OFFICIAL ****Donald Trump versus Ron DeSantis*** thread...

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aggie93 said:

This will trigger some Trump folks:


I somewhat disagree with that.

Yes we'd love a Supreme Court made of 9 clones of Clarence Thomas, but so far I've found Gorsuch to be pretty good; same for Barret. Kavanaugh has been the biggest disappointment of the three.

He could have picked a lot worse candidates, but they are no where near Souter level.
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Meh. Kavanaugh, ironically, is probably the most moderate. Gorsuch was a slam dunk. On what basis are they saying Barrett isn't any good?
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Rapier108 said:

aggie93 said:

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The Very Stable Genius' latest insane rant


Literally every Republican from Bush to Trump won every county in OK, some by larger margins. Trump endorsed Stitt AFTER he won the GOP nomination so he really went out on a limb for a guy in a +30 GOP State. Clearly this means Stitt owes him lifetime loyalty.
That is Trump's shtick. He makes tons of "endorsements," usually claiming someone begged him for it, most of whom are seats any Republican would win. Then he claims his endorsement is the reason the person won.

When his endorsements lose, he blames it on voter fraud.

What is the "disliking 'the Indians'" part referring to?
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If you don't vote for Trump, you ain't Indian!
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BenFiasco14 said:

Meh. Kavanaugh, ironically, is probably the most moderate. Gorsuch was a slam dunk. On what basis are they saying Barrett isn't any good?
He's not saying they're not good. He's saying they're not on the level of Thomas or Alito. But in fairness, you just can't know if they'll be that good until after they're confirmed.

Honestly, there are a lot of avenues to criticize Trump's record but his judicial appointments is not one of them.
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Senior Conservative Leader: "I won't support a convicted felon in Trump"

Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO) said that he would not support former president Donald Trump's bid for a second term if he was found guilty of the charges leveled against him by the Department of Justice, telling CNN's Dana Bash on Tuesday that he "won't support a convicted felon for the White House."

Buck, an outspoken member of the pro-Trump House Freedom Caucus, told Bash that "the allegations are very serious."

"I think there were national security implications from having documents in an unsecure area," he continued. "I think that the prosecutor really went into a lot of detail to explain to the American public why it was necessary to indict a former president."

After Bash read a series of statements from GOP leaders condemning Trump's indictment, Buck said that he and his colleagues had concerns over unequal enforcement of the law because the Justice Department had decided not to pursue charges against Hillary Clinton and others for their careless treatment of classified information.

"That doesn't excuse this [Trump's] conduct, but it certainly raises questions over equal treatment under the law, that's my only concern here," argued Buck. "I think this case will go forward and the results will speak for themselves, but we still need to explain to the American public why it is that there's an apparent disparate impact."

When Bash asked for Buck's reaction to a Truth Social post from Trump calling Special Counsel Jack Smith a "Thug" and accusing him of planting evidence to indict him, Buck said it was "very unlikely" that the FBI mishandled evidence in the case. Then Bash inquired if Buck would "feel comfortable with Donald Trump as president again?"

Buck replied:

"I would not feel comfortable with a convicted felon in the White House so we'll see how the case plays out and we'll see how the evidence is presented and what the defenses are. But let's just look at Donald Trump's words in 2016. He said that Hillary Clinton was unfit for the White House because of the way she handled classified information. He said that she wasn't even qualified to have a low-level State Department job because of the way she handled information. So I think his words have set the standard that America will look at in determining whether he is fit for president."
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DeSantis 41%[url=https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022][/url]
Trump 41%
Pence 3%
Christie 2%
Haley 2%
Ramaswamy 2%
Undecided 8%

(Total 1st and 2nd choice)

DeSantis 71%
Trump 57%

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The Case Against Donald Trump

"But with that said I do not now, nor have I for a long time felt that Trump is our best candidate. My rule is to vote for the most conservative candidate who can win, and I worry that a distracted Trump tied up in courts next year cannot campaign effectively nor will he be most likely to win. He might win, but the odds are worse than with somebody else.

I also am not convincedbased upon the evidence of the past 7 yearsthat Trump is the best equipped to actually put a huge dent in the Deep State, which is, by far, the most important job of the next Republican president. More important than the economy, or foreign policy short of averting a war. The greatest enemy of American freedom is our government bureaucracy, and it needs to be dismantled.

