Old May Banker said:

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Articles that aren't kind to Trump = fake news

Articles that aren't kind to DeSantis = accurate and he needs to be better.

Amiright?

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Nah...I think articles that aren't kind to DeSantis are more often than not going to be bull**** as well...

Except maybe the polling ones...

But articles attacking DeSantis on immigration policy, for instance, are mostly bull*****..

Still, in the 24-hour news cycle, even if an article about him makes it to print, it gets lost in the noise pretty quick...

aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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We will know he is gaining steam when 1) his poll numbers reflect that, which will be followed closely by 2) MSM starts hammering him instead of Trump...

DeSantis released his strategy for controlling the boarders and fighting illegal immigration yesterday, did he not?

I can't find anyone in the media really taking the time to discuss it...why not?

And it has some real, Leftist-triggering points in it...but hardly a mention of it that I can find in MSM...

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It's not getting traction because outside of Boards like this the minor moves of the potential GOP Primary race that is 8 months from starting just isn't going to make headlines. People are not engaged right now and nothing DeSantis can do is going to change that right now without taking a huge risk or making a huge mistake.

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In your opinion...sure...

Others have differing opinions...

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out...

Would you say that these polls are as factual as all the ones that had Hillary beating Trump?

The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

Except Trump can't win.

Phatbob said:

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1. If this were true, no Republican other than Trump would ever have won a national election. As we have stated before, Desantis doesn't need the same voters as Trump (no 2 politicians are going to have the same voting blocs), just more.of them. Desantis can get way more votes from people who are sick of the absolute circus coming from both the Trump and Biden presidencies.

2. I voted for Trump. I might again, but I won't be enthusiastic about it like I once was. He made sure of that.

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Same Here. I'll wont vote FOR Trump.
But I'll always vote AGAINST a DemocRAT. As goofy as Trump is he is a 1000X better than a dRat.

But its my view DeSantis is a far superior candidate overall.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

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Sorry but this is emotionally driven. Not logical and its not whats best for America.

I understand your anger and frustration. The derats are the worst but at the end of the day Trump is not the best weapon to use against them.

Old May Banker said:

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Would you say that these polls are as factual as all the ones that had Hillary beating Trump?

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I'm looking at national averages of polls, so yes…I believe Trump is way ahead currently…at least based on averages…

Individual polls will point one way or another…

ttu_85 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

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Sorry but this is emotionally driven. Not logical and its not whats best for America.

I understand your anger and frustration. The derats are the worst but at the end of the day Trump is not the best weapon to use against them.

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You just can't help yourself can you.

"Not logical and not what's best for America " ..that is opinion, not fact. Just as what I stated is my opinion.

And it's not emotionally driven. I believe winning the culture war, in this cycle, is what's best for America right now.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

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That's why future AG Lindsay Graham is going to Drain that Swamp!

Or maybe you think Lindsay is backing Trump and basically running his South Carolina campaign for some other reason?

ttu_85 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

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Sorry but this is emotionally driven. Not logical and its not whats best for America.

I understand your anger and frustration. The derats are the worst but at the end of the day Trump is not the best weapon to use against them.

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Cool story, and probably more accurate than not…

But that's not the point…you have to convince literally 10s of millions of people to agree with you in the primary battle…and right now…they don't…the inertia created by groupthink can be difficult (not impossible) to overcome…

Wtf are you talking about? You think Graham wants to be AG and Trump will pick him?

And I believe a very large portion of the R electorate agrees with you…for better or worse…

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Except Trump can't win.

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Check the latest polling, whatever that's worth.

And Trump couldn't win in '16 either. Oh snap..

FireAg said:

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aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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We will know he is gaining steam when 1) his poll numbers reflect that, which will be followed closely by 2) MSM starts hammering him instead of Trump...

DeSantis released his strategy for controlling the boarders and fighting illegal immigration yesterday, did he not?

I can't find anyone in the media really taking the time to discuss it...why not?

And it has some real, Leftist-triggering points in it...but hardly a mention of it that I can find in MSM...

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It's not getting traction because outside of Boards like this the minor moves of the potential GOP Primary race that is 8 months from starting just isn't going to make headlines. People are not engaged right now and nothing DeSantis can do is going to change that right now without taking a huge risk or making a huge mistake.

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In your opinion...sure...

Others have differing opinions...

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out...

