the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. The Giuliani interview is a fresh sign that Smith is doggedly scrutinizing Trump and others for potential crimes linked to his effort to overturn the election and the Jan. 6 attack."

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Great interview here with DeSanits in SF:

Ron DeSantis confronts the apocalyptic homelessness on the sidewalks of San Francisco that Gavin Newsom vowed to end in 10 years… back in 2004. pic.twitter.com/fQrZL93yTH

— Kevin Dalton (@TheKevinDalton) June 29, 2023

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historians will be flabbergasted and unable to explain (if there are still US historians in 50 years) -

that one of the two major political parties kept supporting a near 80 year old twice impeached, three time indicted huckster who led them to four straight national election losses over 8 years.

when they simply could have chosen the guy in this interview and actually easily won a Presidential election.

FireAg said:

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So if DeSantis doesn't win the primary…we blame the media?

I see…

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and when Trump loses for a fourth time you will blame:

media
polling
GOP establishment
RINOS
cheating
voting machines
ballot harvesting
Hillary Clinton
Department of Justice
Deep State
backstabbers
Never Trumpers

Phatbob said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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You can't compare 1980 and '84 to today, it was a different world and we were in the Cold War.

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Baloney. One theme that has resonated from every one of you DeSantites is rather or not policy is "conservative " enough, or at all. Anything Trump has done that doesn't fit the mold of "conservative ", y'all immediately label him a RINO or even a liberal. Using that metric, Reagan wouldn't pass your muster. And if that logic had been followed in 1980, we would've missed out on our greatest president. I so want fiscal conservative policy, but I'm wise enough to know it won't ever happen to any meaningful degree. Our electorate can't stomach it, and our politicians lack the courage or political will to sell it. This is why I've deviated slightly from my typical political wants, to one focusing on the culture war. The electorate must change and that is the front to fight it on

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The more I think about it, the more I love that you brought up Reagan. I can look up countless clips of Reagan explaining why the direction of the country needed to go his way, in an inspirational manner... please point to me something I can bookmark, FROM TRUMP, that I can bring up in 20 years and show my grandkids what the Trump years were about.

It can be a speech, a tweet, a "truth", whatever you want to bring up, but I want something that I can point to, after a generation has passed, that can be said to embody... correctly... the basis of a Trump presidency. Something where I don't have to look up who was a Senator, Attorney General, or some Prosecutor in NY to explain to them who he is talking about.

This is why it is important... you can point to Reagan as a great president, and you can hear why, from his own words and perspective and it makes sense why it worked. That changes the landscape forever. Did Trump do some good things as president? Sure did. In 20 years, can we explain why they were good, even from his perspective? Not likely, because those things didn't last and they weren't based in principles.

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Reagan was 10 times the man and the politician and leader that Trump ever was.

Volunteered in WWII even though he could have gotten out of the military because he was older and married. spent DECADES discussing political and societal issues. Two term governor of California. One of the foremost ideological minds of the conservative movement.

There is literally no policy that Trump has ever conceived -other than "insult anyone and everyone who gets in my way"

Nothing says "establishment" like eliminating entire federal bureaucratic agencies.

So is this something that doesn't move the needle for you, FireAg? Or does it need to be directed at Trump and be some nonsensical derogatory name to count? Except you don't want that, either because "we need the MAGA vote and can't ruffle their feathers"?

Funky Winkerbean said:

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The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

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why is it that Trumpers can only think about two scenarios:

1. we put Trump back in to destroy everyone and everything
2. we put DeSantis in and maybe he doesn't destroy everyone and everything

how about scenario 3:

3. we nominate our weaker general election candiate Trump; Biden is elected or Newsome is elected; and we have FIVE MORE YEARS of this leftist destruction of the country.

I wonder why Trumpers never discuss scenario 3?

NO ONE is more conservative than Erick Erickson of RedState. He was a huge supporter of Trump since 2015. Now he sees that DeSantis is the only way forward:

To summarize the NBC Poll: A majority of Americans have deep, deep concerns about Biden's physical and mental state; Kamala Harris is the least liked Vice President in the poll's history; and notwithstanding both, Biden/Harris would still beat Trump. All the GOP has to do is…

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) June 26, 2023

Trump loses to Biden
DeSantis beats Biden

🚨SWING STATE POLL🚨

Biden: 48% (+2)
Trump: 46%

Biden: 44%
DeSantis: 50% (+6)

Source: NBC News

The eight-point difference in swing states is entirely consistent with most state level polling. pic.twitter.com/4ZpXZi4d3T

— Giancarlo Sopo (@GiancarloSopo) June 25, 2023

LMCane said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

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why is it that Trumpers can only think about two scenarios:

1. we put Trump back in to destroy everyone and everything
2. we put DeSantis in and maybe he doesn't destroy everyone and everything

how about scenario 3:

3. we nominate our weaker general election candiate Trump; Biden is elected or Newsome is elected; and we have FIVE MORE YEARS of this leftist destruction of the country.

I wonder why Trumpers never discuss scenario 3?

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Or how about number 4?

The liberal MSM (The NBC poll you reference) is continuing its onslaught of Trump because the left fears what he knows and his tenacity to hold them accountable. Why don't you talk about that? You're following everything that supports your TDS. But please continue your preaching. If you haven't learned to distrust the media, where have you been?

LMCane said:

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FireAg said:

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So if DeSantis doesn't win the primary…we blame the media?