Trump claimed to understand this, but when push came to shove he was bamboozled by the Deep Statewhich is why he isn't president right now. Even Trump says so every daythe election was stolen, and the FBI and the Justice Department hounded him out of office. He was betrayed. He tells us that every day.

This may be an excuse for why he lost, and for why he handed the country over to Anthony Fauci in 2020and no matter what retrospective excuses he gives, he did precisely thatbut it is not a recommendation for his ability to defeat the Deep State in his last term as a man in his 80s. It seems implausible to me that he will win the next round in the battle.

Trump has alsoagain, by his own admissiondone a terrible job of hiring people. He keeps screaming about how awful his personnel choices wereeven those that were actually quite good, like Kayleigh McEnany. If all the people who served in his administration turned out to be traitors, how good a hiring manager is Donald Trump? He keeps telling us he sucks at hiring people. Shouldn't we trust him when he makes an admission against interest?

The next Republican president has a huge mess to clean up. Perhaps the largest governmental mess since Reconstruction. Our entire federal government appears to be corrupt to the core. We need a president who can serve 8 years, has conservative principles, and who knows how to fight the bureaucracy. Donald Trump has, at best, one out of three of those covered.

Currently, Trump is vigorous. Will he be in 6 years when he would leave office if elected? How much could a lame-duck president who is despised by much of the country accomplish in these circumstances? We don't know, but Trump would be 84 in his last year. How much do you want to bet he will be vigorous then?

Are you willing to bet the country? Does that seem a solid bet?"
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The best case against Donald Trump is that he's 76 years old.

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Gorsuch said being gay is equivalent to sex for discrimination laws (sex same as sexual orientation he says) and have half of OK to the Indians. He's FAR from Alito & Thomas.

I'm Gipper
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Zarathustra said:


The best case against Donald Trump is that he's 76 years old.




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Zarathustra said:


Ah yes, "Trust Trump's Plan/Trump The Plan." Qtardism is alive and well.

There is even a website which posts the daily "Q" drop so they can get their fix of whatever the hell Q is.

Hint: It is a CIA/NSA psyops.
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US Prosecutors may still charge Trump in New Jersey

"The legal uncertainties that surround bringing charges in Florida for dissemination of national-security secrets in Bedminster leaves open the possibility that charges might yet be brought in New Jersey a backup plan of sorts for Smith," wrote Goodman and Weissmann.

"If Aileen Cannon, the Florida judge assigned to the case, were to seek to pocket-veto the charges before her by, say, scheduling the trial for after the 2024 presidential election, the special counsel would be able to sidestep her tactic by proceeding with charges in New Jersey."

The Miami indictment notably excludes evidence surrounding Trump's potential crimes in Bedminster, which leads Goodman and Weissman to suspect those allegations could wind up in a separate case.

"Smith might still decide against bringing a separate indictment for dissemination, because such a move could be painted as overcharging," they wrote. "The government usually tries to avoid being seen as piling on, at least in such a high-profile matter.

But if Cannon acts consistently with her prior Trump-friendly rulings, which were twice found by unanimous panels of conservative appellate judges to be both factually and legally flawed, Smith might go looking for another way to ensure accountability and another venue where he could do so."
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Trump turned 77 yesterday
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Good points. I, as well, vote for the most conservative candidate that I think can win.

I have a fairly large cohort of Republican friends/family that feel the same (25-30), and all are planning on voting for DeSantis. Interestingly enough, though, liberal friends and family have already been convinced that DeSantis is the devil, so I am beginning to wonder if he has that much greater chance than Trump.

But there is apparently a large contingent of Republicans; people that I am unlikely to meet or interact with, and most of who don't post on sites like Texags, who will vote for Trump no matter what. I actually know the new Republican party far less well than I thought.
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northeastag said:

Good points. I, as well, vote for the most conservative candidate that I think can win.

I have a fairly large cohort of Republican friends/family that feel the same (25-30), and all are planning on voting for DeSantis. Interestingly enough, though, liberal friends and family have already been convinced that DeSantis is the devil, so I am beginning to wonder if he has that much greater chance than Trump.

But there is apparently a large contingent of Republicans; people that I am unlikely to meet or interact with, and most of who don't post on sites like Texags, who will vote for Trump no matter what. I actually know the new Republican party far less well than I thought.

Everything you posted seems to me to be 100% accurate based in reality.