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Of course it is all opinions but my opinions are based on looking at decades of Primaries and Presidential campaigns and how they trended and what worked and what didn't.

Your opinion seems to be based around the belief that by far the most important thing are polls taken 2 months before the first debate, 8 months before the first primary, a year before the primaries will likely be decided and 17 months before the General election.

I will admit if you are correct and polling right now is the most important thing then Trump wins. One question though. If that's really the case then why is Trump having so much trouble getting big donors on board? I mean these are folks that just want to bet on the winning horse in general and most are prior Trump donors. Why are they donating to DeSantis?

Funky Winkerbean said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

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Sorry but this is emotionally driven. Not logical and its not whats best for America.

I understand your anger and frustration. The derats are the worst but at the end of the day Trump is not the best weapon to use against them.

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You just can't help yourself can you.

"Not logical and not what's best for America " ..that is opinion, not fact. Just as what I stated is my opinion.

And it's not emotionally driven. I believe winning the culture war, in this cycle, is what's best for America right now.

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The emotion comes from thinking trump, a lifelong democrat conman who has done absolutely nothing to win, or really even fight effectively, the culture war while having 4 years in office, while DeSantis actually has skins on the wall. And he's done it in such an effective way that he turned a purple state deep red.

I can't help but to call out your signature. I highly doubt Reagan would earn your vote today. He's not as conservative as people think. He was charming and very easy to like and the first president I voted for.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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I can't help but to call out your signature. I highly doubt Reagan would earn your vote today. He's not as conservative as people think. He was charming and very easy to like and the first president I voted for.

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Me too. In 1980.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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The qualifications and vision in regards to DeSantis is not his issue. He is very much qualified and worthy of all our votes. His problem right now is timing. The core of the Republican Party is pissed off over what's happened to Trump (read us) and wants the "outsider" DJT to tear a new ******* into the Democrats. We are tired of swamp, RINO, aisle crossing limp dicked politicians not doing their jobs. Agree or disagree on what Trump did, but you can't deny he got things done (at least before getting neutered). The thought of a pissed off, 2nd term Trump is exciting in regards to policy, and orgasmic in regards to politics. He brings out the worst in the left, which given how criminal they've acted, I want them shamed and prosecuted for that. And honestly, if it's DeSantis or Trump we all win. But at this point and time my dream scenario is 4 more with Trump, then 8 more with DeSantis.

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Sorry but this is emotionally driven. Not logical and its not whats best for America.

I understand your anger and frustration. The derats are the worst but at the end of the day Trump is not the best weapon to use against them.

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You just can't help yourself can you.

"Not logical and not what's best for America " ..that is opinion, not fact. Just as what I stated is my opinion.

And it's not emotionally driven. I believe winning the culture war, in this cycle, is what's best for America right now.

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Ott-Damn me too! very much so. According to your posting history we agree on about 99% of the issues. We just differ as to who has the best chance to win on election day and win the culture, international relations, economic, etc etc wars.

We actually have Trumps record. He is a known commodity. Certainly far better than any demorat but he failed to purge Obama's rats out of their jobs. I have trouble forgiving that. I think DeSantis will do better. I know an opinion.

Yeah because Trump sat on his ass and did nothing for 4 years…

He wasn't at all distracted by the establishment trying make **** up so as to impeach him and such…

And yet he still got things accomplished in spite of it…

Imagine what he might have done without the establishment trying to dethrone him every single day of his presidency…

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Except Trump can't win.

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Check the latest polling, whatever that's worth.

And Trump couldn't win in '16 either. Oh snap..

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Or in 2020.

aggiehawg said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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I can't help but to call out your signature. I highly doubt Reagan would earn your vote today. He's not as conservative as people think. He was charming and very easy to like and the first president I voted for.

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Me too. In 1980.

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Add me to to that list. I see a lot of Reagan in DeSantis. Both true believers in the American way. I see Trump as more devoted to himself.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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I can't help but to call out your signature. I highly doubt Reagan would earn your vote today. He's not as conservative as people think. He was charming and very easy to like and the first president I voted for.

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You can't compare 1980 and '84 to today, it was a different world and we were in the Cold War. Reagan ran against Bush in '80 so I have no doubt I would have picked Reagan btw. Certainly Carter and Mondale weren't a consideration. I could probably write a 30 page thread on Reagan and what he did right and wrong as President. Short version is he was great in his first term and made a mistake with "Morning in America" for his second term trying to build a bipartisan legacy instead of sticking to conservative principles. Foreign policy was so different then it is hard to even explain to someone who didn't see it. My Dad was stationed at Ramstein when his HQ building he worked in was bombed and I went through Checkpoint Charlie back when it wasn't a tourist destination so I think I understood it pretty well even if I couldn't vote.