I see…

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and when Trump loses for a fourth time you will blame:

media
polling
GOP establishment
RINOS
cheating
voting machines
ballot harvesting
Hillary Clinton
Department of Justice
Deep State
backstabbers
Never Trumpers

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I'll blame close-minded jerks who refuse to have an open conversation and failed reading comprehension...

I don't care if Trump or DeSantis wins the primary...R's can't lose the general...

That is my one and only concern...

If DeSantis is the man...so be it...

It doesn't change the fact that I believe there was rampant cheating in 2020...but it also doesn't change the fact that there isn't one damn thing I can do about it...

Phatbob said:

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Nothing says "establishment" like eliminating entire federal bureaucratic agencies.

So is this something that doesn't move the needle for you, FireAg? Or does it need to be directed at Trump and be some nonsensical derogatory name to count? Except you don't want that, either because "we need the MAGA vote and can't ruffle their feathers"?

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Show me ONE ****ing time I have EVER said DeSantis is "establishment"...ONE TIME...

Reading comprehension is something a lot of you need work on...it's pretty pathetic how bad some of you are at it...

I am NOT "anti-DeSantis"...I'll happily pull the handle for him in November 2024 if he's at the top...

And I have NEVER said otherwise...

So take your bull**** schtick and shove it...

Funky Winkerbean said:

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LMCane said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

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why is it that Trumpers can only think about two scenarios:

1. we put Trump back in to destroy everyone and everything
2. we put DeSantis in and maybe he doesn't destroy everyone and everything

how about scenario 3:

3. we nominate our weaker general election candiate Trump; Biden is elected or Newsome is elected; and we have FIVE MORE YEARS of this leftist destruction of the country.

I wonder why Trumpers never discuss scenario 3?

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Or how about number 4?

The liberal MSM (The NBC poll you reference) is continuing its onslaught of Trump because the left fears what he knows and his tenacity to hold them accountable. Why don't you talk about that? You're following everything that supports your TDS. But please continue your preaching. If you haven't learned to distrust the media, where have you been?

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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LMCane said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

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why is it that Trumpers can only think about two scenarios:

1. we put Trump back in to destroy everyone and everything
2. we put DeSantis in and maybe he doesn't destroy everyone and everything

how about scenario 3:

3. we nominate our weaker general election candiate Trump; Biden is elected or Newsome is elected; and we have FIVE MORE YEARS of this leftist destruction of the country.

I wonder why Trumpers never discuss scenario 3?

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Or how about number 4?

The liberal MSM (The NBC poll you reference) is continuing its onslaught of Trump because the left fears what he knows and his tenacity to hold them accountable. Why don't you talk about that? You're following everything that supports your TDS. But please continue your preaching. If you haven't learned to distrust the media, where have you been?

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Can you state an example of where Trump held someone on the left accountable?

FireAg said:

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Phatbob said:

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Nothing says "establishment" like eliminating entire federal bureaucratic agencies.

So is this something that doesn't move the needle for you, FireAg? Or does it need to be directed at Trump and be some nonsensical derogatory name to count? Except you don't want that, either because "we need the MAGA vote and can't ruffle their feathers"?

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Show me ONE ****ing time I have EVER said DeSantis is "establishment"...ONE TIME...

Reading comprehension is something a lot of you need work on...it's pretty pathetic how bad some of you are at it...

I am NOT "anti-DeSantis"...I'll happily pull the handle for him in November 2024 if he's at the top...

And I have NEVER said otherwise...

So take your bull**** schtick and shove it...

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Woah there, brother... I did not mean to insinuate that you had (thus the paragraph break). Read what I wrote, not what you are thinking I wrote. My challenge to you is, does this meat your guidelines of "He needs to do something that grabs headlines" yet "don't anger MAGA" (the same way MAGA gets all the headlines)?

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Can you state an example of where Trump held someone on the left accountable?

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I can name lots of times. like when he mentioned them as "Very bad people, the worst" in his speeches.

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I'll blame close-minded jerks who refuse to have an open conversation and failed reading comprehension...

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Most folks on this thread supporting DeSantis voted for Trump... twice. "Close minded jerks" indeed.

Phatbob said:

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FireAg said:

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Phatbob said:

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Nothing says "establishment" like eliminating entire federal bureaucratic agencies.

So is this something that doesn't move the needle for you, FireAg? Or does it need to be directed at Trump and be some nonsensical derogatory name to count? Except you don't want that, either because "we need the MAGA vote and can't ruffle their feathers"?

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Show me ONE ****ing time I have EVER said DeSantis is "establishment"...ONE TIME...

Reading comprehension is something a lot of you need work on...it's pretty pathetic how bad some of you are at it...

I am NOT "anti-DeSantis"...I'll happily pull the handle for him in November 2024 if he's at the top...

And I have NEVER said otherwise...

So take your bull**** schtick and shove it...

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Woah there, brother... I did not mean to insinuate that you had (thus the paragraph break). Read what I wrote, not what you are thinking I wrote. My challenge to you is, does this meat your guidelines of "He needs to do something that grabs headlines" yet "don't anger MAGA" (the same way MAGA gets all the headlines)?

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Jesus H. Christ, dude...I happen to like what RD says, including what is in the tweets above...

I have NEVER said otherwise...

But I am NOT the one you have to convince...there are 10s of millions of folks that are pro-Trump currently that do NOT follow every little morsel on Twitter...

Why the **** can't we have an open conversation with give and take on TexAgs without one side or the other being triggered and coming out guns blazing with every little ****ing discussion point?

And THAT is my point...BOTH of these camps need to work TOGETHER next November, no matter what...