Leftists will hate DeSantis because they know he is a more effective conservative than Trump.

but common sense and real politics tells us that:

DeSantis will get millions more "centrist", "independent" ,"republican leaning women in the suburbs", "never Trumper" voters.

and that is the difference in Scottsdale Arizona and Atlanta Georgia suburbs and Philadelphia PA suburbs and Milwaukee WI suburbs.

it's the only hope- because every sane and intelligent prognosticator KNOWS there is no way in hell Trump is going to win a general election.

and even if it's still not enough to win the Presidency, DeSantis will ensure the GOP takes over the Senate and has a good shot at keeping the House.

Put up Trump for a fourth straight national election and it's yet another destruction of Congressional Republicans being dragged down by his ego and narcissism.
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What does DeSantis have against the Border Patrol?

From TheStreet

Now, this article is about DeSantis exempting minor league baseball players. Here is the current law that is in effect for Florida:
Quote:

"The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour," Newsweek reported. "However, in 2020 the state of Florida passed a constitutional amendment that raised the state's minimum wage to $10 an hour and raised the rate by $1 per year until 2026, when the state's minimum wage will reach $15 an hour."
I don't agree with the minimum wage and am rather surprised Florida actually passed something this liberal. However, they talk about the corruption between DeSantis and the MLB lobby firm.
Quote:

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill sought by billionaire owners of Major League Baseball teams that cuts minor league baseball players off from the minimum wage," he tweeted.

"One day after this legislation was filed in Tallahassee, Joe Ricketts, the billionaire founder of TD Ameritrade whose kids own the Chicago Cubs, gave DeSantis a $1 million donation," Garcia wrote in one.

"Major League Baseball hired the lobbying firm owned by one of DeSantis' biggest Florida fundraisers and that now employs DeSantis' former chief of staff," he posted in another.
But, I found this in the article and was wondering WTF?
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The Florida Senate website explains that SB 892 would exempt border patrol agents and salaried baseball players from the Florida Minimum Wage Act.
Why exempt border patrol agents? I know in 2014 Obama's hate for border patrol was reflected in the federal statute that took away the protection for border patrol agents. However, the Florida Law paid more for minimum wage and did not exempt these agents.

I would think these guys already make more than the minimum wage, so why even bother? Seems like a strange ammendment that really doesn't affect anything. Except, of course, if DeSantis got paid a million for it.
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The attacks by the only and forever Trumpers get weaker and weaker.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Science Denier said:

What does DeSantis have against the Border Patrol?

From TheStreet

Now, this article is about DeSantis exempting minor league baseball players. Here is the current law that is in effect for Florida:
Quote:

"The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour," Newsweek reported. "However, in 2020 the state of Florida passed a constitutional amendment that raised the state's minimum wage to $10 an hour and raised the rate by $1 per year until 2026, when the state's minimum wage will reach $15 an hour."
I don't agree with the minimum wage and am rather surprised Florida actually passed something this liberal. However, they talk about the corruption between DeSantis and the MLB lobby firm.
Quote:

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill sought by billionaire owners of Major League Baseball teams that cuts minor league baseball players off from the minimum wage," he tweeted.

"One day after this legislation was filed in Tallahassee, Joe Ricketts, the billionaire founder of TD Ameritrade whose kids own the Chicago Cubs, gave DeSantis a $1 million donation," Garcia wrote in one.

"Major League Baseball hired the lobbying firm owned by one of DeSantis' biggest Florida fundraisers and that now employs DeSantis' former chief of staff," he posted in another.
But, I found this in the article and was wondering WTF?
Quote:

The Florida Senate website explains that SB 892 would exempt border patrol agents and salaried baseball players from the Florida Minimum Wage Act.
Why exempt border patrol agents? I know in 2014 Obama's hate for border patrol was reflected in the federal statute that took away the protection for border patrol agents. However, the Florida Law paid more for minimum wage and did not exempt these agents.

I would think these guys already make more than the minimum wage, so why even bother? Seems like a strange ammendment that really doesn't affect anything. Except, of course, if DeSantis got paid a million for it.
Considering the Border Patrol doesn't work for any state and they make a lot more than minimum wage, maybe, just maybe, this might be a crap article. My guess is on the MLB thing is it probably has to do with practice and overtime. Technically a Low A baseball player gets a signing bonus but their salary is crap and if they are paid a minimum wage plus OT for everything they do that is baseball related, including time they are traveling, that may end up being too expensive. Since Florida has a lot of minor league teams and Spring Training there is also likely a connection there. Not going to lose a lot of sleep over folks that play pro baseball not making enough money though.