Sadly my first vote wasn't until '92 ironically for Bush.

FireAg said:

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Yeah because Trump sat on his ass and did nothing for 4 years…

He wasn't at all distracted by the establishment trying make **** up so as to impeach him and such…

And yet he still got things accomplished in spite of it…

Imagine what he might have done without the establishment trying to dethrone him every single day of his presidency…

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And that'll be different this time how? I mean besides the fact he'll be 80 years old...

That WEF puppet DeSantis!

China is hosting a World Economic Forum meeting this week, which is fitting because both the Chinese Communist Party and the WEF are in lockstep seeking to control people who never elected them.https://t.co/WvleUfa4lX

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) June 27, 2023

Lol if you think DeSantis, if he truly is anti-establishment, is immune to a Crossfire Hurricane or a quid pro quo….

You're blindly naive if you think that…

Where did I say I believe that?

I do believe a 45 year old man is MUCH better equipped for it.

FireAg said:

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Lol if you think DeSantis, if he truly is anti-establishment, is immune to a Crossfire Hurricane or a quid pro quo….

You're blindly naive if you think that…

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Your opinion. So much for your previously held objectivity. DeSantis is no more "establishment" than Trump.

Trump is all about Trump. Oh he cares about conservatism or whats best for America ONLY if he is leading it. Not exactly a team player. And for that reason I hope he gets crushed.

FireAg said:

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Yeah because Trump sat on his ass and did nothing for 4 years…

He wasn't at all distracted by the establishment trying make **** up so as to impeach him and such…

And yet he still got things accomplished in spite of it…

Imagine what he might have done without the establishment trying to dethrone him every single day of his presidency…

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The point is trump is not even interested in actually accomplishing anything when it comes to "fighting the culture war." Like everything else, he'll talk a big game, send out a bunch of tweets, etc but when it comes time to actually get something accomplished he isn't smart or disciplined enough to know how to work within the system, get people on his side and be so buttoned up with the process and legal implications to be able to take action.

But that's ok with him, because deep down he doesn't care about taking action, he just wants to be more famous. Thankfully once he loses the primary conservatives can finally be done with him forever.

ttu_85 said:

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FireAg said:

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Lol if you think DeSantis, if he truly is anti-establishment, is immune to a Crossfire Hurricane or a quid pro quo….

You're blindly naive if you think that…

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Your opinion. So much for your previously held objectivity. DeSantis is no more "establishment" than Trump.

Trump is all about Trump. Oh he cares about conservatism or whats best for America ONLY if he is leading it. Not exactly a team player. And for that reason I hope he gets crushed.

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Good lord some of you fail at reading comprehension…

I phrased it so it clearly was an OPINION, genius…

It's when one speaks in absolutes (like many of you are prone to do) where you are projecting your opinion as fact…

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You can't compare 1980 and '84 to today, it was a different world and we were in the Cold War.

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Baloney. One theme that has resonated from every one of you DeSantites is rather or not policy is "conservative " enough, or at all. Anything Trump has done that doesn't fit the mold of "conservative ", y'all immediately label him a RINO or even a liberal. Using that metric, Reagan wouldn't pass your muster. And if that logic had been followed in 1980, we would've missed out on our greatest president. I so want fiscal conservative policy, but I'm wise enough to know it won't ever happen to any meaningful degree. Our electorate can't stomach it, and our politicians lack the courage or political will to sell it. This is why I've deviated slightly from my typical political wants, to one focusing on the culture war. The electorate must change and that is the front to fight it on

Disingenuous and not even approaching half-truths…

But okay bud…we will agree to disagree…

Trump is our 80 year old, culture warrior. lol

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The point is trump is not even interested in actually accomplishing anything

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Wow. How many 80 year olds you know that sacrificed millions in personal gains, allowed themselves to get bludgeoned on social media, become a whipping post for the MSM and still spend more money trying to get their job back…to do nothing. Your TDS is terminal.

Old May Banker said:

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Trump is our 80 year old, culture warrior. lol

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So much depth. Thanks for playing.