It looks like the Minimum Wage Law was based off a referendum with signatures from constituents that passed in '20 and had nothing to do with DeSantis though I don't see him openly opposing it or endorsing it anywhere. It passed with 60% of the vote and my guess is not many jobs pay $7.25 in FL anyway so it likely has minimal impact but I agree it seems odd. I doubt it is something DeSantis wanted as it runs counter to everything else he has done and would not score him any political points.
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Solid new ad from DeSantis campaign:


"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

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aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

What does DeSantis have against the Border Patrol?

From TheStreet

Now, this article is about DeSantis exempting minor league baseball players. Here is the current law that is in effect for Florida:
Quote:

"The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour," Newsweek reported. "However, in 2020 the state of Florida passed a constitutional amendment that raised the state's minimum wage to $10 an hour and raised the rate by $1 per year until 2026, when the state's minimum wage will reach $15 an hour."
I don't agree with the minimum wage and am rather surprised Florida actually passed something this liberal. However, they talk about the corruption between DeSantis and the MLB lobby firm.
Quote:

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill sought by billionaire owners of Major League Baseball teams that cuts minor league baseball players off from the minimum wage," he tweeted.

"One day after this legislation was filed in Tallahassee, Joe Ricketts, the billionaire founder of TD Ameritrade whose kids own the Chicago Cubs, gave DeSantis a $1 million donation," Garcia wrote in one.

"Major League Baseball hired the lobbying firm owned by one of DeSantis' biggest Florida fundraisers and that now employs DeSantis' former chief of staff," he posted in another.
But, I found this in the article and was wondering WTF?
Quote:

The Florida Senate website explains that SB 892 would exempt border patrol agents and salaried baseball players from the Florida Minimum Wage Act.
Why exempt border patrol agents? I know in 2014 Obama's hate for border patrol was reflected in the federal statute that took away the protection for border patrol agents. However, the Florida Law paid more for minimum wage and did not exempt these agents.

I would think these guys already make more than the minimum wage, so why even bother? Seems like a strange ammendment that really doesn't affect anything. Except, of course, if DeSantis got paid a million for it.
Considering the Border Patrol doesn't work for any state and they make a lot more than minimum wage, maybe, just maybe, this might be a crap article. My guess is on the MLB thing is it probably has to do with practice and overtime. Technically a Low A baseball player gets a signing bonus but their salary is crap and if they are paid a minimum wage plus OT for everything they do that is baseball related, including time they are traveling, that may end up being too expensive. Since Florida has a lot of minor league teams and Spring Training there is also likely a connection there. Not going to lose a lot of sleep over folks that play pro baseball not making enough money though.

It looks like the Minimum Wage Law was based off a referendum with signatures from constituents that passed in '20 and had nothing to do with DeSantis though I don't see him openly opposing it or endorsing it anywhere. It passed with 60% of the vote and my guess is not many jobs pay $7.25 in FL anyway so it likely has minimal impact but I agree it seems odd. I doubt it is something DeSantis wanted as it runs counter to everything else he has done and would not score him any political points.
1. The article references Newsweek, so it's not a crap article.
2. This modification was not on any referrendum. It was introduced and passed and signed by DeSantis.
3. DeSantis was paid $1mm for this deal to go thru.

Typical insider political deal. No wonder the establishment loves him over Trump.
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aggie93 said:

Solid new ad from DeSantis campaign:



Not bad at all.

Tucker is going to be sitting down with him in July. I have a feeling he's going to go after DeSantis a bit. I have no doubt he likes him, but I think he could really want to pin RD down on the Ukraine thing and a couple other topics, and I hope DeSantis is prepared. Hedging will look really bad in that environment.

For reference:

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Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

What does DeSantis have against the Border Patrol?

From TheStreet

Now, this article is about DeSantis exempting minor league baseball players. Here is the current law that is in effect for Florida:
Quote:

"The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour," Newsweek reported. "However, in 2020 the state of Florida passed a constitutional amendment that raised the state's minimum wage to $10 an hour and raised the rate by $1 per year until 2026, when the state's minimum wage will reach $15 an hour."
I don't agree with the minimum wage and am rather surprised Florida actually passed something this liberal. However, they talk about the corruption between DeSantis and the MLB lobby firm.
Quote:

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill sought by billionaire owners of Major League Baseball teams that cuts minor league baseball players off from the minimum wage," he tweeted.

"One day after this legislation was filed in Tallahassee, Joe Ricketts, the billionaire founder of TD Ameritrade whose kids own the Chicago Cubs, gave DeSantis a $1 million donation," Garcia wrote in one.

"Major League Baseball hired the lobbying firm owned by one of DeSantis' biggest Florida fundraisers and that now employs DeSantis' former chief of staff," he posted in another.
But, I found this in the article and was wondering WTF?
Quote:

The Florida Senate website explains that SB 892 would exempt border patrol agents and salaried baseball players from the Florida Minimum Wage Act.
Why exempt border patrol agents? I know in 2014 Obama's hate for border patrol was reflected in the federal statute that took away the protection for border patrol agents. However, the Florida Law paid more for minimum wage and did not exempt these agents.

I would think these guys already make more than the minimum wage, so why even bother? Seems like a strange ammendment that really doesn't affect anything. Except, of course, if DeSantis got paid a million for it.
Considering the Border Patrol doesn't work for any state and they make a lot more than minimum wage, maybe, just maybe, this might be a crap article. My guess is on the MLB thing is it probably has to do with practice and overtime. Technically a Low A baseball player gets a signing bonus but their salary is crap and if they are paid a minimum wage plus OT for everything they do that is baseball related, including time they are traveling, that may end up being too expensive. Since Florida has a lot of minor league teams and Spring Training there is also likely a connection there. Not going to lose a lot of sleep over folks that play pro baseball not making enough money though.

It looks like the Minimum Wage Law was based off a referendum with signatures from constituents that passed in '20 and had nothing to do with DeSantis though I don't see him openly opposing it or endorsing it anywhere. It passed with 60% of the vote and my guess is not many jobs pay $7.25 in FL anyway so it likely has minimal impact but I agree it seems odd. I doubt it is something DeSantis wanted as it runs counter to everything else he has done and would not score him any political points.
1. The article references Newsweek, so it's not a crap article.
2. This modification was not on any referrendum. It was introduced and passed and signed by DeSantis.
3. DeSantis was paid $1mm for this deal to go thru.

Typical insider political deal. No wonder the establishment loves him over Trump.


You're ridiculous, and the article is clearly written from a very liberal point of view. You either chose to ignore that in your desperation to find some dirt on Desantis, or you're more liberal than you pretend and that site (The Street) is right up your alley.

This was absolutely a citizen-initiated measure that was on the ballot, passed by the voters. Go do some reseearch besides that horrible Street article.

Go back to the Trump sites to find more "gotcha" mud to throw against the wall.
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Rapier108 said:

aggie93 said:

This will trigger some Trump folks:


I somewhat disagree with that.

Yes we'd love a Supreme Court made of 9 clones of Clarence Thomas, but so far I've found Gorsuch to be pretty good; same for Barret. Kavanaugh has been the biggest disappointment of the three.

He could have picked a lot worse candidates, but they are no where near Souter level.
I don't think he's saying they are bad. Just that they could be better. Desantis has a legal background too, so he would be far more in-tune on this than Trump. I don't know if Trump had anything to do with selecting any of the justices TBH, aside from listening to Pence or whoever was advising him.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't realize I was responding to a post from 3 days ago that has already been discussed. Need my coffee.
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Zarathustra said:


The best case against Donald Trump is that he's 76 years old.


And also not conservative. And acts like a big roided up baby. And spreads nasty lies about GOP politicians that are far more conservative than him.
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Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

What does DeSantis have against the Border Patrol?

From TheStreet

Now, this article is about DeSantis exempting minor league baseball players. Here is the current law that is in effect for Florida:
Quote:

"The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour," Newsweek reported. "However, in 2020 the state of Florida passed a constitutional amendment that raised the state's minimum wage to $10 an hour and raised the rate by $1 per year until 2026, when the state's minimum wage will reach $15 an hour."
I don't agree with the minimum wage and am rather surprised Florida actually passed something this liberal. However, they talk about the corruption between DeSantis and the MLB lobby firm.
Quote:

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill sought by billionaire owners of Major League Baseball teams that cuts minor league baseball players off from the minimum wage," he tweeted.

"One day after this legislation was filed in Tallahassee, Joe Ricketts, the billionaire founder of TD Ameritrade whose kids own the Chicago Cubs, gave DeSantis a $1 million donation," Garcia wrote in one.

"Major League Baseball hired the lobbying firm owned by one of DeSantis' biggest Florida fundraisers and that now employs DeSantis' former chief of staff," he posted in another.
But, I found this in the article and was wondering WTF?
Quote:

The Florida Senate website explains that SB 892 would exempt border patrol agents and salaried baseball players from the Florida Minimum Wage Act.
Why exempt border patrol agents? I know in 2014 Obama's hate for border patrol was reflected in the federal statute that took away the protection for border patrol agents. However, the Florida Law paid more for minimum wage and did not exempt these agents.

I would think these guys already make more than the minimum wage, so why even bother? Seems like a strange ammendment that really doesn't affect anything. Except, of course, if DeSantis got paid a million for it.
Considering the Border Patrol doesn't work for any state and they make a lot more than minimum wage, maybe, just maybe, this might be a crap article. My guess is on the MLB thing is it probably has to do with practice and overtime. Technically a Low A baseball player gets a signing bonus but their salary is crap and if they are paid a minimum wage plus OT for everything they do that is baseball related, including time they are traveling, that may end up being too expensive. Since Florida has a lot of minor league teams and Spring Training there is also likely a connection there. Not going to lose a lot of sleep over folks that play pro baseball not making enough money though.

It looks like the Minimum Wage Law was based off a referendum with signatures from constituents that passed in '20 and had nothing to do with DeSantis though I don't see him openly opposing it or endorsing it anywhere. It passed with 60% of the vote and my guess is not many jobs pay $7.25 in FL anyway so it likely has minimal impact but I agree it seems odd. I doubt it is something DeSantis wanted as it runs counter to everything else he has done and would not score him any political points.
1. The article references Newsweek, so it's not a crap article.
2. This modification was not on any referrendum. It was introduced and passed and signed by DeSantis.
3. DeSantis was paid $1mm for this deal to go thru.

Typical insider political deal. No wonder the establishment loves him over Trump.




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FL_Ag1998 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

What does DeSantis have against the Border Patrol?

From TheStreet

Now, this article is about DeSantis exempting minor league baseball players. Here is the current law that is in effect for Florida:
Quote:

"The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour," Newsweek reported. "However, in 2020 the state of Florida passed a constitutional amendment that raised the state's minimum wage to $10 an hour and raised the rate by $1 per year until 2026, when the state's minimum wage will reach $15 an hour."
I don't agree with the minimum wage and am rather surprised Florida actually passed something this liberal. However, they talk about the corruption between DeSantis and the MLB lobby firm.
Quote:

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill sought by billionaire owners of Major League Baseball teams that cuts minor league baseball players off from the minimum wage," he tweeted.

"One day after this legislation was filed in Tallahassee, Joe Ricketts, the billionaire founder of TD Ameritrade whose kids own the Chicago Cubs, gave DeSantis a $1 million donation," Garcia wrote in one.

"Major League Baseball hired the lobbying firm owned by one of DeSantis' biggest Florida fundraisers and that now employs DeSantis' former chief of staff," he posted in another.
But, I found this in the article and was wondering WTF?
Quote:

The Florida Senate website explains that SB 892 would exempt border patrol agents and salaried baseball players from the Florida Minimum Wage Act.
Why exempt border patrol agents? I know in 2014 Obama's hate for border patrol was reflected in the federal statute that took away the protection for border patrol agents. However, the Florida Law paid more for minimum wage and did not exempt these agents.

I would think these guys already make more than the minimum wage, so why even bother? Seems like a strange ammendment that really doesn't affect anything. Except, of course, if DeSantis got paid a million for it.
Considering the Border Patrol doesn't work for any state and they make a lot more than minimum wage, maybe, just maybe, this might be a crap article. My guess is on the MLB thing is it probably has to do with practice and overtime. Technically a Low A baseball player gets a signing bonus but their salary is crap and if they are paid a minimum wage plus OT for everything they do that is baseball related, including time they are traveling, that may end up being too expensive. Since Florida has a lot of minor league teams and Spring Training there is also likely a connection there. Not going to lose a lot of sleep over folks that play pro baseball not making enough money though.

It looks like the Minimum Wage Law was based off a referendum with signatures from constituents that passed in '20 and had nothing to do with DeSantis though I don't see him openly opposing it or endorsing it anywhere. It passed with 60% of the vote and my guess is not many jobs pay $7.25 in FL anyway so it likely has minimal impact but I agree it seems odd. I doubt it is something DeSantis wanted as it runs counter to everything else he has done and would not score him any political points.
1. The article references Newsweek, so it's not a crap article.
2. This modification was not on any referrendum. It was introduced and passed and signed by DeSantis.
3. DeSantis was paid $1mm for this deal to go thru.

Typical insider political deal. No wonder the establishment loves him over Trump.


You're ridiculous, and the article is clearly written from a very liberal point of view. You either chose to ignore that in your desperation to find some dirt on Desantis, or you're more liberal than you pretend and that site (The Street) is right up your alley.

This was absolutely a citizen-initiated measure that was on the ballot, passed by the voters. Go do some reseearch besides that horrible Street article.

Go back to the Trump sites to find more "gotcha" mud to throw against the wall.

1. The minimum wage law initially written was citizen initiated. It was passed in Nov 2020.
National Law Review

2. This bill targeting border patrol agents and minor league baseball players was most certainly not. This was lobbied by MLB and DeSantis got a million dollars for it. Voters don't give a **** about if border patrol or minor league baseball players are protected by the bill that was actually approved by the voters.

Florida Courier
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Florida voters in 2020 backed a constitutional amendment that increases the minimum wage $1 a year until reaching $15 on Sept. 30, 2026. The Florida minimum wage is now $11 an hour and will go to $12 on Sept. 30.

So, this bill goes against what the voters actuallly approved.

Go do some research besides your TDS induced Twitter followers.
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So really this exemption is just aligning FL law with Federal Fair Labor Standards Act.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/892/BillText/Filed/PDF
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You know what, I'll give you this one, you're right, the modification wasn't what was passed by voters. I was reading too fast and thought you were referring to the original amendment.

You got me. That mean ol' Desantis is picking on minor league ball players and Border Patrol agents.

Oh, wait...

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Bill sponsor Brad Yeager, R-New Port Richey, reasoned that without the change, teams could limit access to training facilities or pull players from games workplace protections that ensure they don't exceed weekly work-hour limits, according to NPR.

"These players need that visibility. They need that opportunity to play and practice to make it to the next level," Yeager said.

Republican Senator Jonathan Martin, who sponsored the bill, said that minor league players are provided with housing, transportation and breakfast.


Oh, and....

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SB 892's passage means that Florida remains in line with a federal exemption to the minimum wage that was approved by Congress when it renewed the the Fair Labor Standards Act in 2018....

At the time, Major League Baseball (MLB) was granted an exemption from the federal minimum wage when it came to playing minor league players.

The federal act includes several minimum-wage exemptions, such as for baseball players, casual babysitters, some seasonal amusement workers, and border patrol agents.

The act was signed into law by then President Donald Trump, who is currently seen as the frontrunner for the GOP's 2024 presidential nomination and has repeatedly criticized DeSantis.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-signs-bill-to-stop-florida-baseball-players-making-minimum-wage/ar-AA1ctT9K

https://www.tampafp.com/minor-league-baseball-wage-bill-teed-up-florida/

Notice that part about your boy Trump signing the Federal version of this act which includes exemptions for ball players and Border Patrol agents.
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C'mon, give me one more laugh cry emoji for the day. You're daily average is dropping lately.
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Dayyyum... that'll leave a mark.
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Science Denier said:

FL_Ag1998 said:

Science Denier said:

aggie93 said:

Science Denier said:

What does DeSantis have against the Border Patrol?

From TheStreet

Now, this article is about DeSantis exempting minor league baseball players. Here is the current law that is in effect for Florida:
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"The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25 an hour," Newsweek reported. "However, in 2020 the state of Florida passed a constitutional amendment that raised the state's minimum wage to $10 an hour and raised the rate by $1 per year until 2026, when the state's minimum wage will reach $15 an hour."
I don't agree with the minimum wage and am rather surprised Florida actually passed something this liberal. However, they talk about the corruption between DeSantis and the MLB lobby firm.
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"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis just signed a bill sought by billionaire owners of Major League Baseball teams that cuts minor league baseball players off from the minimum wage," he tweeted.

"One day after this legislation was filed in Tallahassee, Joe Ricketts, the billionaire founder of TD Ameritrade whose kids own the Chicago Cubs, gave DeSantis a $1 million donation," Garcia wrote in one.

"Major League Baseball hired the lobbying firm owned by one of DeSantis' biggest Florida fundraisers and that now employs DeSantis' former chief of staff," he posted in another.
But, I found this in the article and was wondering WTF?
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The Florida Senate website explains that SB 892 would exempt border patrol agents and salaried baseball players from the Florida Minimum Wage Act.
Why exempt border patrol agents? I know in 2014 Obama's hate for border patrol was reflected in the federal statute that took away the protection for border patrol agents. However, the Florida Law paid more for minimum wage and did not exempt these agents.

I would think these guys already make more than the minimum wage, so why even bother? Seems like a strange ammendment that really doesn't affect anything. Except, of course, if DeSantis got paid a million for it.
Considering the Border Patrol doesn't work for any state and they make a lot more than minimum wage, maybe, just maybe, this might be a crap article. My guess is on the MLB thing is it probably has to do with practice and overtime. Technically a Low A baseball player gets a signing bonus but their salary is crap and if they are paid a minimum wage plus OT for everything they do that is baseball related, including time they are traveling, that may end up being too expensive. Since Florida has a lot of minor league teams and Spring Training there is also likely a connection there. Not going to lose a lot of sleep over folks that play pro baseball not making enough money though.

It looks like the Minimum Wage Law was based off a referendum with signatures from constituents that passed in '20 and had nothing to do with DeSantis though I don't see him openly opposing it or endorsing it anywhere. It passed with 60% of the vote and my guess is not many jobs pay $7.25 in FL anyway so it likely has minimal impact but I agree it seems odd. I doubt it is something DeSantis wanted as it runs counter to everything else he has done and would not score him any political points.
1. The article references Newsweek, so it's not a crap article.
2. This modification was not on any referrendum. It was introduced and passed and signed by DeSantis.
3. DeSantis was paid $1mm for this deal to go thru.

Typical insider political deal. No wonder the establishment loves him over Trump.


You're ridiculous, and the article is clearly written from a very liberal point of view. You either chose to ignore that in your desperation to find some dirt on Desantis, or you're more liberal than you pretend and that site (The Street) is right up your alley.

This was absolutely a citizen-initiated measure that was on the ballot, passed by the voters. Go do some reseearch besides that horrible Street article.

Go back to the Trump sites to find more "gotcha" mud to throw against the wall.

1. The minimum wage law initially written was citizen initiated. It was passed in Nov 2020.
National Law Review

2. This bill targeting border patrol agents and minor league baseball players was most certainly not. This was lobbied by MLB and DeSantis got a million dollars for it. Voters don't give a **** about if border patrol or minor league baseball players are protected by the bill that was actually approved by the voters.

Florida Courier
Quote:

Florida voters in 2020 backed a constitutional amendment that increases the minimum wage $1 a year until reaching $15 on Sept. 30, 2026. The Florida minimum wage is now $11 an hour and will go to $12 on Sept. 30.

So, this bill goes against what the voters actuallly approved.

Go do some research besides your TDS induced Twitter followers.
So you are opposed to the minimum wage law or not? The law was based off a referendum that was signed petitions that was voted on in 2020 by the electorate, not DeSantis. That was my point as to that. DeSantis got exceptions to the law for MLB and I have no idea what the "Border Patrol" thing is about because it makes no sense as those are Federal Employees so it must be some other "Border Patrol".

I explained why the MLB thing was likely passed and it makes sense. Essentially without it MLB might have to decide if they want to have all of those Spring Training and Minor League Clubs in Florida because of how the original law is written. Minimum wage laws are stupid because of reasons like that, there are other exceptions to them. Now you can say DeSantis did that because a donor who liked him before likes him now and donated money to him I suppose but DeSantis' position didn't change. By that logic any person affiliated with any business that donates any money to any politician that then that politician backs a bill that favors them is then corrupt. That's literally everyone including Trump. The issue is when someone changes a position based around getting money like the Ukraine/Burisma stuff or friends of Trump like Blago that sold Obama's Senate seat after he was elected President. That's actual corruption.

This is basically like saying the Governor of Colorado is corrupt because he gets money from ski resorts and Colorado has laws that provide liability protections for ski resorts.

I mean if you think that it is some scandal that Minor League Baseball players may not be technically paid minimum wage in Florida to stay in compliance with this law I guess that's your opinion though. Minor League Baseball is a tough gig. I am curious what the Border Patrol thing is, that just seems odd. Certainly DeSantis has never hesitated to fund and do anything regarding the border and illegal immigration though.
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